New English Album - "Water and a Flame" (Pre-Release Thread Part 1)

January 11, 2012 at 10:10 PM

To me, every time she says she has nothing to prove, she means that she records now for the simple pleasure of doing it.

Ok, I admit your version is much better, let's stick to that. :-D :msn-wink:

January 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Ok, I admit your version is much better, let's stick to that.

Well thanks :laugh: . I am trying to be optimistic, but at the same time, I want to be realistic. I know her passion is still there because otherwise she wouldn't be performing in Las Vegas nowadays, she would be a full-time mom.

January 11, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Well thanks . I am trying to be optimistic, but at the same time, I want to be realistic. I know her passion is still there because otherwise she wouldn't be performing in Las Vegas nowadays, she would be a full-time mom.

I agree with both of your posts! But I still find she does not have much passion recording albums anymore. That Vegas show is already completely scheduled, the setlist is safe, everything is already arranged for the show and she is okay with it. For her being busy with new records does not have much priority anymore. She likes Vegas and her family. That is of course what makes her happy and she should do what makes her happy. But I wish she has that same passion for new albums and new music as she has for her family and the Vegas shows.

Edited January 11, 2012 at 11:26 PM by browseceline

January 12, 2012 at 12:14 AM

I find that if you have time to do things, you can then have a passion. At the moment celines life is soo full of things to do she doesnt have time to have a passion for anythiogn but her two new babys. and yes they are BABYS! need alot of attention and a motherly bond. Eddy and Nelson are not going to be babys forever, but right now celine is what they need most. Looking at the new interview with ABC did anyone see the footage where nelson and eddy got excited to see their mum? i thought it was really nice to see.

This isnt going to be forever guys, the babys will grow up and celine will have more time on her hand, look at 2007 when RC grew a little, so many new projects! The best is yet to come, even if its a while to wait. But saying that, what more can we ask for lol a new show and 2 new albums, we are very luck indeed!

kev

January 12, 2012 at 12:21 AM

I agee and having seen her latest interview in the other topic I see that too. Her twins are still so young, she wants to be there for them, for RC and for her mum. She wants to give her kids a stable environment and she wants to be that mum they need. I agree sometimes I judge to easily.. sorry. The Spanish interview seemed like a rushed one though and not caring to answer questions about the albums. And i agree there is a lot going, she has a familylive but she also is the vegas star every night and she also records albums in between. A working mum's live indeed. and she works hard for it

January 12, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I find that if you have time to do things, you can then have a passion. At the moment celines life is soo full of things to do she doesnt have time to have a passion for anythiogn but her two new babys. and yes they are BABYS! need alot of attention and a motherly bond. Eddy and Nelson are not going to be babys forever, but right now celine is what they need most. Looking at the new interview with ABC did anyone see the footage where nelson and eddy got excited to see their mum? i thought it was really nice to see.

This isnt going to be forever guys, the babys will grow up and celine will have more time on her hand, look at 2007 when RC grew a little, so many new projects! The best is yet to come, even if its a while to wait. But saying that, what more can we ask for lol a new show and 2 new albums, we are very luck indeed!

kev

Well said Kev.

You are so young and so right at the same time!! Very unusual way of thinking for someone your age. :thumbsup2:

Even some "older" folks here don't get that... :whistling:

And when Celine says she has nothing to prove, to me it means she's reached the top and now she doesn't have to give up her life for her music career anymore - which she did for MANY MANY years!! You can only do that for so long, in music or any other fields.

January 12, 2012 at 06:51 AM

Are you freaking kidding me? I wish I could put into words how much I disagree with this. To be perfectly honest, it's the biggest load of crap I've read on here. This kind of thinking infuriates me beyond words and pisses me off to no extreme.

Why do people think that her past is ALL that matters? HELLO, as long as she still has a career there is still SOMETHING to PROVE. All of this bullsh!t about "nothing left to prove" , excuse me, but anyone who believes that needs to sit their @ss down and listen up. There is a HELL OF A LOT left to prove out there.

And to end this, perhaps the reason why Celine's career has been on a downward spiral after Titanic and since having kids is that maybe she feels this way to - maybe she feels that she has nothing to prove and has done it all. Perhaps she has listened to that kind of crap and believes it herself. Why bother trying if you've done it all? Reality is that she hasn't done it all, or even close to it. There is SO MUCH more for her to prove. So many genres of music untackled, so many different areas within the industry to do, etc.

*rant over*

What do they say? You are only as good as your last project. So where does that leave her? That is debatable.

January 12, 2012 at 07:09 AM

I'm glad she didn't respond with hmmm ALBUMS? WHAT ALBUMS?

Exactly!

January 12, 2012 at 09:59 AM

I think we're gonna have to wait 'til the album is released. But I'm expecting something big, and to me, a BIG album is a well-united one, with a concept that puts the songs together. That's one of the reasons why I've recently started to admire Beyoncé, because she is a bigger artist than I though before. She works incredibly hard on her music videos, decides very carefully which singles are going to be released from each album... etc. I think Celine should get more into this type of things now that she can't dedicate as much time to music as before. The same thing happens with Shakira, I was amazed when I learnt that she designs all her costumes for her concerts and EVEN THE STAGE where she performs in every tour. But I don't know, let's wait 'til we get the album and see what Celine has to say. Edited January 12, 2012 at 09:59 AM by Celine Fan 77

January 12, 2012 at 10:34 AM

I find that if you have time to do things, you can then have a passion. At the moment celines life is soo full of things to do she doesnt have time to have a passion for anythiogn but her two new babys. and yes they are BABYS! need alot of attention and a motherly bond. Eddy and Nelson are not going to be babys forever, but right now celine is what they need most. Looking at the new interview with ABC did anyone see the footage where nelson and eddy got excited to see their mum? i thought it was really nice to see.

This isnt going to be forever guys, the babys will grow up and celine will have more time on her hand, look at 2007 when RC grew a little, so many new projects! The best is yet to come, even if its a while to wait. But saying that, what more can we ask for lol a new show and 2 new albums, we are very luck indeed!

kev

Well said! :flowers:

January 12, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I find that if you have time to do things, you can then have a passion. At the moment celines life is soo full of things to do she doesnt have time to have a passion for anythiogn but her two new babys. and yes they are BABYS! need alot of attention and a motherly bond. Eddy and Nelson are not going to be babys forever, but right now celine is what they need most. Looking at the new interview with ABC did anyone see the footage where nelson and eddy got excited to see their mum? i thought it was really nice to see.

This isnt going to be forever guys, the babys will grow up and celine will have more time on her hand, look at 2007 when RC grew a little, so many new projects! The best is yet to come, even if its a while to wait. But saying that, what more can we ask for lol a new show and 2 new albums, we are very luck indeed!

kev

you are so right!

January 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I'm expecting something big, and to me, a BIG album is a well-united one, with a concept that puts the songs together.

That's right.

January 12, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Yes, and it shouldn't be that hard for an artist like Celine Dion. I don't want just a COMPILATION OF SONGS, like One Heart; I want a NEW ALBUM, which is different.

January 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Let's hope they will promote it better then they did with taking chances!

And they had the chance there because it will be more rock then ever ;)

January 12, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Well I disagree there; I think she did quite a big promotional tour in Canada, United States, France, Italy, England and Germany, and then the world tour, which became the second-grossing tour ever by a solo artist. I think it was quite a good promo strategy. And of course the singles and the amazing music video for Taking Chances.

January 12, 2012 at 01:35 PM

Sony UK are appointing their new Celine product manager for this album over the next week, so I should then start getting updates just like with the TC album.

ok good news , thanks

I hope we will have news, for finally official news on the album

January 12, 2012 at 01:44 PM

When we have Winter, so June, July and August.

Thanks Claudette!! So it won't be April Well I can look forward to the release of the new Katie Melua Album in March. 5 March to be exact...

January 12, 2012 at 02:47 PM

she might is the best selling female artist of all time

she is the # 1 selling artist of past decade

but there is always something to prove , believe or not

with UNISON she was introduced to the world,

with BATB - she got a name

with FIY she became an international Star

LTAL - MHWGN - bring Celine's name to the top of the world

ANDHC show that Celine could do fresh and coll songs like I'm alive

with the first 3 years of Vegas she prove that could move people to see her own show

with 2 additional years of Vegas show she ruined her career

and now she is dead for the entire world

January 12, 2012 at 04:20 PM

I f they promote the album good enough, it shall go faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!!!

Hope we get a final fixed date VERY soon!!!

January 12, 2012 at 07:18 PM

I f they promote the album good enough, it shall go faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!!!
Hope we get a final fixed date VERY soon!!!

It's high time!!!

January 13, 2012 at 01:37 AM

To me, every time she says she has nothing to prove, she means that she records now for the simple pleasure of doing it.

I agree. It's US who takes this topic to the extreme.

I'm not saying I know what she is thinking, but I honestly don't think she strives to have another Titanic smash these days. There's nothing really wrong with that. She enjoys her quiet life with her family, and I don't think it's her goal to be in all the magazines and in the media anymore.

Edited January 13, 2012 at 01:40 AM by CelineAndRene

January 13, 2012 at 09:16 AM

Exactly, I think most of us (although I would love to see Celine having now the success that she had in the '90s) are still in the process of accepting that her priorities have changed, but one of the good things of that is that she found the balance between family and show business.

January 13, 2012 at 09:47 AM

I would rather have Celine in the sidelines of the charts than be attempting to compete with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj etc- it's just changed. I like that Celine is respected as a 'legend', that she is still revered for her voice, that people respect her for a fantastic career. Just because she doesn't release every song from her album a la Beyonce or Gaga, doesn't mean she is a failure.

Most of all, we have to remember how huge Celine was back in the day. watch ABM at the billboards to hear the crowds- she was Rihanna! Let's see how long they can have their current success- there's always someone new coming along. Celine is still a major recording artist. She still makes millions, draws millions of people to concerts.

We have to stop expecting so much from her. She could just piss off tomorrow and say- bye, it's over...

January 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I don't think there's any sense at all in comparing Celine and Rihanna. But I got your point.

January 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Cmon Stevo, people even dont recognize her as a person, if so they think she is 65 at least....not even close they respected her as a legend, its a singer they heard about something somewhere...

She has EVERYTHING to prove, not to us but to the showbusiness but she dont want to and its such a waste of talent

January 13, 2012 at 10:22 AM

I would rather have Celine in the sidelines of the charts than be attempting to compete with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj etc- it's just changed. I like that Celine is respected as a 'legend', that she is still revered for her voice, that people respect her for a fantastic career. Just because she doesn't release every song from her album a la Beyonce or Gaga, doesn't mean she is a failure.

Most of all, we have to remember how huge Celine was back in the day. watch ABM at the billboards to hear the crowds- she was Rihanna! Let's see how long they can have their current success- there's always someone new coming along. Celine is still a major recording artist. She still makes millions, draws millions of people to concerts.

We have to stop expecting so much from her. She could just piss off tomorrow and say- bye, it's over...

that's right:-) and Celine is not aiming for a comeback either. She does not need so..she already has a big fanbase and she is okay with it. She is doing everything she likes, has a nice family and she is living the life as she wants it. And she wants to give her children a stable life and enjoy being a mother. As I said before I have been complaining often too and maybe sometimes will again, but having seen that last interview I have to say it's okay like it is and just be happy for her she is feeling good and that she still records albums instead of completely stopping with it.

January 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Exactly. Once I heard someone say "Be thankful for what you have instead of complaining for what you're missing." I think we should apply that sentence here.

And about comparing Celine to other artists such as Rihanna or Beyoncé, I would say that there's a lot of things Celine could learn from Beyoncé, like I said before, it's incredible how hard working that lady is. I don't know much about Rihanna, but I think she is a good friend of Céline. And by the way don't get me wrong, just like Celine could learn about Beyoncé, Beyoncé could learn about Celine. She has much more experience in show business and everything and has proven to be able to handle such a big career without being involved in drugs and all that stuff.

January 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM

I would rather have Celine in the sidelines of the charts than be attempting to compete with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj etc- it's just changed. I like that Celine is respected as a 'legend', that she is still revered for her voice, that people respect her for a fantastic career. Just because she doesn't release every song from her album a la Beyonce or Gaga, doesn't mean she is a failure.

Most of all, we have to remember how huge Celine was back in the day. watch ABM at the billboards to hear the crowds- she was Rihanna! Let's see how long they can have their current success- there's always someone new coming along. Celine is still a major recording artist. She still makes millions, draws millions of people to concerts.

We have to stop expecting so much from her. She could just piss off tomorrow and say- bye, it's over...

Well said Steven!

I've actually had that in the back of my mind but too scared to put it in words.

But I guess what I am still aiming at is that I'm a bit sad how neglected her music has become. It was what drawn me to her. Her voice and her music. Nowadays it seems she doesn't care at all about the music. It's just something she has to do. Like a normal 9-5 job. No passion. Look at the latest albums. The songs are OK, a very few are brilliant. It's like they pick some and say "that will do" and then rush to get them over with. A little bit of this a little bit of that, hurry up. And the albums have no overall sound or feeling that binds it together, just a bunch of songs.

I think her family exposure has gone too far. Sure a fan wants a glimse into their idol's private life, but it wasn't their private lives that got them being fans from the start. I think Céline has focused too much on being open about her private life that the ballanse have tilted over to the extreme. It's almost as if she's selling and promoting her family life nowadays. And the music has been forgotten.

That's all.

/fred

Edited January 13, 2012 at 11:14 AM by fred

January 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Exactly, I think most of us (although I would love to see Celine having now the success that she had in the '90s) are still in the process of accepting that her priorities have changed, but one of the good things of that is that she found the balance between family and show business.

100% agree :bye1:

Priorities have changed but she's still singing and recording, so what more can we ask for?

The 90's are the past, and those years were amazing, but the past it will never be coming back, so let's accept what we have now, that is 2 new albums to release and a big show. And then, when the albums will be released, let's enjoy them!! That's all :yes: :yes: :thumbsup2:

January 13, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I too agree with you Fred- I get sick to death about hearing about 'family'- yes, it's special and important and I'm so glad she was able to have the twins, but yes- OVEREXPOSURE, and similarly, it was the performer that attracted me to her in the first place.

She's slowed down- I don't think we should complain about that- she toured for a decade in the 90s...and I wasn't comparing her to Beyonce or Rihanna, I just mentioned them as they more or less rule the charts/headlines at the moment.

I also do think she has passion for recording- it might not be her aim fr a comeback, but remember her awesome work in the Taking Chances Sessions? Map to My Heart...Eyes on Me- she had so much fun. She was on top form, the perfectionist, the performer- just because she doesn't live and breathe it every day anymore is no bad thing.

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