"A New Day Has Come" album - Official Topic

[québecflower]

You two are like old house wives

 

Kev x

hudbands would do also...

[celine4evauk]

hudbands would do also...

 

Compromise - an old married couple! 😊😄

[LukeD]

So what? Do you think your biased chart means can deny the evidence? That ANDHC was her last international success next with IDAN? Save you efforts, because every Celine Dion fan in this forum and out of it knows that ANDHC is one of the last songs that it is instantly recognizable as a Celine Dion "hit" on a worldwide level.

Or, put it this way, ANDHC is one of the most recent songs that non-fans can recognize as a hit single from Celine, and they will recognize this song almost virtually everywhere in the world. Because the single received worldwide radio airplay and was a success, you like it or not. Mention the singles that came after it and IDAN, like "You And I", "Taking Chances" or "Loved Me Back To Life", and half the planet (for not saying 3/4) did not even know that Céline recorded those songs. So please, don't make me laugh with each time you try to ridicule the song as if it was a mediocre hit because it simply wasn't.

 

So UK charts the song is "nowhere to be found" according to you... I'm not a fan of concentrating Céline's success mostly in the UK and US markets, but since you insist...

 

Singles UK

http://www.officialc...48/celine-dion/

 

A New Day Has Come (2002): Peak Position: 07; Number of weeks: 12

That's The Way It Is (1999): Peak Position: 12; Number of weeks: 13

I'm Alive (2002): Peak Position: 17; Number of weeks: 6

 

Albums UK

 

A New Day Has Come (2002): Peak Position: 01; Number of weeks: 27; Weeks No1: 4

Taking Chances (2007): Peak Position: 05; Number of weeks: 18; Weeks No1: 0

Loved Me Back To Life: Peak Position: 03; Number of weeks: 21; Weeks No1: 0

 

 

Billboard Hot 100 US

http://www.billboard...rt?page=1&f=379

 

A New Day Has Come (2002): Peak Position: 22; Number of weeks: 20

I Drove All Night (2003): Peak Position: 45; Number of weeks: 3

Taking Chances (2007): Peak Position: 54; Number of weeks: 3

(Loved Me Back To Life did not even make it to the list)

 

Billboard ALBUM Charts US

http://www.billboard...ion/chart?f=305

 

A New Day Has Come (2002): Peak Position: NUMBER 1; Number of weeks on chart: 60

 

France

http://lescharts.com... Has Come&cat=s

 

A New Day Has Come: Peak Position: 23; Number of weeks: 16.

 

 

Looks like someone didn't do his homework once again, just to ridicule me?

 

Now please go and bash the song and the album somewhere else with your "delusional" and biased information :rolleyes:

Biased charts? These were the official year-end charts! And #23 in France with no certification? Thanx for proving my point.

 

ANDHC sold 900k worldwide and is not among the best selling singles of the decade nor the year-end singles in ANY major market.

 

It got certifications in: Argentina, Norway and Australia and that's it. Only 3 markets on a global scale!

 

It is a modest worldwide hit by all means, not a major hit. And the fact that Celine had no better single release after ANDHC does not make the song more successful.

 

Get real.

Edited June 7, 2016 at 12:14 AM by LukeD

[nuts2you]

Luke , how did they do in the states,

[LukeD]

Luke , how did they do in the states,

The single peaked at #22 and sold a bit more than 400k which is why it got no certification. It would need to sell over 500k to be Gold. However, it was a smash hit on AC charts reaching #1 and staying there for 21 weeks! AC radios burnt the song! Overall, it was a modest hit, being the 91th most popular song in US for 2002.

 

The album debuted at #1 but droped next week never coming back. It had no staying power and sold 3.5m (3xPlatinum). So it was successful, but not a smash seller.

 

^ For all this you can check the links I posted before. They are very detailed and contain official info.

Edited June 7, 2016 at 12:15 AM by LukeD

[LukeD]

You two are like old house wives

 

Kev x

hudbands would do also...

Compromise - an old married couple! ����

It is coming... In 3, 2, 1... Edited June 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM by LukeD

[incognito]

ANDHC is a great song. There's no accounting for taste.

[LukeD]

Sorry if anyone gets the impression I dislike the album or the song. It's easily my #2 favorite Celine album and I have nothing but praisings for the material.

[incognito]

Sorry if anyone gets the impression I dislike the album or the song. It's easily my #2 favorite Celine album and I have nothing but praisings for the material.

 

I dislike the album.

[LukeD]

I dislike the album.

Why?

 

Personally, if a non-fan asked me to suggest an album that reflects Celine as an English artist then this album would be ANDHC!

Edited June 7, 2016 at 01:42 AM by LukeD

[incognito]

Why?

 

Personally, if a non-fan asked me to suggest an album that reflects Celine as an English artist the most then this album would be ANDHC!

 

Superlove & Rain, Tax are awful songs.

[LukeD]

Superlove & Rain, Tax are awful songs.

Super Love was not even released in your country! I guess these two songs kill the album for you. Like rain and tax, it was inevitable.

[incognito]

Super Love was not even released in your country! I guess these two songs kill the album for you. Like rain and tax, it was inevitable.

 

 

Super Love was on the UK version. I lived in England for 28 years.

[LukeD]

Super Love was on the UK version. I lived in England for 28 years.

What about the rest of the album though? I Surrender, Sorry For Love, Aun Existe Amor, The Greatest Reward, I'm Alive...

[incognito]

What about the rest of the album though? I Surrender, Sorry For Love, Aun Existe Amor, The Greatest Reward, I'm Alive...

 

Sorry For Love...hate it. I'm Alive makes me cringe.

 

Pop music isn't my thing at all.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Sorry For Love...hate it. I'm Alive makes me cringe.

 

Pop music isn't my thing at all.

 

Pop music isn't your thing? Then why on Earth are you a Celine Dion fan??!!! She's a POP singer!!

Edited June 7, 2016 at 04:49 AM by couldawouldashoulda

[Javito]

Biased charts? These were the official year-end charts! And #23 in France with no certification? Thanx for proving my point.

 

ANDHC sold 900k worldwide and is not among the best selling singles of the decade nor the year-end singles in ANY major market.

 

It got certifications in: Argentina, Norway and Australia and that's it. Only 3 markets on a global scale!

 

It is a modest worldwide hit by all means, not a major hit. And the fact that Celine had no better single release after ANDHC does not make the song more successful.

 

Get real.

 

So I just said that ANDHC was one of her last major success at a worldwide level, one of her last singles that can be instantly recognized by the general public as a Céline single that received massive radio airplay, and you come to mix chart positions with SALES. Well, it's you who brought up sales to prove your "point". I didn't. Because sales are not the only decissive variable to measure the success of a single, dear. There's also something called "radio airplay", and ANDHC did receive a little something. Besides, charts are loaded with songs that got #1 positions and the single didn't get impressive sales.

 

And you come to call ANDHC a "modest" hit in a year where piracy started to have free rein and strike at ease everywhere.

 

ANDHC sold 900k worldwide and is not among the best selling singles of the decade nor the year-end singles in ANY major market.

 

So according to you if it's not "among the best selling singles of the DECADE (wow!) nor the yeard-end singles in any market then the song it's just not a hit? As radical as that you go eh? So there are no middle points for you, either the song has to be among the best selling singles of a (let me inhale for this) decade (!!!) or the single was then mediocre, modest or unsuccessful, right? What were you looking for, another MHWGO bombastic hit, dear?

Then I suppose no Celine Dion song can be called a "decent", "major" hit anymore for you, compared with MWHGO, because it didn't get to be "among the best songs of the decade" Poor Celine, she only managed to get one single to be considered as one of the most radio played singles not in a decade but in music history; the rest is just a bunch of modest songs which didn't go anywhere in radios and she never got any more memorable and worldwide hits given that they didn't make to be considered as best singles of a whole TEN-YEAR span :teary:

 

 

 

It is a modest worldwide hit by all means, not a major hit. And the fact that Celine had no better single release after ANDHC does not make the song more successful.

 

Phhhlease don't make me laugh more :mdr: So if ANDHC was a "modest" hit for you, what was "That's The Way It Is", which got lower positions in Billboard for example, and didn't get to #1 in some countries where ANDHC did??? I suggest you stop calling this song a "modest" hit

Edited June 7, 2016 at 07:57 AM by Davey84
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[LukeD]

So I just said that ANDHC was one of her last major success at a worldwide level, one of her last singles that can be instantly recognized by the general public as a Céline single that received massive radio airplay, and you come to mix chart positions with SALES. Well, it's you who brought up sales to prove your "point". I didn't. Because sales are not the only decissive variable to measure the success of a single, dear. There's also something called "radio airplay", and ANDHC did receive a little something. Besides, charts are loaded with songs that got #1 positions and the single didn't get impressive sales.

 

And you come to call ANDHC a "modest" hit in a year where piracy started to have free rein and strike at ease everywhere.

 

 

So according to you if it's not "among the best selling singles of the DECADE (wow!) nor the yeard-end singles in any market then the song it's just not a hit? As radical as that you go eh? So there are no middle points for you, either the song has to be among the best selling singles of a (let me inhale for this) decade (!!!) or the single was then mediocre, modest or unsuccessful, right?

 

 

Phhhlease don't make me laugh more :mdr: So if ANDHC was a "modest" hit for you, what was "That's The Way It Is", which got lower positions in Billboard for example, and didn't get to #1 in some countries where ANDHC did??? I suggest you stop calling this song a "modest" hit

ANDHC was released physically in every major market so its success is measured by its sales and certifications.

 

Piracy affected album sales, hence singers have been able to score multi-platinum singles even during the 00s and this decade too. Albums? Not so much.

 

It is not my fault you have comprehension issues. Yes ANDHC is not among the best selling singles of the decade, nor a part of year-end charts which is why it is a MODEST HIT. Can you read? I said HIT. And to call a song modest hit means it is levels above the unsuccessful ones so don't put words in my mouth.

 

TTWII was not released physically in key markets, United States for example. However, it charted high due to airplay alone and even managed to sell a bit more than 1.2m. It is a smash radio hit, her last big hit as a matter of fact. I highly suggest you read the Billboard chart rules.

 

 

Edited June 7, 2016 at 07:58 AM by Davey84
Keep it friendly!

[Javito]

TTWII was not released physically in key markets, United States for example. However, it charted high due to airplay alone and even managed to sell a bit more than 1.2m. It is a smash radio hit, her last big hit as a matter of fact. I highly suggest you read the Billboard chart rules.

 

I have never made a fool of myself in this forum because I speak with facts. Wish I could say the same for you.

 

This is how informed you are:

 

Commercial singles for That's The Way It Is released and manufactured in the US:

 

That's The Way It Is

Format: Maxi CD single (double single with "I Want You To Need Me")

Release date: 1 August, 2000

Cat #: 46K 79473

Still on sale on Amazon US: https://www.amazon.c...s the way it is

 

That's The Way It Is

Format: Maxi 12" vinyl single

Release date: 1 August 2000

Cat #: 46 79473

 

 

Edited June 7, 2016 at 07:55 AM by Davey84
Keep it friendly!

[LukeD]

This is how informed you are:

 

Commercial singles for That's The Way It Is released and manufactured in the US:

 

That's The Way It Is

Format: Maxi CD single (double single with "I Want You To Need Me")

Release date: 1 August, 2000

Cat #: 46K 79473

Still on sale on Amazon US: https://www.amazon.c...s the way it is

 

That's The Way It Is

Format: Maxi 12" vinyl single

Release date: 1 August 2000

Cat #: 46 79473

 

Speaking about facts :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

TTWII was released in United States physically 9 MONTHS (1 August 2000 according to YOUR OWN post) after its original release on radio!

 

The peak of #6 was due to airplay alone. So I was right in my initial point that despite the lack of a physical release the song reached #6 in US.

 

Yes, this is how informed I am.

Edited June 7, 2016 at 07:58 AM by LukeD
Keep it friendly!

[Celine Fan 77]

Gosh, who needs 'Desperate Housewives' when we can watch you both?

[Davey84]

ENOUGH! Next one who posts anything dissing the other one, will get a warning!

[LukeD]

And again, this is what you said:

 

 

 

Re read what you said and stick to that. Guess there's someone else having comprehension issues here

 

Thanks for giving us another great display of how manipulative you can be

In my first comment I said TTWII wasn't released physically in US and despite that it still managed to reach #6 on BB Hot 100. Why did you hide this second phrase?

 

The later physical release of TTWII does not contradict what I said as this release took place 9 months after the peak of the song. Which is what I was talking about.

Edited June 7, 2016 at 08:10 AM by LukeD

[Javito]

Of course, now comes the part when you link your first WRONG post with a second one (written later) to try correct your first wrong affirmation: "TTWII was not released physically in key markets, United States for example." And full stop. The continuation of your sentence didn't amend in any way what you wrongly said about the single not having a physically release, which I proved you were so wrong and mistaken

 

Keep manipulating....... At this point is showing off more and more how you like to manipulate everything in order to prove you're right (when you're clearly mistaken) and you LOVE to have the last word in everything

Edited June 7, 2016 at 08:14 AM by Javito

[LukeD]

Of course, now comes the part when you link your first WRONG post with a second one (written later) to try correct your first wrong affirmation: "TTWII was not released physically in key markets, United States for example." And full stop. The continuation of your sentence didn't amend in any way what you wrongly said about the single not having a physically release, which I proved you were so wrong and mistaken

 

Keep manipulating....... At this point is showing off more and more how you like to manipulate everything in order to prove you're right (when you're clearly mistaken) and you LOVE to have the last word in everything

You talked about TTWII and its peak positions so I replied about its PEAK POSITION. Aka the period TTWII was released. On radios. With no physical release to help it chart higher. Why would I bring up its August release when you were the one to talk about its chart performance/success? It had nothing to do with it! And the point, that you say nothing about, is that the song was successful on charts despite the lack of a physical release. Which proves why it is a smash hit. Edited June 7, 2016 at 08:40 AM by LukeD

[celinesounds]

Super love is a great song, but got the wrong production Edited June 7, 2016 at 08:54 AM by celinesounds

[LukeD]

Super love is a great song, but got the wrong production

I agree. @ 1.49 when they repeat ''knockin' knockin' knockin' '' the edit is not good. It's like they have cut a syllable.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B07jeAqV3J8

 

At first I thought my CD had the problem... like a scratch that affected this part...!

Edited June 7, 2016 at 09:05 AM by LukeD

[Javito]

You talked about TTWII and its peak positions so I replied about its PEAK POSITION. Aka the period TTWII was released. On radios. With no physical release to help it chart higher. Why would I bring up its August release when you were the one to talk about its chart performance/success? It had nothing to do with it! And the point, that you say nothing about, is that the song was successful on charts despite the lack of a physical release. Which proves why it is a smash hit.

 

I brought TTWII and other singles that charted before and after ANDHC for the sole purpose of showing you that ANDHC was much more than a "modest hit", as you call it. And I talked about chart performances since the information you provided to support your point about ANDHC being a "modest hit" was a series of links to charts in the US, UK and France. So I didn't came with the charts, it was you. That's fine. But I've been a fan enough time to know when was the last Celine Dion single that was at the same time successful on a worldwide level, well promoted and received radio airplay virtually everywhere in the globe, and ANDHC was one of them (though not the last, fortunately). I didn't came with sales either (which is not the only factor to determine the success of a single).

 

Yes, TTWII was greatly successful on charts, and a smash hit, when did I say the contrary? What I don't understand is why you consider TTWII a "smash hit" (which I agree), and you wouldn't give the same treatment to ANDHC, which was at #22 with 20 weeks on charts, while TTWII was only 8 more weeks than ANDHC.

 

In other words: singles like Love Can Move Mountains and I Drove All Night are way behind ANDHC in the list: would you call them "modest hits", for songs that have been included and performed to death in all her concerts since its release? Or Think Twice, which is at #95 at the end of the list, would you call it a "modest hit", when it was one of Céline's biggest success in the UK, and #1 in more than 8 countries?? Does the #95 in the US take less success to the eight #1's in other countries, including the UK? Things are not black or white nor as radical as you always expose them, dear.

 

All in all, if Billboard includes this song considering it a hit in its HOT 100 list (a list with "the most popular songs across all genres, ranked by radio airplay adience impressions" according to the definition they give), why you would call it a "modest hit" then? It's clearly more than that, much more. But you need maybe a little more perspective

 

And just in case you try to manipulate my post, I'm talking about US charts because YOU made reference to the US chart and its positions first. However in other main markets as the UK the ANDHC single performed even better than TTWII: ANDHC peak position was #7 while TTWII was #12

Edited June 7, 2016 at 09:35 AM by Javito

[LukeD]

I brought TTWII and other singles that charted before and after ANDHC for the sole purpose of showing you that ANDHC was much more than a "modest hit", as you call it. And I talked about chart performances since the information you provided to support your point about ANDHC being a "modest hit" was a series of links to charts in the US, UK and France. So I didn't came with the charts, it was you. That's fine. But I've been a fan enough time to know when was the last Celine Dion single that was at the same time successful on a worldwide level, well promoted and received radio airplay virtually everywhere in the globe, and ANDHC was one of them (though not the last, fortunately). I didn't came with sales either (which is not the only factor to determine the success of a single).

 

Yes, TTWII was greatly successful on charts, and a smash hit, when did I say the contrary? What I don't understand is why you consider TTWII a "smash hit" (which I agree), and you wouldn't give the same treatment to ANDHC, which was at #22 with 20 weeks on charts, while TTWII was only 8 more weeks than ANDHC.

 

All in all, if Billboard includes this song considering it a hit in its HOT 100 list (a list with "the most popular songs across all genres, ranked by radio airplay adience impressions" according to the definition they give), why you would call it a "mediocre hit" then?

 

And just in case you try to manipulate my post, I'm talking about US charts because YOU made reference to the US chart and its positions first. However in other main markets as the UK the ANDHC single performed even better than TTWII: ANDHC peak position was #7 while TTWII was #12

Comparing TTWII to ANDHC is like comparing apples and oranges. For the simple reason that TTWII was sent to radios with no physical release unlike ANDHC. Despite missing the US market, TTWII sold worldwide more than ANDHC. As far as airplay is concerned, TTWII was cycled over 500k times in North America, while similar info is non-existent for ANDHC.

 

Outside United States TTWII has been more successful getting certifications in Belgium, Australia, France, Sweeden, Germany. In UK ANDHC was slightly more successful not because it peaked at #7 (peak positions mean nothing unless they are backed up by actual sales) but because it indeed sold slightly more than TTWII.

 

When we are talking about physical singles airplay means very little. Radio deals exist since before we were born (NOT implying there was a radio deal), and also radios ban singers despite their popularity. The only accurate measurement of whether a song is successful or not is its sales. Things are different for radio singles of course. Then airplay is the only criterion.

 

I have called ANDHC modest. Not mediocre. Global sales of 900k and ''major/big'' hit simply don't go together. And this is the case for every song of every artist.

Edited June 7, 2016 at 09:44 AM by LukeD

[Javito]

Comparing TTWII to ANDHC is like comparing apples and oranges. For the simple reason that TTWII was sent to radios with no physical release unlike ANDHC.

 

Wrong again. TTWII single was physically sent to radios for promotion, the same way as ANDHC did

 

That's The Way It Is

 

Format: promo CD single, jewelcase

Cat. No: BSK 46423

Label: 550 Music/EPIC

 

http://www.powerofthemusic.com/thats%20the.html

 

This was released and sent to radios for promotion in the US Back in 1999, how stupid would have been Sony Music if they had missed the chance to send a physical CD single of this song to radios? Not to mention that physical singles were the main way to promote songs in radios those days, since emailing mp3 and digital files (as they do today) was a distribution tool amost inexistent then!