"Sans attendre" album - Official Topic

[Chin]

I doubt there will be a forth single now... We still got nothing about it Edited August 1, 2013 at 06:43 PM by chinchin_dreampalace

[Prima_Donna1]

Sans Attendre is a great French album. This album in my opinion than 1f4t and SSDA period. My favorite song is Qui peut vivre sans Amour?, Moi Quan Je Pleure, and Celle qui m'a tout appris. Sorry if I spelled these titles wrong.

[LukeD]

After this album it's like I signed a contract to be a huge-devoted-crazy fan for the rest of my life. Edited August 3, 2013 at 09:04 PM by LukeD

[Jeff Abbott]

After this album it's like I signed a contract to be a huge-devoted-crazy fan for the rest of my life.

Wasn't that contract signed a bit earlier than that? With SA she totally nailed it, that's where we agree.

Edited August 3, 2013 at 10:41 PM by Jeff Abbott

[LukeD]

Wasn't that contract signed a bit earlier than that? http://1.1.1.5/bmi/www.celinedionforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif http://1.1.1.2/bmi/www.celinedionforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_2.gif With SA she totally nailed it, that's where we agree. http://1.1.1.1/bmi/www.celinedionforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

 

Υup, you got my point!

[celine-rc]

After this album it's like I signed a contract to be a huge-devoted-crazy fan for the rest of my life.

 

I signed that contract long ago but I think that I just renewed it ! XD

[Davey84]

After this album it's like I signed a contract to be a huge-devoted-crazy fan for the rest of my life.

 

I sold my soul once I got FIY

[Allysadreams]

I'm sorry but 'Sans Attendre' was my least favourite album, There's maybe only three or four songs that I can bare to listen to....I feel awful saying it but I've felt her other french albums have been awesome where as this album I could not understand the fuss at all....

 

Does anyone else feel the same?

Edited August 7, 2013 at 01:34 PM by Allysadreams

[Javito]

I'm sorry but 'Sans Attendre' was my least favourite album, There's maybe only three or four songs that I can bare to listen to....I feel awful saying it but I've felt her other french albums have been awesome where as this album I could not understand the fuss at all....

 

Does anyone else feel the same?

 

The fuss existed and was there because it was an album so long awaited. She spent more than 5 years since D'elles without new french music, and D'elles was an album which was barely promoted and it was a flop. So compared to D'elles, which set the bar very low, its understandable that the next album to arrive would have it easy to exceed the expectations and please the public Céline's public was "hungry" and avid for new music, so they would listen and buy whatever she put out after 5 years without new songs from her (I hope this same success happens again for the new english album, cross your fingers and toes everyone!)

 

That said, saying that this album is "great" or her best album of the decade like its been said here looks a litte exaggerated. No album has still surpassed the pen, the production and the artistry given in the trilogy Dion chante Plamondon/D'eux/S'il suffisait d'aimer, and I highly doubt it ever will, unless Céline goes under the direction of a same songwriter again (who is the only one who can provide a little of cohesion and unity to her albums).

 

To me, there's only two or three songs that can rival to those included in the JJG or Plamondon albums, and that honour would go to "Attendre", "Une chance qu'on s'a" and "Si je n'ai rien de toi". Those are memorable moments in the album, especially the first two.

 

But the rest is like... meh, its ok. As much as I love other tracks like "Qui peut vivre sans amour", "Moi quand je pleure" or "Celle qui m'a tout appris", I found these like I've listened and read about their stories many times before in other voices. And for example, a song for which I had personally very high expectations, "Que toi au monde" by Mr. Plamondon, was a big disappointment to me. And the disappointment went to annoyment when I listened the original version by David Exposito and the original tempo they had for him: why the hell did Celine had to change the music into a more slower, sadder and insipid version, when the original one sounded that good as it was? That's another proof of how much she can ruin a song she's covering, believing she will make a better version making a slower one. Fail!. So this one is a song I regrettably skip when I listen the album

 

Other tracks like "Les petis pieds de Lea" or "Le miracle", while I find they're nice to listen, they're not memorable at all IMO.

Edited August 7, 2013 at 03:54 PM by Javito

[zuv]

I sold my soul once I got FIY

 

haha same here, I was nine when i heard IACBTMN on the radio and I was astonished by that voice, so I went to Archambault the next week end with my mom and bought my first ever CD (well my mom did) and that's the day I sold my soul too.

lol

[Neddo]

The fuss existed and was there because it was an album so long awaited. She spent more than 5 years since D'elles without new french music, and D'elles was an album which was barely promoted and it was a flop. So compared to D'elles, which set the bar very low, its understandable that the next album to arrive would have it easy to exceed the expectations and please the public Céline's public was "hungry" and avid for new music, so they would listen and buy whatever she put out after 5 years without new songs from her (I hope this same success happens again for the new english album, cross your fingers and toes everyone!)

 

That said, saying that this album is "great" or her best album of the decade like its been said here looks a litte exaggerated. No album has still surpassed the pen, the production and the artistry given in the trilogy Dion chante Plamondon/D'eux/S'il suffisait d'aimer, and I highly doubt it ever will, unless Céline goes under the direction of a same songwriter again (who is the only one who can provide a little of cohesion and unity to her albums).

 

To me, there's only two or three songs that can rival to those included in the JJG or Plamondon albums, and that honour would go to "Attendre", "Une chance qu'on s'a" and "Si je n'ai rien de toi". Those are memorable moments in the album, especially the first two.

 

But the rest is like... meh, its ok. As much as I love other tracks like "Qui peut vivre sans amour", "Moi quand je pleure" or "Celle qui m'a tout appris", I found these like I've listened and read about their stories many times before in other voices. And for example, a song for which I had personally very high expectations, "Que toi au monde" by Mr. Plamondon, was a big disappointment to me. And the disappointment went to annoyment when I listened the original version by David Exposito and the original tempo they had for him: why the hell did Celine had to change the music into a more slower, sadder and insipid version, when the original one sounded that good as it was? That's another proof of how much she can ruin a song she's covering, believing she will make a better version making a slower one. Fail!. So this one is a song I regrettably skip when I listen the album

 

Other tracks like "Les petis pieds de Lea" or "Le miracle", while I find they're nice to listen, they're not memorable at all IMO.

 

If there weren't duets on album, if we had a Quand on n'a que l'amour studio version instead then SA would definetly would set that bar high. But I like duets. DCP is wierd album, full of fillers, worst french album. I adore SSA more because it feels more mature. No French album is bad. I wonder why is SA album personal? Like D'elles wasn't? Sans attendre is only french album without big grand notes with the exception of SJNRDT. We have pure emotional and colourful voice instead unlike JOT in which Celine sounds like chiken

Edited August 7, 2013 at 04:38 PM by Neddo

[Javito]

I strongly disagre with the Plamondon album "full of fillers"! The songs included in "Dion chante Plamondon" have been covered by many many singers by the time Céline recorded it in 1991, and they keep covering those songs... how can these be fillers?!

[Neddo]

I strongly disagre with the Plamondon album "full of fillers"! The songs included in "Dion chante Plamondon" have been covered by many many singers by the time Céline recorded it in 1991, and they keep covering those songs... how can these be fillers?!

 

If it's covered by many it doesn't mean it's good. I love non covers, and few others but I don't know the point of J'ai besoin d'un chum, Les uns contre les autres and Le fils de Superman. I find these songs very boring and fillerish. It's her worst album according to critics: Allmusic 2,5/5, EW C, Rolling Stone Album Guide, 1/5. If you mesaure 50+50+20=120/3 equals 40. It's an average album

[GoldenLeaf]

I guess I'm like the only person here on this forum who hasn't bought ''Sans Attendre''. IMO, this album is her worst in term of vocal delivery and quality of the songs.

 

However, I'm happy to see that this album had a great success in term of sales.

[Daysleeper]

I agree with Javito about "Dion chante Plamondon" and the other things he said. "Sans attendre" was a long awaited album and when it was released it came out as a nice and solid album. But I would never call it a best French album, that's sure. For me it is "D'eux" closely followed by "S'il suffisait d'aimer". I don't believe that anything will surpass those two albums. They put Céline in another artistic level (Thank you mr. Goldman). Especially "D'eux" which came first and was released at the moment when Céline's english career was taking shape and defining her "american" sound (read: big ballads etc.).

 

"Dion chante Plamondon" is maybe too different from most of the things that Céline was doing in her career, so perhaps it's not that appealing to the most of the fans. Especially to those who don't understand French. But for me it's a genuine album. It shows young and little bit rebelling Céline. Listen to "Oxygène"

[québecflower]

I agree with Javito about "Dion chante Plamondon" and the other things he said. "Sans attendre" was a long awaited album and when it was released it came out as a nice and solid album. But I would never call it a best French album, that's sure. For me it is "D'eux" closely followed by "S'il suffisait d'aimer". I don't believe that anything will surpass those two albums. They put Céline in another artistic level (Thank you mr. Goldman). Especially "D'eux" which came first and was released at the moment when Céline's english career was taking shape and defining her "american" sound (read: big ballads etc.).

 

"Dion chante Plamondon" is maybe too different from most of the things that Céline was doing in her career, so perhaps it's not that appealing to the most of the fans. Especially to those who don't understand French. But for me it's a genuine album. It shows young and little bit rebelling Céline. Listen to "Oxygène"

 

Oxigène is my favorite on this album..so different from Diane Dufresne who created the song. It takes another nmeaning almost. She sings it so naturally, like someonewho have been conditionned by the world.

 

And i like sans attendre because of it is so simple, no big voice, not too much bad poetry. Very relaxing for me.

[Javito]

"Dion chante Plamondon" is maybe too different from most of the things that Céline was doing in her career, so perhaps it's not that appealing to the most of the fans. Especially to those who don't understand French. But for me it's a genuine album. It shows young and little bit rebelling Céline. Listen to "Oxygène"

 

That's it, you have to understand french and the lyrics to appreciate it, but once you get what she's singing... WOW Plamondon is like a magician of words.

 

"Le Fils de Superman" boring? Filler? It's one of the most emotional songs she has ever sung in french! It's like telling the story you read in a local newspaper about a tragedy, but told in the form of a song. Just listen the ovation and the applause she got in the Olympia performance, it gives me chills

[Davey84]

Ok now i agree with you

 

LFDS is an amazing, haunting song about a tragic death of a young boy in New York... its such an emotional song

[québecflower]

That's it, you have to understand french and the lyrics to appreciate it, but once you get what she's singing... WOW Plamondon is like a magician of words.

 

"Le Fils de Superman" boring? Filler? It's one of the most emotional songs she has ever sung in french! It's like telling the story you read in a local newspaper about a tragedy, but told in the form of a song. Just listen the ovation and the applause she got in the Olympia performance, it gives me chills

 

But Le fils de superman was better with Martine Saint-Clair. Celine brings nothing new to the song. But i can understand that you like the song , since you have not heard the other version before. It was a very big success in Québec. Marine Saint-Clair have been one of Luc Plamondon protégée

[$P!K&]

For me, Dion Chante Plamondon is the worst album on celine's carrer. I was so happy when i found out Plamondon only wrote one song (probably the worst also) for Sans Attendre... D'eux and 1 fille et 4 types are the best for me

[garçon]

The fuss existed and was there because it was an album so long awaited. She spent more than 5 years since D'elles without new french music, and D'elles was an album which was barely promoted and it was a flop. So compared to D'elles, which set the bar very low, its understandable that the next album to arrive would have it easy to exceed the expectations and please the public Céline's public was "hungry" and avid for new music, so they would listen and buy whatever she put out after 5 years without new songs from her (I hope this same success happens again for the new english album, cross your fingers and toes everyone!)

 

That said, saying that this album is "great" or her best album of the decade like its been said here looks a litte exaggerated. No album has still surpassed the pen, the production and the artistry given in the trilogy Dion chante Plamondon/D'eux/S'il suffisait d'aimer, and I highly doubt it ever will, unless Céline goes under the direction of a same songwriter again (who is the only one who can provide a little of cohesion and unity to her albums).

 

To me, there's only two or three songs that can rival to those included in the JJG or Plamondon albums, and that honour would go to "Attendre", "Une chance qu'on s'a" and "Si je n'ai rien de toi". Those are memorable moments in the album, especially the first two.

 

But the rest is like... meh, its ok. As much as I love other tracks like "Qui peut vivre sans amour", "Moi quand je pleure" or "Celle qui m'a tout appris", I found these like I've listened and read about their stories many times before in other voices. And for example, a song for which I had personally very high expectations, "Que toi au monde" by Mr. Plamondon, was a big disappointment to me. And the disappointment went to annoyment when I listened the original version by David Exposito and the original tempo they had for him: why the hell did Celine had to change the music into a more slower, sadder and insipid version, when the original one sounded that good as it was? That's another proof of how much she can ruin a song she's covering, believing she will make a better version making a slower one. Fail!. So this one is a song I regrettably skip when I listen the album

 

Other tracks like "Les petis pieds de Lea" or "Le miracle", while I find they're nice to listen, they're not memorable at all IMO.

 

First of all: D'Elles was NO flop. It was an average success perhaps... but no flop.

 

Besides, I would consider D'eux, SISDA, 1F4T a trilogy (all comprehend the strong influence of JJG and mainly very strong original songs). DMQS seems a different, French-Canadian album, consisting mainly out of standards/covers.

[Neddo]

LFDS may have good lyrics but it's like RTD of the album. It's too mystic

[bilinkew]

Javito - you must be joking . . . Celine's version of Que toi au monde is amazingly better than that version . . . what drugs are you taking?

[Javito]

Javito - you must be joking . . . Celine's version of Que toi au monde is amazingly better than that version . . . what drugs are you taking?

 

No drugs here! I just think she ruined the original song arrangements and tempo! And the way David sings the song is much more appealing to me, Céline's version is depressing and boring, for doing it a much slower one

 

[chocolatechip15]

The fuss existed and was there because it was an album so long awaited. She spent more than 5 years since D'elles without new french music, and D'elles was an album which was barely promoted and it was a flop. So compared to D'elles, which set the bar very low, its understandable that the next album to arrive would have it easy to exceed the expectations and please the public Céline's public was "hungry" and avid for new music, so they would listen and buy whatever she put out after 5 years without new songs from her (I hope this same success happens again for the new english album, cross your fingers and toes everyone!)

 

That said, saying that this album is "great" or her best album of the decade like its been said here looks a litte exaggerated. No album has still surpassed the pen, the production and the artistry given in the trilogy Dion chante Plamondon/D'eux/S'il suffisait d'aimer, and I highly doubt it ever will, unless Céline goes under the direction of a same songwriter again (who is the only one who can provide a little of cohesion and unity to her albums).

 

To me, there's only two or three songs that can rival to those included in the JJG or Plamondon albums, and that honour would go to "Attendre", "Une chance qu'on s'a" and "Si je n'ai rien de toi". Those are memorable moments in the album, especially the first two.

 

But the rest is like... meh, its ok. As much as I love other tracks like "Qui peut vivre sans amour", "Moi quand je pleure" or "Celle qui m'a tout appris", I found these like I've listened and read about their stories many times before in other voices. And for example, a song for which I had personally very high expectations, "Que toi au monde" by Mr. Plamondon, was a big disappointment to me. And the disappointment went to annoyment when I listened the original version by David Exposito and the original tempo they had for him: why the hell did Celine had to change the music into a more slower, sadder and insipid version, when the original one sounded that good as it was? That's another proof of how much she can ruin a song she's covering, believing she will make a better version making a slower one. Fail!. So this one is a song I regrettably skip when I listen the album

 

Other tracks like "Les petis pieds de Lea" or "Le miracle", while I find they're nice to listen, they're not memorable at all IMO.

 

 

It depends what you're looking for in an album, I suppose. I agree with you that there is no masterpiece like D'Eux -- but I love SA a million times more than Dion Chante Plamondon. Sans Attendre was great becuase the songs were largely, as Rene said, made to measure for Celine. This made for deeply emotional performances of songs with beautiful melody -- where the emotion came through but the singing was still largely understated. Dion Chante Plamondon is one of my least favorite albums because, to me, there's very little melody in those songs, and the lyrics, for the most part, have nothing to do with Celine (and I find some of them pretentious and irritating).

 

But in SA: Like you, I love Une Chance Qu'on S'a -- a beautiful love song about mature, reciprocated love, expressed beautifully in the warm blending of two voices. And C'elle Qui M'a Tout Appris . . .to me, this is one of Celine's most deeply affecting songs, because I, too, am very close to a mother who's growing older. (Not as old as Celine's mother. .but that concept -- that role reversal of beginning to take care of the one who taught you everything -- while you still feel lost yourself -- it's expressed and convyed so beautifully in that song. And her delivery is incredible . .especially the way her voice trembles when she talks about her mother following in the path traced by her father. If it's not a song you can relate to, i guess it's not that interesting. But if it is, it becomes very powerful. Same with Les Petit Pieds de Lea . .its an emotional song about the loss of a child, and Celine's own loss gives tremendous emotional power to the performance.

 

Anyway, we all have different tastes and approaches to what we like ... just my thoughts.

[chocolatechip15]

I strongly disagre with the Plamondon album "full of fillers"! The songs included in "Dion chante Plamondon" have been covered by many many singers by the time Céline recorded it in 1991, and they keep covering those songs... how can these be fillers?!

 

But I thought you didn't like it when Celine sings covers!

Edited August 7, 2013 at 11:45 PM by chocolatechip15

[québecflower]

But I thought you didn't like it when Celine sings covers!

But I thought you didn't like it when Celine sings covers!

 

Has Javito said that? really i can't recall, i'm litlle bit old...

 

Maybe this is because he didn't know the originals versions... The only one that was noteworthy for me is Oxygene, the others, not so sure, besides the originals one...Even Piaf chanterait du rock was better with Marie Carmen.

[Moleque20]

DCP is an amazing album. It introduced Celine to France and prepared for the "invasion" of D'eux 3 year later. Some of Celine's classic songs can be found within the tracks: Ziggy, L'amour existe encore, Les blues. A few days ago Celine performed 'Des mots qui sonnent' and 'je danse dans ma tete', like in 1994 in the Olympia Theater. The lyrics of Plamondon are amazing! Talking about depression, about how the human societies and relationships are evolved. it is a MASTERPIECE, lyrically and vocally. Oxygene, Le monde est stone, Les blues... are uncomparable songs. As written by the best female lyricist in France, Mylene Farmer. Edited August 7, 2013 at 11:58 PM by Moleque20

[québecflower]

DCP is an amazing album. It introduced Celine to France and prepared for the "invasion" of D'eux 3 year later. Some of Celine's classic songs can be found within the tracks: Ziggy, L'amour existe encore, Les blues, A few days ago Celine performed Des mots qui sonnent and je danse dans ma tete, like in 1994 in Olympia Theater. The lyrics of Plamondon are amazing! Talking about depression, about how the human societies and relationships are evolved. it is a MASTERPIECE, lyrically and vocally. Oxygene, Le monde est stone, Les blues... are uncomparable songs. As written by the best female lyricist in France, Mylene Farmer.

 

does Mylène Farmer likes Celine you think? curiosity, i have not read nothing about it...I love Mylkène Farmer myself..

[chocolatechip15]

Has Javito said that? really i can't recall, i'm litlle bit old...

 

 

I was just teasing, but I know he was saying today that he thought Celine should have sung one of her own singles instead of At 17 at the Grammy nominations, and that he didn't want the At 17, Overjoyed, Open Arms type of songs on the new album. Maybe that's a little different than all the people who get upset about her doing covers. . anyway, it was just meant to be funny -- no offense intended.