Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[Ajax]

Well your are clearly in a situation where your disappointment enable you to have a clear mind. We understand.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Last I checked, I've been a fan and member here much longer than you, but if that's all you got out of my post, you missed the point entirely.

 

Celine's prevented me from seeing her show yet, so I'll wait and see. I'm talking about unprofessionalism in tour management (on both sides) and responding to people saying they prefer if Celine did this or that instead. And yes, cancelling at the last minute was ridiculous even if she's known to have a 10 year habit of doing so. It's also why I'll no longer take the risk of travelling to see her. It is what it is.

 

She cancels the vast majority of her shows with plenty time to spare, aside from Vegas 2018 in January. As if my length of membership here reflects my time as a fan. Ive been a fan ever since i was in the back seat of my moms car, listening to the LTAL album at age 3 and have been an *actual fan* since age 7, if 17 years of die-hard fan girling isnt long enough for you I dont know what is.

 

Considering your multi paragraph post said nothing which could even be taken as positive towards Celine and almost all positives directed to Madonna until the last 2 paragraphs...well.

 

Personally, Id rather have a concert cancelled a few hours before hand, so i can either go home or go out and see a city (depending on if ive travelled or not) than stand around like an idiot for 3 hours after the supposed start time, only for Madonna to get bitchy when people ask why/ are mad about why shes late.

 

But go off i guess

[cdfan32]

Considering your multi paragraph post said nothing which could even be taken as positive towards Celine and almost all positives directed to Madonna until the last 2 paragraphs...well.

 

Considering my "multi paragraph" post was 4 paragraphs, the same length as your vehement response... go off I guess

 

I prefer to post my thoughts all at once than make 1000 posts of a sentence here and there. And when I spend money on concerts I plan to spend my money on concerts, not wasting my time or money in some city that I had no intention to visit on its own. Just because you have a different opinion is no reason to try to invalidate everyone else's thoughts on the subject, which is why I don't often post on this forum, especially in recent years.

[Xpresso]

So Celine should now lip her entire shows so this way she won't cancel any shows even if she has a throat virus. Ok we get it!

[AdrienneM]

So Celine should now lip her entire shows so this way she won't cancel any shows even if she has a throat virus. Ok we get it!

 

Yep, and not move either, she may pull a muscle!

[sarit_celine]

Gee, one can still be upset about not having the opportunity to see Celine, about the setlist etc

and yes talking even about another artist at the same post. (What is the big deal, guys?)

 

One can hope she won't have more cancellations but seeing this huge Tour

it's almost inevitable I'm afraid.

[JulienMcbeal]

To be fair, it was a bit silly not to cancel all the dates all at once due to her illness and waiting the last minute in order to see if she could still perform the two remaining dates, just hoping she could. It wasn't very stable and consistent.

It would have been way more effective, sensitive to fans, and less 'alarming' to the media, to just say "she has a flue, all shows are postponed in february".

And no one would have complained.

 

Plus she could recover at ease, without stressing about "will I be able to perform these two nights".

Edited November 9, 2019 at 06:55 PM by JulienMcbeal

[Ajax]

Gee, one can still be upset about not having the opportunity to see Celine, about the setlist etc

and yes talking even about another artist at the same post. (What is the big deal, guys?)

 

One can hope she won't have more cancellations but seeing this huge Tour

it's almost inevitable I'm afraid.

 

Gee as always you miss the point. No one said he wasn’t allowed to express an opinion. Some of us just think his demonstration does not make sense. Or some don t agree with his arguments. The fact that we don t agree does not mean that we think other people shouldn’t express their opinion. Is this clear ? You always reduce the debates to this point.

[JulienMcbeal]

Gee as always you miss the point. No one said he wasn't allowed to express an opinion. Some of us just think his demonstration does not make sense. Or some don t agree with his arguments. The fact that we don t agree does not mean that we think other people shouldn't express their opinion. Is this clear ? You always reduce the debates to this point.

 

Er.... Adrienne DID say it wasn't the place to discuss his point of view; I quote: "maybe access the Madonna thread or a Madonna forum if thats your wavelength. Cause this isnt the Madonna thread, its the courage tour thread." So yes, it's kinda like saying he shouldn't express his view here.

And I do think that comparing the Courage tour with a tour or concert by another artist, whoever it is, and such behaviour in regards of honoring moral contracts by said artist, is relevant in the Courage Tour thread.

Even if it is to say that Madonna's better. Subject upon which I have no clue, not being a Madonna fan.

[Ajax]

You re right. Adrienne ruined my argument. 😀

I just feel that Sarit always gets back to this thing. People disagreeing does not mean that they don’t allow others to express what they think. Just that.

[cdfan32]

You re right. Adrienne ruined my argument.

I just feel that Sarit always gets back to this thing. People disagreeing does not mean that they don't allow others to express what they think. Just that.

 

But there's disagreeing and saying "I disagree" while respecting other views and there's saying "you're totally ridiculous" in an attempt to invalidate opposing views. One promotes discussion/clarification and another just becomes an echo chamber of validation. We're adults, no one's feelings should be personally getting hurt because someone else thinks differently. Celine's big thing is tolerance, after all.

[JulienMcbeal]

We're adults, no one's feelings should be personally getting hurt because someone else thinks differently. Celine's big thing is tolerance, after all.

 

I DISAGREE! How can you even say that!!!

Celine's big thing his her VOICE!!!!

[cdfan32]

Even if it is to say that Madonna's better. Subject upon which I have no clue, not being a Madonna fan.

 

This isn't what I was trying to say though. It got lost in translation and with me not providing even more details. So for clarification, this year has been a roller coaster to be a fan of either. Both could have handled many things better, as well as their management teams/touring companies.

 

Celine cancelling at the last minute was awful because I can afford to take the time and spend the money to go to Montreal once. I won't do it a second time in 6 months no matter how much I love her. I was super thankful I went to an extra Madonna show in NYC at the last minute because otherwise my entire trip would have been a bust.

 

Now Celine has a very stressful schedule and we can only hope she doesn't get sick again because there is no time built into the schedule for any additional illness or recovery. I hope I will get to see her eventually when she comes near me for her other shows.

 

But then 2 shows later, Madonna cancelled at the last minute for the very first time for injury-related reasons in 30 years. If that was my show, I would have preferred that she show up and sit there and sing even though she won't do that because it's not a complete entertainment experience. Now a knee injury isn't going to heal itself in 3 days, so obviously she continued the tour in more and more pain and now she's sick too on top of it, so she's showing up later and later, which is making everyone more and more unhappy.

 

None of this is ideal for anyone, both have very long tours to continue, and I worry about their health and the viability of the tours for them and their fans. They aren't young any more. It's a stressful time to be a fan, wondering if your show will happen and when you will find out if it doesn't, especially if you have to travel to see it. It's hard to know how to feel and which scenario is worse.

 

At the end of the day, how you feel about it is up to your luck and your personal situation, but I can tell you it feels terrible as a fan to be the one disappointed for whatever reason. It's possible to feel that while feeling very badly for the artist as a human being too.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Er.... Adrienne DID say it wasn't the place to discuss his point of view; I quote: "maybe access the Madonna thread or a Madonna forum if thats your wavelength. Cause this isnt the Madonna thread, its the courage tour thread." So yes, it's kinda like saying he shouldn't express his view here.

And I do think that comparing the Courage tour with a tour or concert by another artist, whoever it is, and such behaviour in regards of honoring moral contracts by said artist, is relevant in the Courage Tour thread.

Even if it is to say that Madonna's better. Subject upon which I have no clue, not being a Madonna fan.

 

Discussing Madonnas tour and shows in a completely unrelated thread *is* unrelated and there *Are* threads for that he/she can post in. Hence why mods etc are always asking people to *stay on topic*

[cdfan32]

Discussing Madonnas tour and shows in a completely unrelated thread *is* unrelated and there *Are* threads for that he/she can post in. Hence why mods etc are always asking people to *stay on topic*

 

Because you playing moderator, in an attempt to shut down discussion and invalidate other members' views, is staying on topic. Next.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Because you playing moderator, in an attempt to shut down discussion and invalidate other members' views, is staying on topic. Next.

 

Playing moderator? No. I dont desire nor care for their role. However, having basic common sense would tell you this isnt the Madonna tour thread, so she is not the point of discussion for in here, she has a thread in another section of the forum. Rather than debate your point with facts (such as Madonna cancelling hours before shows with zero reason many, many times) and even shared *my own*

Opinion that id rather be cancelled on than wait 3 hours for a show like a fool. Why dont you (after being on here for what? 14 years?) read the forum rules and stick to topics without muddling important threads like this one with off topic “comparisons”. Thank you. Next

[JulienMcbeal]

 

 

 

This isn't what I was trying to say though. It got lost in translation and with me not providing even more details.

 

Oh I know, don't worry. It was just an example. What I meant was you could say that if you wanted to. But I kno you were merely expressing comparison between their respective teams and the way they handle things.

TBH I did think they mishandled things, though it's not that much of a deal. But of course I wasn't affected personally by the situation and I totally understand your frustration.

 

I won't talk about Madonna, I don't know her work and shows' habits. I just know her many hits - which I love in my car!

 

 

Envoyé de mon LLD-L31 en utilisant Tapatalk

 

 

[cdfan32]

Oh hey, I discovered the ignore feature and am able to tune out the condescension and lack of reading comprehension. I've been friends with Koolan and Bellamy since well before this forum was even founded, so go off about being "on topic" all you wish while I won't be reading any more.

 

It's possible to be a fan of Celine's without being one-dimensional. If we only talked about the things she herself does specifically, it'd be a very empty place. Oh wait...

[AdrienneM]

Oh hey, I discovered the ignore feature and am able to tune out the condescension and lack of reading comprehension. I've been friends with Koolan and Bellamy since well before this forum was even founded, so go off about being "on topic" all you wish while I won't be reading any more.

 

It's possible to be a fan of Celine's without being one-dimensional. If we only talked about the things she herself does specifically, it'd be a very empty place. Oh wait...

 

And its possible to follow its rules and actually stay on topic too omg? Did you know? Okay thats great!

 

Anyway back to it: CELINES tour thread

[Kye]

Courage World Tour (Live in Minneapolis) Recording

 

 

 

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Enjoy!

Edited November 9, 2019 at 09:46 PM by Kye

[JulienMcbeal]

Enjoy!

 

It is great, thanks!

[JulienMcbeal]

And nice cover!

[isabel leite]

Courage World Tour (Live in Minneapolis) Recording

 

 

 

 

Enjoy!

thanks so much!

[sarit_celine]

Gee as always you miss the point. No one said he wasn't allowed to express an opinion. Some of us just think his demonstration does not make sense. Or some don t agree with his arguments. The fact that we don t agree does not mean that we think other people shouldn't express their opinion. Is this clear ? You always reduce the debates to this point.

 

Actually I did got offends toward me, just because having a different opinions on other ocassions

and well how can I reduce something to this point, if I ask to do always the opposite -

that it's ok to discuss about certain things that some memebers here go bonker and prefer not to?

I felt that cdfan32 got disrespectful comments toward her and yes it distrubed me.

 

Anyway, I wonder why is that when I write wonderful positive comments for the last days

I will never see you replying me about that, only about those "negative" things:)

[abadi]

Thanx :)

[stevo]

Who here has had to call in sick to work? Hands up- I have. Why can’t Céline? Why can’t any singer? Céline is not unique in cancelling concerts. And we know she only will as a last resort, hence the sometimes ‘inconvenient’ last minute cancellation. It happens. She isn’t sat filing her frigging toenails saying to Michel, ‘nah, can’t be arsed tonight, send a post to Facebook will ya?’ Why are so many people on here such precious little poor sissy woofters that can’t accept the reality of the world? I would be devastated if she cancelled on me (as I was in 1999 when her husband got diagnosed with cancer and she cancelled Belfast) but such whingeing and incessant yapping. So exhausting and repetitive.

[celinesounds]

Courage World Tour (Live in Minneapolis) Recording

 

 

 

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Enjoy!

 

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[cdfan32]

the link is not working

 

Try copy/pasting the one Isabel quoted above with the full URL.

[Jef]

thanks

[Dragarys]

Courage World Tour (Live in Minneapolis) Recording

 

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Thank you!