"Courage" album - Official Topic

[AdrienneM]

Wow... this is how far people are now willing to go to move physical copies?

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Trust me, Taylor would sell even without the deluxes and the promoted physical sales. Her Reputation album in 2017 debuted in the US with 1 million copies in pure sales... for nowadays thats INSANE. You see people debut with 1 million sps, but the pure sales is like 50,000, its all streaming. Its kind of comforting to realsie physical sales arent ALL gone yrt

[minolli]

Wow... this is how far people are now willing to go to move physical copies?

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Having observed her last 3 album cycles pretty closely, it seems to me that Taylor is obsessed with breaking 1M in first week sales. Her most devoted fans feel obligated to buy all 4 versions of the deluxe edition (which, btw, doesn't include any extra songs, just her journal entries), not only because of the fear of missing out on the exclusive content, but also because they will go to great lengths to support everything she releases. Fans even went so far as to get Target to confirm that buying the 4 deluxe editions in one transaction would count as 4 separate sales so they could ensure she wouldn't be "cheated" of any sales. She's also included a digital album download with nearly every single merchandise purchase since she released the first single back in April, and has released various collections of limited edition merch that were only available for 24 hours each, fueling more album sales, again, through the concept of exclusivity. She's an extreme example because she seems pretty motivated by chart positions and breaking records, but it does go to show how tough it is to actually sell albums nowadays. Say what you will about Taylor (personally, I have mixed feelings, but do find her to be a gifted songwriter) she and her team know what they're doing when it comes to marketing, and she is brilliant at getting fans emotionally invested in making her successful.

Edited August 31, 2019 at 10:35 PM by minolli

[mirage]

And yet Céline is selling easy without moving a finger.

Imagine if her fanbase was this young and big as with Taylor's.

 

 

 

Having observed her last 3 album cycles pretty closely, it seems to me that Taylor is obsessed with breaking 1M in first week sales. Her most devoted fans feel obligated to buy all 4 versions of the deluxe edition (which, btw, doesn't include any extra songs, just her journal entries), not only because of the fear of missing out on the exclusive content, but also because they will go to great lengths to support everything she releases. Fans even went so far as to get Target to confirm that buying the 4 deluxe editions in one transaction would count as 4 separate sales so they could ensure she wouldn't be "cheated" of any sales. She's also included a digital album download with nearly every single merchandise purchase since she released the first single back in April, and has released various collections of limited edition merch that were only available for 24 hours each, fueling more album sales, again, through the concept of exclusivity. She's an extreme example because she seems pretty motivated by chart positions and breaking records, but it does go to show how tough it is to actually sell albums nowadays. Say what you will about Taylor (personally, I have mixed feelings, but do find her to be a gifted songwriter) she and her team know what they're doing when it comes to marketing, and she is brilliant at getting fans emotionally invested in making her successful.

[AdrienneM]

And yet Céline is selling easy without moving a finger.

Imagine if her fanbase was this young and big as with Taylor's.

 

Albums? Not at that magnitude, not anymore

[Nando Férri]

“Heart Of Glass”, a new song composed by Sia produced by the same guy of Chandelier.

[jpatdeleon09]

Kurstin G? I know I saw that name before in one of Céline's song..

[sarit_celine]

Madonna and Bruce Springsteen sold ridiculously amount of albums during the first week

and shorty after falled from Billboard Top 200. Situation is not different for other veteran artists.

 

Knowing how her label is, unless the album will be "out of this world"

I'm not sure Celine new album will be an exception.

[giannislyber]

Kurstin G? I know I saw that name before in one of Céline's song..

 

I think he was credited as a co-writer of "Baby" along with Sia.

[mirage]

I was replying to a post about what Taylor is doing to gain more sales.

And still in comparison to that, Céline sells very easy.

 

Now if she was that creative to release worthy editions, and her fans were that active and young on social media, streaming platforms etc she would definitely have bigger sales numbers.

But compared to many she is an easy seller.

 

 

 

 

Albums? Not at that magnitude, not anymore

[ryba]

Kurstin G? I know I saw that name before in one of Céline's song..

when I saw this I thought of Kristian Lundin, but that’s someone different

[Bruno Portugal]

when I saw this I thought of Kristian Lundin, but that’s someone different

 

Greg Kurstin co-wrote "Hello" with Adele and produced several Sia songs like "Chandelier".

It's September!!!

 

Edited September 1, 2019 at 11:48 AM by Bruno Portugal

[zuv]

She’s not going to release it till after Quebec and Montreal, I’m pretty sure.... People are gonna hear her 90’s biggest hits like usual mixed with few unknown songs from Courage. Just like last time in 2016. I hated that. I wanna know the songs before i see someone in concert.

 

Glad i didn’t buy tickets.

[fred]

Sounds promising!! New producers her way pleasee (new for her)!!

 

"Heart Of Glass", a new song composed by Sia produced by the same guy of Chandelier.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I’m definitely starting to get impatient/excited for the new album. Now that it’s September we’ve only got a little over 2 months to go! Am seeing the tour twice - once in Cincinnati before the album is released and then again in NYC after the album is released. I’m wondering how the shows will differ. Normally, she has more songs at the beginning of the tour and then cuts some but since the album isn’t out until November, I wonder if it will be the other way around for this tour.

 

I’m starting to wish we were getting more news...number of tracks, some more names of songs...a new single...anything to whet my appetite!

[fred]

Sounds even more promising!!!!

 

Now hoping for that there are more than one or two well crafted tracks on this album. No "maxi single feeling" a la LMBTL please!!

 

Greg Kurstin co-wrote "Hello" with Adele and produced several Sia songs like "Chandelier".

It's September!!!

 

[Nando Férri]

Sounds even more promising!!!!

 

Now hoping for that there are more than one or two well crafted tracks on this album. No "maxi single feeling" a la LMBTL please!!

The problem is the she uses to work with new producers/composers to do the same thing as always for her. Guetta’s Song is a ballad, Skies Of LA is from Umbrella’s Team... I really hope this will bring new sounds to her.

[fred]

I have nothing against Skies of LA. It's not a hit but it's a nice ending to an abum. And it's sound is very nice and quite new for her. The Guetta track (from what we've heard) i could do without.

 

The problem is the she uses to work with new producers/composers to do the same thing as always for her. Guetta's Song is a ballad, Skies Of LA is from Umbrella's Team... I really hope this will bring new sounds to her.

[ryba]

I was expecting much more from the Guetta track... That's the problem: cool writers send her songs written especially for her and that is usually the uncool stuff

[sarit_celine]

I hope there won't be two songs by Sia

on the album, since to me, her songs all sound the same.

Hoping for songs that will have the "wow" effect, memorable, Celine seems to lack songs that are

memorable Just ask no fans of her, what songs they remember from her, it won't be from recent years.

 

I think I'm one of the fews that think OH was her last great album, very solid, and her singing there is gold.

[mb011]

I cant recall any memorable song from OH. I never listen to any of the songs from that album. And I have at least one favorite on any album. Even from Miracle. OH for me is just an album full of leftovers from ANDHC.

[AdrienneM]

Thats exactly what OH is;

 

A non-coherent group of left over songs of all different genres that dont go together and for some reason is worshipped, imo, because its ANDHCs leftovers

Edited September 1, 2019 at 03:53 PM by AdrienneM

[fred]

Maybe they're nostalgic about OH since it marks the end of Céline's musical high? IDAN was ok, but she hasn't managed to make one English track worthy to challange the chart postitions since (Ashes was a nice one, but wouldn't had gone far without Ryan Renolds). Of course we as fans love many of her songs but we are bias.

 

Thats exactly what OH is;

 

A non-coherent group of left over songs of all different genres that dont go together and for some reason is worshipped, imo, because its ANDHCs leftovers

[Bóól'át'í]

yes, but it’s definitely worth trying since she attracted many new young fans in the last few years. Also, these days even older people become more and more involved in social media etc.

 

I think it’s a huge mistake to put too much faith on her newfound “young fans” from recent years. The younger fans are too fickle. They may claim they like Celine but they won’t invest in her - in time and money - so their contribution to her continued success will be extremely limited. Sad fact.

[Bruno Portugal]

 

 

I think it’s a huge mistake to put too much faith on her newfound “young fans” from recent years. The younger fans are too fickle. They may claim they like Celine but they won’t invest in her - in time and money - so their contribution to her continued success will be extremely limited. Sad fact.

 

True! The new and younger fans don't even follow her Instagram.

I just hope we'll get an amazing album, full of brand-new songs (no covers), 3 or 4 singles and music videos and promotion. Also the tour must promote the new album. No more greatest hits tour, please.

Let the Dionaissance begin!

[AdrienneM]

Maybe they're nostalgic about OH since it marks the end of Céline's musical high? IDAN was ok, but she hasn't managed to make one English track worthy to challange the chart postitions since (Ashes was a nice one, but wouldn't had gone far without Ryan Renolds). Of course we as fans love many of her songs but we are bias.

 

Chart positions have nothing to do with song quality. Quite a few songs she’s released post IDAN have been better and yet havent had chart impact. Thats the case for all singers, their best material is often their least successful.

 

And OH... a musical high? Id disagree. Both ANDHC and OH lacked the impact and success of any of their predecessors imo.

 

The thing with her break was, either, take the time off for you and live your life and be happy, but come back to less fame and eventually sharply decline. Or, stay releasing, have a few more years of peak fame and then eventually decline in a few years. Either way, in terms of charts and success, its a lose lose.

 

 

I also dont get how Ashes is only banked on Ryan. Thats like saying MHWGO was only successful because of titanic, yet more people know MHWGO than have seen or know about Titanic. Ashes was a great song and the dance remix hitting #1 proved that. The only issue was her lack of promotion due to being in recovery and releasing it slightly too early

[AdrienneM]

 

 

True! The new and younger fans don't even follow her Instagram.

I just hope we'll get an amazing album, full of brand-new songs (no covers), 3 or 4 singles and music videos and promotion. Also the tour must promote the new album. No more greatest hits tour, please.

Let the Dionaissance begin!

 

Her Instagram has gained a couple hundred thousand follows in recent times, so id say that is debatable. But for the rest i agree

[CelinesDIVO5]

I was expecting much more from the Guetta track... That's the problem: cool writers send her songs written especially for her and that is usually the uncool stuff

 

If it has a sound similar to “Flames” which he produced for Sia, I’ll be happy.

[sarit_celine]

I cant recall any memorable song from OH. I never listen to any of the songs from that album. And I have at least one favorite on any album. Even from Miracle. OH for me is just an album full of leftovers from ANDHC.

 

Well OH It's her only album I won't skip songs, and about being unmemorable as well, yep that's a long lasting problem:)

[sarit_celine]

Thats exactly what OH is;

 

A non-coherent group of left over songs of all different genres that dont go together and for some reason is worshipped, imo, because its ANDHCs leftovers

 

Give me more leftovers like OH has and I will be happy:)

[sarit_celine]

I think it's a huge mistake to put too much faith on her newfound "young fans" from recent years. The younger fans are too fickle. They may claim they like Celine but they won't invest in her - in time and money - so their contribution to her continued success will be extremely limited. Sad fact.

 

Agreed. That's why it's a mistake as well to record songs by Sia, for example, thinking this will attract the "young" fans.

Actually that's the same mistakes Madonna does, producing songs that might fit to more young public

but her last albums flufed badly on charts, not to say, she is having hard time to sell tickets for shows.