The René Angélil legacy

January 17, 2017 at 12:37 AM

When you put a video out for all the world to see, people will have opinions about it.

If it was her private way of mourning, then you can say: you have no business having any opinion about it, and then you are 100% right. People indeed have no business having an opinion about her private ways of mourning.

That's not the case here. It's a staged, produced video made with clear intent for the public.

Yes, it may help her in her grieving to share this, I realy hope so, but it still is made for the public to see.

You can't say people aren't allowed to express what they feel when they watch it, when it is also (in part) made for them to see.

And I did not read anything disrespectful here. Everyone here is touched by the intent with which she did this as far as I can tell. We all feel very deeply for her. It's just that for some the choices she made just don't resonate completely with everybody.

And to the people who really loved everything about it and were only deeply touched with no mixed feelings, I envy you.

And about the other thing that was just said here. I also envy people who will like and love everything Celine will do in the future, including mimicking Sia's voice in future albums and performances.

But I am afraid there aren't many of her audience who will. If Jane Fonda decided to act like Abigail Breslin (haha, I don't know how I came up with her, it just happened), because she is just a big fan of hers, I believe many of her fans will say: what happened to my favourite actress? Even if Abigail Breslin is good in acting (and believe me I also love me some Sia), that doesn't mean Jane Fonda should look and act and talk exactly the same.

I can't imagine people who love Michael Jackson would have loved it if, when he was still alive, he decided to sing just like Enrique Iglesias or Andrea Boccelli. I don't think that would have been a wise decision career wise.

Edited January 17, 2017 at 12:39 AM by Dionism

January 17, 2017 at 12:51 AM

When you put a video out for all the world to see, people will have opinions about it.

If it was her private way of mourning, then you can say: you have no business having any opinion about it, and then you are 100% right. People indeed have no business having an opinion about her private ways of mourning.

That's not the case here. It's a staged, produced video made with clear intent for the public.

Yes, it may help her in her grieving to share this, I realy hope so, but it still is made for the public to see.

You can't say people aren't allowed to express what they feel when they watch it, when it is also (in part) made for them to see.

And I did not read anything disrespectful here. Everyone here is touched by the intent with which she did this as far as I can tell. We all feel very deeply for her. It's just that for some the choices she made just don't resonate completely with everybody.

And to the people who really loved everything about it and were only deeply touched with no mixed feelings, I envy you.

And about the other thing that was just said here. I also envy people who will like and love everything Celine will do in the future, including mimicking Sia's voice in future albums and performances.

But I am afraid there aren't many of her audience who will. If Jane Fonda decided to act like Abigail Breslin (haha, I don't know how I came up with her, it just happened), because she is just a big fan of hers, I believe many of her fans will say: what happened to my favourite actress? Even if Abigail Breslin is good in acting (and believe me I also love me some Sia), that doesn't mean Jane Fonda should look and act and talk exactly the same.

I can't imagine people who love Michael Jackson would have loved it if, when he was still alive, he decided to sing just like Enrique Iglesias or Andrea Boccelli. I don't think that would have been a wise decision career wise.

Perfectly stated! My thoughts exactly

January 17, 2017 at 12:54 AM

When you put a video out for all the world to see, people will have opinions about it.

If it was her private way of mourning, then you can say: you have no business having any opinion about it, and then you are 100% right. People indeed have no business having an opinion about her private ways of mourning.

That's not the case here. It's a staged, produced video made with clear intent for the public.

Yes, it may help her in her grieving to share this, I realy hope so, but it still is made for the public to see.

You can't say people aren't allowed to express what they feel when they watch it, when it is also (in part) made for them to see.

And I did not read anything disrespectful here. Everyone here is touched by the intent with which she did this as far as I can tell. We all feel very deeply for her. It's just that for some the choices she made just don't resonate completely with everybody.

And to the people who really loved everything about it and were only deeply touched with no mixed feelings, I envy you.

And about the other thing that was just said here. I also envy people who will like and love everything Celine will do in the future, including mimicking Sia's voice in future albums and performances.

But I am afraid there aren't many of her audience who will. If Jane Fonda decided to act like Abigail Breslin (haha, I don't know how I came up with her, it just happened), because she is just a big fan of hers, I believe many of her fans will say: what happened to my favourite actress? Even if Abigail Breslin is good in acting (and believe me I also love me some Sia), that doesn't mean Jane Fonda should look and act and talk exactly the same.

I can't imagine people who love Michael Jackson would have loved it if, when he was still alive, he decided to sing just like Enrique Iglesias or Andrea Boccelli. I don't think that would have been a wise decision career wise.

well said,but honestly I haven't listened to sia's version so I can't say if she's singing it the same way

January 17, 2017 at 01:07 AM

To everyone complaining about Celine's Sia obsession, may I just remind you that you're spending your time on a Celine Dion forum? :laugh:

Pot, kettle.

January 17, 2017 at 02:16 AM

I didn't like that video for the same reasons many ppl has mentioned above, and her singing sounds bad and screechy.

I still love Celine, and I still respect her.

January 17, 2017 at 02:34 AM

To everyone complaining about Celine's Sia obsession, may I just remind you that you're spending your time on a Celine Dion forum?
Pot, kettle.

I wonder what her forum name is? SiaRocksForever or IWasCrazyAboutAdeleOnce :laugh:

:laugh: Edited January 17, 2017 at 02:41 AM by DionFanAlways

January 17, 2017 at 03:03 AM

I wonder what her forum name is? SiaRocksForever or IWasCrazyAboutAdeleOnce :laugh:

not very faithful :giggle:

January 17, 2017 at 03:28 AM

I wonder what her forum name is? SiaRocksForever or IWasCrazyAboutAdeleOnce :laugh:

Maybe she logs on after the kids are asleep and complains about how Sia totally doesn't write enough for other artists.

And how her new wig is just sooo unfeminine. And how she totally needs to stop using that wired mike. And, like, what's with those black & white album covers!

January 17, 2017 at 03:39 AM

Maybe she logs on after the kids are asleep and complains about how Sia totally doesn't write enough for other artists.

And how her new wig is just sooo unfeminine. And how she totally needs to stop using that wired mike. And, like, what's with those black & white album covers!

Now, wouldn't that be funny :sofunny:

January 17, 2017 at 03:44 AM

You know, interesting how we barely even notice all those barely-out-of-puberty near-naked popstars gyrating & basically simulating sex live on stage anymore, and yet watching someone crying in a fetal position is seen as tasteless and makes us uncomfortable.

Bit of a double standard, no?

Is it that the former is in the abstract and the latter was so obviously about a specific person? Because if that My Love video had not been released on the anniversary of Rene's death, and if the photos were just blurry enough so that you couldn't really see who's on them, and if it wasn't accompanied by that very personal caption, it would be just another music video. Lord knows, there are plenty like it.

This is just IACBTMN with a lower budget, better acting and no abstract motorcycle-riding guy.

Edited January 17, 2017 at 03:53 AM by scielle

January 17, 2017 at 03:57 AM

not very faithful

:innocent: :giggle:

Bit of a double standard, no?

This is just IACBTMN with a lower budget, better acting and no abstract motorcycle-riding guy.

Maybe she's not gyrating enough? Lol.

I thought it was artistic and tastefully done.

Edit Ok that's odd what it did to your post Scielle.

Edited January 17, 2017 at 03:59 AM by DionFanAlways

January 17, 2017 at 06:13 AM

http://www.gala.fr/l...scandale_384016

Céline Dion : un documentaire diffusé sur NRJ12 fait scandale

Produit par Matthieu Delormeau, le documentaire de la discorde intitulé Céline et René: La vie sans lui a été diffusé le samedi 14 janvier sur NRJ12, un an pile après la mort de René Angélil.

Did anyone see this docu? What did they say?

Edited January 17, 2017 at 06:20 AM by comingback

January 17, 2017 at 06:34 AM

http://www.gala.fr/l...scandale_384016

Céline Dion : un documentaire diffusé sur NRJ12 fait scandale

Produit par Matthieu Delormeau, le documentaire de la discorde intitulé Céline et René: La vie sans lui a été diffusé le samedi 14 janvier sur NRJ12, un an pile après la mort de René Angélil.

Did anyone see this docu? What did they say?

The Red Heads freaked out about it.. but there's no English explanation about what happened...

January 17, 2017 at 07:53 AM

well said,but honestly I haven't listened to sia's version so I can't say if she's singing it the same way

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=-kFBDFc2fQE

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January 17, 2017 at 08:53 AM

http://www.gala.fr/l...scandale_384016

Céline Dion : un documentaire diffusé sur NRJ12 fait scandale

Produit par Matthieu Delormeau, le documentaire de la discorde intitulé Céline et René: La vie sans lui a été diffusé le samedi 14 janvier sur NRJ12, un an pile après la mort de René Angélil.

Did anyone see this docu? What did they say?

Ya I would like to know what this was all about too?

January 17, 2017 at 09:21 AM

We are entirely assuming the idea that this video comes 100% from Celine, and the decision of making it public too. And the truth is that we don't know. Maybe it was someone else's idea, someone from her team close to her. Or the person who filmed the video. Maybe it was something personal to keep for her and the person who filmed the video proposed to make it public and share it with the fans... Who knows. We cannot judge that and make Céline 100% responsible if we don't know all the details

Edited January 17, 2017 at 09:22 AM by Javito

January 17, 2017 at 11:23 AM

We are entirely assuming the idea that this video comes 100% from Celine, and the decision of making it public too. And the truth is that we don't know. Maybe it was someone else's idea, someone from her team close to her. Or the person who filmed the video. Maybe it was something personal to keep for her and the person who filmed the video proposed to make it public and share it with the fans... Who knows. We cannot judge that and make Céline 100% responsible if we don't know all the details

AMEN! Each and every one of us in this forum speaks as if we have the whole picture. We don't. We have NO idea what is going on behind the scenes and we are certainly in no position to judge without all the facts. We can express our opinions all we want (she should wear that or say this or sing the other) but truth of the matter is we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes and most importantly inside her head.

Is she or is she not one of the greatest singers out there for the past few decades? End of story. We want her to be even greater than she is and we want her to have longevity (which I'm sure she also wants herself), I get that. And we are all coming from a place of wanting her to be well. But at some point we just need to accept that we are her fans. We are not her manager, we are not her stylist, we are not her sister, mother, cousin, friend or whatever else would allow us to have an 'inside' view of what is going on.

We might criticize her all we want about this latest video but we also need to acknowledge that it takes GUTS (hell, it takes big b...lls) to put that out there because she opened herself to all kinds of criticism. Does she care? Judging by the fact that she did it anyway I'd haphazard a guess that she doesn't. And in my book, this shows guts. So once again, R E S P E C T.

That doesn't mean I like everything she does or wears or sings or whatever. But she is who she is and I try to accept her AS she is. I either like her as a whole and accept that she's not perfect (the definition of which is VERY subjective) or I move on. While I enjoy the conversations we have in this forum very much, sometimes they remind me of what happens between partners (and we women are guilty of doing this much more than men)....we don't easily accept our partner as he is; we accept him for the potential for change we see in him. So when we meet someone that ticks some of the boxes we immediately start thinking of how we can change him in the areas he doesn't tick the boxes. I think it's the same with Celine. We all admire her for different reasons and we are constantly wishing we could get her to change those things that we don't like so much. Which is, I think, a waste of energy. She is who she is and she certainly can't please everyone.

Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm right because I'm most probably not. It's my personal opinion. From what I've seen so far, showbiz and the music industry are two very very unforgiving and savage beasts and there is not one single measure that fits all. But what I know for sure is that it takes guts to persevere and keep going without being affected by the constant 'bombarding' of everyone's criticism.

Take that latest poop of a 'documentary' that NJR put out for example....did you guys see the RH montage on FB? What a bunch of %#%£€^%^@$&&$!!!!! I'm not saying everyone should worship Celine but do you have to be so mean for crying out loud? That blonde woman in the end that said "Her heart might be locked but we don't know about her pants" how dare she???? I thought Greek TV was 'pour la poubelle' (for the garbage bin) but holy Moses this is so much worse :S

January 17, 2017 at 11:40 AM

We are entirely assuming the idea that this video comes 100% from Celine, and the decision of making it public too. And the truth is that we don't know. Maybe it was someone else's idea, someone from her team close to her. Or the person who filmed the video. Maybe it was something personal to keep for her and the person who filmed the video proposed to make it public and share it with the fans... Who knows. We cannot judge that and make Céline 100% responsible if we don't know all the details

Well, according to her Twitter post, Denise Truscello shot it - http://www.celinedionforum.com/topic/54142-sad-news-rene-has-passed-away/page__st__2910#entry2222517

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just her & Celine doing this. Celine probably ran in by Aldo and others, but I do feel the idea came from her.

Edited January 17, 2017 at 11:40 AM by scielle

January 17, 2017 at 12:34 PM

Well, according to her Twitter post, Denise Truscello shot it - http://www.celinedio...10#entry2222517

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just her & Celine doing this. Celine probably ran in by Aldo and others, but I do feel the idea came from her.

So Céline probably wanted those moments to be filmed and she asked Denise to do it, but maybe it was initially *just* for her personal use and as a private memento of her grief. Then maybe Denise or whoever watched the video afterwards, they liked it, and proposed the idea to offer it publicly to the fans, and Céline agreed??? Who knows!!!..............

January 17, 2017 at 03:20 PM

I gotta say the hand needs to go. It's everwhere now and starting to be creepy...

The video should have ended at 1:44... the rest makes me very uncomfortable. Very awkward...

Like who does that... then who films that...and who releases that?

January 17, 2017 at 04:08 PM

. Edited January 17, 2017 at 04:13 PM by browseceline

January 17, 2017 at 04:20 PM

And it is feed for all people that think she is weird and who want to ridicule her. We know better of course.

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Exactly. Did you watched the bye bye 2016 in quebec, they made a sketch just abt the hand...

I know she's in grief and she's an open book and that she wants to share her happyness and sadness with her fans which i appreciate, but this video and the hand are going a bit too far.

January 17, 2017 at 05:02 PM

Celine's emotion and sadness are genuine - I don't doubt that. And while the video is very touching and sad, I do find it a bit theatrical and staged. But Celine does everything in ways that are theatrical, dramatic, and often a bit over-the-top. It doesn't mean her feelings aren't genuine. I think this is just one way for her to process her emotions about Rene's death - if that processing is through a staged, dramatic piece of music, that makes sense because that's how she's processed a lot of things in her life.

January 17, 2017 at 06:15 PM

Breaking News

Sia will perform Mariah's Hit "Obsessed" @ Grammy 2017, in honer to her biggest fan, Celine Dion

January 17, 2017 at 06:34 PM

You know TC may read this forum, don't give them ideas :giggle:

January 17, 2017 at 08:07 PM

I think this video is her reaction to her own way of dealing with her loss throughout 2016 by acting as if she was doing OK. For every 1 time she expressed her pain there are 10 times of her being goofy or acting like a fashion model or dodging personal questions during interviews. Even songs like SCAR and Recovering give the impression that she in a place of reflecting her past and recovering when maybe this is not the case. Maybe even with these songs she was pushing herself to move to the next phase, while in reality she was still in grief, thinking about the loss and not the past, hurting and not really recovering. That is my two cents. I do not have a degree in psychology, but I really feel Celine is struggling. The fact that she seemingly accepts that, instead of being in denial about it, feels like the healthier approach to me.

I agree with what you say.

I think it would be easier if you were in her position to bat off questions and people's sympathy by saying your OK if you are not really ready to talk about it. After all there is not obligation on her to share what she feels and she does have to protect her family. Of course there was more going on than she was making out, there had to be after a loss like that, you just had to read between the lines. I guess this video was her way of sharing her pain with the world. It is probably a release for her to share this and part of a healing process.

I also think that after a year or so the shock of a bereavement starts to wear off and the hard reality kicks in. Keeping busy and keeping going was probably the right thing for her and the kids, now here she is taking a moment for her to reflect and for herself.

January 18, 2017 at 07:17 AM

She could replace Sia ego by Gaga ego :w00t:

Million Reasons is an amazing song, can you imagine Celine's voice on it :clap:

January 18, 2017 at 07:46 PM

Is it me or her pronunciation is really bad?

I don't even mean her accent ..

I liked it because it's totally imperfect , it sounds like a naive child or a disabled person (sorry)singing ...

But then I remain with 2 questions :

- Was it done on purpose ? Or...

- I read all these comments about being staged or too intimate to be shared... something else is worrying me more : can someone tell her she's not Sia? Thanks. ^_^

January 18, 2017 at 08:32 PM

I've not posted on the forum for a long while but I saw the discussed video that Celine posted and had to post. I know she must be in a lot of pain still and grief is a truly terrible thing but I really don't understand her posting that video. I guess she was trying to show people how she still totally loves her husband and misses him.

The thing is, as other have said, it all feels very staged and produced. I think something much more simple would have been more effective. Maybe just a slide show of family pics and one of her songs. This is just going to fuel all the haters and give them something to mock. Which is the saddest part, I'm afraid.

I hate to say it but I also don't like the singing on the video and I think Celine had many more appropriate songs in her own back catalogue with which she could have paid tribute to Rene.

What worries me is that most times I hear Celine sing now she seems to be singing Sia or Adele songs. To me that shows her creative team aren't satisfying her. Does Madonna go on chat shows and sing Sia? Would Adele or Sia try to specifically copy Celine's diction, phrasing and singing style? No... They are artists that are cashing in on their individuality. Celine seems lost musically. She needs direction and concept. She needs to be Celine Dion, to do what she does best.

She needs to stop singing in the style of whoever is popular at that given moment. At the height of her popularity Celine didn't sound like anybody else. She was the imitated one! Not the imitator.

Edited January 18, 2017 at 08:49 PM by A cause, A cause

January 18, 2017 at 08:41 PM

^ it is exactly ur point that many music critics share with you and this is why she will never be respected like she deserves to be by them. you already see on most best singers lists, most influential singers lists and the such, she fails to even make an appearance whereas people like Adele Beyonce Taylor Swift - who combined are not even as talented as Celine - are present in them.

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