Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[celine28]

Really don't get why she's not (been) using her own home in Paris....

Unless she loves the attention/publicity too much

 

I've always wondered that too. I always thought it was a "fake news" that she owns it but when she sold it, there were articles about it spreading on the web so guess it was true after all : https://www.dirt.com/more-dirt/real-estate-listings/celine-dion-paris-mansion-for-sale-1203492632/

 

But I wonder when René and her used to stay in that home, because since 1995, each time she came in Paris, she was in Georges V or Hotel de Crillon. Maybe they used it during vacations times when she wanted no publicity ? Or maybe it was just an investment ?

[stone]

I’m thinking because during Rene and I guess post Rene, the entire country, but obviously Paris is such a massive and important market for the Celine brand and especially for her consistent touring sell-outs. Probably makes sense for her to stay at hotel with staff, added 24/7 security, the PR and publicity…especially when she’s only there for a week or 2 (post Rene longer).

[CSCfan]

Thought she sold it, no? Wasn't there some news piece about that a few years ago?

The apartment in Paris (along with every other house except the one in Henderson) was sold after Rene passed.

 

Yeah it was put on the market (in 2017), but have we seen any updates on whether it was actually sold?

I've seen some *recent* articles still mentioning the Paris mansion..

[Angel2006]

To me it was always interesting that she never had a house in LA or NYC, or that she spent much more time in Paris or at a home in the South of France, say.

 

Maybe she loves luxury hotels.

 

I remember that someone posted on this forum once that they were on a tour bus in Los Angeles and the tour guide pointed over at the Sierra Towers, which is famous luxurious 31 story high rise condominium building in West Hollywood, California that a lot of celebs have condos at and they said that Celine owns a condo. I don't know how true that is, but if so then Celine own a condo in West Hollywood at least. There are probably many places she secretly has that we don't know about.

[PuraVida]

I remember that someone posted on this forum once that they were on a tour bus in Los Angeles and the tour guide pointed over at the Sierra Towers, which is famous luxurious 31 story high rise condominium building in West Hollywood, California that a lot of celebs have condos at and they said that Celine owns a condo. I don't know how true that is, but if so then Celine own a condo in West Hollywood at least. There are probably many places she secretly has that we don't know about.

 

deep cut reference, i like that. yeah who knows.

[scielle]

I wonder how much of a loss she's taking on some of these properties... The Florida mansion was eventually sold for far, far less than asking price, as was the Ile Gagnon residence. And she sold Le Mirage, too.

All these eye-popping concert grosses lead many to believe she's rolling in $$, but reality is many people you think are super rich or are rich on paper, are actually terrible about managing their money and often teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. I've seen this time and time again through my work.

I hope that's not the case with Celine but let's not forget Rene was a guy who went bankrupt (twice?) and the Deloitte review of her finances (see the ICM case) suggests he may have made some deals that aren't particular financially savvy. It's easy to overlook this when the $ is rolling in, but when it dries up (say, when she's not performing around the clock), some of those cracks may start showing.

All conjecture on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those real estate investments cost hear dearly.

[Dancing_Queen]

I did read that Summerlin real estate prices went up 25% in 2022 compared to the year before, so I do hope/assume she made a profit on that specific property at least.

[PuraVida]

I wonder how much of a loss she's taking on some of these properties... The Florida mansion was eventually sold for far, far less than asking price, as was the Ile Gagnon residence. And she sold Le Mirage, too.

All these eye-popping concert grosses lead many to believe she's rolling in $$, but reality is many people you think are super rich or are rich on paper, are actually terrible about managing their money and often teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. I've seen this time and time again through my work.

I hope that's not the case with Celine but let's not forget Rene was a guy who went bankrupt (twice?) and the Deloitte review of her finances (see the ICM case) suggests he may have made some deals that aren't particular financially savvy. It's easy to overlook this when the $ is rolling in, but when it dries up (say, when she's not performing around the clock), some of those cracks may start showing.

All conjecture on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those real estate investments cost hear dearly.

 

Well these mega mansion projects are riskier than most. Buying flats or homes in NYC, Paris, LA, or London would have paid off much more.

 

But housing prices in the USA are rising a ton. And if I'm not wrong, one thing Rene did was make sure they earned like 20 - 30% of a song royalties (or some revenue stream usually reserved for the songwriters)...whatever it was, the total was higher than artists usually get and to me that seems like it would have gained her a lot more money.

[scielle]

And if I'm not wrong, one thing Rene did was make sure they earned like 20 - 30% of a song royalties (or some revenue stream usually reserved for the songwriters)...whatever it was, the total was higher than artists usually get and to me that seems like it would have gained her a lot more money.

 

If so, that's not any different than many performers with leverage today, who negotiate a control percentage of publishing royalties even if they had very minor contributions to the actual songwriting. Back in the day, most songwriters had 100% control, maybe 50% if say it was a Lennon/ McCartney situation. Now it's not uncommon to have 10+ people in in the pot and control percentages of something like 8% - and that's often a negotiated number.

Or it could have functioned akin to a finder's fee or override (which is a portion of NPS, or net publisher's share, that goes to some other party - other than the actual songwriter, that is). Also not uncommon, and these would only last for the term of the particular publishing deal (say, 3-5 years or something like that), not in perpetuity.

I'm sure he negotiated some good deals for her when she was the hottest thing in the recording business and had leverage. Much like Dua Lipa or Ariana or Drake or Adele's management can negotiate for their clients now. But you only get terms like that when you're a hot commodity, and these deals all have a finite term and shift into something much more label-friendly when the artist's commercial and thus negotiating power fades.

Edited May 19, 2022 at 05:48 AM by scielle

[PuraVida]

If so, that's not any different than many performers with leverage today, who negotiate a control percentage of publishing royalties even if they had very minor contributions to the actual songwriting. Back in the day, most songwriters had 100% control, maybe 50% if say it was a Lennon/ McCartney situation. Now it's not uncommon to have 10+ people in in the pot and control percentages of something like 8% - and that's often a negotiated number.

Or it could have functioned akin to a finder's fee or override (which is a portion of NPS, or net publisher's share, that goes to some other party - other than the actual songwriter, that is). Also not uncommon, and these would only last for the term of the particular publishing deal (say, 3-5 years or something like that), not in perpetuity.

I'm sure he negotiated some good deals for her when she was the hottest thing in the recording business and had leverage. Much like Dua Lipa or Ariana or Drake or Adele's management can negotiate for their clients now. But you only get terms like that when you're a hot commodity, and these deals all have a finite term and shift into something much more label-friendly when the artist's commercial and thus negotiating power fades.

 

all i remember is it was more than typical, so it seems that Rene was setting celine up in a good way.

[DionFanAlways]

all i remember is it was more than typical, so it seems that Rene was setting celine up in a good way.

True he may have set her up but still she has to know how to manage it. I think things can go sour quickly. Just my thought.

[scielle]

And I suspect his gambling didn't help their financial situation...

[AdrienneM]

Glad to see we have reached the stage of Celine deprivation where it seems everyone has become a financial/equity wizard and has personal knowledge of Celines apparent failing finances…. Jesus Christ 🙄

[scielle]

Glad to see we have reached the stage of Celine deprivation where it seems everyone has become a financial/equity wizard and has personal knowledge of Celines apparent failing finances…. Jesus Christ

 

I don't think anyone here claimed anything of the kind. In fact, we're very explicitly stating it's mere conjecture, suspicion & the like.

 

But yes, there's certainly a dearth of activity and an unquestionable level of Celine deprivation!

[Chantemoi]

But you only get terms like that when you're a hot commodity, and these deals all have a finite term and shift into something much more label-friendly when the artist's commercial and thus negotiating power fades.

 

So you’re saying it’s a possibility-hypothetically- that she earns lower royalties than she did in her prime, for songs she recorded back then?

 

Or are you saying her negotiations are more limited now (for new projects) versus then?

[Nmj]

If Celine retires to a home worth 10 million USD versus one worth 77 million USD, she’ll be fine lol.

 

Plus team Celine is still gonna sell those heart of the ocean necklace knockoffs made from plastic until Nelson and eddy have great grandchildren.

Edited May 19, 2022 at 05:55 PM by Nmj

[SuperLove4Celine]

If Celine retires to a home worth 10 million USD versus one worth 77 million USD, she’ll be fine lol.

 

Plus team Celine is still gonna sell those heart of the ocean necklace knockoffs made from plastic until Nelson and eddy have great grandchildren.

 

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[Peppercorn1991]

 

 

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Your joking right? That’s too much of an original idea! Don’t get your hopes up

 

Kev x

[PuraVida]

I think Celine would've done way more advertisements and ad campaigns over the years if she needed the money. We haven't seen that. Meanwhile Mariah is out there hawking McDonald's and whiskey....

[Nmj]

I think Celine would've done way more advertisements and ad campaigns over the years if she needed the money. We haven't seen that. Meanwhile Mariah is out there hawking McDonald's and whiskey....

 

 

She also has Mariah cookies… oh lord that reminds me it’s about 6.5 months until she’s thawed for her Christmas season.

Edited May 23, 2022 at 04:41 PM by Nmj

[SuperLove4Celine]

I think Celine would've done way more advertisements and ad campaigns over the years if she needed the money. We haven't seen that. Meanwhile Mariah is out there hawking McDonald's and whiskey....

 

“It’s All Coming Back To Me Now” was used to sell all-you-can-eat crap at Applebee’s. So, your attempted shade towards Mariah is pretty petty and misguided.

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

“It’s All Coming Back To Me Now” was used to sell all-you-can-eat crap at Applebee’s. So, your attempted shade towards Mariah is pretty petty and misguided.

 

The difference is Celine wasn't using Applebee's to try and sell an album or song. The restaurant payed to use the song and she cashed in (if she even makes much money off of stuff like that). That gum brand also used the song and I actually quite liked that commercial.

 

A more comparable situation is Celine doing that Instagram commercial. But that's more on "brand" than appearing on every McDonalds drive-thru menu. No shade to Mariah it just is what it is (Celine's Chrysler ads were a bit cringe too imo). I agree that if Celine really needed the money she'd put herself out there more for promo. Not so much for albums but definitely to promote the tours/residencies.

 

But regardless, I really doubt Celine's bank account is being stretched thin lol. Her finances are her problem, I honestly couldn't care less.

[PuraVida]

"It's All Coming Back To Me Now" was used to sell all-you-can-eat crap at Applebee's. So, your attempted shade towards Mariah is pretty petty and misguided.

 

People can buy the rights to use the songs and Celine has no say in that.

 

Meanwhile, Mariah is actively putting her time, face, and energy into selling/marketing given products. Quite surprised that difference isn't obvious.

[mirage]

There was a time celine even promoted some vitamins if I remember well

 

 

 

People can buy the rights to use the songs and Celine has no say in that.

 

Meanwhile, Mariah is actively putting her time, face, and energy into selling/marketing given products. Quite surprised that difference isn't obvious.

[Ukrfan]

Could someone kindly explain the versatile water bottle reference? I see it all the time but don't know what it is about.

[PuraVida]

There was a time celine even promoted some vitamins if I remember well

 

I could use some Vitamin Dion right about now!

[nuts2you]

a little off topic here , But I was just watching a YT Video of KISS the rock band , where they would have live sound check and you could ask questions to band while rehearsling for that night show, I would Love if celine would do something like that with US diehard fans ,,

[No1IrishFan]

Tonight should have been the first show of the European leg.

 

We had a few big gigs announced here in Dublin yesterday. Justin Bieber and Bruce Springsteen. Both happening around the same time as Celines new Dublin dates. I can’t get excited by the CWT relaunch as no one knows what will happen.

[Dancing_Queen]

Have been a bit sad all day thinking about what should have been...Had a front row ticket for Birmingham and everything.

I really miss her presence 😞

Edited May 25, 2022 at 09:09 AM by Dancing_Queen

[Nmj]

Could someone kindly explain the versatile water bottle reference? I see it all the time but don't know what it is about.

 

 

Around the 5 min mark.