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Aggressive and whiny. If there are people who seriously think that posting that is going to make the entire team that is Celine Dion change the tour...I just have to smack my damn head. The tour is what it is. LET IT GO. If you don't like it, don't buy a ticket to it. If you bought a ticket before knowing what the tour was going to be like, sell your ticket - there are plenty of people who will want it. The freaking tour is selling out everywhere - WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE IT???!!!!! Because a (very) few spoiled, entitled fans think they're owed the kind of show that they want? I'm laughing my #ss off. You people, sometimes. You just can't accept what is given to you. Always "MORE MORE MORE" and "NOT GOOD ENOUGH!"

This. And the public at large reading those "fan demands" will think her fanbase is made up of crying 8 to 12 year-old girls. :lmao:
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Of course you will enjoy yourself! of course I will enjoy myself! that is not the point. The point is that like you said the setlist has too many unnecessary covers, but it also has the same old hits for decades now. It is such a shame, because Céline had way more HITS in her career. And I don't believe for a second general audience will be outraged if they'd hear ANDHC instead of TTWII, Ashes instead of TP, or WIFIL instead of BATB. I get that she has to sing the hits, but it doesn't have to be the same hits show after show, tour after tour.

 

 

I think this article is still one of the main reasons a lot of fans are pissed off about the setlist:

 

https://www.journald...t-bien-commence

 

«C’est vraiment plus gros que ce qu’on a fait depuis quelques années, a-t-elle commenté, quelques heures avant la toute première répétition générale du spectacle, qui devait se dérouler mercredi soir. Il y a beaucoup, beaucoup de choses qu’on n’a jamais faites.»

 

What exactly are the things they have never done before?? Because I see nothing new!

 

«Céline a toujours de nouvelles idées, laisse tomber Scott Price. Elle est encore arrivée hier soir avec une idée de nouvelle chanson à inclure dans un medley. Elle est dans un mode très créatif en ce moment. [...] C’est le fun pour nous. On la sent effervescente.»

 

It's sad that apparently Céline's creativity only came to cover songs in a medley, instead of showcasing new wonderful songs from her last album.

 

Tout le monde s’est impliqué dans la sélection des chansons, dont plusieurs ont été dépoussiérées, révèle Scott Price. «On a eu des meetings qui duraient jusqu’à trois heures du matin. Parfois, elle dit : “on va écouter toutes mes chansons”! Et on redécouvre des petits bijoux.»

 

Seriously what TF happened if they had long long sessions till early morning and yet they come up with a lame extract of the live 2018 show (that was already a lame extract if the wonderful 2017 show). And I guess she had the idea to listen to all her songs, but clearly they did not because no small gems were discovered or added to the show...

 

I said it before many times, Scott was so promising in 2015. He made some great musical changes to Celine and the 2016 and the 2017 shows were divine. But after the Live 2017 tour, nothing exciting really happened or it stayed too long (You're The Voice) or it got removed (Ashes).

Ok this is going to sound like I'm some kind of Scott defender but, let's put it this way, an employee can only do so much as the BOSS allows. Do you really think he has the power to say, suggest, 'hey let's cut LD and keep The Voice' ? I don't, I don't think anyone does except the boss.
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Of course you will enjoy yourself! of course I will enjoy myself! that is not the point. The point is that like you said the setlist has too many unnecessary covers, but it also has the same old hits for decades now. It is such a shame, because Céline had way more HITS in her career. And I don't believe for a second general audience will be outraged if they'd hear ANDHC instead of TTWII, Ashes instead of TP, or WIFIL instead of BATB. I get that she has to sing the hits, but it doesn't have to be the same hits show after show, tour after tour.

 

 

I think this article is still one of the main reasons a lot of fans are pissed off about the setlist:

 

https://www.journald...t-bien-commence

 

«C’est vraiment plus gros que ce qu’on a fait depuis quelques années, a-t-elle commenté, quelques heures avant la toute première répétition générale du spectacle, qui devait se dérouler mercredi soir. Il y a beaucoup, beaucoup de choses qu’on n’a jamais faites.»

 

What exactly are the things they have never done before?? Because I see nothing new!

 

«Céline a toujours de nouvelles idées, laisse tomber Scott Price. Elle est encore arrivée hier soir avec une idée de nouvelle chanson à inclure dans un medley. Elle est dans un mode très créatif en ce moment. [...] C’est le fun pour nous. On la sent effervescente.»

 

It's sad that apparently Céline's creativity only came to cover songs in a medley, instead of showcasing new wonderful songs from her last album.

 

Tout le monde s’est impliqué dans la sélection des chansons, dont plusieurs ont été dépoussiérées, révèle Scott Price. «On a eu des meetings qui duraient jusqu’à trois heures du matin. Parfois, elle dit : “on va écouter toutes mes chansons”! Et on redécouvre des petits bijoux.»

 

Seriously what TF happened if they had long long sessions till early morning and yet they come up with a lame extract of the live 2018 show (that was already a lame extract if the wonderful 2017 show). And I guess she had the idea to listen to all her songs, but clearly they did not because no small gems were discovered or added to the show...

 

I said it before many times, Scott was so promising in 2015. He made some great musical changes to Celine and the 2016 and the 2017 shows were divine. But after the Live 2017 tour, nothing exciting really happened or it stayed too long (You're The Voice) or it got removed (Ashes).

Sure maybe they haven't completely delivered on what they talked about but it doesn't mean fans have to bring this up on social media as if it's a Criminal Tour Court Proceeding. Fans feel so entitled. Baby should now be Babies. :lol:
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I don't see how asking a singer you love and admire to sing more songs from her last album is such a bad thing?

 

It's not a boycott, it's not a demand...

 

:shrug:

 

 

Sure maybe they haven't completely delivered on what they talked about but it doesn't mean fans have to bring this up on social media as if it's a Criminal Tour Court Proceeding. Fans feel so entitled. Baby should now be Babies. :lol:

 

If only she sang Baby, we would have less to complain about :P :P :P

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Ok this is going to sound like I'm some kind of Scott defender but, let's put it this way, an employee can only do so much as the BOSS allows. Do you really think he has the power to say, suggest, 'hey let's cut LD and keep The Voice' ? I don't, I don't think anyone does except the boss.

 

As a musical director I think and assume that yes he has some kind of power to do so. He's hired to do so!

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I don't see how asking a singer you love and admire to sing more songs from her last album is such a bad thing?

 

It's not a boycott, it's not a demand...

 

:shrug:

 

 

Correct, it's not a boycott. But it IS a demand. She is allowed to sing whatever she wants even if we don't agree with it.

I'd also be pleased if she sang more songs from Courage, but I won't start nagging her on social media about it. I'm sure she knows what the reaction from hardcore fans has been (about the setlist). I don't see why people need to bring this up on social media. Many people ARE very happy about the setlist so why rain on their parade?

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As a musical director I think and assume that yes he has some kind of power to do so. He's hired to do so!

Trust me I see your point but if the CEO, BOSS, owner of the business, head hancho is resistant then it ain’t happening. :)
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Yes, but IS she "THE" boss? Because she's mentioned quite a number of times she loves the songs on the new album, that she doesn't really like to perform all the hits anymore, that she wants to do songs she has never or rarely performed live, etc. etc. And everytime her/their reasoning is: "because the fans want to hear the hits". Well this is us, the fans, telling her we do love her big hits, but we also LOVE her other hits and other songs from her repertoire as much! Basically we want the same as what she wants, but "something" is preventing her to do that. Is it someone in her team/AEG telling her she needs to stick to the same songs for 20 years? It it Rene's voice inside her head? What is it?

I completely understand what y’all are saying but we will never know what “it” is. But I do not believe that it is anyone in her “team” saying hey let’s do a medley of Bowie and Queen ect ect. :)

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Maybe not, and I really do believe that doing Bowie and Queen is HER idea and what she wants. I for example can totally live with that (even though I prefer a medley of her own songs). But doing all the other same songs in the same versions for 25+ years.... that's just... I don't even know what to call it..

 

She has SO many beautiful gems that scream to be performed live (again). Especially now she's at a point in her career where she can do everything and anything (she has said so herself). Then why do the same things again and again and again?

I feel your frustration because I have the same questions but at this point it is futile.

Hey there’s the hope she changes it up for the Europe portion of the tour. (And if that’s the case then I will be on tilt! How unfair.)

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I would love a medley with at least 3 songs from Courage but with new arragements as they did with I'm alive in the TCWT. Something that people like and make them curious about which songs are those and buy or stream the album.

 

For example... in my opinion, Tous les blues is a great song, but is a little bit slow and boring at some point (not to mention is a not so known french song for the US audience), no visuals, no light effects during the performance, but the ending (the combination of the high note and a dramatic ending with the band and all those lights)... that is what makes people stand up, clap and scream to Celine. They should arrange something from the album that causes that same effect.

 

https://youtu.be/Znw3JSJVC8g

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Of course you will enjoy yourself! of course I will enjoy myself! that is not the point. The point is that like you said the setlist has too many unnecessary covers, but it also has the same old hits for decades now. It is such a shame, because Céline had way more HITS in her career. And I don't believe for a second general audience will be outraged if they'd hear ANDHC instead of TTWII, Ashes instead of TP, or WIFIL instead of BATB. I get that she has to sing the hits, but it doesn't have to be the same hits show after show, tour after tour.

 

But in taking about her touring the US, which is what she’s doing now, she’s never performed TTWII in a tour. (Maybe a handful of shows at the end of the LTAL tour.) And the last time she sang BATB on tour was the FIY tour. Most people don’t watch 100,000 YouTube performances from other countries and/or Vegas. They don’t even watch one!

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But in taking about her touring the US, which is what she's doing now, she's never performed TTWII in a tour. (Maybe a handful of shows at the end of the LTAL tour.) And the last time she sang BATB on tour was the FIY tour. Most people don't watch 100,000 YouTube performances from other countries and/or Vegas. They don't even watch one!

 

even so that she hasn't done TTWII on tour before (which isn't totally true, cos during the final concert of the LTAL tour at the National Car Rental Center in 1999, Celine performed "That's the Way It Is." :giggle: ) ... my remark remains the same: And I don't believe for a second general audience will be outraged if they'd hear ANDHC instead of TTWII, Ashes instead of TP, or WIFIL instead of BATB.

 

Would general public really throw a hissy fit if they didn't hear BATB? Or TTWII? I don't believe that for a second. These are 'minor' hits that could be replaced by other songs. BYLM... YES, MHWGO deffo. -_- but those two, I don't think many would notice if they weren't performed.

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Good idea but I think mentioning it's not a greatest hits tour comes off a bit aggressive and informal. It would have been better imo to mention that being the Courage tour fans feel the album is being underrepresented, that we understand many hits are essential but that there might be a better way to balance the old with the new (and even the rare).

 

aggresive? the tone is very mild actually. i think this whole tour only serves the majority of the casual fans but fans like us or the ones that have been her fans ever since the 90s and who are getting tired of the same old songs year after year after year tour after tour are completely neglected. And yes this tour should not have been named Courage Worldtour. And i can go on and on.

 

 

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I just read this comment on UKMIX Forums from what I guess is a casual Celine listener (hope he doesn't mind me posting it here):

 

 

 

 

Celine and her team created a show to please a broad audience. I agree Your are the voice and the medley could have been replaced by some of her own songs, but I refuse myself to be constantly frustrated by this. I'm going to this tour and I'm going to enjoy no matter what.

 

Well I agree with the part “in Vegas in 2017 the setlist was lacking”. The ‘Courage World Tour’ is setlist heaven compared to that. I really don’t get people who praise the 2017-2018 Vegas show. How could someone possibly like that short setlist, full of lipsync and boring, useless covers? Let alone the show’s ridiculously boring wardrobe: 100% beige/brown dresses. I was relieved when she brought the Asia tour to Vegas in 2018.

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Of course you will enjoy yourself! of course I will enjoy myself! that is not the point. The point is that like you said the setlist has too many unnecessary covers, but it also has the same old hits for decades now. It is such a shame, because Céline had way more HITS in her career. And I don't believe for a second general audience will be outraged if they'd hear ANDHC instead of TTWII, Ashes instead of TP, or WIFIL instead of BATB. I get that she has to sing the hits, but it doesn't have to be the same hits show after show, tour after tour.

 

 

I think this article is still one of the main reasons a lot of fans are pissed off about the setlist:

 

https://www.journald...t-bien-commence

 

«C’est vraiment plus gros que ce qu’on a fait depuis quelques années, a-t-elle commenté, quelques heures avant la toute première répétition générale du spectacle, qui devait se dérouler mercredi soir. Il y a beaucoup, beaucoup de choses qu’on n’a jamais faites.»

 

What exactly are the things they have never done before?? Because I see nothing new!

 

«Céline a toujours de nouvelles idées, laisse tomber Scott Price. Elle est encore arrivée hier soir avec une idée de nouvelle chanson à inclure dans un medley. Elle est dans un mode très créatif en ce moment. [...] C’est le fun pour nous. On la sent effervescente.»

 

It's sad that apparently Céline's creativity only came to cover songs in a medley, instead of showcasing new wonderful songs from her last album.

 

Tout le monde s’est impliqué dans la sélection des chansons, dont plusieurs ont été dépoussiérées, révèle Scott Price. «On a eu des meetings qui duraient jusqu’à trois heures du matin. Parfois, elle dit : “on va écouter toutes mes chansons”! Et on redécouvre des petits bijoux.»

 

Seriously what TF happened if they had long long sessions till early morning and yet they come up with a lame extract of the live 2018 show (that was already a lame extract if the wonderful 2017 show). And I guess she had the idea to listen to all her songs, but clearly they did not because no small gems were discovered or added to the show...

 

I said it before many times, Scott was so promising in 2015. He made some great musical changes to Celine and the 2016 and the 2017 shows were divine. But after the Live 2017 tour, nothing exciting really happened or it stayed too long (You're The Voice) or it got removed (Ashes).

 

I, for one, would be outraged if “The Prayer” was replaced by “Ashes”! “The Prayer” is such a beautiful, intimate song which wonderfully grows into a powerful, soaring ballad. Also the string intro is divine. “Ashes” doesn’t even come close! I wouldn’t mind the other replacements though, especially WIFIL.

 

Also, I firmly believe that they did have meetings which lasted until 3am and did listen to all of Céline’s songs again, looking for forgotten gems. The only explanation I have is that maybe Céline didn’t find any gems and is not performing any other songs because she doesn’t want to. I’m pretty sure that at this point it’s mostly about what the want to perform than what they have to perform when choosing songs. I do believe there is a reason behind each strange, disappointing decision Céline and her team make. After all, they are professionals who have been in the industry for decades, and many helped Céline get to where she is now. Therefore, I try my best to accept it and be happy for what we’ve got (A LOT).

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even so that she hasn't done TTWII on tour before (which isn't totally true, cos during the final concert of the LTAL tour at the National Car Rental Center in 1999, Celine performed "That's the Way It Is." :giggle: ) ... my remark remains the same: And I don't believe for a second general audience will be outraged if they'd hear ANDHC instead of TTWII, Ashes instead of TP, or WIFIL instead of BATB.

 

Would general public really throw a hissy fit if they didn't hear BATB? Or TTWII? I don't believe that for a second. These are 'minor' hits that could be replaced by other songs. BYLM... YES, MHWGO deffo. -_- but those two, I don't think many would notice if they weren't performed.

 

It just goes to show how different we all are. I would MUCH rather hear TTWII than ANDHC. I would like to hear Ashes, it’s true, but this solo version of TP is a highlight of the show. I wouldn’t want it to be gone. The general public doesn’t remember WIFIL. No one talks about Sleepless in Seattle anymore. BATB is a classic that recently had a new live version done that brought it to a whole new generation.

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...The general public doesn’t remember WIFIL. No one talks about Sleepless in Seattle anymore. BATB is a classic that recently had a new live version done that brought it to a whole new generation.

 

You're forgetting WIFIL is part of Sinatra's catalogue of hits - something I hope will forever be rediscovered by younger generations.

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You're forgetting WIFIL is part of Sinatra's catalogue of hits - something I hope will forever be rediscovered by younger generations.

 

Nat King cole too. But I’ve not heard this song being covered by anyone lately or even mentioned . BATB is in a completely different contemporary category especially considering the 2017 movie.

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It never hurts to ask and you don't know unless you try. These fans are doing so respectfully on social media and I commend them for making an attempt. It's not "nagging" and "whining"...if anything, you folks are the negative nancy's constantly trying to make fans feel bad all the time for having an opinion to anything whatsoever.
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Die Hard Fans: CHANGE THE SETLIST! NOW!

 

Céline:

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:)

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aggresive? the tone is very mild actually. i think this whole tour only serves the majority of the casual fans but fans like us or the ones that have been her fans ever since the 90s and who are getting tired of the same old songs year after year after year tour after tour are completely neglected. And yes this tour should not have been named Courage Worldtour. And i can go on and on.

 

 

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Imo a little bit, yes. Just envision yourself talking face to face with Celine or one of her team members, would you really say to their face "this is the Courage tour not the greatest hits tour"? I know I wouldn't. And what do you imagine their reaction would be to hear that? It would not be positive or make them want to change anything (especially since it comes from a minority).

 

And you are right, this tour sadly isn't for us hardcore fans. Just as the Asia tour wasn't. It's for the general public that hasn't seen her in over 10 years or are seeing her for the first time in their city/state/country (like Baltimore recently). She's trying to reconnect with the casual fans.

 

But I am all for this campaign because it's finally getting fans away from simply complaining into the void and it's much more respectful than, say, calling her greedy or lazy on her facebook page. If none of this affects this tour than hopefully we see improvements in the next.

Fan campaigns aren't anything new and it doesn't mean fans are demanding things (especially in this case since what's being asked isn't anything illogical). These types of fan campaigns also show that Celine has passionate fans and any respectful form of fan engagement is a positive. Why do you all think team Celine created that gif page or asks fans what songs they're excited to hear, or created a fan group on facebook? They're bad at creating fan engagement but it's clear they want it.

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something tells me that she might be going back to doing this again ,, She did it for LOVE ME BACK TO LIFE , I could see her doing something like this again while she in New York,

 

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does anybody have anything from last nights shows, Video wise IG s ,
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Considering the show is a hit in the US, the setlist will probably not change until Europe. I'm quite sure the medley will be kicked out for the European leg... My personal setlist for Europe would be this one:

 

ACT 1: THE HITS

1. It's all coming back to me now

2. Love can move mountains

3. I'm alive

4. If you asked me to

5. The power of love

 

ACT 2: COURAGE

6. Courage

7. Imperfections

8. Lying down

9. Flying on my own

 

ACT 3: EN FRANÇAIS

10. Pour que tu m'aimes encore

11. Tous les blues sont écrits pour toi

12. S'il suffisait d'aimer

 

ACT 4: THE BALLADS

13. Think twice

14. Beauty and the Beast

15. The prayer

16. I Surrender

 

ACT 5: TITANIC

17. My heart will go on

 

ACT 6: THE ENCORE HITS

18. That's the way it is

19. A new day has come

20. All by myself

21.. Because you loved me

22. Immortality (dedicated to René)

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Pour que tu m'aimes encore

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Do you guys think the Europe leg could be jeopardized due to that crazy coronavirus? :o Edited by Xpresso
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