The René Angélil legacy

January 15, 2019 at 12:56 AM

Fine y'all can say I'm insane I don't care at this point but I will share a story that I may or may not have shared from my trip to Vegas in 2016. Recall in November 2016 Celine had developed a viral infection which she had canceled a number of shows. Well this was like a week or two before my show. SO every night before i went to bed I'd pray and ask Rene to make her better in time for my show. Well she got better in time but the weirdest thing happened. So we are all very aware Rene loved "The Show Must Go On" The night before i remember saying something like "well Rene if you're there tomorrow I'll be at section (whatever) and row (whatever) come find me. I laughed when I said it and was all like yeah right ok. During TSMGO I felt something touch me I turned around nothing no one infact the seat behind me was empty so I moved over a little bit then suddenly I felt something come next to me I kinda went "Rene? is that you?" I am not joking you when i say the second the song ended whatever the heck it was went away. I couldn't feel it anymore. I know the story sounds weird and some people might laugh think I'm losing it and that's fine we are all entitled to our own opinions but i'd like to believe it was Rene and that he is there every night and sits at his chair and watches the show even to this day.

January 15, 2019 at 01:11 AM

I believe you 100% i feel rene is with all of us who love and support him and Celine. Thats why Celine talks to him still everyday she probably feels him the most around her just like when she felt a sign to record how does a moment last forever

January 16, 2019 at 03:34 AM

What a simply amazing story, Kristinaz. I do not laugh at things like that and I do not think you are crazy. I have suggested to a fan friend when she was worried Celine would not be well enough to sing on the night they were supposed to go that they talk to Rene and ask him to do whatever it is they can do wherever it is he is. It has worked for them also and I am soooooo happy to hear it did for you, too. And yes, he does love that song, I love it so much that he did come find you and that you, in tun, were open enough to notice that. Way to go, those are the rare, precious, miraculous little moments in life, huh? I love what you did! And yes, I believe he is there every night still, and will be even when the show ends and she moves on, if she does, to whatever is next.

January 16, 2019 at 01:20 PM

Rene's passing is a day I will never forget. It still is hard to believe that he is gone. He has been at the center of many moments that have made us fans happy. Though many people were critical of him and thought he held Celine back, I think we can see that "Celine without a manager" has not been too fruitful in terms of getting new music of live releases.

January 16, 2019 at 01:39 PM

I’ll never forget hearing about Rene’s passing. I was on a flight back from Vegas...I got the chance to meet her before her show the night before and she seemed in such high spirits. We had WiFi onboard the flight and I saw a tweet from People magazine announcing his death. I had 6 hours left of the flight and was heartbroken.

I met René back in 2013 and he was a perfect gentlemen. RIP our dear René.

I’m so glad she’s continuing her career, for René.

January 16, 2019 at 02:28 PM

I never had a chance to meet him, but it's pretty extraordinary to have a super successful exec who seems so universally loved by everyone who worked with him.

I mean, to get to a certain level, you generally have to be pretty cutthroat and have some sharp elbows at times. But he seemed nothing like that at all - quite the opposite, in fact - and yet he managed to achieve so much, against all odds.

Celine was so lucky to have him in her life. There was so much history there, and she must still miss him so much. It must be such a massive hole in her life.

And I hope that if there's ever a proper doc or feature biopic or something like that made about her, I hope Rene gets properly reflected. It irritates me so much when people assume the worst about him simply because they started working together when she was so young (especially now...) There's so much misinformation floating around out there and even fairly reputable media often get basic details wrong (like when they married - I mean, come on, this is basic journalism!)

While her personal life is nobody's business, I do sometimes wish Celine would set some of these people straight!

January 16, 2019 at 03:38 PM

I never had a chance to meet him, but it's pretty extraordinary to have a super successful exec who seems so universally loved by everyone who worked with him.
I mean, to get to a certain level, you generally have to be pretty cutthroat and have some sharp elbows at times. But he seemed nothing like that at all - quite the opposite, in fact - and yet he managed to achieve so much, against all odds.

Celine was so lucky to have him in her life. There was so much history there, and she must still miss him so much. It must be such a massive hole in her life.

And I hope that if there's ever a proper doc or feature biopic or something like that made about her, I hope Rene gets properly reflected. It irritates me so much when people assume the worst about him simply because they started working together when she was so young (especially now...) There's so much misinformation floating around out there and even fairly reputable media often get basic details wrong (like when they married - I mean, come on, this is basic journalism!)
While her personal life is nobody's business, I do sometimes wish Celine would set some of these people straight!

I agree. Also when it comes to Rene and his legacy, and what he thought Celine.

I think even bigger than helping to mold her insanely amazing career was the fact that Celine many times has said that Rene kept her “grounded” and “humble”. Those things are what makes Celine who she is today even more than her amazing talent.

She started so so young and I’m almost certain without Rene guiding her as she has said “ to do the gig, have a good time and go back home, always go back home”. I think without Rene, Celine wouldn’t have enjoyed this longevity.

Happy Birthday René.

January 16, 2019 at 05:39 PM

Admiration. That is the first word that comes to my mind when I think about Rene. He was sensitive enough to perceive a young talent. He had the courage to invest in her when nobody else wanted to. Yes he molded her in the begining, she was a young girl with no experience. Not only did he help to form the artist, but the woman as well. When she received the Order of Canada Honour she said it clearly 'Thank you Rene for the woman and the artist that I am.' He was responsible for creating , organizing and administrating an entire career. All she had to do was sing as well as possible. I am not saying that her part was easy,(quite the opposite) As she has said so many times 'All I had to do was jump in the water because I knew that the pool would be filled and warm'. Finally, what I most admire about Rene is the respect that he had for her. He respected her innocence as she said during her Taking Chances tour 'He respected my innocence and that is one of the reasons why I fell in love with him'. He respected her ideas ,likes and dislikes . During the Michel Jasmin intreview it was clear that in the begining he set the rules but after Celine took charge. Concluding no woman in my point of view would show so much love for a man unless he was a heck of a man! Rene , Thanks for giving us the artist and thanks for giving Celine so much love! Happy birthday!

January 17, 2019 at 05:16 AM

I think my two favorite moments from her career was when she was recording Falling Into You and she had an idea but was afraid to tell him and he encouraged her to find her own artistic voice and style. And when she got the idea for the part of Don't Save It All For Xmas Day that she wrote and he kept telling her, I think this is yours

those two moments really move and always inspire me. Happy birthday, Rene!

January 17, 2019 at 08:30 AM

I am a little late to post on the forum tonight, but Happy Birthday in heaven to Rene. I will never forget you, the amazing thing you did for Celine's career, your incredible love story and the wonderful person you were and will always be until the end of time! :giggle:

January 17, 2019 at 11:19 AM

Celine wished Rene a Happy Birthday Last Night before singing your the voice and dedicated my heart will go on to him at the end of the show and was very emotional according to alot of people’s Instagram posts

January 17, 2019 at 11:27 AM

https://instagram.com/sheilastotts?utm_source=ig_profile_share&igshid=yihyc71zpnq8 Sheila stotts celines hair team posted Renes hand Celine shakes every night before the show in her Instagram story check it out

January 17, 2019 at 08:24 PM

Rene's passing is a day I will never forget. It still is hard to believe that he is gone. He has been at the center of many moments that have made us fans happy. Though many people were critical of him and thought he held Celine back, I think we can see that "Celine without a manager" has not been too fruitful in terms of getting new music of live releases.

You're right on spot with that. I was one of those thinking he held Celine back but actually it was the opposite, it was Céline saying "NO" to 80% of the things René proposed her to do and what we finally saw come to fruition was only the remaining 20%, just a small portion of the things René wanted her to do (this was said by René himself I think in the AND documentaries).

So he didn't lie... here we are on the sixth year waiting for a new English album, when René wouldn't probably have allowed more than 3 years for the next album...

Edited January 17, 2019 at 08:34 PM by Javito

January 17, 2019 at 08:35 PM

You're right on spot with that. I was one of those thinking he held Celine back but actually it was the opposite, it was Céline saying "NO" to 80% of the things René proposed her to do and what we finally saw come to fruition was a small portion of the things René wanted her to do (this was said by René himself I think in the AND documentaries).

So he didn't lie... here we are on the sixth year waiting for a new English album, when René wouldn't probably have allowed more than 3 years for the next album...

Plain and simple, no matter our opinion on what his decisions were or were not, without him she probably would’ve have never been a big star; I think we all know that talent IS NOT enough.

January 17, 2019 at 10:38 PM

So he didn't lie... here we are on the sixth year waiting for a new English album, when René wouldn't probably have allowed more than 3 years for the next album...

Well, if we get an album full of gems like A Change is Gonna Come - songs Celine picks because they resonate with her - maybe it will have been worth the wait!

January 17, 2019 at 11:07 PM

https://youtu.be/oqMVZpW3n8Q Last night at the end blowing a kiss to rene

January 17, 2019 at 11:14 PM

https://www.facebook.com/163185517061777/posts/2156596001054042/

Dion, 50, spoke of a song titled “You’re the Voice” by Australian singer John Farnham. She proceeded to guide the 4,000-strong crowd through the chorus before saying, “This is the greatest gift that I can offer him for his birthday, because what he loved the most in the world is the fans, the music and to see me perform for you,” adding, “Are you ready to sing that for Rene?”

The crowd helped the French-Canadian legend through the chorus, to which they applauded Dion.

Looking up to the heavens, Dion blew a kiss and said, “Happy birthday, my love.”

Turning back to the crowd at Caesars Palace, she added, “I couldn’t have offered him a better gift.”

January 17, 2019 at 11:22 PM

People magazine also share it as well https://people.com/music/celine-dion-sings-tribute-rene-angelil-birthday/

January 18, 2019 at 08:57 AM

You're right on spot with that. I was one of those thinking he held Celine back but actually it was the opposite, it was Céline saying "NO" to 80% of the things René proposed her to do and what we finally saw come to fruition was only the remaining 20%, just a small portion of the things René wanted her to do (this was said by René himself I think in the AND documentaries).

So he didn't lie... here we are on the sixth year waiting for a new English album, when René wouldn't probably have allowed more than 3 years for the next album...

Rene wouldnt have allowed more than three years.... thas why SA and LMBTL were 5 and 6 years respectively lol

January 18, 2019 at 07:58 PM

Rene wouldnt have allowed more than three years.... thas why SA and LMBTL were 5 and 6 years respectively lol

We had live albums and DVDs...3 in total if you count both TCWT sets.

January 18, 2019 at 10:48 PM

Rene wouldnt have allowed more than three years.... thas why SA and LMBTL were 5 and 6 years respectively lol

Between D'elles and Sans attendre we had a new English album (released the same year as D'elles), a live DVD in 2007, TWO live DVDs of the 2008 world tour and if that wasn't enough, another DVD documentary in 2010. Not bad, don't you think?

Between Taking Chances and LMBTL we had all that PLUS the new French album released the year before, so we had two consecutive studio albums in 2012 and 2013.

From LMBTL until Encore un soir she took 3 years to record again new songs. And from EUS to this damn new album... well, we're on the third year of waiting again :whistling:

Do you still think all the aforementioned has any comparison at all with the current situation??? :rolleyes: :doh:

January 18, 2019 at 11:49 PM

Between D'elles and Sans attendre we had a new English album (released the same year as D'elles), a live DVD in 2007, TWO live DVDs of the 2008 world tour and if that wasn't enough, another DVD documentary in 2010. Not bad, don't you think?

Between Taking Chances and LMBTL we had all that PLUS the new French album released the year before, so we had two consecutive studio albums in 2012 and 2013.

From LMBTL until Encore un soir she took 3 years to record again new songs. And from EUS to this damn new album... well, we're on the third year of waiting again

Do you still think all the aforementioned has any comparison at all with the current situation??? :rolleyes:

May Rene Rest In Peace, but whomever let go of Aldo made a huge mistake, ... everything he was working on while manager seemed positive as if the train was on the right track . He left and the whole team has been sleeping.

Edited January 18, 2019 at 11:59 PM by Nmj

January 19, 2019 at 12:09 AM

Yeah, now it’s very clear that Rene was the one who pushed Celine and insisted on certain standards when it comes to releases etc. And look now... the fans get nothing

January 19, 2019 at 01:48 AM

I'm still thankful we don't have to wait for 15 years like Shania fans, and I hope we won't. I don't dare to say we were more lucky because I still don't know when the next album will come, but so far, we still get a lot from Celine, although EUS is not English album, but it still took some effort and time to finish that album, we can not pretend it was nothing, and it's a great album.

I'm thankful when Rene still around, and I miss to see them together, but some changes always lead to another changes. Even if Rene still around nothing's gonna stay the same. There's nothing in this world will stay the same. Even the machine will stop working sometimes. I think every decade she will slowing down, 90's, 2000's and so on we will get less and less, the rhythm will slowing down, it's natural.

January 19, 2019 at 07:16 AM

When somebody needs you

It's no good unless he needs you, all the way

Through the good or lean years

And for all the in-between years, come what may

Who knows where the road will lead us

Only a fool would say

But if you'll let me love you

It's for sure I'm gonna love you, all the way, all the way

January 19, 2019 at 08:53 AM

I believe you 100% i feel rene is with all of us who love and support him and Celine. Thats why Celine talks to him still everyday she probably feels him the most around her just like when she felt a sign to record how does a moment last forever

What a simply amazing story, Kristinaz. I do not laugh at things like that and I do not think you are crazy. I have suggested to a fan friend when she was worried Celine would not be well enough to sing on the night they were supposed to go that they talk to Rene and ask him to do whatever it is they can do wherever it is he is. It has worked for them also and I am soooooo happy to hear it did for you, too. And yes, he does love that song, I love it so much that he did come find you and that you, in tun, were open enough to notice that. Way to go, those are the rare, precious, miraculous little moments in life, huh? I love what you did! And yes, I believe he is there every night still, and will be even when the show ends and she moves on, if she does, to whatever is next.

I’m so glad you guys believe me and that you enjoyed the story. Also nice to hear that story about your friend sfbaysinger. It’s good to know that I’m not the only one who has had this type of experience. I find it comforting that even in the afterlife Rene continues to do what he can for the fans and of course for his family. Rene was a rare gem who truly cared about the fans. I don’t know many managers who are that way and because he was this way we got so many things and because he was this way he pushed Celine to do things she may have otherwise not done. Was it MHWGO she didn’t initially want to do?? Well we all know how that worked lol so yes I think we all miss Rene but I like to believe he’s with us and hears us. I also believe he gives Celine signs now whether she listens to his signs or not is a different story :lol: sorry I know this is a bit more serious thread but had to throw in a little bit of humour I know Rene would have enjoyed it.

January 19, 2019 at 06:27 PM

Between D'elles and Sans attendre we had a new English album (released the same year as D'elles), a live DVD in 2007, TWO live DVDs of the 2008 world tour and if that wasn't enough, another DVD documentary in 2010. Not bad, don't you think?

Between Taking Chances and LMBTL we had all that PLUS the new French album released the year before, so we had two consecutive studio albums in 2012 and 2013.

From LMBTL until Encore un soir she took 3 years to record again new songs. And from EUS to this damn new album... well, we're on the third year of waiting again

Do you still think all the aforementioned has any comparison at all with the current situation??? :rolleyes:

Why do you think i said 5 and 6 years respectively? Because they had english and french albums released parallel to each other. And you are correct, it was 3 years between SA and EUS, so what do you think that means :hmm:

Since 2013 we’ve had Une Seule Fois (which featured bonus’ from Paris later on in that year), the 2016 “tour documentary”, Encore Un Soir, Three amazing record breaking summer tours, Tokyo 2018 (not released for sale yet, however is available to stream online), two fashion launches, a new (albeit unsuccessful release) BATB song AND a new (and successful) movie song via Deadpool.

So yes, I do. So yes it may have been 6 years between english albums, but that was also the case with TC and LMBTL, you cant take into account what happend between those times and then not take into account whats happend between 2013 and 2019....

And 3 years between SA and EUS and most likely then 3 years between EUS and this new album isnt bad at all. Certainly in comparison to other legends who youre lucky if theyve released an album this decade, let alone 3 without including the upcoming album. Id say 4 albums in a decade ( nearly 40 years into your career) is damn good.

Perfect example being Celines 90s counterpart Mariah, only 2 albums this decade with 4 years between MOAIA and MIAM:TEC. Or 15 years like Shania ORRRR 6 years for Whitney

The whole fandom is simply spoiled because from 1990-1999 we got 10 (new) albums and then from 2002-2004 got 3 consecutive albums OF COURSE SHES GONNA SLOW DOWN LOL

Edited January 19, 2019 at 06:31 PM by Dion2000

January 20, 2019 at 02:35 AM

2000 collector’s series

2001 ...

2002 a new day has come

2003 one heart

2003 1 filles 4 types

2004 miracle

2004 a new day live vegas

2005 on ne change pas

2006 ...

2007 d’elles

2007 taking chances

2007 a new day

2008 my love (essentials)

2009 ...

2010 throught the eyes of the world

2010 taking chances concert/le spectacle

2011 ...

2012 sans attendre

2013 loved me back to life

2014 une seule fois

2015 ...

2016 encore un soir

2017 ...

2018 ...

2019 ...

Well yeah i miss René because he was thinking about the fans in the world not just the people that can go to vegas. Where are the 2016-2017-2018 tours dvd? Live albums? Well something for the fans that cant go in europe or asia or vegas? The only release is encore un soir and she started doing it when René was still there so its a little because of him too!

Edited January 20, 2019 at 02:36 AM by actofcontrition

January 20, 2019 at 11:38 AM

Well yeah i miss René because he was thinking about the fans in the world not just the people that can go to vegas. Where are the 2016-2017-2018 tours dvd? Live albums? Well something for the fans that cant go in europe or asia or vegas? The only release is encore un soir and she started doing it when René was still there so its a little because of him too!

THIS!!! :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

Since the second residency started they never quite cared much about the international fanbase she has, but what has happened in the last 6 years is outrageous. And I mean way before René got sick again. Because even before LMBTL album was released, her releases calendar was already a mess and it was only about Vegas, Vegas and more Vegas :innocent: :sick:

But at least René would wake up soon and would never let more than 2 years go by without a new Céline release available for everyone, call it a new album, a live album, a new DVD, or even a book. He was well aware that not every fan was thinking about their Vegas shows and spending loads of money to go see just one concert.

A CD lasts forever. A new album is there forever. It's her legacy what's recorded on those plastic rounded things. Not if she's doing 1,000 or 2,000 shows like in marathonian mode. Just saying :whistling:

Edited January 20, 2019 at 11:40 AM by Javito

January 20, 2019 at 12:05 PM

THIS!!! :clap1: :clap1:

Since the second residency started they never quite cared much about the international fanbase she has, but what has happened in the last 6 years is outrageous. And I mean way before René got sick again. Because even before LMBTL album was released, her releases calendar was already a mess and it was only about Vegas, Vegas and more Vegas

But at least René would wake up soon and would never let more than 2 years go by without a new Céline release available for everyone, call it a new album, a live album, a new DVD, or even a book. He was well aware that not every fan was thinking about their Vegas shows and spending loads of money to go see just one concert.

A CD lasts forever. A new album is there forever. It's her legacy what's recorded on those plastic rounded things. Not if she's doing 1,000 or 2,000 shows like in marathonian mode. Just saying

Hopefully this is what Celine has in mind after Vegas..... we really need this English album now....

Kev x

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