"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Céline RO]

And at the same time the last 10 years we had (2007-20016):

 

- Vegas, Vegas and Vegas and.... That's it ?!

- Same setlist every day, everywhere during 10 years

- An artist being obliged to follow the exact audio track for any live performance

- Bad english albums with no sense, bad production

- Awfull promotion with a high quantity but low quality: poor single choices, no live bands on TV or fake ones...

- A robotic Celine who lost it

 

I regret to sound like I'm blaming René, it's not about that, I have a tremendous respect for him, but what you are all blaming happenned under René and was intored by René.

 

You have the right to feel nostalgic, miss René or think it was better before. But I think you're missing some points or your reasons are the wrong ones.

 

What I see from 20016:

 

- Celine getting back to being a real interpret, willing to sing live and just kill it, taking risk, doing the acrobatic notes like she used to: A world is gonna change, the reason, think twice, the list is even long.

- An increased number of live performances

- The end of vegas

- Someone finally willing to propose new orchestration of her old hits.

- Someone wanting to test, try, explore, which is the definition of an artist

- Someone finally transforming into an artist

- A woman expanding her empire

- And a singer working hard since 3 years on an album

 

But, a woman being less of an housewives, less academic, less conservative and with sometimes crazy outfit. Deal with it !

 

"same setlist every day, everywhere during 10 years"

 

A New Day..., Taking Chances World Tour, Celine 2011-2014 and Celine 2015-2016 had very different setlists. You can't expect her to change her setlist every couple months. It's normal to do a whole tour or residency with an identical show. Remember, it's not the same people attending each show.

 

"a singer working hard since 3 years on an album"

 

If it took her 3 years to do an album she clearly wasn't working hard. When René was in charge they used to do an album in a few months (except for LMBTL but that's a special case).

 

Finally, Céline never sang a song called "A World is Gonna Change".

[AdrienneM]

 

 

"same setlist every day, everywhere during 10 years"

 

A New Day..., Taking Chances World Tour, Celine 2011-2014 and Celine 2015-2016 had very different setlists. You can't expect her to change her setlist every couple months. It's normal to do a whole tour or residency with an identical show. Remember, it's not the same people attending each show.

 

"a singer working hard since 3 years on an album"

 

If it took her 3 years to do an album she clearly wasn't working hard. When René was in charge they used to do an album in a few months (except for LMBTL but that's a special case).

 

Finally, Céline never sang a song called "A World is Gonna Change".

 

If you dont class doing a residency, 3 consecutive summer tours, recording multiple singles, a clothing line, preparing a world tour all whilst recording an album hard work, then i dont know what you’d call hardwork. Shes said she’s recorded what? 48/50 songs? Probably more. Considering a song can take all day or however long you have to record it, thats hard work.

 

Also, a few studio pics from 2016 doesnt mean shes recording the album then... those couldve very easily just been pics from a recording of something like HDAMLF (which we saw in one of the fits she wore recording it was one of her “studio pics”) and she probably also recorded Ashes in late 2017, which was probably where another one of the studio pics came from.. in my mind, this album wasnt in the works until 2017. Considering how busy 2016 was, there was NO WAAAAAAY she began recording an english album then

[Céline RO]

We already have a single.. The problem is.. for us fans.. It's not enough

 

We have

 

-Ashes

-Flying On My Own

-and there's a rumour that a new single will be released this September. We hope that it's true

 

For the album release.. it's always November.. i don't know why.. but yeah! We have to wait that long as always.

 

For the dates for the tour... They will just keep adding.. So, I'm still hoping that she'll visit again in Asia for this tour

 

Yes, it's always November and it would have been okay if it was November 2017, like they initially planned (probably). However, I feel like they wasted 2 years being lazy. In 2017 she could have released the album, ended Vegas and gone on tour. Her kids were already old enough for her to be able to go on a world tour and not need the convenience of Vegas. At her age (at any age really) she can't afford to waste time.

 

She will definitely visit Asia again, probably in Late 2020. I think she said in 2018 (after mentioning that she hadn't toured in Asia for 10 years) that it won't take as long for her to return. 2 years seems just right. I'm also sure she'll visit the Philippines again, the fans there really love her.

[Céline RO]

If you dont class doing a residency, 3 consecutive summer tours, recording multiple singles, a clothing line, preparing a world tour all whilst recording an album hard work, then i dont know what you'd call hardwork. Shes said she's recorded what? 48/50 songs? Probably more. Considering a song can take all day or however long you have to record it, thats hard work.

 

Also, a few studio pics from 2016 doesnt mean shes recording the album then... those couldve very easily just been pics from a recording of something like HDAMLF (which we saw in one of the fits she wore recording it was one of her "studio pics") and she probably also recorded Ashes in late 2017, which was probably where another one of the studio pics came from.. in my mind, this album wasnt in the works until 2017. Considering how busy 2016 was, there was NO WAAAAAAY she began recording an english album then

 

First, they specified "working hard since 3 years ON AN ALBUM" Yes she did a residency, tours and all the other stuff but that doesn't mean working on the album. I never said she didn't work hard. She could have focused more on the album and leave the rest for later (she could have ended Vegas earlier, started the world tour and not do the 2017 and 2018 mini tours at all).

 

I do remember seeing a studio pic of her with Diane Warren from 2016 and I don't think she wrote HDAMLF. In the 2017 pics she was definitely working on the new album as they showed her with Jörgen Elofsson and Stephan Moccio. Moreover, they had already planned the album since 2015 and I don't think they would have waited 2 years to start recording it. It was already supposed to be released in 2017.

 

I'm not saying I don't like where she's at right now, I really do but I'm still frustrated by the fact that she "wasted" 2 years of her career.

[ehild]

 

 

Yes, it's always November and it would have been okay if it was November 2017, like they initially planned (probably). However, I feel like they wasted 2 years being lazy. In 2017 she could have released the album, ended Vegas and gone on tour. Her kids were already old enough for her to be able to go on a world tour and not need the convenience of Vegas. At her age (at any age really) she can't afford to waste any time

 

I think her Vegas contract committed her to 2019 so a 2017 release would have been a waste as she couldn't tour in the states then. She was kinda stuck until her contract was up. And we probably would have only had a song or 2 added in Vegas and not much else.

Edited August 28, 2019 at 03:50 PM by ehild

[Céline RO]

I think her Vegas contract committed her to 2019 so a 2017 release would have been a waste as she couldn't tour in the states then. She was kinda stuck until her contract was up. And we probably would have only had a song or 2 added in Vegas and not much else.

 

Initially her contract wasn't until 2019. I remember reading multiple times that she had extended her contract (probably because she knew the album wouldn't be finished in time).

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Yes, it's always November and it would have been okay if it was November 2017, like they initially planned (probably). However, I feel like they wasted 2 years being lazy. In 2017 she could have released the album, ended Vegas and gone on tour. Her kids were already old enough for her to be able to go on a world tour and not need the convenience of Vegas. At her age (at any age really) she can't afford to waste time.

 

She will definitely visit Asia again, probably in Late 2020. I think she said in 2018 (after mentioning that she hadn't toured in Asia for 10 years) that it won't take as long for her to return. 2 years seems just right. I'm also sure she'll visit the Philippines again, the fans there really love her.

 

Thats not how any of this works...

 

She almost certainly did not even begin the album until 2017 “oH tHerE weRe PiCs In 2016”, they couldve been for anything. There was absolutely never any intention for a 2017 release at any point.. so again, no.

 

She could not have just “ended vegas”. She was in a legally binding, exclusivity contract. She was bound to perform until 2019 as Rene extended the contract back in 2013, she would’ve needed to pay out *at least* the 2 years worth of revenue they wouldve lost, aka, 50 million dollars or more.

 

6 years old to leave them behind and go on tour is a bit extreme and not your place to decide either.

 

There was clearly no planning for a world tour either, the purpose of the summer tours was to revitalise her image and get her back in the public eye and more people watching her, and it worked.

 

Lets not discuss the “at her age...”... shes 51, not 71.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

First, they specified "working hard since 3 years ON AN ALBUM" Yes she did a residency, tours and all the other stuff but that doesn't mean working on the album. I never said she didn't work hard. She could have focused more on the album and leave the rest for later (she could have ended Vegas earlier, started the world tour and not do the 2017 and 2018 mini tours at all).

 

I do remember seeing a studio pic of her with Diane Warren from 2016 and I don't think she wrote HDAMLF. In the 2017 pics she was definitely working on the new album as they showed her with Jörgen Elofsson and Stephan Moccio. Moreover, they had already planned the album since 2015 and I don't think they would have waited 2 years to start recording it. It was already supposed to be released in 2017.

 

I'm not saying I don't like where she's at right now, I really do but I'm still frustrated by the fact that she "wasted" 2 years of her career.

 

there was never ANY announcement or discussion of a 2017 release. At any point. Ever

 

As i said, 2017 she wouldve began the album.

 

She couldnt just quit vegas and the summer tours served a very important purpose (see my other post).

 

Considering how hard she worked and the amount of other commitments she had + unfortunate events, 2 years on an album is not bad.. at all

[homerton]

Celine works very hard. It’s the whole organisation I feel isn’t there. Rene is so missed. What an amazing talent he was. Not only an incredible family man but a true giant in show business world. Celine needs a bit of that I feel.

[Ajax]

"same setlist every day, everywhere during 10 years"

 

A New Day..., Taking Chances World Tour, Celine 2011-2014 and Celine 2015-2016 had very different setlists. You can't expect her to change her setlist every couple months. It's normal to do a whole tour or residency with an identical show. Remember, it's not the same people attending each show.

 

"a singer working hard since 3 years on an album"

 

If it took her 3 years to do an album she clearly wasn't working hard. When René was in charge they used to do an album in a few months (except for LMBTL but that's a special case).

 

Finally, Céline never sang a song called "A World is Gonna Change".

 

You're playing with words.

 

The problem of the same setlist elements: The River Deep combo etc... Which was one of the main decried thing by fans, was established under René during a period of 10 years. Same about her not being allowed to re interpret some of her classics. That's something she is adressing now.

 

A singer working hard since 3 years. Well I imagine she redifined what she wanted and scrapped her first recordings. So she's working, recording, trying things for sure since 3 years. I can understand the complexity of all that taking into account how conservative her recording were. Yes before it was a one week/one month recording, and that was also a disaster for the majority of fans here arguing that we couldn't have the quality with such a short period. That's the first time we have an album in such a complex context, I'm excited about that, not angry.

 

A change is gonna come, sorry for my mistake.

Edited August 28, 2019 at 04:22 PM by Ajax

[Javito]

Okay, another in-studio videoclip... I won't judge the final product before seeing it, but seriously, is Celine allergic to outdoors shootings and real settings or what???

 

- And a singer working hard since 3 years on an album

 

But, a woman being less of an housewives, less academic, less conservative and with sometimes crazy outfit. Deal with it !

 

Working "hard" since 3 years on this album??? Please, don't make us laugh If by working "hard" on this album you mean recording ONE song like every 4-5 months (which is the average of time she's taking with each track that will finally make it on the album), then I rather see her working old school like when she recorded a full studio album in only two weeks and still we got truly GOLD pieces of albums with gem tracks with the greatest quality each

Edited August 28, 2019 at 04:37 PM by Javito

[AdrienneM]

Okay, another in-studio videoclip... I won't judge the final product before seeing it, but seriously, is Celine allergic to outdoors shootings and real settings or what???

 

 

 

Working "hard" since 3 years on this album??? Please, don't make us laugh If by working "hard" on this album you mean recording ONE song like every 4-5 months (which is the average of time she's taking with each track that will finally make it on the album), then I rather see her working old school like when she recorded a full studio album in only two weeks and still we got truly GOLD pieces of albums with gem tracks with the greatest quality each

 

Well i mean, shes said herself she recorded 48 songs or more.. that would work out over the supposed 3 years as 16 songs a year. However, considering 2017 was when recording actually began properly, that would work out as her recording 24 songs a year.. which isnt lazy if you ask me

[Javito]

Well i mean, shes said herself she recorded 48 songs or more.. that would work out over the supposed 3 years as 16 songs a year. However, considering 2017 was when recording actually began properly, that would work out as her recording 24 songs a year.. which isnt lazy if you ask me

 

Yes, I considered that. However, I take everything she says music related with a pinch of salt, and saying she recorded over 50 songs could just mean she has *received* that amount of songs, but not recorded them all lol

 

In any case we'll never know, as all the unreleased material will remain with Sony

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

First, they specified "working hard since 3 years ON AN ALBUM" Yes she did a residency, tours and all the other stuff but that doesn't mean working on the album. I never said she didn't work hard. She could have focused more on the album and leave the rest for later (she could have ended Vegas earlier, started the world tour and not do the 2017 and 2018 mini tours at all).

 

I do remember seeing a studio pic of her with Diane Warren from 2016 and I don't think she wrote HDAMLF. In the 2017 pics she was definitely working on the new album as they showed her with Jörgen Elofsson and Stephan Moccio. Moreover, they had already planned the album since 2015 and I don't think they would have waited 2 years to start recording it. It was already supposed to be released in 2017.

 

I'm not saying I don't like where she's at right now, I really do but I'm still frustrated by the fact that she "wasted" 2 years of her career.

 

It’s not unheard of for an artist to take multiple years to put together an album. This is the first album she has ever done completely without René. I’m sure she wants it to be special.

 

It is just so crazy to me how so many people can just sit on the sidelines and assume that the work in entertainment is just so easy.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Yes, I considered that. However, I take everything she says music related with a pinch of salt, and saying she recorded over 50 songs could just mean she has *received* that amount of songs, but not recorded them all lol

 

In any case we'll never know, as all the unreleased material will remain with Sony

 

I do think she knows the difference between recieved and recorded.

 

But that is true. There will probably be a solid 35 songs out of that 50 we will never hear

[idanwcd]

The first single will surely come out before the 18th september. She will obviously perform it on the world tour so only 2 weeks left the most. Cannot wait !!

[duri]

Really hope there will be at least one music video real music video for new album ... her videography during last 15 years is very poor and its vrry sad ... I dont understand ih when I saw another singers and they have so many music videos and even singers whose are far after Celine in popularity.

[ryba]

Well it wouldn’t be such a big deal if she released a new English album in 2017 before her summer tour with the songs she had back then, and now in 2019 released another English album with new songs for the Courage World Tour. Now she has 48 or 50 songs and half of it will remain unreleased because they don’t need that many for an album.

 

Gosh, I really wonder if there’s no competent person in her „inner circle“ to give her some advice regarding stuff like this. If not, then get someone on board, cause someone competent is urgently needed...

[ryba]

 

 

It’s not unheard of for an artist to take multiple years to put together an album. This is the first album she has ever done completely without René. I’m sure she wants it to be special.

 

It is just so crazy to me how so many people can just sit on the sidelines and assume that the work in entertainment is just so easy.

encore un sour happened without rene too

[Xpresso]

Wow, seriously some people here telling Celine how fast she should be working and recording!!?? Take a seat would you??

She's taking the time she needs. If she needs another year, well be it. It's not like when she was the top female artist who HAD to pop those albums out every year to take advantage of her status before it was too late.

She wants to get it right and that's good news to my ears.

[Javito]

It is just so crazy to me how so many people can just sit on the sidelines and assume that the work in entertainment is just so easy.

 

Yes, yes it is when you're called "Celine Dion" . First of all because she doesn't write her own material, as she well acknowledges, and second because she has one of the most privileged situations in the recording industry where she has only to enter the recording studio and sing the song and bye. That's unthinkable in 99% of other singers out there.

 

Not to mention 99% of those regular artists out there can't allow themselves the privilege of letting 6 years pass without releasing any new music to their public, because not even within 2 years they will automatically fall into oblivion if they don't release music regularly to their fans.

 

So yes, it's just "easy" for her, considering all the incredible list of advantages and conveniences she has and the people working for her.

 

Well it wouldn’t be such a big deal if she released a new English album in 2017 before her summer tour with the songs she had back then, and now in 2019 released another English album with new songs for the Courage World Tour. Now she has 48 or 50 songs and half of it will remain unreleased because they don’t need that many for an album.

 

Gosh, I really wonder if there’s no competent person in her „inner circle“ to give her some advice regarding stuff like this. If not, then get someone on board, cause someone competent is urgently needed...

 

And some of them will already be "old" when they are released. Let's pray they don't sound also old when they see the light of day!...

Edited August 28, 2019 at 05:17 PM by Javito

[Javito]

Wow, seriously some people here telling Celine how fast she should be working and recording!!?? Take a seat would you??

She's taking the time she needs. If she needs another year, well be it. It's not like when she was the top female artist who HAD to pop those albums out every year to take advantage of her status before it was too late.

She wants to get it right and that's good news to my ears.

 

You're just very easy to please. Good news for you is just someone saying in Twitter that Celine is today in her pajamas sunbathing in her backyard at home. But let other fans just wish, ask, have expectations and envisage how they'd like things to be, will you?

Edited August 28, 2019 at 05:20 PM by Javito

[Nmj]

 

 

Yes, yes it is when you're called "Celine Dion" . First of all because she doesn't write her own material, as she well acknowledges, and second because she has one of he most privileged situations in the recording industry where she has only to enter the recording studio and sing the song and bye. That's unthinkable in 99% of other singers out there.

 

Not to mention 99% of those regular artists out there can't allow themselves the privilege of letting 6 years pass without releasing any new music to their public, because not even within 2 years they will automatically fall into oblivion if they don't release music regularly to their fans.

 

So yes, it's just "easy" for her, considering all the incredible list of advantages and conveniences she has and the people working for her.

 

 

 

And some of them will already be "old" when they are released. Let's pray they don't sound also old when they see the light of day!...

 

Recording a album every 6 years she would’ve fell into oblivion had it NOT been for Vegas.

So, Vegas May be the reason she doesn’t record as often anymore BUT it’s possible she never did Vegas and still took 6 years in between albums and her stature would be very small to what it currently is.

[CelinesDIVO5]

encore un sour happened without rene too

 

Not all of it. She began recording it in 2015. She for sure asked for his input. He may not have been a huge force in production, but he was still there.

[mirage]

She was already working on the English album in 2016.

She even said it herself a few times in interviews.

When she gave us 'Winter Song' she said she was working on her next English album.

 

And 2017 was definitely in the books for an English release.

 

But after Aldo quit his job everything changed.

 

And you all saying how good it was when René was there because then the album would have been released already. May I help you remind that last 1/2 albums under his wings weren't that aaamaaazing.

 

So maybe this time Céline her own creativity can surprise us.

 

 

 

there was never ANY announcement or discussion of a 2017 release. At any point. Ever

 

As i said, 2017 she wouldve began the album.

 

She couldnt just quit vegas and the summer tours served a very important purpose (see my other post).

 

Considering how hard she worked and the amount of other commitments she had + unfortunate events, 2 years on an album is not bad.. at all

[CelinesDIVO5]

I don’t care what anyone says. As someone who has done a lot of studio work, be it as a back up vocalist, a guest vocalist or a lead vocalist; and also as someone who doesn’t write their own material, recording is not easy. At all. It’s not just 1 2 3 and a song is done. Absolutely not how it works.

[Ajax]

encore un sour happened without rene too

 

No, he was sick, very sick, but he was there for the whole process/preparation/first discussions and heard almost the finished product.

 

Ho OK and you wished her team would have forced her to launch a new album even if that's not exactly what the artist wants to present, or is not satisfied ? Because we have to feed Javito and Ryba every 2 years maximum ? That's a weird way of thinking.

 

Working "hard" since 3 years on this album??? Please, don't make us laugh If by working "hard" on this album you mean recording ONE song like every 4-5 months (which is the average of time she's taking with each track that will finally make it on the album), then I rather see her working old school like when she recorded a full studio album in only two weeks and still we got truly GOLD pieces of albums with gem tracks with the greatest quality each

 

I know that if we are speaking about 50 songs, it's maybe 50 work days in about 3 years. But that's not how it works in a creation process and I don't think this way. So I'll stick to my words.

She certainly had one album ready by the end of 2017, I'm happy and even reassured that finally Céline can take this kind of decision to scrap a first project that doesn't reach exactly what she wants or if she feels that she needs more time. In my mind, it demonstrates courage and creativity. I'm happy to finally see Céline this way: in control, and determinate, while seeing a muppet that had to record everything in one week. With all I said that's also why I'm so excited with this new Céline: I feel motivation, ideas, creativity. You think it's a mess and she's lasy, I finally feel creativity. I never felt that in 20 years about her, almost never. She is also certainly approached by a bunch of new writters, testing so different things, which make the choice and the process even more difficult, a choice she has to take by herself for the first time, being totally aware of themusical image she built and how cautious she must be. God this is complex and exciting.

 

That being said, it doesn't insure a good result at all, but I find all the logical, and that leaves me f****** excited.

[Nmj]

I don’t care what anyone says. As someone who has done a lot of studio work, be it as a back up vocalist, a guest vocalist or a lead vocalist; and also as someone who doesn’t write their own material, recording is not easy. At all. It’s not just 1 2 3 and a song is done. Absolutely not how it works.

 

Definitely not easy at all to record, however, for someone who has been in the studio for 35 years or more, a seasoned pro like Celine it’s not that hard for her; Also not to mention all the a-list professionals she has in the studio with her.

 

However if the album comes out and it’s GREAT than it will be worth the wait, if it comes out and is anything like LMBTL than it’ll be the huge waste of 6 years imo.

Edited August 28, 2019 at 05:31 PM by Nmj

[Javito]

I don't care what anyone says. As someone who has done a lot of studio work, be it as a back up vocalist, a guest vocalist or a lead vocalist; and also as someone who doesn't write their own material, recording is not easy. At all. It's not just 1 2 3 and a song is done. Absolutely not how it works.

 

Omg wow. That was just such a childish answer right? Well, even if you don't care what anyone says ( ), may I remind here (and this is not just addressed directly to your post) that Jean-Jacques Goldman was approached by René to write the full D'eux album, and then do the recording sessions with only 2-3 weeks time??? JJG had a lot of pressure to complete the recording sessions for the songs in the studio because they told him "that's how Celine works" and the scarce time she had to dedicate for the recording in the studio. And still, they delivered the best selling French album in music history

 

Isn't just how it's done? Well, it's precisely how it's done for Celine Dion I repeat, who has a natural easiness for recording songs in the studio like she breathes! That's known for every sound engineer and music producer she has ever worked with in the studio, I'm not reinventing the wheel here!

Edited August 28, 2019 at 05:31 PM by Javito

[AdrienneM]

Well it wouldn’t be such a big deal if she released a new English album in 2017 before her summer tour with the songs she had back then, and now in 2019 released another English album with new songs for the Courage World Tour. Now she has 48 or 50 songs and half of it will remain unreleased because they don’t need that many for an album.

 

Gosh, I really wonder if there’s no competent person in her „inner circle“ to give her some advice regarding stuff like this. If not, then get someone on board, cause someone competent is urgently needed...

 

She couldnt have released an album in 2017 before the tour because even if we take pics for granted, she had barely even started an album recording process. That and, she wouldve done a european tour and then back to vegas and you all would’ve complained it wasnt enough or didnt et enough promo... so lets not