"A New Day Has Come" album - Official Topic

[LukeD]

Wrong again. TTWII single was physically sent to radios for promotion, the same way as ANDHC did

 

That's The Way It Is

 

Format: promo CD single, jewelcase

Cat. No: BSK 46423

Label: 550 Music/EPIC

 

http://www.powerofth.../thats the.html

 

This was released and sent to radios for promotion in the US Back in 1999, how stupid would have been Sony Music if they had missed the chance to send a physical CD single of this song to radios? Not to mention that physical singles were the main way to promote songs in radios those days, since emailing mp3 and digital files (as they do today) was a distribution tool amost inexistent then!

Wrong. The song was not released physically till August 2000 (as an A-side single with IWYTNM). You posted this info.

 

Sending certain amount of copies to radios does not mean the song was available for the public to purchase. And it really wasn't. It reached #6 on airplay alone!

Edited June 7, 2016 at 09:50 AM by LukeD

[Javito]

When we are talking about physical singles airplay means very little. Radio deals exist since before we were born (NOT implying there was a radio deal), and also radios ban singers despite their popularity. The only accurate measurement of whether a song is successful or not is its sales. Things are different for radio singles of course. Then airplay is the only criterion.

 

Well, apparently one of the most important radio charts in the world, Billboard Hot 100, considers radio airplay as one of their means to measure the success of a song, and not just sales

 

Billboard Hot 100: "this week's most popular songs across all genres, ranked by radio airplay audience impressions as measured by Nielsen Music, sales data as compiled by Nielsen Music and streaming activity data provided by online music sources"

 

[LukeD]

Well, apparently one of the most important radio charts in the world, Billboard Hot 100, considers radio airplay as one of their means to measure the success of a song, and not just sales

 

 

 

Normally a song that is played on radio sells well. There are other important markets like France that only count sales. BB Hot 100 changes its rules every now and then anyway. And there is no universal consensus on whether airplay should be a factor. Nobody doubts sales though. Nobody.

 

Point is that even if airplay is concerned TTWII was cycled more in US than ANDHC which was just Top 40 (peaking outside Top 20) for mainstream radios.

Edited June 7, 2016 at 09:57 AM by LukeD

[Javito]

Wrong. The song was not released physically till August 2000 (as an A-side single with IWYTNM). You posted this info.

 

Sending certain amount of copies to radios does not mean the song was available for the public to purchase. And it really wasn't. It reached #6 on airplay alone!

 

So? Like I showed, Billboard Hot 100 is based both on radio airplay demand and not only sales. So no matter when the physical single was released, it did get both a promo single for radio and a commercial CD single, both of which you have denied in the first place (first you said it didn't have any commercial single, and then that it hadn't a single sent to radios) . You try to make the success of the singles depending only on sales, when there's much more to keep into account, as this list shows

[LukeD]

So? Like I showed, Billboard Hot 100 is based both on radio airplay demand and not only sales. So no matter when the physical single was released, it did get both a promo single for radio and a commercial CD single, both of which you have denied in the first place (first you said it didn't have any commercial single, and then that it hadn't a single sent to radios) . You try to make the success of the singles depending only on sales, when there's much more to keep into account, as this list shows

Do you even read what I am saying? Like YOU showed? You? I have been saying it over and OVER that TTWII reached #6 due to AIRPLAY ALONE. It is a fact that BB factors airplay.

 

I never denied the physical single, I knew for over 10 years now that TTWII was released physically 9 months after its radio release and I have posted so long before our discussion today. Do you remember last time we were arguing about the covers and her career that I showed you a list of the times her label messed up with her single releases? If you do remember, I had mentioned how they messed up with the US release of TTWII. They missed the opportunity of Celine having a big selling single there by not releasing the physical single on time. So no. I did not deny anything today.

 

I never said TTWII never had a single sent to radios. I said it was released on radios with no physical release to help it chart higher. And of course I mean the physical release that is available for public to purchase. This goes without saying. This is what I have been repeating in almost every post.

Edited June 7, 2016 at 10:07 AM by LukeD

[Davey84]

I'm blocking this thread till further notice. You both will hear from the moderators.

[isurrender]

I don't see the connection between ANDHC and LMBTL.

 

The first one is a "fake album" without any coherence, just trying to please everybody, without any position.

 

Back in 2001. Sony meeting room ( a bunch of people, so of "brains"... back then, Céline's team was way bigger than today)

 

- So what are we going to do for Céline's come back ? Any idea?

- ... (nobody)

-(somebody staring at the big frame gathering all Céline's previous album): all these albums were successfull. Why?

- Let's mix them all and it will smash everywhere.

 

End of the meeting.

To do list :

 

- Some crappy pop songs ( "Hey, "That's the way it " was a success guys!") => I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong one

- Some old/vintage/jazzy/blues/whatever covers ( Hello "When I fall in love" and "Blue Christmas", "All the way", "The first time") => At last/ Nature Boy

- At least one vocally powerfull David Foster song ( see All by myself) => I surrender

- A cheesy love song ( Talking about Céline. Obvious)=> Have you ever been love ? Just askin'...because you loved me!

- Let's give the spanish market another try! => Aun existe amor ( sola otra vez, Amar haciendo el amor)

- What about the french market? ...calling Sony representatives in France "Hi, what are the most successfull songs right now over there?" " Well, we have this guy who just selled more than 1 million copies of his album. Gerald De Palmas. And then this musical very successfull..." " Yes, we know, Céline did a cover out of it 2 years ago" "oh no, that's another one. Musicals are very hype these days"... => Ten days/The greatest reward .vs allhertranslatedfrenchsongs/Live

- Shaking a hat full of pieces of paper with some random songs=> 1st pick: Where is the love. (Corey Hart will do it again: another filler yet beautiful song about universal love : Prayer), 2sd pick : If walls could talk. ( "We are so lucky, we have this song in our drawer that Céline didn't want to sing 2 years ago : Goodbye's the... ).

 

The end.

 

"Sorry guys, something is missing here. Some novelty in Céline's repertoire".

 

A guy who wants to keep his identity secret (as too ashame of what he did) came up with this idea : let's remix one of her cheesy love song and pretend Céline became the queen of the dancefloors because, after all, a new day has come.

 

Sorry for love (horrendous remix 2002) was born. Without any sorry.

 

So? Everybody is happy?

David Foster? Yes

Eddy Marnay? Yes

Luc Plamondon? Yes ( still making it up to him after dismissed back in 1995)

The producers? Yes ( all the bloody same team? Wake, Afanassief, etc..; blablabla).

 

Job done.

 

PS : "Can you please make sure "Sorry for love" comes right after the 60s tune "At last" "? Just to make people cringe.

PS2 : The cover needs to reflect the content of the album.

We ended up with a cover which remains up to now the only cover (awful to me but who am I?) without any specific colour/tone. Just like the content of the album: a big big whatevaaaaaaaa

 

I'm quite sure Céline's success decline is due to this album ( it has begun with it anyhow). Too ambitious but without any risk/too long but with weak songs lacking of artistry.

 

Even Chuck Taylor from BB ( a big fan) said that "One heart" should have been the album of her come back. Light, colourful...it's far better as a whole. It has its own flaws but it works better for me (I would have taken out HYEBIL/SFL/CSW and made it a small EP just to support the Vegas Show)

The best would have been to mix both albums actually , excluding all the unneeded songs.

[MrTim212]

I don't see the connection between ANDHC and LMBTL.

 

The first one is a "fake album" without any coherence, just trying to please everybody, without any position.

 

Back in 2001. Sony meeting room ( a bunch of people, so of "brains"... back then, Céline's team was way bigger than today)

 

- So what are we going to do for Céline's come back ? Any idea?

- ... (nobody)

-(somebody staring at the big frame gathering all Céline's previous album): all these albums were successfull. Why?

- Let's mix them all and it will smash everywhere.

 

End of the meeting.

To do list :

 

- Some crappy pop songs ( "Hey, "That's the way it " was a success guys!") => I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong one

- Some old/vintage/jazzy/blues/whatever covers ( Hello "When I fall in love" and "Blue Christmas", "All the way", "The first time") => At last/ Nature Boy

- At least one vocally powerfull David Foster song ( see All by myself) => I surrender

- A cheesy love song ( Talking about Céline. Obvious)=> Have you ever been love ? Just askin'...because you loved me!

- Let's give the spanish market another try! => Aun existe amor ( sola otra vez, Amar haciendo el amor)

- What about the french market? ...calling Sony representatives in France "Hi, what are the most successfull songs right now over there?" " Well, we have this guy who just selled more than 1 million copies of his album. Gerald De Palmas. And then this musical very successfull..." " Yes, we know, Céline did a cover out of it 2 years ago" "oh no, that's another one. Musicals are very hype these days"... => Ten days/The greatest reward .vs allhertranslatedfrenchsongs/Live

- Shaking a hat full of pieces of paper with some random songs=> 1st pick: Where is the love. (Corey Hart will do it again: another filler yet beautiful song about universal love : Prayer), 2sd pick : If walls could talk. ( "We are so lucky, we have this song in our drawer that Céline didn't want to sing 2 years ago : Goodbye's the... ).

 

The end.

 

"Sorry guys, something is missing here. Some novelty in Céline's repertoire".

 

A guy who wants to keep his identity secret (as too ashame of what he did) came up with this idea : let's remix one of her cheesy love song and pretend Céline became the queen of the dancefloors because, after all, a new day has come.

 

Sorry for love (horrendous remix 2002) was born. Without any sorry.

 

So? Everybody is happy?

David Foster? Yes

Eddy Marnay? Yes

Luc Plamondon? Yes ( still making it up to him after dismissed back in 1995)

The producers? Yes ( all the bloody same team? Wake, Afanassief, etc..; blablabla).

 

Job done.

 

PS : "Can you please make sure "Sorry for love" comes right after the 60s tune "At last" "? Just to make people cringe.

PS2 : The cover needs to reflect the content of the album.

We ended up with a cover which remains up to now the only cover (awful to me but who am I?) without any specific colour/tone. Just like the content of the album: a big big whatevaaaaaaaa

 

I'm quite sure Céline's success decline is due to this album ( it has begun with it anyhow). Too ambitious but without any risk/too long but with weak songs lacking of artistry.

 

Even Chuck Taylor from BB ( a big fan) said that "One heart" should have been the album of her come back. Light, colourful...it's far better as a whole. It has its own flaws but it works better for me (I would have taken out HYEBIL/SFL/CSW and made it a small EP just to support the Vegas Show)

The best would have been to mix both albums actually , excluding all the unneeded songs.

 

Wow... I've never seen anyone on here give such a scathing review to ANDHC which many people believe is one of her best albums in English...

[Peppercorn1991]

I don't see the connection between ANDHC and LMBTL.

 

The first one is a "fake album" without any coherence, just trying to please everybody, without any position.

 

Back in 2001. Sony meeting room ( a bunch of people, so of "brains"... back then, Céline's team was way bigger than today)

 

- So what are we going to do for Céline's come back ? Any idea?

- ... (nobody)

-(somebody staring at the big frame gathering all Céline's previous album): all these albums were successfull. Why?

- Let's mix them all and it will smash everywhere.

 

End of the meeting.

To do list :

 

- Some crappy pop songs ( "Hey, "That's the way it " was a success guys!") => I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong one

- Some old/vintage/jazzy/blues/whatever covers ( Hello "When I fall in love" and "Blue Christmas", "All the way", "The first time") => At last/ Nature Boy

- At least one vocally powerfull David Foster song ( see All by myself) => I surrender

- A cheesy love song ( Talking about Céline. Obvious)=> Have you ever been love ? Just askin'...because you loved me!

- Let's give the spanish market another try! => Aun existe amor ( sola otra vez, Amar haciendo el amor)

- What about the french market? ...calling Sony representatives in France "Hi, what are the most successfull songs right now over there?" " Well, we have this guy who just selled more than 1 million copies of his album. Gerald De Palmas. And then this musical very successfull..." " Yes, we know, Céline did a cover out of it 2 years ago" "oh no, that's another one. Musicals are very hype these days"... => Ten days/The greatest reward .vs allhertranslatedfrenchsongs/Live

- Shaking a hat full of pieces of paper with some random songs=> 1st pick: Where is the love. (Corey Hart will do it again: another filler yet beautiful song about universal love : Prayer), 2sd pick : If walls could talk. ( "We are so lucky, we have this song in our drawer that Céline didn't want to sing 2 years ago : Goodbye's the... ).

 

The end.

 

"Sorry guys, something is missing here. Some novelty in Céline's repertoire".

 

A guy who wants to keep his identity secret (as too ashame of what he did) came up with this idea : let's remix one of her cheesy love song and pretend Céline became the queen of the dancefloors because, after all, a new day has come.

 

Sorry for love (horrendous remix 2002) was born. Without any sorry.

 

So? Everybody is happy?

David Foster? Yes

Eddy Marnay? Yes

Luc Plamondon? Yes ( still making it up to him after dismissed back in 1995)

The producers? Yes ( all the bloody same team? Wake, Afanassief, etc..; blablabla).

 

Job done.

 

PS : "Can you please make sure "Sorry for love" comes right after the 60s tune "At last" "? Just to make people cringe.

PS2 : The cover needs to reflect the content of the album.

We ended up with a cover which remains up to now the only cover (awful to me but who am I?) without any specific colour/tone. Just like the content of the album: a big big whatevaaaaaaaa

 

I'm quite sure Céline's success decline is due to this album ( it has begun with it anyhow). Too ambitious but without any risk/too long but with weak songs lacking of artistry.

 

Even Chuck Taylor from BB ( a big fan) said that "One heart" should have been the album of her come back. Light, colourful...it's far better as a whole. It has its own flaws but it works better for me (I would have taken out HYEBIL/SFL/CSW and made it a small EP just to support the Vegas Show)

The best would have been to mix both albums actually , excluding all the unneeded songs.

 

You ok there.... Surprised your username is from this album....

 

It's an amazing album! Very surprised you feel this way... Bad day? Listen to ANDHC ... Might Cheer you up

 

Kevbx

[enno2007]

This sounds about right :-)

 

I agree that ANDHC is a mess, it's the album I never listen to, as it is her most heterogenous and contains too many really bad songs.

 

I don't see the connection between ANDHC and LMBTL.

 

The first one is a "fake album" without any coherence, just trying to please everybody, without any position.

 

Back in 2001. Sony meeting room ( a bunch of people, so of "brains"... back then, Céline's team was way bigger than today)

 

- So what are we going to do for Céline's come back ? Any idea?

- ... (nobody)

-(somebody staring at the big frame gathering all Céline's previous album): all these albums were successfull. Why?

- Let's mix them all and it will smash everywhere.

 

End of the meeting.

To do list :

 

- Some crappy pop songs ( "Hey, "That's the way it " was a success guys!") => I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong one

- Some old/vintage/jazzy/blues/whatever covers ( Hello "When I fall in love" and "Blue Christmas", "All the way", "The first time") => At last/ Nature Boy

- At least one vocally powerfull David Foster song ( see All by myself) => I surrender

- A cheesy love song ( Talking about Céline. Obvious)=> Have you ever been love ? Just askin'...because you loved me!

- Let's give the spanish market another try! => Aun existe amor ( sola otra vez, Amar haciendo el amor)

- What about the french market? ...calling Sony representatives in France "Hi, what are the most successfull songs right now over there?" " Well, we have this guy who just selled more than 1 million copies of his album. Gerald De Palmas. And then this musical very successfull..." " Yes, we know, Céline did a cover out of it 2 years ago" "oh no, that's another one. Musicals are very hype these days"... => Ten days/The greatest reward .vs allhertranslatedfrenchsongs/Live

- Shaking a hat full of pieces of paper with some random songs=> 1st pick: Where is the love. (Corey Hart will do it again: another filler yet beautiful song about universal love : Prayer), 2sd pick : If walls could talk. ( "We are so lucky, we have this song in our drawer that Céline didn't want to sing 2 years ago : Goodbye's the... ).

 

The end.

 

"Sorry guys, something is missing here. Some novelty in Céline's repertoire".

 

A guy who wants to keep his identity secret (as too ashame of what he did) came up with this idea : let's remix one of her cheesy love song and pretend Céline became the queen of the dancefloors because, after all, a new day has come.

 

Sorry for love (horrendous remix 2002) was born. Without any sorry.

 

So? Everybody is happy?

David Foster? Yes

Eddy Marnay? Yes

Luc Plamondon? Yes ( still making it up to him after dismissed back in 1995)

The producers? Yes ( all the bloody same team? Wake, Afanassief, etc..; blablabla).

 

Job done.

 

PS : "Can you please make sure "Sorry for love" comes right after the 60s tune "At last" "? Just to make people cringe.

PS2 : The cover needs to reflect the content of the album.

We ended up with a cover which remains up to now the only cover (awful to me but who am I?) without any specific colour/tone. Just like the content of the album: a big big whatevaaaaaaaa

 

I'm quite sure Céline's success decline is due to this album ( it has begun with it anyhow). Too ambitious but without any risk/too long but with weak songs lacking of artistry.

 

Even Chuck Taylor from BB ( a big fan) said that "One heart" should have been the album of her come back. Light, colourful...it's far better as a whole. It has its own flaws but it works better for me (I would have taken out HYEBIL/SFL/CSW and made it a small EP just to support the Vegas Show)

The best would have been to mix both albums actually , excluding all the unneeded songs.

Edited August 12, 2016 at 04:51 PM by enno2007

[CelinesDIVO5]

I don't see the connection between ANDHC and LMBTL.

 

The first one is a "fake album" without any coherence, just trying to please everybody, without any position.

 

Back in 2001. Sony meeting room ( a bunch of people, so of "brains"... back then, Céline's team was way bigger than today)

 

- So what are we going to do for Céline's come back ? Any idea?

- ... (nobody)

-(somebody staring at the big frame gathering all Céline's previous album): all these albums were successfull. Why?

- Let's mix them all and it will smash everywhere.

 

End of the meeting.

To do list :

 

- Some crappy pop songs ( "Hey, "That's the way it " was a success guys!") => I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong one

- Some old/vintage/jazzy/blues/whatever covers ( Hello "When I fall in love" and "Blue Christmas", "All the way", "The first time") => At last/ Nature Boy

- At least one vocally powerfull David Foster song ( see All by myself) => I surrender

- A cheesy love song ( Talking about Céline. Obvious)=> Have you ever been love ? Just askin'...because you loved me!

- Let's give the spanish market another try! => Aun existe amor ( sola otra vez, Amar haciendo el amor)

- What about the french market? ...calling Sony representatives in France "Hi, what are the most successfull songs right now over there?" " Well, we have this guy who just selled more than 1 million copies of his album. Gerald De Palmas. And then this musical very successfull..." " Yes, we know, Céline did a cover out of it 2 years ago" "oh no, that's another one. Musicals are very hype these days"... => Ten days/The greatest reward .vs allhertranslatedfrenchsongs/Live

- Shaking a hat full of pieces of paper with some random songs=> 1st pick: Where is the love. (Corey Hart will do it again: another filler yet beautiful song about universal love : Prayer), 2sd pick : If walls could talk. ( "We are so lucky, we have this song in our drawer that Céline didn't want to sing 2 years ago : Goodbye's the... ).

 

The end.

 

"Sorry guys, something is missing here. Some novelty in Céline's repertoire".

 

A guy who wants to keep his identity secret (as too ashame of what he did) came up with this idea : let's remix one of her cheesy love song and pretend Céline became the queen of the dancefloors because, after all, a new day has come.

 

Sorry for love (horrendous remix 2002) was born. Without any sorry.

 

So? Everybody is happy?

David Foster? Yes

Eddy Marnay? Yes

Luc Plamondon? Yes ( still making it up to him after dismissed back in 1995)

The producers? Yes ( all the bloody same team? Wake, Afanassief, etc..; blablabla).

 

Job done.

 

PS : "Can you please make sure "Sorry for love" comes right after the 60s tune "At last" "? Just to make people cringe.

PS2 : The cover needs to reflect the content of the album.

We ended up with a cover which remains up to now the only cover (awful to me but who am I?) without any specific colour/tone. Just like the content of the album: a big big whatevaaaaaaaa

 

I'm quite sure Céline's success decline is due to this album ( it has begun with it anyhow). Too ambitious but without any risk/too long but with weak songs lacking of artistry.

 

Even Chuck Taylor from BB ( a big fan) said that "One heart" should have been the album of her come back. Light, colourful...it's far better as a whole. It has its own flaws but it works better for me (I would have taken out HYEBIL/SFL/CSW and made it a small EP just to support the Vegas Show)

The best would have been to mix both albums actually , excluding all the unneeded songs.

 

Acid trip?

[Javito]

Let's pretend we all appreciate some kind of irony here from time to time... That or anyone can have a bad day LOL

[anewdayhascome]

And somebody called me the most negative person on the forum the other day... Well, I think I'm nothing to THAT. This post is just blasphemous Edited August 12, 2016 at 06:40 PM by anewdayhascome

[Peppercorn1991]

And somebody called the most negative person on the forum the other day... Well, I think I'm nothing to THAT. This post is just blasphemous

 

Your negative sometimes but not always

 

Kev x

[vincentbonvegna]

This sounds about right :-)

 

I agree that ANDHC is a mess, it's the album I never listen to, as it is her most heterogenous and contains too many really bad songs.

Me too ! I like something like 3 songs on this album... Her worst English album in my opinion...

 

And when you listen to it today it sounds really really 2000's.

I remember when I was younger, reading my French "Celine Dion magasine" listening to this album... I already dislike most of the songs. Sorry for those who love the album.

Edited August 12, 2016 at 11:12 PM by vincentbonvegna

[incognito]

I don't see the connection between ANDHC and LMBTL.

 

The first one is a "fake album" without any coherence, just trying to please everybody, without any position.

 

Back in 2001. Sony meeting room ( a bunch of people, so of "brains"... back then, Céline's team was way bigger than today)

 

- So what are we going to do for Céline's come back ? Any idea?

- ... (nobody)

-(somebody staring at the big frame gathering all Céline's previous album): all these albums were successfull. Why?

- Let's mix them all and it will smash everywhere.

 

End of the meeting.

To do list :

 

- Some crappy pop songs ( "Hey, "That's the way it " was a success guys!") => I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong one

- Some old/vintage/jazzy/blues/whatever covers ( Hello "When I fall in love" and "Blue Christmas", "All the way", "The first time") => At last/ Nature Boy

- At least one vocally powerfull David Foster song ( see All by myself) => I surrender

- A cheesy love song ( Talking about Céline. Obvious)=> Have you ever been love ? Just askin'...because you loved me!

- Let's give the spanish market another try! => Aun existe amor ( sola otra vez, Amar haciendo el amor)

- What about the french market? ...calling Sony representatives in France "Hi, what are the most successfull songs right now over there?" " Well, we have this guy who just selled more than 1 million copies of his album. Gerald De Palmas. And then this musical very successfull..." " Yes, we know, Céline did a cover out of it 2 years ago" "oh no, that's another one. Musicals are very hype these days"... => Ten days/The greatest reward .vs allhertranslatedfrenchsongs/Live

- Shaking a hat full of pieces of paper with some random songs=> 1st pick: Where is the love. (Corey Hart will do it again: another filler yet beautiful song about universal love : Prayer), 2sd pick : If walls could talk. ( "We are so lucky, we have this song in our drawer that Céline didn't want to sing 2 years ago : Goodbye's the... ).

 

The end.

 

"Sorry guys, something is missing here. Some novelty in Céline's repertoire".

 

A guy who wants to keep his identity secret (as too ashame of what he did) came up with this idea : let's remix one of her cheesy love song and pretend Céline became the queen of the dancefloors because, after all, a new day has come.

 

Sorry for love (horrendous remix 2002) was born. Without any sorry.

 

So? Everybody is happy?

David Foster? Yes

Eddy Marnay? Yes

Luc Plamondon? Yes ( still making it up to him after dismissed back in 1995)

The producers? Yes ( all the bloody same team? Wake, Afanassief, etc..; blablabla).

 

Job done.

 

PS : "Can you please make sure "Sorry for love" comes right after the 60s tune "At last" "? Just to make people cringe.

PS2 : The cover needs to reflect the content of the album.

We ended up with a cover which remains up to now the only cover (awful to me but who am I?) without any specific colour/tone. Just like the content of the album: a big big whatevaaaaaaaa

 

I'm quite sure Céline's success decline is due to this album ( it has begun with it anyhow). Too ambitious but without any risk/too long but with weak songs lacking of artistry.

 

Even Chuck Taylor from BB ( a big fan) said that "One heart" should have been the album of her come back. Light, colourful...it's far better as a whole. It has its own flaws but it works better for me (I would have taken out HYEBIL/SFL/CSW and made it a small EP just to support the Vegas Show)

The best would have been to mix both albums actually , excluding all the unneeded songs.

 

I agree. I would rather drink water from a toilet bowl that hasn't been flushed clean than listen to that album.

[chocolatechip15]

Most of Celine's English albums have been . . .well . . eclectic. It's always been part of their strategy - trying to reach as wide an audience as possible. It is kind of hilarious that Sorry for Love and Nature Boy are on the same album . .but that's Celine. She does a million types of music and does them well.

 

The gems of this album, I think, are ANDHC and Greatest Reward. They convey her genuine joy at having a child, melodies are beautiful, her voice is incredible.

And I love I'm Alive and Right in Front of You just as fun, upbeat pop songs, while I Surrender is classic Celine power ballad perfection.

 

I cannot stand Goodbye's the Saddest Word or Have You Ever Been in Love. Actively cannot listen to them. Not even exactly sure why. And I rarely listen to the rest of it.

 

But the 5 songs I love are amazing. Almost all of Celine's English albums are like that for me . .they have songs I adore and can't get enough of, often at least 1 song I can't stand, and a few that are just ok. The only English album I can think of where I loved every single song is FIY.

 

Her French work in general is much more coherent in terms of album styles. But it's a different world.

[Pangloss76]

 

 

I agree. I would rather drink water from a toilet bowl that hasn't been flushed clean than listen to that album.

 

Hummmm... As much as I also dislike this album (for its too obvious selling goals) I think I'll have to take it over some toilet sh** 😁

[celinesounds]

How can a fan say her worst album, her voice save the rest

 

you can say less constructive

[comingback]

I don't see the connection between ANDHC and LMBTL.

 

The first one is a "fake album" without any coherence, just trying to please everybody, without any position.

 

Back in 2001. Sony meeting room ( a bunch of people, so of "brains"... back then, Céline's team was way bigger than today)

 

- So what are we going to do for Céline's come back ? Any idea?

- ... (nobody)

-(somebody staring at the big frame gathering all Céline's previous album): all these albums were successfull. Why?

- Let's mix them all and it will smash everywhere.

 

End of the meeting.

To do list :

 

- Some crappy pop songs ( "Hey, "That's the way it " was a success guys!") => I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong one

- Some old/vintage/jazzy/blues/whatever covers ( Hello "When I fall in love" and "Blue Christmas", "All the way", "The first time") => At last/ Nature Boy

- At least one vocally powerfull David Foster song ( see All by myself) => I surrender

- A cheesy love song ( Talking about Céline. Obvious)=> Have you ever been love ? Just askin'...because you loved me!

- Let's give the spanish market another try! => Aun existe amor ( sola otra vez, Amar haciendo el amor)

- What about the french market? ...calling Sony representatives in France "Hi, what are the most successfull songs right now over there?" " Well, we have this guy who just selled more than 1 million copies of his album. Gerald De Palmas. And then this musical very successfull..." " Yes, we know, Céline did a cover out of it 2 years ago" "oh no, that's another one. Musicals are very hype these days"... => Ten days/The greatest reward .vs allhertranslatedfrenchsongs/Live

- Shaking a hat full of pieces of paper with some random songs=> 1st pick: Where is the love. (Corey Hart will do it again: another filler yet beautiful song about universal love : Prayer), 2sd pick : If walls could talk. ( "We are so lucky, we have this song in our drawer that Céline didn't want to sing 2 years ago : Goodbye's the... ).

 

The end.

 

"Sorry guys, something is missing here. Some novelty in Céline's repertoire".

 

A guy who wants to keep his identity secret (as too ashame of what he did) came up with this idea : let's remix one of her cheesy love song and pretend Céline became the queen of the dancefloors because, after all, a new day has come.

 

Sorry for love (horrendous remix 2002) was born. Without any sorry.

 

So? Everybody is happy?

David Foster? Yes

Eddy Marnay? Yes

Luc Plamondon? Yes ( still making it up to him after dismissed back in 1995)

The producers? Yes ( all the bloody same team? Wake, Afanassief, etc..; blablabla).

 

Job done.

 

PS : "Can you please make sure "Sorry for love" comes right after the 60s tune "At last" "? Just to make people cringe.

PS2 : The cover needs to reflect the content of the album.

We ended up with a cover which remains up to now the only cover (awful to me but who am I?) without any specific colour/tone. Just like the content of the album: a big big whatevaaaaaaaa

 

I'm quite sure Céline's success decline is due to this album ( it has begun with it anyhow). Too ambitious but without any risk/too long but with weak songs lacking of artistry.

 

Even Chuck Taylor from BB ( a big fan) said that "One heart" should have been the album of her come back. Light, colourful...it's far better as a whole. It has its own flaws but it works better for me (I would have taken out HYEBIL/SFL/CSW and made it a small EP just to support the Vegas Show)

The best would have been to mix both albums actually , excluding all the unneeded songs.

 

Yes, OH is better than ANDHC,TC and LMBTL. The sound is more modern and fresh (Reveal, Naked, Faith..) love it

Edited August 13, 2016 at 09:56 AM by comingback

[anewdayhascome]

Okay after yeaaaaars of complaining and hating OH suddenly it has become her best album while ANDHC got banished. Really? I have always enjoyed OH but saying that ANDHC is her worst is so out of the blue. Next step : FIY and LTAL will become her worst albums and everybody will praise Miracle. What is wrong with you people Edited August 13, 2016 at 10:20 AM by anewdayhascome

[MrTim212]

Okay after yeaaaaars of complaining and hating OH suddenly it has become her best album while ANDHC got banished. Really? I have always enjoyed OH but saying that ANDHC is her worst is so out of the blue. Next step : FIY and LTAL will become her worst albums and everybody will praise Miracle. What is wrong with you people

 

Don't you realise that her worst albums are: FIY, LTAL, D'eux and SISDA. Terrible vocals. Terrible songs.

 

BY FAR her best album vocally and in terms of song choice is 100% "A New Day... Live In Las Vegas." The live version of BYLM on there is ICONIC.

 

(Obviously I'm being BEYOND sarcastic lol)

 

 

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[enno2007]

Okay after yeaaaaars of complaining and hating OH suddenly it has become her best album while ANDHC got banished. Really? I have always enjoyed OH but saying that ANDHC is her worst is so out of the blue. Next step : FIY and LTAL will become her worst albums and everybody will praise Miracle. What is wrong with you people

 

The criticism of ANDHC does not come "out of the blue" and is obviously also not shared by everyone, so I don't see what you are talking about.

 

isurrender simply stated his view, a few people agreed, and that's it. I never liked the album that much and I am sure the same applies to those who feel the same. If you love ANDHC, that's fine - no need to get smart-arsey and snide.

[Javito]

Any chance of getting back to the orginal topic in which we were talking about the 3 new box sets just released!

 

What's more to talk about the umpteenth release of Sony that comprises the same old albums?

 

BTW, good, mediocre or bad album, it's funny and interesting that they mentioned ANDHC in Céline's latest TV appearance in Sucré Salé, in minute 10:30 (it's the only English album mentioned).

 

Somehow the general public and the media DO remember THIS album as something worth to mention when Céline does a TV show, and when they look back to the past in Céline's career and try to summarize her achievements.

 

Not so bad for an album that for some it's "bad" or "mediocre" and it's being currently bashed by her fans here

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOJbdk0wYM

Edited August 15, 2016 at 12:59 PM by Javito

[agentwigs]

I love ANDHC the only song I think is weak is Superlove - only because it sounds really dated now but I still enjoy it.

 

I'm surprised how critical fans on here are of Céline's work... I love listening to anything she puts her voice to. I'm not just saying that either... I'd listen to her singing her shopping list and still be happy!

Edited August 15, 2016 at 06:23 PM by agentwigs

[anewdayhascome]

The criticism of ANDHC does not come "out of the blue" and is obviously also not shared by everyone, so I don't see what you are talking about.

 

 

it's not out of the blue? I encourage you to explore this forum more. For years nobody complained with such hatred about this album

Edited August 15, 2016 at 06:36 PM by anewdayhascome

[enno2007]

it's not out of the blue? I encourage you to explore this forum more. For years nobody complained with such hatred about this album

 

There is no 'hatred' - how can you hate an album? It's a collection of music, with good and bad bits... And only very few people expressed critical views, so a silent majority may indeed think this is Celine's best album ever.

 

And I don't care how ANDHC was discussed on the forum, I was referring to what people thought of it, whether they discussed these views here or not. Your claim that the criticism came 'out of the blue' seemed however to imply that those who critique the album are somehow wipped up in an irrational frenzy and suddendly changed their minds. This is simply untrue.

[Leo]

Too many cooks spoil the broth. "A New Day Has Come" had the best cooks and ingredients but the result wasn't pleasant as a whole. It's not an album, but a collection of songs put together. They wanted songs for the show, songs to give her visibility so that she could sell tickets that were soon going on sale (the pop songs), she needed songs to keep her loyal fanbase who bought her previous albums full of ballads. As you all say, they tried to please everybody. I loved the album when it came out and couldn't get enough of it for at least six months. As I grew older, I realised that it isn't a great album, but the songs are great considered in isolation.

 

"One Heart" was conceived in the same direction, but geared towards pop. The same story with "Taking Chances" but geared towards rock this time.

 

Why do people keep saying that "I Surrender" is a David Foster production when he's not credited in the booklet?

[Javito]

Too many cooks spoil the broth. "A New Day Has Come" had the best cooks and ingredients but the result wasn't pleasant as a whole. It's not an album, but a collection of songs put together. They wanted songs for the show, songs to give her visibility so that she could sell tickets that were soon going on sale (the pop songs), she needed songs to keep her loyal fanbase who bought her previous albums full of ballads. As you all say, they tried to please everybody. I loved the album when it came out and couldn't get enough of it for at least six months. As I grew older, I realised that it isn't a great album, but the songs are great considered in isolation.

 

"One Heart" was conceived in the same direction, but geared towards pop. The same story with "Taking Chances" but geared towards rock this time.

 

Why do people keep saying that "I Surrender" is a David Foster production when he's not credited in the booklet?

 

Well you know I usually have agreed with you many times in the Spanish forum but I couldn't disagree more on most of what you say here.

 

If ANDHC for you is "not an album, but a collection of songs put together", I don't know what else can be other albums like "Loved Me Back To Life" or even the best-selling "Falling Into You". ANDHC is her most consistent English album, cohesive and coherent to herself that Celine has ever released. Why? Simply because all the songs were chosen thinking in one main event that happened in her life: motherhood. Giving life, being alive. Love. All in all, enjoying and celebrating life. If the sequence of songs included in ANDHC don't tell you that, from start to end, I think we're listening this album from very different perspectives and moods. From I'm Alive to Nature Boy lyrics, there's a link and a connection between all the songs that makes you enjoy the listening, at least for me... If that's not one of her most coherent albums, I don't know what else could be, among a widespread assortment of an English discography full of bumps and jumps between songs, producers and lyrics that openly clash one with another.

 

To me, there's no filler song in this album, or a song that I can say without any kind of hesitation that "it doesn't fit here" (well, maybe Rain, Tax, at most). You cannot stand for this with many more Céline albums

 

They wanted songs for the show, songs to give her visibility so that she could sell tickets that were soon going on sale (the pop songs), she needed songs to keep her loyal fanbase who bought her previous albums full of ballads

 

ANDHC recordings started in 2001, and A New Day started in 2003. I highly doubt they were thinking in Vegas when they started selecting and recording songs for this album in 2001 How could they rely the recording process of an album on a future show? Since when have Céline or René made an album project in view to its suitabiluty to be performed on the stage? Much when they have ignored most of the new songs of each album when she was doing a tour :hmm:Sorry, but to me that statement looks really untenable.

 

Besides, One Heart came in 2003 at the start of Vegas show, so there's no way they made ANDHC because they needed songs for the show, much more when ANDHC had a massive international promotion supported by most Sony Music branches worldwide, and even Sony thought the album promotion would continue through 2003... So Sony didn't even know what was going to happen with the album in late 2002 (and one thing is for sure, Sony was NOT thinking in Vegas at all with this album, that was the last thing that was in their heads). But finally they decided to release a "new" album instead with a new lead single (IDAN, which that one was indeed directly connected with the new Vegas show and the Chrysler sponsoring).

 

Why do people keep saying that "I Surrender" is a David Foster production when he's not credited in the booklet?

 

He produced the song, it is included in the album "The best of Celine Dion and David Foster"

 

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Edited August 17, 2016 at 02:01 PM by Javito

[SuperLove4Celine]

Fyi, "A New Day Has Come" wasn't even part of "A New Day..." when the show premiered. Furthermore, the show was originally going to be titled "Muse," but the music group of the same name made all sorts of obnoxious demands because of the similarities. So, the show was renamed/rebranded as "A New Day..." So, I HIGHLY doubt the songs chosen for the album, "A New Day Has Come," had anything to do with the Vegas show upon its creation. Edited August 17, 2016 at 03:22 PM by SuperLove4Celine