Céline themed movies: "Aline/The Voice Of Love" and "Celine before Celine"

[Balao]

 

no one says Votican in Québec ������. This part was so cringy. At the première in MTL no one got the joke lol.

 

Of course, you don't say Votican, you say Vatican but with the accent from Québec, it sounds like Votican to our French ears. As for the joke, it lies in the repetition. In France, we like running gags and there is absolutely nothing to explain. You either get it or you don't.

In one old episode of the Simpsons, Bob continually steps on rakes, the handles of which then hit him in the face. The joke is funny then not funny anymore and then eventually it is funny once again.

[Ajax]

Once again, I’m French and didn’t like that much the movie except the first part when Celine is young. And I can also understand how different it can be for the family member to watch it. But the arguments Claudette and Michel used were like so so cringy, stupid and ignorant. I felt very inconfortable for them and Celine. It wasn’t flattery for Celine at all and I hope she can distanciate from them. Whatever if she liked the movie or not. The arguments they used were just so dumb that they looked as uneducated and dumb people. Both of them.

 

Like honesty the anecdote about Celine stealing the sugar in hostels is the cutest thing ever. An image so commonly used to nicely describe people that were poor but stayed humble for example, still close to their roots etc…

Claudette : « she never stole sugar » —-> are you f****** serious ???

Same about the fact that she never went through the window with her dress and so many thing she said. Are you joking Claudette or that stupid???

 

Sorry but that was very inconfortable to whatch them. And I felt sorry for Celine. I even asked myself if it was true as their argument were surreal

Edited November 24, 2021 at 09:40 PM by Ajax

[québecflower]

It is not the point of liking the film or not, it's just the point of understanding it. If you want the film to be different and take the joy and humour out of it. I can't tell more without spoiling it for you.

they have a different take on this than you. Since they are from the family, it is very possible they have more of a first degree take on this. They did not find it funny, totally comprehensive.

[Ajax]

they have a different take on this than you. Since they are from the family, it is very possible they have more of a first degree take on this. They did not find it funny, totally comprehensive.

 

Honestly it was beyond being first degree as we all imagine a family member can be.

 

Claudette crying and saying : She never stole sugar… is just one of the stupidest thing EVER 🤷 it s about being able to think rationally with more than 2 neurons

Edited November 24, 2021 at 10:28 PM by Ajax

[québecflower]

I think you're American or (English) Canadian, no? In which case, just like Valérie, you're from a big country/language region. Which is simply a different experience. Americans don't care about accent much in my experience (because you are confronted with a plethora of accents on a daily basis I guess). Which is a great thing in many ways.

But it's just different for smaller, more marginalized regions.

i saw multiple interviews where , when a film is in Boston , if they don't have the accent, it is drama... they have their accents too. I don't care that much with this movie because it is clear than it was done great regards toward Céline, if it was mocking her, would be different.

[québecflower]

Honestly it was beyond being first degree as we all imagine a family member can be.

 

Claudette crying and saying : She never stole sugar… is just one of the stupidest thing EVER it s about being able to think rationally with more than 2 neurons

i just say it was her opinion, if you find it stupid, ok by me. But she can have one different from other people.

[scielle]

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‘“I sent him [RC] a note to say I hope he won’t be disappointed,” Lemercier said. “That I know he lost his dad and grandmother too early, but that I hope he could see glimpses here and there, moments that would tell his parents’ story.”’

 

Story also confirms it’s coming out in English Canada in Jan.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 at 11:07 PM by scielle

[Ajax]

But what I m talking about has nothing to do with an opinion. I’m talking about the way she is reasoning when clearly she is not able to understand very simple things like very simple and commun images.

 

 

 

 

[scielle]

Once again, I’m French and didn’t like that much the movie except the first part when Celine is young. And I can also understand how different it can be for the family member to watch it. But the arguments Claudette and Michel used were like so so cringy, stupid and ignorant. I felt very inconfortable for them and Celine. It wasn’t flattery for Celine at all and I hope she can distanciate from them. Whatever if she liked the movie or not. The arguments they used were just so dumb that they looked as uneducated and dumb people. Both of them.

 

Like honesty the anecdote about Celine stealing the sugar in hostels is the cutest thing ever. An image so commonly used to nicely describe people that were poor but stayed humble for example, still close to their roots etc…

Claudette : « she never stole sugar » —-> are you f****** serious ???

Same about the fact that she never went through the window with her dress and so many thing she said. Are you joking Claudette or that stupid???

 

Sorry but that was very inconfortable to whatch them. And I felt sorry for Celine. I even asked myself if it was true as their argument were surreal

 

Agree with you completely. They are of course entitled to an opinion and it’s understandable they would view it all very differently than the rest of us. That’s to be expected. But that TV appearance made them look far worse than anything in the movie. They really did themselves a disservice.

(And it’s interesting to see how many people on social media are commenting in response, saying they completely missed the point.)

 

I’m really curious what RC thinks of it. And I’m sure he’ll get Céline to watch it, if she hasn’t already. Of course, she might choose not to comment and we’ll never know what she truly thinks of it all.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 at 11:06 PM by scielle

[hugo020]

 

 

Of course, you don't say Votican, you say Vatican but with the accent from Québec, it sounds like Votican to our French ears. As for the joke, it lies in the repetition. In France, we like running gags and there is absolutely nothing to explain. You either get it or you don't.

In one old episode of the Simpsons, Bob continually steps on rakes, the handles of which then hit him in the face. The joke is funny then not funny anymore and then eventually it is funny once again.

 

Well aside from making Quebec people dumb AF, I don’t really sees what’s funny in it. That shows how very little research Valerie did.

 

It would be like if someone in Quebec does a movie about Edith Piaf, call it Judith Paf and have the character say 10 times “du coup où est mon beret”. Juste caricatural and bad taste

[Mudo]

Once again, I'm French and didn't like that much the movie except the first part when Celine is young. And I can also understand how different it can be for the family member to watch it. But the arguments Claudette and Michel used were like so so cringy, stupid and ignorant. I felt very inconfortable for them and Celine. It wasn't flattery for Celine at all and I hope she can distanciate from them. Whatever if she liked the movie or not. The arguments they used were just so dumb that they looked as uneducated and dumb people. Both of them.

 

Like honesty the anecdote about Celine stealing the sugar in hostels is the cutest thing ever. An image so commonly used to nicely describe people that were poor but stayed humble for example, still close to their roots etc…

Claudette : « she never stole sugar » —-> are you f****** serious ???

Same about the fact that she never went through the window with her dress and so many thing she said. Are you joking Claudette or that stupid???

 

Sorry but that was very inconfortable to whatch them. And I felt sorry for Celine. I even asked myself if it was true as their argument were surreal

 

I think that not only Claudette or Michel did not appreciate the movie but Celine as well. Hence, she is doing her own biopic to tell her own story. I think that movie fueled it because it clearly was not representing her thus they couldn't name it Celine Dion but went with Aline Dieu (Dieu =God in French lol).

 

They mentioned some details that made them cringe but overall, they know Celine's story better than Valerie and Valerie most likely did not consult them for approval or fact checking before she went ahead and did it. They said the movie was based on what people's perception of Celine was and not on what really went down. Michel and Claudette are the closest you can get to Celine so I don't think them not being in it made them turned off but checking with them for approval and fact checking is essential as you won't get any better juice on Celine than from those 2. They are already wealthy and well-known they do not need to be in that film.

[scielle]

checking with them for approval and fact checking is essential

No, it's not, far from it. It's not a documentary, but a fiction based on Celine's published account of her life story. The rest is Valerie's artistic vision. That's why it's Aline, not Celine. So she could take creative liberties. She specifically wanted to keep her distance - and chose, for instance, not to film in Celine's former home when given the opportunity. This has been made very clear all along. She offered Celine the opportunity to review the casting, the script, etc. Celine chose not to, which I think really shows her strength of character - not meddling in other people's creative vision.

 

Celine & Sony are making a documentary, not a biopic, and Aline never aspired to be either of those two things. Perhaps the doc was precipitated by Aline, or perhaps not, and it's simply a response to high demand for that type of project and the need to support Celine's streaming numbers (as is often the case when labels get involved in projects like these).

Edited November 25, 2021 at 12:10 AM by scielle

[Balao]

 

 

It would be like if someone in Quebec does a movie about Edith Piaf, call it Judith Paf and have the character say 10 times "du coup où est mon beret". Juste caricatural and bad taste

 

That's a very good idea actually.

[scielle]

That's a very good idea actually.

 

Credit Hugo Dumas from La Presse. He hated it too and came up with it as vengeance.

[hugo020]

 

 

Credit Hugo Dumas from La Presse. He hated it too and came up with it as vengeance.

 

Just like Aline, it’s not about reality et c est librement inspiré, so no need to stick to reality or quote anyone.

[manolo19]

So the drama goes on. Julie Snyder said she doesn't understand the fact that Valerie cancelled her interview because of Michel and Claudette disapproval.

 

Valerie defended herself saying she did not like the concept of the interview having a camera following her in the car right before the premiere. She did not understand why Julie didnt say anything positive of the movie in front of Michel and Claudette because one year ago Julie told Valerie that she really liked the film but did not share that enthusiasm on her tv show yesterday.

 

Julie answered by a famous quote from Beaumarchais : Sans la

liberté de blâmer, il n'est point d'éloge flatteur.

 

(Without the freedom/right to criticize/blame there can't be no genuine praise.)

Edited November 25, 2021 at 01:31 AM by manolo19

[todos]

Poor Valerie! She made the film with honest intention to pay Rene and Celine respect but now she faces hate and criticism in Quebec. Since she is a fellow fan I hope that this does not change her view on the Dion Family as a whole.

[manolo19]

Claudette doubled down on Julie talk show tonight ... even interrupted Julie when she said 'Valerie the star who plays Celine' ... Claudette started laughing and told Julie you call her a 'star' with a look of disgust on her face.

 

I'm glad the wife of Antoine Vezina who plays a mix of Celine bothers in the film actually said something in front of Michel and Claudette. She told them it was clear it was a work of fiction and it was not a biography so thats why they didnt recognize themselves.

 

I did not like the movie so much but Claudette reaction is beyond cringe ... she even started singing non je ne regrette rien by Edith Piaf when asked if she regretted the things she said.

Edited November 25, 2021 at 03:27 AM by manolo19

[PuraVida]

Celine should invite Valerie to dinner!

 

If Celine feels well enough that is.

[PuraVida]

By the way, I secretly love how a Celine biopic can rise to the level of primetime television specials portrayed in a very serious manner on Canadian/Quebec television.

 

 

*serious voice* and now, at 8pm, the brother and sister of Celine Dion SPEAK OUT against a French independent biopic made about their superstar sister.

 

Edited November 25, 2021 at 04:20 AM by PuraVida

[scielle]

Poor Valerie! She made the film with honest intention to pay Rene and Celine respect but now she faces hate and criticism in Quebec. Since she is a fellow fan I hope that this does not change her view on the Dion Family as a whole.

 

Yeah, especially given the depressing experience she had with her first foray in Quebec, ~30 years ago, and as I understand was so hurt by it, hasn’t been back with another project since. Until Aline.

[PuraVida]

Yes, ET reported on that yesterday (Interestingly, before it came out in French media.) It was also the first time I heard Valérie speak English (see the ET Canada clip in the tweet I posted yesterday.) I wonder how involved she's going to be in the US release promo.

 

Do you mind reposting the link to Valerie speaking in English? Couldn't find it.

[scielle]

 

Do you mind reposting the link to Valerie speaking in English? Couldn't find it.

 

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[scielle]

Here’s a piece with Valérie responding to Claudette’s comments, including this interesting tidbit:

“Il y a des gens [de la famille Dion] qui ne se sont pas exprimés publiquement, mais dont j’ai vu les messages, qui ont beaucoup aimé ce film. Donc il y en a qui aimeront, d’autres pas.”

 

So as usual, Claudette is simply the loudest and most obnoxious.

 

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[PuraVida]

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Thank you. That was good to hear. But that video quality on them, especially the intervewer. Geez lol.

[scielle]

Claudette doubled down on Julie talk show tonight ... even interrupted Julie when she said 'Valerie the star who plays Celine' ... Claudette started laughing and told Julie you call her a 'star' with a look of disgust on her face.

 

That’s rich coming from a woman who basically built her career, such as it is, on the back of her sister’s success. I mean, she even titled her autobiography “La soeur de…”

[PuraVida]

It seems Claudette was the first person to put on the acting and theatrics, crying within minutes of sittig down with Julie---who herself looks like she's had some CGI done

 

Sorry to post so much, I'm just a bit bored and I also really want to see this darn film. I expect I will like it to matter what because it is Celine-related and looks quite professionally done with a good buget. But we'll see.

Edited November 25, 2021 at 05:18 AM by PuraVida

[scielle]

Here’s a radio interview with Valérie from earlier today: https://open.spotify.com/episode/32Fzjp9RG0d35J6dGQkLQW?si=0rYKdLMRR3eAtYokVQA2uw

 

 

[PuraVida]

Here's a radio interview with Valérie from earlier today: https://open.spotify...RR3eAtYokVQA2uw

 

Her promo schedule seems insane.

[Alex_Incognito]

 

 

no one says Votican in Québec ������. This part was so cringy. At the première in MTL no one got the joke lol.

 

In Paris the audience died of laughter at this part!