Céline Dion: Summer Tour 2016 - Official Topic

[LukeD]

Are you kidding me? ANDHC single was played everywhere. I'm Alive was also hugely played around the globe. GTSW wasn't played because it wasn't obviously a radio-friendly song and it was a stupid decision as a single. But you can't be serious to say that radios stopped playing Celine in 2002, where she and her album were everywhere thanks to the huge promotion it had.

 

 

 

Now... and I suppose you had direct line with René and the man himself told you that, right? :rolleyes:

 

For God's sake, Céline and René went to LV and stablished there simply because they wanted to start a family and they did not want to travel the world anymore with a newborn, simple as that, and as they told countless time before, during and after the Vegas residency with A New Day. Can you mention any interview where either René or Céline have said that the reason was because of the decline of album sales? They have never made such a comment! They've never said that record sales were important in her career, much less in 2002 where they gave a damn about selling more or less... that's Sony's concern, not theirs.

ANDHC failed to break the Billboard Top 20. IA didn't even enter the Top 100. ANDHC was the last song that recieved airplay. Then it was all over. In 2002. These songs are not up there with her 90s hits like MHWGO, TTWII, BYLM, IYA, TPOL, BATB, ABM and so on.

 

Did YOU have direct line with Rene telling you Las Vegas destroyed her career? Has any expert stated something similar?

 

I never said the REASON they went for residency shows is her commercial decline. I said this is why they FOCUSED on this. Get the difference.

Edited May 10, 2016 at 09:52 PM by LukeD

[Alex_Incognito]

I remember hearing AHDHC play on the radio once back in 2002.

[Javito]

Places like Amsterdam Netherlands , Belguim, Switzerland, Italy, Poland etc. All still admire Cèline.

 

Admiration is one thing. Awareness of what she is doing is another My country also acknowledges she is a great singer but a vast majority of the public has no idea of what she's doing these days. They don't even know when she has a new album.

 

Unfortunately most countries have no clue of what's been of Céline's career because she's not in the radios anymore and because she doesn't make the news when she has a new album.

Edited May 10, 2016 at 09:54 PM by Javito

[LukeD]

Which part of Europe, besides France? Because most European fans I talk with they say Céline is no longuer played in the radios since ages, no matter there's a new album or not. Not to mention that if you ask the new generations, they don't even know who Celine Dion is, but they do know who is Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey for example (thanks to the bad press in the case of Whitney, but they still know who she is)

 

And in the case of Mariah, she may do crap music but she has got much more radio airplay than Céline and has been getting new hits after 2002, so the decline in album sales was there, but that doesn't mean that other artists stopped having hits, because it's not true. Mariah's single "We Belong Together" was a huge success in 2005, getting great radio airplay both in the US and Europe and her album "The Emancipation of Mimi" received rave reviews and several awards and nominations throughout the globe. Same came with "E=MC2" and the single "Touch My Body" in 2008.

 

Howver, Céline's international career and radio life was overly and generally DEAD by 2005

In Europe it has always been Celine >>>>> Mariah and Whitney. With sales of over 60.000.000 here and sell out shows what your people say is irrelevant.

 

Mariah scored hits because she made urban music and took risks. Celine played it safe. Not because of Vegas. But because that's just who she is as a person/singer.

[LukeD]

I remember hearing AHDHC play on the radio once back in 2002.

Same. There is no denying that. Here in Europe ANDHC was huge! But to say IA was a global hit when it failed to crack Billboard's Top 100... well it wasn't.

[Javito]

Did YOU have direct line with Rene telling you Las Vegas destroyed her career? Has any expert stated something similar?

 

I don't need any expert. Just seen each and every time she has released a new single since 2004, and fans say it's impossible to listen her on the radios. Have you ever listened You And I, Taking Chances, Eyes On Me or Loved Me Back To Life on the radio? Radios gave their back to Céline many years ago, because Céline and her Sony Music team gave their back to the radios since 2003, openly admitting that "she's not going to be played in radios", as some PR executives and radio DJ's have said several times in different years since 2007. Harsh and sad, but this is true. Don't ask me for references because I don't remember where exactly, but it was said in this forum too, when fans asked in their radios or fans that had contacts with their local Sony Music team, and asked when the new single would play on the radio... that was the answer. NO.

 

I won't say that Vegas was the only reason, but it had much to do with the attitude of radios, that automatically reject and refuse to play her music. Radios expected to get certain singles because they were radio friendly, much more than others, but Sony sent the worst singles instead. Wonder why? She's been banned in many radio stations. There's a lot we don't know about the reasons behind this, but if I'm saying this next is because I know it from a direct source in my country. A word to the wise is enough... You could try asking your local radio station, or if you know someone working at Sony Music in your country. If they're open enough about the topic, maybe you would be surprised, and you'll see for yourself that it all comes back to 2002 when the relationship between Céline and radios broke up, and how they cut things off when they knew that ANDHC wouldn't have more singles after GTSW, despite the great success it was having specially in Europe

Edited May 10, 2016 at 10:17 PM by Javito

[LukeD]

I don't need any expert. Just seen each and every time she has released a new single since 2004, and fans say it's impossible to listen her on the radios. Radios gave their back to Céline many years ago, because Céline and her Sony Music team gave their back to the radios since 2003, openly saying that "she's not going to be played in radios", as some PR executives and radio DJ's have said several times in different years since 2007.

Seems like you don't need reasoning too.

 

I still fail to understand why you correlate her Las Vegas residency to the fact that radios stopped playing her music. It would happen anyway unless she followed trends (the way Mariah did). It was 2005, the peak of urban rnb/hip hop collaborations, and Celine offered an album of baby songs. Could she have come up with a modern album? Sure. But it wouldn't feel genuine because Celine of 2005 felt the need to express these certain emotions about motherhood that are included in her album. It is simple as that.

Edited May 10, 2016 at 10:11 PM by LukeD

[Javito]

Seems like you don't need reasoning too.

 

I still fail to understand why you correlate her Las Vegas residency to the fact that radios stopped playing her music. It would happen anyway unless she followed trends (the way Mariah did). It was 2005, the peak of urban rnb/hip hop collaborations, and Celine offered an album of baby songs. Could she have come up with a modern album? Sure. But it wouldn't feel genuine because Celine of 2005 felt the need to express these certain emotions about motherhood that are included in her album. It is simple as that.

 

And in 2007 with Taking Chances, an edgy album in a rock style she had barely tried before? Was that also because the style was wrong? What was the mistake this time, when this album was packed with radio-friendly singles like Eyes On Me, Shadow Of Love, Surprise Surprise, Can't Fight The Feelin' and so on? What excuses had radios not to play Céline this time? Enlighten me, Luke, please

Edited May 10, 2016 at 10:31 PM by Javito

[Del]

 

Now... and I suppose you had direct line with René and the man himself told you that, right? :rolleyes:

 

For God's sake, Céline and René went to LV and stablished there simply because they wanted to start a family and they did not want to travel the world anymore with a newborn, simple as that, and as they told countless time before, during and after the Vegas residency with A New Day. Can you mention any interview where either René or Céline have said that the reason was because of the decline of album sales? They have never made such a comment! They've never said that record sales were important in her career, much less in 2002 where they gave a damn about selling more or less... that's Sony's concern, not theirs.

Rene was a smart businessman who loved money. He analysed everything so I am convinced he knew the future of music was not in album sales but was in concerts/touring. So for me, while the deal for AND was a decision based on stability for family reasons, I also believe that it was to give financial stability to Celine for her future. No artists stay in their prime their entire career or sell the same amount. This was his way to ensure income would still come when the album sales would not be there.

 

I remember hearing AHDHC play on the radio once back in 2002.

Radio in my city played ANDHC quite often, I even heard Faith on a regular basis when it was a radio single. Taking Chances was played but that quickly ended and since then she's not been played. You will hear some of her song in the malls from time to time.

[Peppercorn1991]

Guys I really believe things might change in the coming years... And that's not me with my head in the clouds...

 

I generally get a good feeling from people recently.... Especially after everything she has recently been going though...

 

Living in the UK I've never met a person who doesn't know who Celine Dion is..... Even if they told me they don't like her ..... they still knew who she is.

 

I'm currently working with young people in my job and I'm always surprised they know who she is...

 

Kev x

Edited May 10, 2016 at 10:35 PM by Peppercorn1991

[Nmj]

 

 

And in 2007 with Taking Chances, an edgy album in a rock style she had barely tried before? Was that also because the style was wrong? What was the mistake this time, when this album was packed with radio-friendly singles like Eyes On Me, Shadow Of Love, Surprise Surprise, Can't Fight The Feelin' and so on? What excuses had radios not to play Céline this time? Enlighten me, Luke, please

 

I'll enlighten you. They chose "Alone" as a single. Is that Vegas' fault did the city choose the single.

Edited May 10, 2016 at 10:35 PM by Nmj

[Del]

 

 

I'll enlighten you. They chose "Alone" as a single. Is that Vegas' fault did the city choose the single.

Exactly, had the right single been chosen, it might have gone a different route.

[Javito]

I'll enlighten you. They chose "Alone" as a single. Is that Vegas' fault did the city choose the single.

 

Yes, whereas "Eyes On Me" was chosen also as a single for the UK... Only for the UK. Wonder why they made different choices for the second single? Why "Eyes On Me" wasn't selected as the second single for all countries and not only for the UK? Why Sony has been screwing things up with Céline's singles since 2003, releasing bad choices when its blatantly obvious there are better singles in the album instead?

[Javito]

Exactly, had the right single been chosen, it might have gone a different route.

 

Loved Me Back To Life album had the right single to be chosen (perhaps the only one in the album ), which was "Loved Me Back To Life", a song written by Sia who has been seeing massive success with almost each and every artist she has worked for... and it received 0 attention from radios almost worldwide...

[Nmj]

 

 

Yes, whereas "Eyes On Me" was chosen also as a single for the UK... Only for the UK. Wonder why they made different choices for the second single? Why "Eyes On Me" wasn't selected as the second single for all countries and not only for the UK? Why Sony has been screwing things up with Céline's singles since 2003, releasing bad choices when its blatantly obvious there are better singles in the album instead?

 

That's all I'm saying. Any blame for radio not playing Cèline around the world doesn't have to do with Las Vegas. It has to do with a variety/ combination of many things. Dated songs/ wrong singles selection/ no promotion/ her age.. Etc.

[LukeD]

And in 2007 with Taking Chances, an edgy album in a rock style she had barely tried before? Was that also because the style was wrong? What was the mistake this time, when this album was packed with radio-friendly singles like Eyes On Me, Shadow Of Love, Surprise Surprise, Can't Fight The Feelin' and so on? What excuses had radios not to play Céline this time? Enlighten me, Luke, please

Her team messed up by releasing Alone as a single in 2008. There is no denying that. Her single releases could have been much better. Still her Las Vegas residency (which had ended by that time anyway) has nothing to do with it. Her team messed up during the 90s plently of times. They just went away with it because the big songs of her career were there.

 

PS CFTF radio-friendly? Maybe... for the 80s Cheesefest radio station.

 

Oh and TC was a mixed bag (worse than LMBTL in terms of genre coherence) and it sounded pop for the biggest part (EOM, ML, SOL, SS, ASFY, AWTBI, IGNL, SOL.A.).

Edited May 10, 2016 at 11:37 PM by LukeD

[incognito]

 

 

Incest!?

 

There was that time she told Rosie when RC grows up she's probably gonna marry him.

 

 

Celine, why you so weird? LOL

[chocolatechip15]

I remember hearing AHDHC play on the radio once back in 2002.

 

ANDHC was #1 on the Adult Contemporary charts for 21 weeks in 2002. It was played constantly on AC radio.

[Peppercorn1991]

It's obvious Sony seem to have had less Imput these last years.... I'm sure they have their focus in the industry and who they want to promote the most.... Sadly Celine doesn't fit into the sex crazed catorory right now..... This faze has lasted for many years... But it will change the way all generations do....

 

Like I said before... I'm pretty certain people will take notice of her in the years to come... In fact I'm starting to get the feeling they already are ...

 

Kev x

Edited May 10, 2016 at 11:55 PM by Peppercorn1991

[chocolatechip15]

I've said this lots of times before, but I'll say it again -- I think the main reason Celine focuses on live performance is that she loves live performance. She has loved it since she was 5 years old; loves the connection with the audience, the feeling of being strong and in control that she gets from being on stage. She always did many live shows (in fact, she does much fewer now than she did in the 90s). She has been 100% consistent about live performance being her favorite part of show business from the very beginning. She likes it more than recording (where she has said sometimes the others in the recording studio (sound engineer, etc) aren't even looking at you, and she's been open about not enjoying at all the promo whirlwinds that go along with a new album.

 

So to me, it makes perfect sense that she's still concentrating on live performance.

[Del]

 

 

Loved Me Back To Life album had the right single to be chosen (perhaps the only one in the album ), which was "Loved Me Back To Life", a song written by Sia who has been seeing massive success with almost each and every artist she has worked for... and it received 0 attention from radios almost worldwide...

I think by that time the damage had already been done and it had been 6 years since her last album. It's a shame as it was probably the best track from LMBTL that they could have released. Not to mention that radio tends to play the hot new artists that are in at the moment and not so much the ones that are older.

[LukeD]

Yes, whereas "Eyes On Me" was chosen also as a single for the UK... Only for the UK. Wonder why they made different choices for the second single? Why "Eyes On Me" wasn't selected as the second single for all countries and not only for the UK? Why Sony has been screwing things up with Céline's singles since 2003, releasing bad choices when its blatantly obvious there are better singles in the album instead?

That's all I'm saying. Any blame for radio not playing Cèline around the world doesn't have to do with Las Vegas. It has to do with a variety/ combination of many things. Dated songs/ wrong singles selection/ no promotion/ her age.. Etc.

To say her team messed things up since 2003 is invalid. Fact is her single releases had been a hit or miss since the 90s.

 

Look at some of the most blantant cases of mishandling:

 

1. TLYM: Recycled in 5 different albums. Despite being a radio hit in US it was never released commercially there, thus failing to make a real impact on singles charts.

 

2. MHWGO: #1 in US radios for months but Sony made only 700k copies available. The song could have stayed #1 for months and get MULTI-Platinum certification, not just Gold.

 

3. NPO / CTM not recieving their own music video, her team decided to recycle the music video of JSP instead.

 

4. Tell Him being a big hit at the places it was released, yet the label decides not to release it in US which was/is ironically Barbra's biggest market.

 

5. ^ Same thing for Immortality, another missed opportunity for a US hit.

 

6. Not releasing a Christmas song out of her Christmas album but deciding to solely rely on pop duets. Celine still doesn't have a real Christmas hit.

 

7. TYLAM, IWCT are being canceled and they release TFTEISYF and LFTIL instead, both of which are not radio-friendly at all and flop.

 

8. TTWII becoming a smash radio hit and peaks at #6 on Billboard based on airplay alone. The single is not released commercially and the song fails to get a certification.

Edited May 11, 2016 at 12:00 AM by LukeD

[Peppercorn1991]

The fact there was no video for LMBTL really really annoyed me as a fan! It was such a kick in the mouth..... As fans we would expect that at least the first single would have a video.....

 

I'm still annoyed about that really....

 

But we should look to the future and Aldo hasn't really had his time to shine in her career yet.... So we will see... I'm holding on before criticising her team as I'm yet to see her team (Aldo) in full force.... So far I'm happy with what I see.... But let's hope he pulls through!

 

Kev x

[Nmj]

 

To say her team messed things up since 2003 is invalid. Fact is her single releases had been a hit or miss since the 90s.

 

Look at some of the most blantant cases of mishandling:

 

1. TLYM: Recycled in 5 different albums. Despite being a radio hit in US it was never released commercially there, thus failing to make a real impact on singles charts.

 

2. MHWGO: #1 in US radios for months but Sony made only 700k copies available. The song could have stayed #1 for months and get MULTI-Platinum certification, not just Gold.

 

3. NPO / CTM not recieving their own music video, her team decided to recycle the music video of JSP instead.

 

4. Tell Him being a big hit at the places it was released, yet the label decides not to release it in US which was/is ironically Barbra's biggest market.

 

5. ^ Same thing for Immortality, another missed opportunity for a US hit.

 

6. Not releasing a Christmas song out of her Christmas album but deciding to solely rely on pop duets. Celine still doesn't have a real Christmas hit.

 

7. TYLAM, IWCT are being canceled and they release TFTEISYF and LFTIL instead, both of which are not radio-friendly at all and flop.

 

8. TTWII becoming a smash radio hit and peaks at #6 on Billboard based on airplay alone. The single is not released commercially and the song fails to get a certification.

 

It's a variety of things and you could keep going!

 

Sometimes I think SONY MUSIC doesn't know what works with Celine. A lot of times the artist has NO say in which songs even become singles.

[anewdayhascome]

Dear... do you know how many things are wrong in this paragraph?

 

Radios stopped playing Celine in 2002. Same year they didn't support Mariah and Whitney. Just check the peak positions of I'm Alive and Goodbye (The Saddest Word).

 

Her international career was in its best moment from 1996 to 2000. 2002? Nope. This was just the last time Celine released a relevant English album, but far from being her peak.

 

It is the fact that Rene forsaw the decline of record sales in general that made him focus on residency shows. Not the other way around.

 

Oblivion outside Canada and France? Last time I checked she scored platinum or multiplatinum albums in UK, US and Africa. Also selling out arenas.

 

Geez.... I don't know where you lived in 2002 (on the Moon?) but radios played Celine HEAVILY in 2002 and ALSO in 2003 - but of course less cause it concerns only IDAN and TLDH.

 

Okay, nobody is saying that radios played GTSW, OH or EJTE but ANDHC, IA and IDAN were and are still huge!

 

In 2002 Celine was at her peak again and don't say it stopped in 2000. She had a comeback that any artist could be jealous of. It was a REAL comeback in all aspects. She was everywhere: radios, interviews, tv appearances, various events, she began her residency which wouldn't be actually possible if she wasn't at her best!

 

Yes, outside France and Canada she is somehow forgotten. Having platinum albums in the UK, US or Africa doesn't prove that she is PRESENT in the public's eye. Yes, she has those platinum albums (but since you like talking about numbers, look that certifications have been lowered A LOT!) but she didn't sell a lot - and it's still possible if you look at Adele (and I don't like her but it's a proof). Also, she sold arenas but back in 2008! it was EIGHT years ago. Other than that, Celine doesn't exist in media, yes she did some promotion for TC and LMBTL but it wasn't as huge as with ANDHC.

Actually the sales of ANDHC (album) is what marks her commercial decline. It sold 1/3 of what FIY and LTAL had sold and 1/2 compared to ATW. I remember reading a professional review of One Heart which called ANDHC a bomb. It said Celine rushed to release a new album because ANDHC bombed. While I don't agree with the term I understand that ANDHC sold below expectations. And Divas music (the way it was popular in the 90s) was over in 2002. Celine during her interviews used to say she knew the music industry had changed during her break but that she felt the need to make her casual romantic music.

 

Add this situation to the fact that she needed stability for her family and one understands why she chose Las Vegas.

Are you serious? I don't know what you're taking... It was a bomb! below expectations? Well 13 mln copies is not below anyone's expectations. You are weird because on the one hand you try to say that the industry has changed (so the sales declined for everyone) but, on the other hand, you fail to notice that ANDHC for instance sold a loooooooooot from the point of view of this changed industry. So you would say that SA's 1,5 mln copies was also a flop? Thanks for your opinion

 

Places like Amsterdam Netherlands , Belguim, Switzerland, Italy, Poland etc. All still admire Cèline.

 

Yes, they still admire her and??? Here in Poland we even had a few surprises - having Tous les secrets (instead of JNVOP) or Le temps qui compte (instead of ESNRQ) as singles and they were played heavily around albums' releases but now? Sorry they are forgotten. Since Le temps qui compte not a single song has been played on the radio. There was always a premiere (TC, A, EOM, ML, LMBTL) but they disappeared after a week or two without reaching any decent chart! Comparing to those English singles, PAMP was a hit but is no longer being played either. So there is no a single Celine song which is played on the radio since 2003. But it's even worse, They play Celine songs once in a week or month (very rarely) and if they play anything it's only BYLM, PQTME, TTWII, ANDHC, IA or IDAN. So it's rather poor result, isn't it? Yes, people admire her, admire her music but they don't know she still exists.

 

Yes, whereas "Eyes On Me" was chosen also as a single for the UK... Only for the UK. Wonder why they made different choices for the second single? Why "Eyes On Me" wasn't selected as the second single for all countries and not only for the UK? Why Sony has been screwing things up with Céline's singles since 2003, releasing bad choices when its blatantly obvious there are better singles in the album instead?

 

Poland also had EOM but wasn't promoted a lot. It was released before her concert here and even that didn't help.

Edited May 11, 2016 at 07:24 AM by anewdayhascome

[Javito]

Geez.... I don't know where you lived in 2002 (on the Moon?) but radios played Celine HEAVILY in 2002 and ALSO in 2003 - but of course less cause it concerns only IDAN and TLDH.

 

Okay, nobody is saying that radios played GTSW, OH or EJTE but ANDHC, IA and IDAN were and are still huge!

 

In 2002 Celine was at her peak again and don't say it stopped in 2000. She had a comeback that any artist could be jealous of. It was a REAL comeback in all aspects. She was everywhere: radios, interviews, tv appearances, various events, she began her residency which wouldn't be actually possible if she wasn't at her best!

 

 

Are you serious? I don't know what you're taking... It was a bomb! below expectations? Well 13 mln copies is not below anyone's expectations. You are weird because on the one hand you try to say that the industry has changed (so the sales declined for everyone) but, on the other hand, you fail to notice that ANDHC for instance sold a loooooooooot from the point of view of this changed industry. So you would say that SA's 1,5 mln copies was also a flop? Thanks for your opinion

 

Thank God there're still fans with some memory here! I still can't believe what I read. To say that Céline's peak finished in 2000 and that it didn't continue in 2002, where she was as good as in 1999 or even better, it's just astounding She was literally e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e, and it's the comeback every artist out there would have wished for. I wouldn't have said it better, Marcin.

 

Just because ANDHC failed to sell what some ambitious executives in Sony US wanted, that doesn't mean the album wasn't good enough and much less that it initiated her commercial decline For two reasons mainly:

 

1) Because the commercial decline was for everyone. Every singer saw their sales diminishing because of piracy. But that doesn't mean their albums sold bad. They just sold less than before because of digital downloads and piracy.

 

2) Because the US is not the whole world. Just because the album sold less than expected in the US, that doesn't take less credit to the facts that the album was a massive success throughout Europe and virtually in the rest of the world.

 

Even with those so-called "low" sales in the US, the album was still one of the best selling albums of 2002 on a worldwide level. How can it be said that it marked the start of her commercial decline? What did that is the damage of piracy and illegal downloads, but not the album. The year 2002 (and the following years) was bad for sales not for Céline Dion, but for everyone.

 

Yes, they still admire her and??? Here in Poland we even had a few surprises - having Tous les secrets (instead of JNVOP) or Le temps qui compte (instead of ESNRQ) as singles and they were played heavily around albums' releases but now? Sorry they are forgotten. Since Le temps qui compte not a single song has been played on the radio. There was always a premiere (TC, A, EOM, ML, LMBTL) but they disappeared after a week or two without reaching any decent chart! Comparing to those English singles, PAMP was a hit but is no longer being played either. So there is no a single Celine song which is played on the radio since 2003. But it's even worse, They play Celine songs once in a week or month (very rarely) and if they play anything it's only BYLM, PQTME, TTWII, ANDHC, IA or IDAN. So it's rather poor result, isn't it? Yes, people admire her, admire her music but they don't know she still exists.

 

Exactly. There's a difference between admiring someone because of what she has achieved and being aware of what she's doing because she's still relevant and hot in the industry. And most of people have no idea that she released an album called "Taking Chances" (if it wasn't for the tour and for those who attended the tour), and let alone an album called "Loved Me Back To Life", which is almost as if it had never existed except for fans and the audience watching the promo in the US and the UK. But in radios it left no trace at all.

 

Most typical answer when you ask casual public and non-fans about Céline Dion is: "but is she still active? I thought she was retired"

Edited May 11, 2016 at 09:45 AM by Javito

[Gabriel81]

Just bought my tickets to the concet on July 9th. Will be my second time with Celine.

[Celine Fan 77]

I've always believed that the fact that se is an over-40-year-old woman doesn't make things any easier for her to be played on the radio

[LukeD]

Geez.... I don't know where you lived in 2002 (on the Moon?) but radios played Celine HEAVILY in 2002 and ALSO in 2003 - but of course less cause it concerns only IDAN and TLDH.

 

Okay, nobody is saying that radios played GTSW, OH or EJTE but ANDHC, IA and IDAN were and are still huge!

 

In 2002 Celine was at her peak again and don't say it stopped in 2000. She had a comeback that any artist could be jealous of. It was a REAL comeback in all aspects. She was everywhere: radios, interviews, tv appearances, various events, she began her residency which wouldn't be actually possible if she wasn't at her best!

 

Yes, outside France and Canada she is somehow forgotten. Having platinum albums in the UK, US or Africa doesn't prove that she is PRESENT in the public's eye. Yes, she has those platinum albums (but since you like talking about numbers, look that certifications have been lowered A LOT!) but she didn't sell a lot - and it's still possible if you look at Adele (and I don't like her but it's a proof). Also, she sold arenas but back in 2008! it was EIGHT years ago. Other than that, Celine doesn't exist in media, yes she did some promotion for TC and LMBTL but it wasn't as huge as with ANDHC.

 

Are you serious? I don't know what you're taking... It was a bomb! below expectations? Well 13 mln copies is not below anyone's expectations. You are weird because on the one hand you try to say that the industry has changed (so the sales declined for everyone) but, on the other hand, you fail to notice that ANDHC for instance sold a loooooooooot from the point of view of this changed industry. So you would say that SA's 1,5 mln copies was also a flop? Thanks for your opinion

In 2002 I lived in Greece. Radios heavily played Celine in Europe and certain territories as of 2002. In Us it was another story, she was supported by AC radios but lost her mainstream radio support proven by the fact that her last Top 20 hit was in 1999. ANDHC is the last song that is considered a hit. A modest one. The single sold almost 1m worldwide. This is FAR from her biggest hits.

 

Do you even understand what ''peak'' means? Because you contradict yourself when you say the word ''peak'' and then mention album sales of 13m for the woman that dominated the 90s. Her peak is album sales of over 32m copies. FYI, ANDHC has sold a bit more than 10m copies: http://www.celinedio...com/byalbum.htm

 

How come someone who is forgotten scores platinum records and sells out shows? Celine is not the seller she used to be but at this point of her career nobody would have this expectation. There has never been a music act to sell more in their 40s compared to what they used to sell in their 20s. And it'is rather a fact though that she is still considered a good/decent seller. My Love sold over 900k in UK and is stil charting there, LMBTL went platinum with minimun promo. She recieved certifications in Africa for both of her latest English albums with no promotion there.

 

I said ANDHC was called a bomb in a professional review (which is true) and that I don't agree with the use of this term. But it is a fact that it sold below expectations. It had no staying power on charts, debuted high, stayed there for about a month and by fall of 2002 it was history. This is why the album was left to die after the release of its 3rd single, something that hadn't happened since the days of Unison. Sans Attendre is a smash seller, don't understand why you put words in my mouth.

Edited May 11, 2016 at 12:27 PM by LukeD

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2) Because the US is not the whole world. Just because the album sold less than expected in the US, that doesn't take less credit to the facts that the album was a massive success throughout Europe and virtually in the rest of the world.

 

Who talked about US? I was talking about total sales when I said ANDHC sold below expectations.

 

In Japan it only went Gold. In Africa it recieved no certification. In Europe it sold as much as it did in US so if you accept it sold less than expected in US (3m) you have to accept it sold less than expected in Europe as well (3m) since both markets are of same size (Takes 1m copies sold in both to get a platinum certification).

Edited May 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM by LukeD