Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[sarit_celine]

Small anecdote by a Madonna fan from the show in LV yesterday.

Didn't know she mentioning Celine in her shows.

 

"Comparing herself and saying she is distantly related

to Celine was a huge mistake (aren't you Italian?) - the audience was yelling "Celine was never this late"

 

[scielle]

I think it's also go to do with people having the tendency to arrive late (albeit on purpose or not). By saying an event starts for example 7.30, while in reality in starts at 8.15, will make sure people who arrive late don't miss the beginning of the show (especially with no opening act). One way or the other, part of the audience always arrive late.

 

We're not children. Be truthful in your communications and let people make up their own decision on when they show up. If they're late, that's their problem.

Lots of us have to jump through hoops to show up in time for 7:30, so to do so for no reason at all is super frustrating.

[TommKat22]

 

 

Nice reading this

 

Thank you!

[scielle]

Small anecdote by a Madonna fan from the show in LV yesterday.

Didn't know she mentioning Celine in her shows.

 

"Comparing herself and saying she is distantly related

to Celine was a huge mistake (aren't you Italian?) - the audience was yelling "Celine was never this late"

 

 

Interesting. In years past she always tried to distance herself from Celine. Mocked her, even.

But then again, she also said she'd never stoop so low as to play Vegas and here she is so... guess Madaonna's eating her world, eh?

 

She is a legend, and I'd very much like to see her live. But let's be honest, if this is your one chance to see her, a bucket list item, do you want a show that's nearly all new material? Because I'd venture to say most want Papa Don't Preach and Vogue and La Isla Bonita...I know I'd be disappointed if I went to a Madonna show and didn't get the hits.

And therein lies the problem for any superstar artist. Either you please yourself and your die-hard fans, who want the new work that speaks to who you are now, or you please the masses.

[cdfan32]

Interesting. In years past she always tried to distance herself from Celine. Mocked her, even.

But then again, she also said she'd never stoop so low as to play Vegas and here she is so... guess Madaonna's eating her world, eh?

 

She is a legend, and I'd very much like to see her live. But let's be honest, if this is your one chance to see her, a bucket list item, do you want a show that's nearly all new material? Because I'd venture to say most want Papa Don't Preach and Vogue and La Isla Bonita...I know I'd be disappointed if I went to a Madonna show and didn't get the hits.

And therein lies the problem for any superstar artist. Either you please yourself and your die-hard fans, who want the new work that speaks to who you are now, or you please the masses.

 

This is fake news. Madonna's been complimentary towards Celine for years, ever since they met at an awards show and had a photo together. She spoke well of her when she toured in Montreal on her last tour.

 

I fully understand a casual fan not wanting to see a show that's nearly all new material, but the show itself is fantastic. Ironically, all 3 of those hits you mention are in there also. The tour to please the masses however, was the last tour. It doesn't have to be all one way or the other. Especially not for 20 years straight.

[scielle]

This is fake news. Madonna's been complimentary towards Celine for years, ever since they met at an awards show and had a photo together. She spoke well of her when she toured in Montreal on her last tour.

 

I distinctly remember quite the opposite form the 90s. That award show photo-op doesn't change her attitude from back then.

But yes, she seems to have changed her tune in recent years; she clearly recognized Celine's the real deal after all. And that's my point.

Edited November 9, 2019 at 03:39 PM by scielle

[Alice]

Madonna wishes she had a talent like Celine's!

[scielle]

Madonna wishes she had a talent like Celine's!

 

Madonna has plenty of talent. Just in very different places than Celine.

[Alice]

Madonna has plenty of talent. Just in very different places than Celine.

I meant a real musical talent: the voice, the musicality...

[cdfan32]

I distinctly remember quite the opposite form the 90s. That award show photo-op doesn't change her attitude from back then.

But yes, she seems to have changed her tune in recent years; she clearly recognized Celine's the real deal after all. And that's my point.

 

People grow up. They both have a mutual respect for each other's longevity, their work ethics and prioritizing their families, etc.

 

I meant a real musical talent: the voice, the musicality...

 

It might not be to your taste, but Madonna does have a real musical talent, the voice and musicality and all. She writes or co-writes the majority of her songs. A warm voice isn't just about powerhouse vocals but about emoting. I agree that her recordings and her live DVDs don't do her any justice at all because she dubs over all of them anyway, but there is a reason she's unparalleled as a live performer. I've seen them both almost an equal number of times live (dozens), and they are the only two I would travel to see.

 

Anyway, there is room in the world for everyone. Life is not a competition. People on other forums have plenty of respect for Celine, so I find it odd when Celine's fans are the first to need to try to tear everyone else down as talentless. I'm sure that's not how Celine would want people to behave.

[Ukrfan]

I meant a real musical talent: the voice, the musicality...

 

I don't think Madonna cares about it. She proved a million times a singer without voice and vocal abilities can oversell and overgross any competitor.

 

I think the primary reason why Madonna had a little negative attitute towards Celine was the fact her dad considered Celine the best singer and not Madonna herself. I am sure Madonna had some daddy issues (is that the correct term ). It must have hurt Madonna much more than she ever demonstrated. I think all of us would be a little bit of upset if we were told by our parents that we are not their favorite [insert the corresponding word here]. Just look at how Celine's parents were proud of her and visited all her concerts.

Edited November 9, 2019 at 04:10 PM by Ukrfan

[Ukrfan]

It might not be to your taste, but Madonna does have a real musical talent, the voice and musicality and all. She writes or co-writes the majority of her songs. A warm voice isn't just about powerhouse vocals but about emoting. I agree that her recordings and her live DVDs don't do her any justice at all because she dubs over all of them anyway, but there is a reason she's unparalleled as a live performer. I've seen them both almost an equal number of times live (dozens), and they are the only two I would travel to see.

 

 

So much this. Madonna does what she want and always succeed. She doesn't ask anyone, she doesn't need any confirmations. She records songs she wants, she takes a huge part in the recording process, she makes every single performance special and uniquc (just remember her being Jesus on stage in 2006... ).

 

She's the boss. Not only in words but in deeds. She's doing a special tour in theaters and sings almost all songs from the new album, and she couldn't care less it is not standard. And she never had an era without look changing and music videos, btw (still can't get over the fact we had none during EUS). Sometimes I wish Celine would work with Madonna's team instead of TC.

Edited November 9, 2019 at 04:10 PM by Ukrfan

[Alice]

I don't think Madonna cares about it. She proved a million times a singer without voice and vocal abilities can oversell and overgross any competitor.

Yes! Thank you.

[sarit_celine]

No this is not fake news, I recall one moment during an award ceremony (90's)

Madonna had to introduced the candidates and Celine won with

MHWGO, Madonna showed disrespect toward her and even rolled her eyes.

The same with the press. Never showed Celine real appreciation.

 

How things have changed! Celine for the last (3 years?) has turned to be the media sweetheart

and is being taken as the real deal, where even the young audience takes her for "cool"

and adoring her. This is heartwarmer thing to witness.

[sarit_celine]

Interesting. In years past she always tried to distance herself from Celine. Mocked her, even.

But then again, she also said she'd never stoop so low as to play Vegas and here she is so... guess Madaonna's eating her world, eh?

 

She is a legend, and I'd very much like to see her live. But let's be honest, if this is your one chance to see her, a bucket list item, do you want a show that's nearly all new material? Because I'd venture to say most want Papa Don't Preach and Vogue and La Isla Bonita...I know I'd be disappointed if I went to a Madonna show and didn't get the hits.

And therein lies the problem for any superstar artist. Either you please yourself and your die-hard fans, who want the new work that speaks to who you are now, or you please the masses.

 

I'm curious to know in what way Madonna was comparing herself to Celine.

 

As for the Tour, every artist can easily please his hardcore fans and the masses, it's all about the right balance.

Artists should respect the fact that if they have out there a new Tour, they should include decent amount of new

songs as well, and they can do a nice medleys of their old hits, it's a win-win.

 

Honestly, I can hear the old hits at home any time, when I go to a new Tour

I would like to hear much new songs from the album,

and hey Celine's ticket prices are not that cheap

so kudos to Madonna for respecting her new album in her new Tour.

(It's really sad what that going on with her recently).

[Xpresso]

Who's got an album out on Nov. 15? Madonna, right?

[Chantemoi]

I forgot this name of this topic... Madonna vs. Céline ?

[sarit_celine]

Who's got an album out on Nov. 15? Madonna, right?

 

Say thanks to Madonna who started to talk about Celine in her shows

and hey we're killing some time here until the beliz about the new album

will begin!

[Xpresso]

 

 

Say thanks to Madonna who started to talk about Celine in her shows

and hey we're killing some time here until the beliz about the new album

will begin!

She had no choice because she was in Celine's theater! lol

[cdfan32]

Say thanks to Madonna who started to talk about Celine in her shows

and hey we're killing some time here until the beliz about the new album

will begin!

 

Madonna didn't make any comparisons. All she said was it's great to be here at the Colosseum, where Celine performed for 10 years. It was a sign of respect. She mentioned they're distant cousins (Madonna is French-Canadian on her mother's side).

[alexceline]

I'm curious to know in what way Madonna was comparing herself to Celine.

 

As for the Tour, every artist can easily please his hardcore fans and the masses, it's all about the right balance.

Artists should respect the fact that if they have out there a new Tour, they should include decent amount of new

songs as well, and they can do a nice medleys of their old hits, it's a win-win.

 

Honestly, I can hear the old hits at home any time, when I go to a new Tour

I would like to hear much new songs from the album,

and hey Celine's ticket prices are not that cheap

so kudos to Madonna for respecting her new album in her new Tour.

(It's really sad what that going on with her recently).

She wasn't comparing herself to Celine, the show was at the colosseum so she just mentioned that Celine was performing there for the last 10 years. Then she also briefly mentioned that they're cousins. That's all

[sarit_celine]

Madonna didn't make any comparisons. All she said was it's great to be here at the Colosseum, where Celine performed for 10 years. It was a sign of respect. She mentioned they're distant cousins (Madonna is French-Canadian on her mother's side).

 

I just copied one comment by an attender, thanks for that glad to know she talks good about our girl

[Danystar]

Does anyone have an audio recording of the English set list?

[sarit_celine]

LMAO, the comments there coming from some of her own fans If I will catch other interesting things from this group

I will share here.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/636276953485952/permalink/770862823360697/

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I am also going to see her in February in London and am a bit terrified at the late hour it's supposed to start and end. I also need to commute back home and work the next day, hopefully she won't finish the show at 3 AM :sofunny:

 

It was about 1:30am when I left the theater.

[hugo020]

No this is not fake news, I recall one moment during an award ceremony (90's)

Madonna had to introduced the candidates and Celine won with

MHWGO, Madonna showed disrespect toward her and even rolled her eyes.

The same with the press. Never showed Celine real appreciation.

 

How things have changed! Celine for the last (3 years?) has turned to be the media sweetheart

and is being taken as the real deal, where even the young audience takes her for "cool"

and adoring her. This is heartwarmer thing to witness.

 

LOL I remember the ''rolling eyes'' moment, but you are reporting the event wrong lol. It was at the Academy Award when Titanic won 11 trophees. Madonna was presenting ''Song of the year'' award and she opened the envelop, rolled he eyes, meaning ''what a surprise, Titanic again''. It was a Celine related reaction at all. lol

 

I'm not defending Madonna or won't even get into the debate because it's an opinion/interpretation and not fact based. Just wanted to point out the fact.

[cdfan32]

Honestly, it's been very challenging supporting both this year. Do I prefer Celine who cancels last minute and doesn't show up after having to travel to Montreal or Madonna who shows up 3 hours late because she's dealing with knee pain, tendonitis, etc. that she refuses to acknowledge or discuss in public? I prefer a show than no show at all, even if you are just standing there miming or not dancing or whatever.

 

Do you prefer a setlist of the same cuts and 20 minutes of covers after the same thing for 20 years or an extremely niche show where, while visually fantastic, only hardcore fans will really appreciate most of the setlist?

 

Surely there has to be a balance between the two extremes. I feel like both (and many other) artists are overstretched by their greedy touring companies and management, somewhere someone didn't say no and booked WAY too many dates with zero flexibility or room for error, and what the fans get are extremely compromised experiences to what could have been. I know people complain about Celine's management, but people do about Madonna's just as much, just in different ways. At the end of the day, both are legends in their own ways, they are well beyond the age or monetary needs of having to tour for a living, and we are lucky they are still around and doing what they're doing.

 

I'm just hoping that by my next show, Celine will be more recovered and will actually show up and not cancel. It's stressful because I want to be looking forward to a show, but I don't want to get my hopes up too much and be completely disappointed again either.

[Ajax]

Honestly, it's been very challenging supporting both this year. Do I prefer Celine who cancels last minute and doesn't show up after having to travel to Montreal or Madonna who shows up 3 hours late because she's dealing with knee pain, tendonitis, etc. that she refuses to acknowledge or discuss in public? I prefer a show than no show at all, even if you are just standing there miming or not dancing.

 

🤨what are you talking about ? What do you try to demonstrate ? It s ridiculous.

[AdrienneM]

Honestly, it's been very challenging supporting both this year. Do I prefer Celine who cancels last minute and doesn't show up after having to travel to Montreal or Madonna who shows up 3 hours late because she's dealing with knee pain, tendonitis, etc. that she refuses to acknowledge or discuss in public? I prefer a show than no show at all, even if you are just standing there miming or not dancing or whatever.

 

Do you prefer a setlist of the same cuts and 20 minutes of covers after the same thing for 20 years or an extremely niche show where, while visually fantastic, only hardcore fans will really appreciate most of the setlist?

 

Surely there has to be a balance between the two extremes. I feel like both (and many other) artists are overstretched by their greedy touring companies and management, somewhere someone didn't say no and booked WAY too many dates with zero flexibility or room for error, and what the fans get are extremely compromised experiences to what could have been. I know people complain about Celine's management, but people do about Madonna's just as much, just in different ways. At the end of the day, both are legends in their own ways, they are well beyond the age or monetary needs of having to tour for a living, and we are lucky they are still around and doing what they're doing.

 

I'm just hoping that by my next show, Celine will be more recovered and will actually show up and not cancel. It's stressful because I want to be looking forward to a show, but I don't want to get my hopes up too much and be completely disappointed again either.

 

So one big (extremely one sided) post about why you prefer Madonna to Celine in terms of their shows, hmm, maybe access the Madonna thread or a Madonna forum if thats your wavelength. Cause this isnt the Madonna thread, its the courage tour thread.

[cdfan32]

So one big (extremely one sided) post about why you prefer Madonna to Celine in terms of their shows, hmm, maybe access the Madonna thread or a Madonna forum if thats your wavelength. Cause this isnt the Madonna thread, its the courage tour thread.

 

Last I checked, I've been a fan and member here much longer than you, but if that's all you got out of my post, you missed the point entirely.

 

Celine's prevented me from seeing her show yet, so I'll wait and see. I'm talking about unprofessionalism in tour management (on both sides) and responding to people saying they prefer if Celine did this or that instead. And yes, cancelling at the last minute was ridiculous even if she's known to have a 10 year habit of doing so. It's also why I'll no longer take the risk of travelling to see her. It is what it is.