Celine and Pepe

[ehild]

 

 

Which Rene obviously knew she would be vulnerable to after he passed so he fired her entire band. The only interactions she has with the current band are limited to when they’re on stage together.

Technically that was Aldo after he took over when Rene got sick. Rene hired all of the others and Aldo wanted "carte blance" so he didn't renew any of their contracts. I think it was way of flexing his management style. But then he didn't last very long and they've yet to actually name a new manager. Which I think is part of the problem.

[SuperLove4Celine]

This whole thing saddens me. I feel we’re watching Celine live out the childhood she never really had, but it’s occurring in her 50s. At times, it’s been hard to watch. This topic being one of the top topics on that list for me.

 

As an outsider looking in, Pepe definitely looks like a user to me. If Celine were to retire tonight, I’d bet anything their friendship would end. He’d become “too busy” for her, and slowly take himself out of the picture. They’d probably just shrug it off as it being how life goes, but deep down, there would be other reasons for his gradual disappearance.

[Ajax]

This whole thing saddens me. I feel we’re watching Celine live out the childhood she never really had, but it’s occurring in her 50s. At times, it’s been hard to watch. This topic being one of the top topics on that list for me.

 

Because of what exactly? Because she wears here and there fashion couture or a swimsuit in Paris. ? Because of what really ? Do you realise ? Maybe because she has never sung as much live as what she is doing actually ? Because she is exploring again her repertoire ? Because she finally put all her repertoire on youtube ? Because her team said publicly that they love working with Pepe when the press was accusing him of abusing them? That s crazy for me. How did we reach this point ? What did she do since 4 years that leds to think that. ? Because she finally wears a decoleté and some crazy outfit. ? I’m sorry but I feel sad that for such innocent things people feel uncomfortable. I feel sorry that René built such a conservative image of an housewive with just a beautiful voice. And here we are. For nothing. People fell in love with the conservative housewife. Not the artist.

Edited August 1, 2019 at 07:36 PM by Ajax

[Nmj]

I feel like Pepe should just stay her stylist and remain behind the scenes. If they were smart that’s what they would do because the media will feed off of it in public. He can be her stylist and he can be her friend if that’s what she wants but doing in front of all the photographers wouldn’t be a great idea, unless for Pepe there is something to gain??

 

He is already well known around the world because of Celine. She has put his name out there and OTHER than her friendship I don’t see what he has done for her career? An album art that was below average or teaching her how to dance, which she could’ve done with ANYONE? And she was already put on the fashion radar by Law so that credit doesn’t go to him, so business wise how is he so valuable?

Edited August 1, 2019 at 07:40 PM by Nmj

[AdrienneM]

I feel like Pepe should just stay her stylist and remain behind the scenes. If they were smart that’s what they would do because the media will feed off of it in public. He can be her stylist and he can be her friend if that’s what she wants but doing in front of all the photographers wouldn’t be a great idea, unless for Pepe there is something to gain??

 

He is already well known around the world because of Celine. She has put his name out there and OTHER than her friendship I don’t see what he has done for her career? An album art that was below average or teaching her how to dance, which she could’ve done with ANYONE? And she was already put on the fashion radar by Law so that credit doesn’t go to him, so business wise how is he so valuable?

 

“Well known around the world” is most certainly a reach. I dont see what he could possibly gain, as hes not well known by anyone outside of above average level fan, he’s only recieved negative press from the media and I don’t assume he’s getting paid a great amount either

[isabel leite]

You either decide to change your life, or your life will change you! In Celine's case her life changed her, she didn't want to be a widow, she didn't want to raise her kids alone , and above all she didn't want to lose the love of her life. We all know that life imposed this on her, and along with that comes change. She had to adapt to a new reality. She is now a single mom , and responsible for her career. As the song says 'she is flying on her own'. Now, she has discovered many new passions ( not really discovered but taken them seriously) She found herself making new friends and trying things that she had never tried before. This is what happens to everyone when your life suddely changes. You meet new people and in order to move on you allow yourself to try different things. Pepe became her friend and is now part of her team. I do believe that he has helped her go through this difficult period of her life. She has said that in so many interviews. I am sure that if Celine were just a common widow that started a friendship with a man, that happens to be gay, everyone would say 'good for you , that's exactly what you need. You aren't ready to be in a new relationship, and at the same time he is there for you.' Pepe is a talented young man , bringing Celine new ideas, and helping her to express herself. Would she be with Pepe if Rene were still alive? Of course not. She would be doing her shows, doing some touring, recording at times, and getting into her limo holding her husbands hand , and going home to her children. Happy for the life that she had. Now, as she has said 'Does she have a choice to do that'? No! As she once said and I thought it was beautiful 'I wish RIP meant return if possible. ' Pepe is helping her and I for one am glad that her team is united. She is a strong woman, I am sure that she will surprise us with many talents. I am sure that Rene is looking down and saying 'That's my wife and I am the proudest man ever'

[todos]

The whole Celine-Pepe thing went past me unnoticed.... I wondered why the thread was always growing and today I read the open letter from Celine's inner circle and my first impression was... that had better not been posted....

 

 

 

Too bad, actually she should be able to hang out with whoever she likes. I think reality is distorted too much, because too much is reported about him in a focused way. But he is her employee, a good friend and nothing else....For my part, I don't pay much attention to the matter....and would love to hear news regarding music and world tour.😀

Edited August 1, 2019 at 08:01 PM by todos

[maki_Dion-er]

Nice interview of him in Spanish.

https://smoda.elpais.com/moda/actualidad/pepe-munoz-estilista-celine-dion/

 

I'll post a few highlights for non-Spanish speakers that cover pretty well some opinions stated in the past few days.

 

1. He accompanied her to fashion shows in 2017 because it was a birthday gift she decided to give him when she realized he was into fashion/fashion illustration. That plus dancing lead to them becoming friends.

 

2. He says he spends most of his time on the phone with Sydney than with his family and boyfriend discussing outfits.

 

3. Celine's moto is always "why not". They bring her many choices but she has the final say. She picks the ones she likes the most depending on her mood that day. Each look is a character to her and demand a specific behavior. (If you ever think she looks a certain way it's probably an act she's putting on).

 

4. Her time is "golden" because she is super busy all the time so they take any opportunity to show her things.

 

 

So, basically, she doesn't spend all her time thinking about fashion. That's his and Sydney's job. She's so busy they sometimes have to seize any moment they can to show her options. So if it isn't fashion what else can she busy with? Maybe her music career? Her kids? Her companies? All of the above?

 

5. He said he is part of her creative team as a consultant.

 

6. His favorite look so far is the MET gala dress.

"To see her arrive at the MET looking like a goddess from another time period, with feathers and legs that take your breath away"

 

7. He dresses very low key when on the job because the cameras are for her. He's there to work.

 

8. About her love of fashion:

"Perhaps it's more public now but she has always loved fashion. In fact she's a collectionist"

 

9. Q: Is she daring?

"She's not daring, she is super daring"

 

10. Finally, he loves styling her but his passion is always illustration. He's drawing all the time, he loves to sketch his friends.

Edited August 1, 2019 at 08:17 PM by maki_Dion-er

[Critiaslux]

Nice interview of him in Spanish.

https://smoda.elpais...ta-celine-dion/

 

In El Pays ! waaaoo

Thank you google translate

 

Very interesting interview. It addresses quite a bunch of the questions that are raised here and there.

 

Love it especially those answers:

 

Es muy atrevida en sus elecciones ¿Tiene colores, formas, cortes o largos prohibidos?

No es atrevida ¡es atrevidísima! Creo que se ve desde fuera lo muchísimo que se divierte en todas estas apariciones. Nada está prohibido, ella es la mujer del “¿por qué no?” A veces le decimos: “Céline tenemos esto pero no sabemos si va a funcionar” y ella siempre dice: “¿Y por qué no?”. Se lo prueba y si no le gusta pues fuera y a otra cosa. Si alguien pudiera vernos en las horas antes de salir del hotel por un agujerito…

 

¿Cuál es tu estilismo favorito, el que recuerdas con más cariño?

El de la Gala MET de este año Camp, notes on fashion. Fue un sueño. Si lo pienso ahora mismo se me saltan las lágrimas ¿Te imaginas un chaval que se ha criado en Málaga, que deja de bailar porque quiere dibujar y está obsesionado con la moda, las showgirls del Lido, Moulin Rouge o Crazy Horse y las ilustraciones de René Gruau y que de repente se ve en una habitación de un hotel del Upper East Side de Nueva York con Fernando García y Laura Kim de Oscar de la Renta porque vienen a entregar un vestido con miles de cristales para Céline, y verla llegar al Metropolitan como una diosa salida de otra época, con plumas y unas piernas que quitaban la respiración? ¿Responde esto a tu pregunta?

El interés de Céline por la moda parece repentino. ¿Qué has tenido tú que ver con esa pasión?

Bueno, quizás ahora es más público, pero a ella le encanta la moda desde siempre. De hecho es coleccionista. Tiene una selección maravillosa.

 

¿Qué mensaje queréis transmitir con el vestuario de Céline?

Varias cosas. Céline tiene 51 años, es elegantísima por naturaleza, y cualquier cosa que se pone hace que parezca la más alta de las costuras… quizá el mensaje que quiere transmitir es lo que decíamos antes. ¿Por qué no?

 

Siempre apareces al lado de Céline vestido de negro…

Para ella la moda es infinita, y para mí la moda es algo funcional. Yo voy a París a trabajar y a hacer que ella esté impecable y perfecta a todas horas. Los focos para ella.

 

 

Thank you for sharing !

[sarit_celine]

I'll post a few highlights for non-Spanish speakers that cover pretty well some opinions stated in the past few days.

 

1. He accompanied her to fashion shows in 2017 because it was a birthday gift she decided to give him when she realized he was into fashion/fashion illustration. That plus dancing lead to them becoming friends.

 

2. He says he spends most of his time on the phone with Sydney than with his family and boyfriend discussing outfits.

 

3. Celine's moto is always "why not". They bring her many choices but she has the final say. She picks the ones she likes the most depending on her mood that day. Each look is a character to her and demand a specific behavior. (If you ever think she looks a certain way it's probably an act she's putting on).

 

4. Her time is "golden" because she is super busy all the time so they take any opportunity to show her things.

 

 

So, basically, she doesn't spend all her time thinking about fashion. That's his and Sydney's job. She's so busy they sometimes have to seize any moment they can to show her options. So if it isn't fashion what else can she busy with? Maybe her music career? Her kids? Her companies? All of the above?

 

5. He said he is part of her creative team as a consultant.

 

6. His favorite look so far is the MET gala dress.

"To see her arrive at the MET looking like a goddess from another time period, with feathers and legs that take your breath away"

 

7. He dresses very low key when on the job because the cameras are for her. He's there to work.

 

8. About her love of fashion:

"Perhaps it's more public now but she has always loved fashion. In fact she's a collectionist"

 

9. Q: Is she daring?

"She's not daring, she is super daring"

 

10. Finally, he loves styling her but his passion is always illustration. He's drawing all the time, he loves to sketch his friends.

 

Thank you for that!

[Jeanette]

My take from the article after using google translate of course lol is that he won’t be dancing with her on this tour, this tour is all her, her, her. I hope plus other dancers then because this world tour is crying out for visuals and something spectacular. I just wish he understood it’s not all about the outfits when referring to visuals but sadly I don’t think he does and really why should he, he has no experience with such things.

 

As I said in a previous post this tour badly needs a director like the TC tour or I worry it’s going to be 2017, 2018 tour with two catwalks either side of the stage and a couple of new songs. Oh let me be wrong!!!

 

Anyway, apologies, I know this post probably belongs in the World Tour thread.

Edited August 1, 2019 at 10:25 PM by Jeanette

[nuts2you]

https://www.etonline.com/celine-dions-team-responds-to-report-that-dancer-pepe-munoz-has-too-much-influence-over-her-129601

 

this aired last night,

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Because of what exactly? Because she wears here and there fashion couture or a swimsuit in Paris. ? Because of what really ? Do you realise ? Maybe because she has never sung as much live as what she is doing actually ? Because she is exploring again her repertoire ? Because she finally put all her repertoire on youtube ? Because her team said publicly that they love working with Pepe when the press was accusing him of abusing them? That s crazy for me. How did we reach this point ? What did she do since 4 years that leds to think that. ? Because she finally wears a decoleté and some crazy outfit. ? I’m sorry but I feel sad that for such innocent things people feel uncomfortable. I feel sorry that René built such a conservative image of an housewive with just a beautiful voice. And here we are. For nothing. People fell in love with the conservative housewife. Not the artist.

 

LOL - You come across like you’re Pepe in disguise, one of his friends, or part of “the inner circle”.

[scielle]

P.S. It saddens me to see the reactions to her Harper's Bazaar post on IG. Seems a lot of people have a problem with the artist and prefer the housewife.

 

Nice to see Jann Arden's post though!

 

 

jannarden Verified

 

You can’t dispute this massive talent and the influence she has on the world

[idroveallnight]

 

Technically that was Aldo after he took over when Rene got sick. Rene hired all of the others and Aldo wanted "carte blance" so he didn't renew any of their contracts. I think it was way of flexing his management style. But then he didn't last very long and they've yet to actually name a new manager. Which I think is part of the problem.

 

Maybe it looked like that bc of the timing, but that was no doubt something Rene told him to do and wanted to do for a long time.

[scielle]

New from Lainey - https://www.laineygossip.com/celine-dions-team-shuts-down-reports-that-pepe-munoz-trying-to-control-her/57229?celebrityId=20285

 

"I don’t know if this is naïve but… I’m not worried. I’m more worried that worrying about this undermines Celine’s agency and self-determination. We have seen her come through a terrible time, having to stare down the rest of her life, so much life, without the love of her life. She’s strong. She’s been having so much fun. Her career is in GREAT shape. She’s going back on tour. I don’t want to take that away from her because I think it would be insult to her, to believe that she could be blinded and taken advantage of like this. Should we believe in her? Do we have any reason not to?"

 

Full piece here.

[Céline RO]

My take from the article after using google translate of course lol is that he won’t be dancing with her on this tour, this tour is all her, her, her. I hope plus other dancers then because this world tour is crying out for visuals and something spectacular. I just wish he understood it’s not all about the outfits when referring to visuals but sadly I don’t think he does and really why should he, he has no experience with such things.

 

As I said in a previous post this tour badly needs a director like the TC tour or I worry it’s going to be 2017, 2018 tour with two catwalks either side of the stage and a couple of new songs. Oh let me be wrong!!!

 

Anyway, apologies, I know this post probably belongs in the World Tour thread.

 

I trust Yves and Denis. I know that they will come up with something great. They have been there on all of Céline’s world tours so they know what worked and what didn’t and also have so much experience.

[sarit_celine]

LOL - You come across like you're Pepe in disguise, one of his friends, or part of "the inner circle".

 

I feel your senstive soul, I wouldn't mind to even reply. How rude. Everyone is free to be SAD about things

that has to do with Celine.

[Jeanette]

 

 

I trust Yves and Denis. I know that they will come up with something great. They have been there on all of Céline’s world tours so they know what worked and what didn’t and also have so much experience.

 

Yves and Denis are able to offer us the visuals on screens and the lighting effects but with visuals I mean the whole package like each costume change should be divided into an act and each costume should fit in with the theme of the songs performed in that particular act. Just like with how TC Tour was broken down and each act named like Fashionista etc. Each act should tell a story in a way.

 

It’s the standard for all artists tours these days and I’m just not convinced that they can achieve this without some sort of direction.

 

For me, it’s not all about standing singing with some bizarre haute couture outfits but sadly I feel this is what we’ll get.

Edited August 2, 2019 at 12:41 PM by Jeanette

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Yves and Denis are able to offer us the visuals on screens and the lighting effects but with visuals I mean the whole package like each costume change should be divided into an act and each costume should fit in with the theme of the songs performed in that particular act. Just like with how TC Tour was broken down and each act named like Fashionista etc. Each act should tell a story in a way.

 

It’s the standard for all artists tours these days and I’m just not convinced that they can achieve this without some sort of direction.

 

For me, it’s not all about standing singing with some bizarre haute couture outfits but sadly I feel this is what we’ll get.

 

Actually, for me, unless its someone like Madonna or Ariana, tour design and visuals are getting lazier and lazier. People arent really doing huge productions anymore, its more of a “thing” to just be out dressed well singing with some pretty visuals on screens... its more “real” and “vulnerable”

 

The TC tour for me was kind of a mess in terms of the whole act thing. How could one call an act fashionista and then have her in janky bell-bottom rhinestoned trousers singing Im Alive, My Love and The Show Must Go On in the same set

Edited August 2, 2019 at 12:50 PM by AdrienneM

[scielle]

People arent really doing huge productions anymore, its more of a "thing" to just be out dressed well singing with some pretty visuals on screens... its more "real" and "vulnerable"

 

I doubt this is going to be the case, but I hope she just stands there and sings. No frills, no dancers, no props, no gimmicks.

I long for another tour like 2016. Just one outfit, Celine & a band. That's all that's needed.

[jpatdeleon09]

Nice interview of him in Spanish.

https://smoda.elpais.com/moda/actualidad/pepe-munoz-estilista-celine-dion/

 

I thought i will finally hear Pepe speaking in spanish lol

Edited August 2, 2019 at 02:20 PM by jpatdeleon09

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I doubt this is going to be the case, but I hope she just stands there and sings. No frills, no dancers, no props, no gimmicks.

I long for another tour like 2016. Just one outfit, Celine & a band. That's all that's needed.

 

I agree. I dont want to see Cirque De Celine again. I would, like you, much rather an english equivalent to the 2016 tour, but the chances of that happening are nigh on impossible

[Ajax]

Same here but it looks like she's going towards a big production show. That doesn't imply that we won't have some good musical moments. Also, she went with a big production / dance for A New Day, then got back to a more classical show around her voice and musicians, so as a whole, in term of global stretagy or creativity, I find it quite interesting and logical. Hope we will get something in the vein as the 2016 Tour right after which could be the case if they stick to their strategy.

[fred]

I know it's hard for us who don't follow in line giving nothing but praise to our Lord Godess, Pope, the angels and the archangels (record company and team). We somehow constantly seem to commit the sin of at times having a different opinion. When will we learn...

 

 

 

LOL - You come across like you’re Pepe in disguise, one of his friends, or part of “the inner circle”.

[sarit_celine]

I thought i will finally hear Pepe speaking in spanish lol

 

Maybe one day him and Celine will give an interview together?

Well there are some videos on youtube where he is speaking about dancing.

I can tell you that his spanish is very hard to understand because of the accent.

*I Admit he sounds cute there*.

[Jeanette]

I totally understand what people are saying, that they want just her in one costume, with a surprise setlist like 2016 tour. This worked for French audiences but it won’t work in America or English Speaking Europe. This format would be better suited to an acoustic type show and be billed as such. It would work much better as a short summer tour.

 

This being a world tour definitely needs production, production, production. I never bothered about a huge production before where Celine was concerned, as all I needed was THAT voice but let’s be honest, her voice has changed, although still beautiful live, but with the lipping thrown in to the mix and the maximum of around 22 songs, I feel we deserve our ticket value so huge production it should be.

[AdrienneM]

I totally understand what people are saying, that they want just her in one costume, with a surprise setlist like 2016 tour. This worked for French audiences but it won’t work in America or English Speaking Europe. This format would be better suited to an acoustic type show and be billed as such. It would work much better as a short summer tour.

 

This being a world tour definitely needs production, production, production. I never bothered about a huge production before where Celine was concerned, as all I needed was THAT voice but let’s be honest, her voice has changed, although still beautiful live, but with the lipping thrown in to the mix and the maximum of around 22 songs, I feel we deserve our ticket value so huge production it should be.

 

Well what do you expect? Her to sing 100+ shows purely live with a 30 song setlist?? She cant do that, no one can do that. 22 songs even compared to other artists is alot. And lets not discuss the whole touring schedule thing. But all im gonna say is, if Mariah Carey fans can get by and not complain about Mariah having lipped moments in 85% of her set list, we can and should, deal with maybe 6 out of 22

[RosieBarron]

Maybe one day him and Celine will give an interview together?

Well there are some videos on youtube where he is speaking about dancing.

I can tell you that his spanish is very hard to understand because of the accent.

*I Admit he sounds cute there*.

 

Joint interviews. Well that would certainly fan the flames...

[Jeanette]

 

 

Well what do you expect? Her to sing 100+ shows purely live with a 30 song setlist?? She cant do that, no one can do that. 22 songs even compared to other artists is alot. And lets not discuss the whole touring schedule thing. But all im gonna say is, if Mariah Carey fans can get by and not complain about Mariah having lipped moments in 85% of her set list, we can and should, deal with maybe 6 out of 22

 

No, I don’t expect 100+ songs but I don’t expect the setlist to get chopped the further into the tour she goes either, as what happened in the 2017 tour, well for the English dates anyway, which irks me even more knowing she gives longer shows in French without really changing or shortening those shows throughout the run. We’re all paying the same or similar crazy ticket prices. I also think that if she decides a song isn’t working or is struggling with it ie LMBTL, swap it out for something else, experimenting is fine but don’t drop it altogether and add more talking to fill the void.

 

I believe that someone of her standing should be able to give at least a 2 hr 30 min show and I don’t find that unreasonable, after all she spends a good 20 to 30 mins per show talking and changing costumes these days!

 

I was extremely disappointed that she couldn’t give us a full 2 hrs set at BST as per her allocated time slot.

 

I love the bones of her, I really do but these things really do irritate me, maybe it’s because I’ve paid out so much money to make the journeys to see her over the last couple of years and I know I will continue to do so, therefore just don’t think I’m being unreasonable.