Céline Dion: Summer Tour 2016 - Official Topic

[LukeD]

1) Because the commercial decline was for everyone.

 

Good. Stick with this. Then deal with it and stop blaming her Vegas residency for her commercial decline. Edited May 11, 2016 at 12:42 PM by LukeD

[scielle]

Like "There comes a time.", BARF-O-RAMA.

 

LOL

I feel that way about the entire One Heart album!

[browseceline]

anyone have problems paying with a debitcard for the concert? ( paris - ticketmaster)

Ticketmaster says debitcards are supported for payment, but when paying your seat there is no option for a debitcard

[LukeD]

Yes, she has those platinum albums (but since you like talking about numbers, look that certifications have been lowered A LOT!) but she didn't sell a lot - and it's still possible if you look at Adele (and I don't like her but it's a proof). Also, she sold arenas but back in 2008! it was EIGHT years ago.

This is a very weak argument. Adele selling much proves nothing about the industry, nor about Celine. She is the exception not the rule. Same way Cher and Madonna had solo hits after their 40s. They are just the exceptions to the rule that female singers recieve no US airplay after their 40s unless they collaborate with some hot act. Edited May 11, 2016 at 12:41 PM by LukeD

[LukeD]

Explain to me how LMBTL album had more success in places like The UK or Lebanon than the USA, the very place Cèline was since 2002.

Ooops! No wonder he dodged this question. It bursts off the bubble. Edited May 11, 2016 at 12:49 PM by LukeD

[Javito]

Who talked about US? I was talking about total sales when said ANDHC sold below expectations.

 

In Japan it only went Gold. In Africa it recieved no certification. In Europe it sold as much as it did in US so if you accept it sold less than expected in US (3m) you have to accept it sold less than expected in Europe as well (3m) since both markets are of same size (Takes 1m copies sold in both to get a platinum certification).

 

Here http://www.celinedio...20#entry2183993

 

ANDHC failed to break the Billboard Top 20. IA didn't even enter the Top 100. ANDHC was the last song that recieved airplay. Then it was all over. In 2002. These songs are not up there with her 90s hits like MHWGO, TTWII, BYLM, IYA, TPOL, BATB, ABM and so on.

 

It's you who keep focusing on Billboard and US market as if it was the only one. And again, no matter who says that the album sold below expectations and in what market, that does not rest one iota of its quality.

 

Not in vain, ANDHC is the only studio album that has been re-released in a collector's edition format (after TAST), both in the US, Europe and Japan, before FIY or LTAL (her biggest selling albums). Does that tell you something? That's for some good reason, when they picked ANDHC and not FIY or LTAL

 

In 2002 I lived in Greece. Radios heavily played Celine in Europe and certain territories as of 2002. In Us it was another story, she was supported by AC radios but lost her mainstream radio support proven by the fact that her last Top 20 hit was in 1999. ANDHC is the last song that is considered a hit. A modest one. The single sold almost 1m worldwide. This is FAR from her biggest hits.

 

Do you even understand what ''peak'' means? Because you contradict yourself when you say the word ''peak'' and then mention album sales of 13m for the woman that dominated the 90s. Her peak is album sales of over 32m copies. FYI, ANDHC has sold a bit more than 10m copies: http://www.celinedio...com/byalbum.htm

 

How come someone who is forgotten scores platinum records and sells out shows? Celine is not the seller she used to be but at this point of her career nobody would have this expectation. There has never been a music act to sell more in their 40s compared to what they used to sell in their 20s. And it'is rather a fact though that she is still considered a good/decent seller. My Love sold over 900k in UK and is stil charting there, LMBTL went platinum with minimun promo. She recieved certifications in Africa for both of her latest English albums with no promotion there.

 

I said ANDHC was called a bomb in a professional review (which is true) and that I don't agree with the use of this term. But it is a fact that it sold below expectations. It had no staying power on charts, debuted high, stayed there for about a month and by fall of 2002 it was history. This is why the album was left to die after the release of its 3rd single, something that hadn't happened since the days of Unison. Sans Attendre is a smash seller, don't understand why you put words in my mouth.

 

Since when a professional review has the authority and the last word to say that an album has sold below expectations? That's the record label to say. And I never heard in my local SM contacts that the album promotion was stopped because of (bad) sales, but because Céline wouldn't be available to keep promoting it since she was commited to Vegas. But Sony had big plans to release more singles, like Sorry For Love to mention one (it wasn't unusual to have 5 or more singles taken off the album back in those days, as Shania Twain's Up! album which was released also in 2002 and continued its vast promotion until 2004 with uo to 6-7 singles).

 

You say "by fall of 2002 the album was history". Yeah, right. That's why it had a special/limited edition released all across the US, Europe (including its own UK and Germany editions) Australia, Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia, Korea and probably more countries I don't remember now, and also it was re-released in 2008 as a collector's edition in a bunch of more countries? Do you think they do all this effort for an album that has not performed well as for sales? :rolleyes:

 

Good. Stick with this. Then deal with it and stop blaming her Vegas residency.

 

I won't. Because the start of her Vegas residency was what killed and buried the promotion of ANDHC. I don't know if you were a fan back then but everyone saw that the album's life was forced to have an end because Céline wouldn't be promoting any more singles because of Vegas, but not because the album performed badly or sold bad (which is highly dubious and innacurate).

Edited May 11, 2016 at 01:03 PM by Javito

[LukeD]

Here http://www.celinedio...20#entry2183993

 

 

 

It's you who keep focusing on Billboard and US market as if it was the only one. And again, no matter who says that the album sold below expectations and in what market, that does not rest one iota of its quality.

 

Not in vain, ANDHC is the only studio album that has been re-released in a collector's edition format (after TAST), both in the US, Europe and Japan, before FIY or LTAL (her biggest selling albums). Does that tell you something? That's for some good reason, when they picked ANDHC and not FIY or LTAL

 

 

 

Since when a professional review has the authority and the last word to say that an album has sold below expectations? That's the record label to say. And I never heard in my local SM contacts that the album promotion was stopped because of (bad) sales, but because Céline wouldn't be available to keep promoting it since she was commited to Vegas. But Sony had big plans to release more singles, like Sorry For Love to mention one (it wasn't unusual to have 5 or more singles taken off the album back in those days, as Shania Twain's Up! album which was released also in 2002 and continued its vast promotion until 2004 with uo to 6-7 singles).

 

You say "by fall of 2002 the album was history". Yeah, right. That's why it had a special/limited edition released all across the US, Europe (including its own UK and Germany editions) Australia, Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia, Korea and probably more countries I don't remember now, and also it was re-released in 2008 as a collector's edition in a bunch of more countries? Do you think they do all this effort for an album that has not performed well as for sales? :rolleyes:

 

I won't. Because the start of her Vegas residency was what killed and buried the promotion of ANDHC. I don't know if you were a fan back then but everyone saw that the album's life was forced to have an end because Céline wouldn't be promoting any more singles because of Vegas, but not because the album performed badly or sold bad (which is highly dubious and innacurate).

We are not talking about the quality of the album, so your comment about it is irrelevant.

 

To have an album re-released means nothing to me. Talk to me about the peak positions of the re-release. Did the special edition you brought up made an impact on charts? Her 80s albums have been re-released in just about 10 compilations, this will never put them up there with her post 1991 French albums as far as commercial success and impact are concerned.

 

The fact that Celine did not sell the way she did stopped the promotion of the album. ANDHC sold 1m copies worldwide and so did IA, this is FAR from her greatest hits.

 

To say that she killed the promotion of ANDHC because she focused on her Vegas show makes no sense because in March 2003 she released another album. Your argument would only make sense had Celine slowed down with her album releases. It is so damn obvious she just wanted to move on.

Edited May 11, 2016 at 01:24 PM by LukeD

[Davey84]

Before this turns into another yes but no but yes but no but argument (quoting Little Britain here), may I remind you all to keep it friendly and if a member bugs you too much, just click on the ignore button.

[Javito]

To have an album re-released means nothing to me. Talk to me about the peak positions of the re-release. Did the special edition you brought up made an impact on charts? Her 80s albums have been re-released in just about 10 compilations, this will never put them up there with her post 1991 French albums as far as commercial success and impact are concerned.

 

YOUR peak positions and opinions about charts is what means nothing to me. Same as the "someone at Sony US said the album sold below expectations" chit-chat talk that nobody knows where it comes from.

 

Thing is that I love that album.

Thing is that most fans do, no matter how much or less it sold.

Fact is that ANDHC and I'm Alive are the latest worldwide hits that people can remember of Céline, no matter how well or bad did they do in who knows what specific chart of what corner in the world.

Fact is that it got many special, limited and collector's editions released around the globe, in several years (2002 and 2008) and collections too. So something is good about that album that nobody gives a damn if it sold above or below expectations to consider it one of the best Céline's albums in English, and probably the last that made an impact.

 

You can keep living in your denial if you fell happier. But I'm done with you.

 

The fact that Celine did not sell the way she did stopped the promotion of the album. ANDHC sold 1m copies worldwide and so did IA, this is FAR from her greatest hits.

 

And now you are referring to the SINGLE sales individually considered??? Come on... this is getting ridiculous! Talk me about the ALBUM sells, which sold more than 12-13 million copies I have no idea how much each single sold (not that I care the least), but taking now the figure sales of each single individually considered does not frighten nor impress me the least

 

To say that she killed the promotion of ANDHC because she focused on her Vegas show makes no sense because in March 2003 she released another album. Your argument would only make sense had Celine slowed down with her album releases. It is so damn obvious she just wanted to move on.

 

They sole reason for releasing OH was because they were commited to release a new single with Chrysler, which was IDAN. Because they needed to create a bigger impact and get more attention to her Vegas residency. But the main reason was because she was releasing a new song used in Chrysler commercials to promote their 2003 campaign, and the best way to market that song and her VEGAS show was to launch a new album that would attract the attention. It was killing two birds with one stone. Had it not been for the start of Vegas shows, ANDHC would have kept its promotion, providing Céline was available to keep supporting the album (which wasn't the case).

 

May I remember also that up to this day, we have never seen any footage of the recording sessions of OH, except those for IDAN. Because the album was not really done from scratch (but using leftovers from previous albums and recording only a few new songs) just to grab the attention of the media and launch a new single with Chrysler. Hence a new album made more sense

 

Before this turns into another yes but no but yes but no but argument (quoting Little Britain here), may I remind you all to keep it friendly and if a member bugs you too much, just click on the ignore button.

 

That's the best post I've read since I resumed posting two days ago And I think I'm following your suggestion, Davey. Last time I stopped writing in this forum more than 2 years ago was because of the continuous bitching of members like this guy, who never ceases to reply back anything I write and nit-picking about absolutely everything. And it's not been 3 days since I'm actively posting again and it's the same story as 2 years ago

 

But I'm not going to let him spoil the fun again anymore Ignore and move on

Edited May 11, 2016 at 02:01 PM by Javito

[comingback]

A NEW DAY HAS COME (2002) COUNTRY PEAK WEEKS SALES CERTIFICATION NOTES America: 413 000 -- 16 000 USA 22 20 357 000 -- -- *includes 307.000 digital copies (till 11/2010) Canada 2 19 10 000 -- -- -- Argentina ? ? 16 000 2 x Platinum 16 000 * dvd single Europe: 423 500 -- 10 000 Austria 9 15 6 000 -- -- -- Belgium (f) 14 11 20 000 -- -- -- Belgium (w) 13 10 Denmark 3 8 ? ? ? -- Finland 17 1 ? ? ? -- France 23 15 40 000 -- -- -- Germany 6 14 100 000 -- -- -- Greece 8 11 ? ? ? -- Hungary 4 2 ? ? ? -- Italy 10 16 ? ? ? -- Ireland 10 10 ? ? ? -- Netherlands 21 15 5 000 -- -- -- Norway 3 12 10 000 1 x Gold 10 000 -- Sweden 3 12 10 000 -- -- -- Spain 12 5 ? -- -- -- Switzerland 2 29 22 500 -- -- -- UK 7 17 110 000 -- -- -- Asia: 25 000 -- 0 Africa: 10 000 -- 0 Oceania: 40 000 -- 35 000 Australia 19 19 35 000 1 x Gold 35 000 -- New Zealand 20 16 3 000 -- -- -- World: 911 500

 

I'M ALIVE (2002) COUNTRY PEAK WEEKS SALES CERTIFICATION NOTES America: 189 000 -- 0 USA -- -- 157 000 -- -- *includes 156.000 digital copies (till 08/2010) Canada 21 3 2 000 -- -- -- Europe: 660 500 -- 300 000 Austria 5 22 10 000 -- -- -- Belgium (f) 2 28 60 000 1 x Platinum 50 000 -- Belgium (w) 2 18 Denmark 7 11 ? ? ? -- Finland 13 1 ? ? ? -- France 7 22 250 000 1 x Gold 250 000 -- Germany 4 19 125 000 -- -- -- Greece 7 3 ? ? ? -- Hungary 14 2 ? ? ? -- Italy 25 5 ? ? ? -- Ireland 22 6 ? ? ? -- Netherlands 7 19 15 000 -- -- -- Norway 22 4 ? -- -- -- Sweden 5 18 15 000 -- -- -- Spain 20 1 ? -- -- -- Switzerland 7 26 20 500 -- -- -- UK 17 14 50 000 -- -- -- Asia: 30 000 -- 0 Africa: 15 000 -- 0 Oceania: 19 000 -- 0 Australia 30 14 15 000 -- -- -- New Zealand 35 13 2 000 -- -- -- World: 913 500

 

ANDHC and IA were big hits in Europe.

 

IDAN and TC were not big hits, but they were worldwide-hits.

LMBTL was a flop for many reasons (bad promo etc.).

 

I DROVE ALL NIGHT (2003) COUNTRY PEAK WEEKS SALES CERTIFICATION NOTES America: 264 000 -- 0 USA 45 13 219 000 -- -- *includes 164.000 digital copies (till 08/2010) Canada 1 (5w) 58 10 000 -- -- -- Europe: 212 500 -- 50 000 Austria 17 13 4 000 -- -- -- Belgium (f) 1 (1w) 15 50 000 1 x Platinum 50 000 -- Belgium (w) 18 10 Denmark 2 9 ? ? ? -- Finland 16 3 ? ? ? -- France 22 11 25 000 -- ? -- Italy 14 13 ? ? ? -- Netherlands 24 13 8 000 -- -- -- Norway 11 7 5 000 -- -- -- Portugal 9 27 ? -- -- -- Spain 15 6 ? -- -- -- Sweden 1 (1w) 17 15 000 -- -- -- Switzerland 11 13 20 500 -- -- -- Asia: 35 000 -- 0 Africa: 15 000 -- 0 Oceania: 39 000 -- 35 000 Australia 22 18 35 000 1 x Gold 35 000 -- New Zealand 24 9 2 000 -- -- --

World: 565 500

 

 

TAKING CHANCES (2007) COUNTRY PEAK WEEKS SALES CERTIFICATION NOTES America: 527 000 -- 20 000 *includes 515.000 digital copies (till 04/2008) USA 54 7 462 000 -- -- -- Canada 7 1 40 000 1 x Gold 20 000 -- Europe: 145 500 -- 0 Austria 12 14 4 000 -- -- -- Belgium (w) 29 2 5 000 -- -- -- Denmark 3 4 ? ? ? -- France 7 18 35 000 -- ? -- Germany 25 9 20 000 ? ? -- Italy 5 6 ? ? ? -- Ireland 32 2 ? -- -- -- Netherlands 100 3 500 -- -- -- Norway 16 1 1 000 -- -- -- Sweden 43 2 ? -- -- -- Switzerland 5 13 5 000 -- -- -- UK 40 7 15 000 -- -- -- Asia: 20 000 -- 0 Africa: 5 000 -- 0 Oceania: 7 000 -- 0 Australia 60 7 5 000 -- -- --

World: 704 500 *includes 565.000 digital copies (till 04/2008)

Edited May 11, 2016 at 04:10 PM by comingback

[celine4evauk]

Gonna stick my neck out here, but can we perhaps get back on topic? Lol

 

Maybe start new topic for singles sales etc 😕

 

Only a few weeks to go! 😀

[LukeD]

YOUR peak positions and opinions about charts is what means nothing to me. Same as the "someone at Sony US said the album sold below expectations" chit-chat talk that nobody knows where it comes from.

 

Thing is that I love that album.

Thing is that most fans do, no matter how much or less it sold.

Fact is that ANDHC and I'm Alive are the latest worldwide hits that people can remember of Céline, no matter how well or bad did they do in who knows what specific chart of what corner in the world.

Fact is that it got many special, limited and collector's editions released around the globe, in several years (2002 and 2008) and collections too. So something is good about that album that nobody gives a damn if it sold above or below expectations to consider it one of the best Céline's albums in English, and probably the last that made an impact.

 

You can keep living in your denial if you fell happier. But I'm done with you.

 

 

 

And now you are referring to the SINGLE sales individually considered??? Come on... this is getting ridiculous! Talk me about the ALBUM sells, which sold more than 12-13 million copies I have no idea how much each single sold (not that I care the least), but taking now the figure sales of each single individually considered does not frighten nor impress me the least

 

 

 

They sole reason for releasing OH was because they were commited to release a new single with Chrysler, which was IDAN. Because they needed to create a bigger impact and get more attention to her Vegas residency. But the main reason was because she was releasing a new song used in Chrysler commercials to promote their 2003 campaign, and the best way to market that song and her VEGAS show was to launch a new album that would attract the attention. It was killing two birds with one stone. Had it not been for the start of Vegas shows, ANDHC would have kept its promotion, providing Céline was available to keep supporting the album (which wasn't the case).

 

May I remember also that up to this day, we have never seen any footage of the recording sessions of OH, except those for IDAN. Because the album was not really done from scratch (but using leftovers from previous albums and recording only a few new songs) just to grab the attention of the media and launch a new single with Chrysler. Hence a new album made more sense

 

 

 

That's the best post I've read since I resumed posting two days ago And I think I'm following your suggestion, Davey. Last time I stopped writing in this forum more than 2 years ago was because of the continuous bitching of members like this guy, who never ceases to reply back anything I write and nit-picking about absolutely everything. And it's not been 3 days since I'm actively posting again and it's the same story as 2 years ago

 

But I'm not going to let him spoil the fun again anymore Ignore and move on

You have been RANTING about Las Vegas destroying her international career and now you come back to tell me that the peak positions and charts mean nothing to you? Funny. Then there is no point in you talking about the decline of her career since the first criterion to measure this decline is the commercial reception of her records.

 

I love this album as well but the difference is I can still things clearly, unlinke you who brought up its quality and the subjective opinion of fans to support it in a sales discussion. The re-releases are also irrelevant since they made no impact whatsoever. As I told you before her 80s albums have been re-released way more times than her post 90s works but this does not make them more popular or more significant on a cultural level.

 

To call a song a worldwide hit means the song was huge on a global scale, in all major music markets. Check the post of the user comingback showing you how much of worldwide hits these songs were. And then compare these sales figures to her real hits that exceeded sales of 3m or 2m even with a limited release. Fact is both songs are modest hits and fan favortes, not global smashes. You tell me you don't know how much the singles sold but you have been insisting they were global hits!

 

Nobody creates an entire album because of the need to release a new single! They could have easily released just the single or an EP. What is more they could have included the few leftovers of One Heart along with the new single in another edition of ANDHC. But they went for a new album, with a more bubblegum-pop feeling because they tried to chase trends and give Celine another hit. Fact is they quickly moved on from the ANDHC album which indicates they did not regard the album as a big success.

By the way, no source on the internet claims sales of 13m. ANDHC has sold around 10.5m, inflating figures will not make your point valid. http://www.celinedio...com/byalbum.htm

 

Finally, please do not victimize yourself. You have always been manipulative, your comments go back and forth, you call Celine names and you bring no receipts for your posts (you talk about international decline and then tell me charts mean nothing and that you ignore her single sales). And it is not my problem you made 0 progress within your years of absense. You came back to whine again about her destroyed international career, to say she is just ambitious to increase her number of concerts and that her team solely cares about milking the money of fans because Celine does what she loves the most. Awful commentary. Always awful.

Edited May 11, 2016 at 04:56 PM by LukeD

[Alex_Incognito]

anyone have problems paying with a debitcard for the concert? ( paris - ticketmaster)

Ticketmaster says debitcards are supported for payment, but when paying your seat there is no option for a debitcard

 

Just enter it in like a normal credit/debit card. Does your card have a Visa/Master Card, etc logo on it?

[I Drove All Night!]

Gonna stick my neck out here, but can we perhaps get back on topic? Lol

 

Maybe start new topic for singles sales etc

 

Only a few weeks to go!

 

I've just started skimming through this topic because I'm not here to discuss sales, I'm here to get updates on the concerts!

[mirage]

Guess who's back?

Javito with his fun long replies!! Hahaha

Welcome back i like it!

 

But be careful what you say, her team reads the forum so you never know what happens

 

So lets talk about the shows, and the dvd that has to be made in Paris.

And the songs we want to hear! ;-)

[anewdayhascome]

Guess who's back?

Javito with his fun long replies!! Hahaha

Welcome back i like it!

 

But be careful what you say, her team reads the forum so you never know what happens

 

So lets talk about the shows, and the dvd that has to be made in Paris.

And the songs we want to hear! ;-)

 

I think the other one should be careful as well

[Danystar]

How to contact Aldo? It would be wonderful If they have recorded concerts, and released them on DVDlu-ray/CD/DVD!!!

[Javito]

How to contact Aldo? It would be wonderful If they have recorded concerts, and released them on DVDlu-ray/CD/DVD!!!

 

Which concerts? There are many released on DVD, some on VHS, one in Bluray, and some that remain unreleased in any format, but hopefully will see the light of day at some point (Olympia concert in 1994)

 

http://www.powerofth...c.com/dvds.html

 

If you mean the concerts from the upcoming mini tour, I'm sure they will be shooting them and release a DVD again, probably when the French album is ready in autumn or for Christmas.

Edited May 11, 2016 at 05:32 PM by Javito

[Frenchie]

Guess who's back?

Javito with his fun long replies!! Hahaha

Welcome back i like it!

 

But be careful what you say, her team reads the forum so you never know what happens

 

So lets talk about the shows, and the dvd that has to be made in Paris.

And the songs we want to hear! ;-)

 

+1

 

Last night, I told myself I now have some real reading material on this forum! haha

 

Welcome back Javito!

 

If Celine's team is indeed reading the forum, please let the French tour really be a French tour! I have been digging through Celine's French catalogue (and career) the first time in a really, really long time, and finding TONS of beautiful (and successful) songs. It's completely mind blowing!! Therefore, the only song that should be included from her English catalogue is MHWGO, and the other 24/25 songs should be French. Please & Thank you!! <3

 

As far as the DVD....please make it as natural as possible! We don't need the crowd muted, fun add-ons like the ACDS show, and auto tune Celine to death.

[Lolo88]

I wish she could perform "A New Day Has Come" (radio remix) for this tour...

[anewdayhascome]

I wish she could perform "A New Day Has Come" (radio remix) for this tour...

 

[powerofamor17]

This tour is going to slay. I don't know about setlist wise, but boxscore wise, she is going to SMASH!!

[Lolo88]

 

 

 

What ? My wish is THAT stupid? As a francophone fan, I prefer her english to her french catalog

[Javito]

+1

 

Last night, I told myself I now have some real reading material on this forum! haha

 

Welcome back Javito!

 

If Celine's team is indeed reading the forum, please let the French tour really be a French tour! I have been digging through Celine's French catalogue (and career) the first time in a really, really long time, and finding TONS of beautiful (and successful) songs. It's completely mind blowing!! Therefore, the only song that should be included from her English catalogue is MHWGO, and the other 24/25 songs should be French. Please & Thank you!! <3

 

As far as the DVD....please make it as natural as possible! We don't need the crowd muted, fun add-ons like the ACDS show, and auto tune Celine to death.

 

Reading material... :mdr: Thank you, dear. I'm surprised some people still remember that from my posts and still having the time & interest to read them

 

I completely agree with you. No English songs this time would be just fair. But only if its for the sake of performing French songs that have never been performed before. I'm still dreaming of Contre nature and Rien n'est vraiment fini since 2003... and a medley of her early songs including C'est pour toi, Avec toi and C'est pour vivre

[Lolo88]

 

 

What ? My wish is THAT stupid? As a francophone fan, I simply prefer her english catalog my dream would be 30-40% english songs in this new show. That's not too much. It is ?

[manu23]

Only Javito could bring back these nice discussions

 

ANDHC was a good seller, a hit I would say, it was the 7 or 8 best selling album that year but it underperformed for Celine standards, the industry was expecting much more, probably was the choice of the third single or the fact tha music taste had already changed from the 90s, but Vegas is not to blame for Celine's declining chart performance (singles mainly), in fact, for today standards I would consider SA and LMBTL similar hits to ANDHC in many markets

[Frenchie]

Reading material... :mdr: Thank you, dear. I'm surprised some people still remember that from my posts and still having the time & interest to read them

 

I completely agree with you. No English songs this time would be just fair. But only if its for the sake of performing French songs that have never been performed before. I'm still dreaming of Contre nature and Rien n'est vraiment fini since 2003... and a medley of her early songs including C'est pour toi, Avec toi and C'est pour vivre

 

Your welcome!

 

Yes, I agree that 4/5 songs never performed would be amazing! Contre Nature is one of them. Je lui dirai is another song. Oooooo...A cause! It is that they have to have enough songs that the masses know and do not use as bathroom breaks. So between 4/5 songs never performed before from previous albums, and the 2/3 songs (would like another song or two) from the new album this year puts it to 1/3 to 1/2 of the set list that the masses have never heard of before that night. Pacing is all I am worried about that is all.

 

And I am NOT a fan of medleys at all, but the early song medley would be GREAT! Just cut out the chorus being repeated 3/4 times at the end of each song, and just do 2 repeats and move to the next song in the medley. Geee....I can't tell you right now which early songs to include right now. I am digging through the 80s/early 90s right now. And I'm enjoying it so much!! I thought the DCP medley for USF was great when she performed those songs again after sooooo many years, but I want full songs. Especially since that is my fave french album the last 4/5 years.

 

And then I would like 1/3 of the set list of songs she has not performed in a really long time or are still new like LBDB, Oxygene, Deliver Moi, Je Ne Veux Pas, Le Ballet, Priere Patienne, JNVOP, PAMP, etc.

 

Man, she has so many good songs! I hope they shake it up and include her WHOLE career in French instead of just the golden years that's all.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Loved Me Back To Life album had the right single to be chosen (perhaps the only one in the album ), which was "Loved Me Back To Life", a song written by Sia who has been seeing massive success with almost each and every artist she has worked for... and it received 0 attention from radios almost worldwide...

 

They only sent it to AC stations and refused to send it to Top 40. That was Sony's PR team in charge of releasing her singles. It was Sony's fault for not pushing the song. Sony's fault for spotty promotion. Sony's fault. Sony's fault. Sony's fault.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Geez.... I don't know where you lived in 2002 (on the Moon?) but radios played Celine HEAVILY in 2002 and ALSO in 2003 - but of course less cause it concerns only IDAN and TLDH.

 

Okay, nobody is saying that radios played GTSW, OH or EJTE but ANDHC, IA and IDAN were and are still huge!

 

In 2002 Celine was at her peak again and don't say it stopped in 2000. She had a comeback that any artist could be jealous of. It was a REAL comeback in all aspects. She was everywhere: radios, interviews, tv appearances, various events, she began her residency which wouldn't be actually possible if she wasn't at her best!

 

Yes, outside France and Canada she is somehow forgotten. Having platinum albums in the UK, US or Africa doesn't prove that she is PRESENT in the public's eye. Yes, she has those platinum albums (but since you like talking about numbers, look that certifications have been lowered A LOT!) but she didn't sell a lot - and it's still possible if you look at Adele (and I don't like her but it's a proof). Also, she sold arenas but back in 2008! it was EIGHT years ago. Other than that, Celine doesn't exist in media, yes she did some promotion for TC and LMBTL but it wasn't as huge as with ANDHC.

 

 

IDAN was a huge flop in the US. Her last big hits were AC hits here, and they were ANDHC and HYEBIL. Anything else failed to gain any momentum.

[stone]

Only Javito could bring back these nice discussions

 

ANDHC was a good seller, a hit I would say, it was the 7 or 8 best selling album that year but it underperformed for Celine standards, the industry was expecting much more, probably was the choice of the third single or the fact tha music taste had already changed from the 90s, but Vegas is not to blame for Celine's declining chart performance (singles mainly), in fact, for today standards I would consider SA and LMBTL similar hits to ANDHC in many markets

 

Shoulda, coulda, woulda' aside but why the hell wasn't I Surrender THE COMEBACK single?? Or a single period?! It's probably her biggest non-single/released hit. I just don't get why this song was never released, like its a no brainer. Goodbye's The Saddest Word? Like even the title of the song is depressing. Oye