"Courage" album - Official Topic

[alexceline]

Or Céline just genuinely likes Sia and her art and enjoys the collaborations with her.

[Javito]

I cant recall any memorable song from OH. I never listen to any of the songs from that album. And I have at least one favorite on any album. Even from Miracle. OH for me is just an album full of leftovers from ANDHC.

 

Huh? If you never got the chills with powerhouse ballads like Je t'aime encore and I Know What Love Is, included in this album, I don't know what type of song gets to you And the more radio friendly songs like Faith, Reveal and Naked are some of her best pop songs here imo.

 

Wish we had another "unmemorable" album full of songs like those in One Heart, I could live with this album forever and ever before any other fiasco wannabe album like LMBTL or halfway album like Taking Chances

 

And OH... a musical high? Id disagree. Both ANDHC and OH lacked the impact and success of any of their predecessors imo.

 

lol With ANDHC she conquered a public and countries she neved had been before, other than with MHWGO

 

I'm always saddened to see the great misperception that you fans in the US have with her success there and think that same exact success was replicated at the same time in Europe, because you couldn't be more wrong. That success is very different depending on some albums (and it didn't replicate immediately with albums but only with certain and very specific singles like MHWGO or TTWII).

 

You were accostumed to see Celine's name in big letters everywhere with FIY and LTAL in the US at the time of their promotion, but that splendour and golden promo days she lived in the US were not as huge and same in Europe (but for the Titanic song again), and with albums like ANDHC she certainly lived an impact she never saw in Europe with the life of FIY or LTAL albums (and only because of that "Titanic song" the Celine hype in the US was echoed in Europe and everywhere. All the TV shows she visited with this album, and all the radio stations she was played with its singles, it was unthinkable with her previous albums. With the ANDHC album and it's HUGE promotion in Europe, Celine had a life of her own in Europe that before this album and TTWII was far from real here still

 

The truth is that the ANDHC album opened Celine the doors to a new young generation of fans and she never lived that with FIY or LTAL until TTWII arrived, and again, with the sole exception of MHWGO which was a song in everyone's ears, both young and old because of the planetary success of the movie.

 

Sadly, those doors were closed with a slam a year later in 2003, but the time she promoted this album, Celine ceased to be just "the singer of Titanic" and a name mainly associated with Titanic for a whole generation of teenagers and youngsters to be a pop singer that proved she could reach all audiences too with her voice, with a couple of singles being played everywhere on radios and clubs. She never got that in Europe before ANDHC!

Edited September 1, 2019 at 05:14 PM by Javito

[sarit_celine]

 

Wish we had another "unmemorable" album full of songs like those in One Heart, I could live with this album forever and ever before any other fiasco wannabe album like LMBTL or halfway album like Taking Chances

 

 

 

lol With ANDHC she conquered a public and countries she neved had been before, other than with MHWGO

 

I'm always saddened to see the great misperception that you fans in the US have with her success there and think that same exact success was replicated at the same time in Europe, because you couldn't be more wrong. That success is very different depending on some albums (and it didn't replicate immediately with albums but only with certain and very specific singles like MHWGO or TTWII).

 

You were accostumed to see Celine's name in big letters everywhere with FIY and LTAL in the US at the time of their promotion, but that splendour and golden promo days she lived in the US were not as huge and same in Europe (but for the Titanic song again), and with albums like ANDHC she certainly lived an impact she never saw in Europe with the life of FIY or LTAL albums (and only because of that "Titanic song" the Celine hype in the US was echoed in Europe and everywhere. But with the ANDHC album and it's HUGE promotion in Europe, Celine had a life on her own in Europe that before this album and TTWII was far from real here still

 

The truth is that the ANDHC album opened Celine the doors to a new young generation of fans and she never lived that with FIY or LTAL until TTWII arrived, and again, with the sole exception of MHWGO which was a song in everyone's ears, both young and old because of the planetary success of the movie.

 

Sadly, those doors were closed with a slam a year later in 2003, but the time she promoted this album, Celine ceased to be just "the singer of Titanic" and a name mainly associated with Titanic for a whole generation of teenagers and youngsters to be a pop singer that proved she could reach all audiences too with her voice, with a couple of singles being played everywhere on radios and clubs. She never got that before ANDHC!

 

Couldn't say it better!

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Huh? If you never got the chills with powerhouse ballads like Je t'aime encore and I Know What Love Is, included in this album, I don't know what type of song gets to you And the more radio friendly songs like Faith, Reveal and Naked are some of her best pop songs here imo.

 

Wish we had another "unmemorable" album full of songs like those in One Heart, I could live with this album forever and ever before any other fiasco wannabe album like LMBTL or halfway album like Taking Chances

 

 

 

lol With ANDHC she conquered a public and countries she neved had been before, other than with MHWGO

 

I'm always saddened to see the great misperception that you fans in the US have with her success there and think that same exact success was replicated at the same time in Europe, because you couldn't be more wrong. That success is very different depending on some albums (and it didn't replicate immediately with albums but only with certain and very specific singles like MHWGO or TTWII).

 

You were accostumed to see Celine's name in big letters everywhere with FIY and LTAL in the US at the time of their promotion, but that splendour and golden promo days she lived in the US were not as huge and same in Europe (but for the Titanic song again), and with albums like ANDHC she certainly lived an impact she never saw in Europe with the life of FIY or LTAL albums (and only because of that "Titanic song" the Celine hype in the US was echoed in Europe and everywhere. But with the ANDHC album and it's HUGE promotion in Europe, Celine had a life on her own in Europe that before this album and TTWII was far from real here still

 

And yet ANDHC was only successful in that regard in europe. It had limited success in every other market. At least you could say for any 90s album (except LTAL)she had success in EVERY territory, not just one like she did for LTAL (had it not been for MHWGO, LTAL wouldnt have had such an impact) or ANDHC.

 

I seem to recall however that for all you saying FIY didnt replicate its US success in Europe, its her biggest selling album in all of Europe and it was Europe where she hosted her stadium shows, infact, every single from FIY was a top 10 hit in the UK, France, Germany and Spain.

 

Infact, FIY is arguably her most successful album ever because it had huge success in every.single.territory, Europe not excluded. I think y’all forget that FIY spawned Because You Loved Me, Its All Coming Back To Me Now, All By Myself and even the title track, all of which were huge hits globally.

 

I dont know why its being portrayed as if ANDHC was this MAMMOTH success in Europe that she had never seen before when she had infact with both TCOML and FIY

[Javito]

 

 

And yet ANDHC was only successful in that regard in europe. It had limited success in every other market. At least you could say for any 90s album (except LTAL)she had success in EVERY territory, not just one like she did for LTAL (had it not been for MHWGO, LTAL wouldnt have had such an impact) or ANDHC.

 

I seem to recall however that for all you saying FIY didnt replicate its US success in Europe, its her biggest selling album in all of Europe and it was Europe where she hosted her stadium shows, infact, every single from FIY was a top 10 hit in the UK, France, Germany and Spain.

 

Infact, FIY is arguably her most successful album ever because it had huge success in every.single.territory, Europe not excluded. I think y’all forget that FIY spawned Because You Loved Me, Its All Coming Back To Me Now, All By Myself and even the title track, all of which were huge hits globally.

 

I dont know why its being portrayed as if ANDHC was this MAMMOTH success in Europe that she had never seen before when she had infact with both TCOML and FIY

 

I say it again: all the TV shows she did with this album, and all the radio stations she was played with its singles allowed her to reach audiences she didn’t have before. That never happened before with any other album and the scope she has with ANDHC in radios, music shows and magazines in Europe before.

[Bruno Portugal]

 

 

Her Instagram has gained a couple hundred thousand follows in recent times, so id say that is debatable. But for the rest i agree

 

Julia Roberts created her Instagram only one year ago and she has already more than 6.6 million followers.

 

Admittedly, the number of Celine followers has increased, but IMO 3.5 million is a small number for the highlight Celine has had in the press for the past three years. Madonna and Mariah have many more followers than Celine on Instagram.

 

I think her team should do more posts, short videos and photos creating some buzz about the new album, for example.

 

[Nmj]

Thats exactly what OH is;

 

A non-coherent group of left over songs of all different genres that dont go together and for some reason is worshipped, imo, because its ANDHCs leftovers

 

If that album is simply a group of “leftovers” than it seems those leftovers are better than every single album released since that album... “One Heart” is FAR superior to “Miracle”, “Taking Chances” & “Loved Me Back To Life”.

[Nmj]

 

 

Julia Roberts created her Instagram only one year ago and she has already more than 6.6 million followers.

 

Admittedly, the number of Celine followers has increased, but IMO 3.5 million is a small number for the highlight Celine has had in the press for the past three years. Madonna and Mariah have many more followers than Celine on Instagram.

 

I think her team should do more posts, short videos and photos creating some buzz about the new album, for example.

 

 

People would rather follow Mariah or Madonna on Instagram because at least they update their own posts, unlike that joke of her “inner circle” team, who mostly haven’t the slightest clue on how to run the page.

[Bruno Portugal]

 

 

I say it again: all the TV shows she did with this album, and all the radio stations she was played with its singles allowed her to reach audiences she didn’t have before. That never happened before with any other album and the scope she has with ANDHC in radios, music shows and magazines in Europe before.

 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Celine became a star in Europe with TCOML. With FIY she became the biggest singer in the world. LTAL turned Celine into a diva, it was massive and overexposed her.

ANDHC is a great album but had a moderate sucess when compared to the previous ones.

 

[comingback]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Celine became a star in Europe with TCOML. With FIY she became the biggest singer in the world. LTAL turned Celine into a diva, it was massive and overexposed her.

ANDHC is a great album but had a moderate sucess when compared to the previous ones.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ2EsC9_20w

 

Yep, she became a big star in Europe with TT/TCOML, PQTMAE/D'eux. The big Celinemania-era (1995-1999) began at that time.

And I would always take OH over ANDHC, TC and LMBTL.

Edited September 1, 2019 at 05:57 PM by comingback

[couldawouldashoulda]

Saying anything derogatory about either ANDHC or OH is to Javito what saying Celine and Pepe are in a romantic relationship is to Tricey. You’re dropping a huge bomb - don’t be surprised when it goes off.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

If that album is simply a group of “leftovers” than it seems those leftovers are better than every single album released since that album... “One Heart” is FAR superior to “Miracle”, “Taking Chances” & “Loved Me Back To Life”.

 

Taking Chances at least has cohesion and hasnt aged much. OH on the other hand....

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Julia Roberts created her Instagram only one year ago and she has already more than 6.6 million followers.

 

Admittedly, the number of Celine followers has increased, but IMO 3.5 million is a small number for the highlight Celine has had in the press for the past three years. Madonna and Mariah have many more followers than Celine on Instagram.

 

I think her team should do more posts, short videos and photos creating some buzz about the new album, for example.

 

 

Celine created her social medias relatively late on, late 2015 i believe. But if im correct, as this page shows, shes growing daily: https://socialblade.com/instagram/user/celine%20dion

[todos]

 

 

every single from FIY was a top 10 hit in the .....Germany...

 

 

No, FYI, BYLM, IACBTMN and CTM were not top 10 hits in Germany. Out of these 4 BYLM as the most successful and peaked on position 11 if I remember correctly. FYI and CTM peaked somewhere between 50 and 90.

Edited September 1, 2019 at 06:10 PM by todos

[Nmj]

 

 

Taking Chances at least has cohesion and hasnt aged much. OH on the other hand....

 

Really because “Stand By Your Side” or “Reveal” is much more current in 2019 than “Right Next To The Right One”; hell probably more current than “Flying On My Own”.

Edited September 1, 2019 at 06:01 PM by Nmj

[Javito]

 

 

And yet ANDHC was only successful in that regard in europe. It had limited success in every other market. At least you could say for any 90s album (except LTAL)she had success in EVERY territory, not just one like she did for LTAL (had it not been for MHWGO, LTAL wouldnt have had such an impact) or ANDHC.

 

I seem to recall however that for all you saying FIY didnt replicate its US success in Europe, its her biggest selling album in all of Europe and it was Europe where she hosted her stadium shows, infact, every single from FIY was a top 10 hit in the UK, France, Germany and Spain.

 

Infact, FIY is arguably her most successful album ever because it had huge success in every.single.territory, Europe not excluded. I think y’all forget that FIY spawned Because You Loved Me, Its All Coming Back To Me Now, All By Myself and even the title track, all of which were huge hits globally.

 

I dont know why its being portrayed as if ANDHC was this MAMMOTH success in Europe that she had never seen before when she had infact with both TCOML and FIY

 

 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Celine became a star in Europe with TCOML. With FIY she became the biggest singer in the world. LTAL turned Celine into a diva, it was massive and overexposed her.

ANDHC is a great album but had a moderate sucess when compared to the previous ones.

 

 

I didn’t say nor deny that, we are not talking whether she became a star in Europe or not and when; I specifically replied to a post saying “the ANDHC album had no impact in Europe” and I came to say this album brought Celine to a whole new public of young people and a generation of listeners in radios that she never reached with her previous albums. That’s something to acknowledge and give credit to this album thanks to the singles ANDHC and IA. She visited many countries and TV shows that were unthinkable she could do with singles like The Reason or heavy ballads like BYLM.

 

But of course, Celine was already stablished and a star in Europe well before 2002 with FIY

[todos]

I exited to learn if courage will br more ANDHC or OH or LMBTL....

 

Hope it be more in the vain of OH than TC or LMBTL.

 

In the best case it will be her FIY of her late career.

[Javito]

I seem to recall however that for all you saying FIY didnt replicate its US success in Europe, its her biggest selling album in all of Europe and it was Europe where she hosted her stadium shows, infact, every single from FIY was a top 10 hit in the UK, France, Germany and Spain.

 

That’s not true Especially for Spain (Germany was already denied by another member)

Edited September 1, 2019 at 06:22 PM by Javito

[Céline RO]

I hope there won't be two songs by Sia

on the album, since to me, her songs all sound the same.

Hoping for songs that will have the "wow" effect, memorable, Celine seems to lack songs that are

memorable Just ask no fans of her, what songs they remember from her, it won't be from recent years.

 

I think I'm one of the fews that think OH was her last great album, very solid, and her singing there is gold.

 

There may even be three songs from Sia. In 2017 Céline said in a Lorraine interview that Sia wrote three songs for her. Those three are probably: “Baby”, “Lying Down” and “Heart of Glass”. All of them were registered by the way.

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

Celine created her social medias relatively late on, late 2015 i believe. But if im correct, as this page shows, shes growing daily: https://socialblade.com/instagram/user/celine%20dion

 

It's still a very slow growth. The fact is her social media posts just aren't made as often or as diverse as they could be. It's all too formal/"scripted" imo, she needs someone with a better grasp on social media to handle her accounts.

 

Maybe they'll get better at it while on tour. It's gonna be 1+ years on the road, lots of good content to come hopefully.

[alexceline]

 

 

It's all too formal/"scripted" imo, she needs someone with a better grasp on social media to handle her accounts.

 

Completely agree. Something I did happen to notice though, I haven't counted exactly but since January 2019 Celine has gained more followers than Mariah for example(comparing with her because that's the one I noticed). Her followers increase the most during the fashion weeks.

 

For the January fashion week she gained about 60k followers during those 4/5 days

[scielle]

Celine created her social medias relatively late on, late 2015 i believe. But if im correct, as this page shows, shes growing daily: https://socialblade....ser/celine dion

 

I actually check in on Socialblade semi-regularly, and it's very clear she always gets a major uptick around events like Fashion Week or Met Gala. This fashionista turn has undoubtedly been great for her social media presence (which is no surprise; those are some viral outfits!)

[AdrienneM]

 

 

That’s simply totally untrue Especially for Spain (Germany was already denied by another member)

 

Edit: i was going to continue this discussion, as when i checked Wikipedia, she did go top 10 with everything except call the man. However, i think we’ve kind of clogged up this thread too much with non-new album related topics, so im gonna sign off from this thread for now

Edited September 1, 2019 at 06:32 PM by AdrienneM

[scielle]

It's still a very slow growth. The fact is her social media posts just aren't made as often or as diverse as they could be. It's all too formal/"scripted" imo, she needs someone with a better grasp on social media to handle her accounts.

 

Maybe they'll get better at it while on tour. It's gonna be 1+ years on the road, lots of good content to come hopefully.

 

They're certainly doing much better than in the past, but yes, it's all very stilted.

I think her "glam squad" has helped somewhat in that respect, but it's all still very obvious those posts are just not her (for the most part).

 

And the worst are always those "Queen's Christmas message" videos....oy

[alexceline]

. Edited September 1, 2019 at 06:57 PM by alexceline

[sarit_celine]

There may even be three songs from Sia. In 2017 Céline said in a Lorraine interview that Sia wrote three songs for her. Those three are probably: “Baby”, “Lying Down” and “Heart of Glass”. All of them were registered by the way.

 

Oh no 3? such a waste, it going to be so expected with how the Sia songs are going to sound. Sad mistake.

It seems that if she could, she will record entire album written by Sia

[ordinary fan]

Oh no 3? such a waste, it going to be so expected with how the Sia songs are going to sound. Sad mistake.

It seems that if she could, she will record entire album written by Sia

how do you know that these songs are bad, you havn't listen to them yet. I think it's always a personal thing for everybody to decide, if one likes a song or not, but I would't blame the songs, before giving them a chance. And for my part I'm sure, the songs will be great

[maki_Dion-er]

It seems that if she could, she will record entire album written by Sia

 

That wouldn't be a bad thing. It would be the same as when she had a whole album written by JJG. At least it would for sure have the consistency many here want and feel lacking in her last few English albums. And if Sia were to write her an album with all songs created specifically for Celine then even better. They would be have that Sia touch that Celine likes, but still be all Celine.

 

Three songs by Sia isn't a bad thing.

[delta]

Bon toujours rien youpi il faudrait rebaptisé l album si album il y a

 

[jepoi]

Well, i guess if i were a casual fan, i wouldn't want to follow a celeb whose every single post ends with "-team celine". That lacks personal touch. Aside from that, there's not much post on her account either. Not even her much talked-about photoshoots. Why is her team like that?

 

 

 

Julia Roberts created her Instagram only one year ago and she has already more than 6.6 million followers.

 

Admittedly, the number of Celine followers has increased, but IMO 3.5 million is a small number for the highlight Celine has had in the press for the past three years. Madonna and Mariah have many more followers than Celine on Instagram.

 

I think her team should do more posts, short videos and photos creating some buzz about the new album, for example.