"Courage" album - Official Topic

[browseceline]

Yup, some people see any attack on her team as an attack on her. Not so. As for negativity, I know I am highly critical of Celine or her team (mostly it's her team), when I feel it is warranted.

 

But the same day that I write a post being critical, I'm also praising her performance at the Juno's back in the 90s or sharing a clip from One Heart album and giving a tidbit of info I found. If others choose to deny that people can be many things and praise/be critical at same time, then that's on them. Of course Courage was a great album, that's a separate point.

 

I think it's very impressive and legendary that Celine is #18 among female artists (according to one tweet I saw), but I also feel disconnected from her. I also think she could do better, and what's wrong with wanting that? On a personal level, I really relate to her wanting to take time off and be in nature and her being awkward with Instagram....but as a fan, I know she is a worldwide artist who has her head on straight and millions of fans!

 

And seeing as she has not slowed down or officially retired, her absence in the pandemic is very uncharacteristic and saddening. Some of the more critical fans would have expected it or felt this way for a while. But, unless she officially communicates she wants to step back from music or can't do XYZ because of whatever reason, fans are going to continue to expect something at least. And now even the traditionally less critical-by-nature fans are starting to be upset.

Sums it up as it is!

 

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[manu23]

Our problem as Celine fans is that we are too spoiled. Celine is not the norm, she is actually one of the exceptions among artists of her caliber. We are used to Celine being active on a continues basis. English album, promo, tour, residency, awards show performances, MET Gala, French album, promo, summer tour, residency, English album, tour... Not many artists follow that schedule (probably only Elton John). Adele finished her tour on June 15, 2016 since then nothing apart from a few Instagram posts until SNL last month. Have you heard anything from Rihanna or Britney Spears regarding their music in the last few years? What did Madonna do since she finished her Rebel Heart tour March 20, 2016 (later released in DVD in 2017) until she released Madame X three years later? She was active on Instagram but no appearances or performances from home or anything.

 

Yes, Courage album promo sucked. They started the tour too early. Then she got sick and cancelled shows that had to be rescheduled during the two weeks they had saved for promo in the USA. A pity we don't have more tv performances of Courage being such a great album. They tried new ways on social media, but that doesn't work well for Celine. So yes, that I understand fans could be disappointed. But for Celine being away for 8 months or a year? What's wrong with that? I keep trying to understand why some expect for her to be present or active constantly.

 

I'd give the woman (and even her team) some credit. In 2020, after 30 years into her career, someone that is not even strong in streaming, manages to be in the top 20 female artists of the year, something good must being done?

[couldawouldashoulda]

^This 1000%

 

Sometimes we all just deserve a year off. Not everyone is privileged to do so but for those of us who are, it’s well-deserved and so needed at this time.

[PuraVida]

Our problem as Celine fans is that we are too spoiled. Celine is not the norm, she is actually one of the exceptions among artists of her caliber. We are used to Celine being active on a continues basis. English album, promo, tour, residency, awards show performances, MET Gala, French album, promo, summer tour, residency, English album, tour... Not many artists follow that schedule (probably only Elton John). Adele finished her tour on June 15, 2016 since then nothing apart from a few Instagram posts until SNL last month. Have you heard anything from Rihanna or Britney Spears regarding their music in the last few years? What did Madonna do since she finished her Rebel Heart tour March 20, 2016 (later released in DVD in 2017) until she released Madame X three years later? She was active on Instagram but no appearances or performances from home or anything.

 

Yes, Courage album promo sucked. They started the tour too early. Then she got sick and cancelled shows that had to be rescheduled during the two weeks they had saved for promo in the USA. A pity we don't have more tv performances of Courage being such a great album. They tried new ways on social media, but that doesn't work well for Celine. So yes, that I understand fans could be disappointed. But for Celine being away for 8 months or a year? What's wrong with that? I keep trying to understand why some expect for her to be present or active constantly.

 

I'd give the woman (and even her team) some credit. In 2020, after 30 years into her career, someone that is not even strong in streaming, manages to be in the top 20 female artists of the year, something good must being done?

 

Adele -- finished her 2016-2017 tour in, of course, 2017 not 2016. It was June 29, 2017. Adele got married, had a child, then divorced during that time. So she's a special case...and then her album was delayed due to COVID.

 

Britney -- has been away due to mental health struggles, rehab, and legal battles. Also a different case. Despite this, she has still kept very in touch with her fans through social media as I understand. Probably to her detriment, in her case.

 

Rihanna -- Released a track in late 2017. And in 2018/2019 worked on and finished an album. Also, she did two movies in that time and launched and is partly running her own makeup line worth 600 million dollars. So she's also been incredibly busy and been working on other business and acting projects.

 

Madonna -- ended her tour in March 2016. Then got in a legal battle over child custody. In February 2017 she adopted two new kids and moved to a different country. September 2017 released a live album from that tour. Major performance in May 2019 then released an album in June 2019, presumably using 2018 to record her album. Tour started September 2019, which she ended in March 2020 due to injury/corona. But in 2020 she also released a song with one of pop's hottest artists Dua Lipa and has been working on a script for a movie about her life.

 

 

 

Celine has been active during that time also! She has not been sitting at home. But, if you want to compare Celine to them, that is what you are facing. They have all be incredibly busy with other ventures in between making music. And they have remained active on social media to keep fans engaged and connected. And like, actually engaged, not delegating to a "social media team...and keeping fans informed, engaged, and connected. Which, by the way, is great for business!!!

 

So, that's why others might expect Celine to be more present or active. Other artists are just as busy and productive.

Edited December 5, 2020 at 03:59 AM by PuraVida

[Nmj]

Our problem as Celine fans is that we are too spoiled. Celine is not the norm, she is actually one of the exceptions among artists of her caliber. We are used to Celine being active on a continues basis. English album, promo, tour, residency, awards show performances, MET Gala, French album, promo, summer tour, residency, English album, tour... Not many artists follow that schedule (probably only Elton John). Adele finished her tour on June 15, 2016 since then nothing apart from a few Instagram posts until SNL last month. Have you heard anything from Rihanna or Britney Spears regarding their music in the last few years? What did Madonna do since she finished her Rebel Heart tour March 20, 2016 (later released in DVD in 2017) until she released Madame X three years later? She was active on Instagram but no appearances or performances from home or anything.

 

Yes, Courage album promo sucked. They started the tour too early. Then she got sick and cancelled shows that had to be rescheduled during the two weeks they had saved for promo in the USA. A pity we don't have more tv performances of Courage being such a great album. They tried new ways on social media, but that doesn't work well for Celine. So yes, that I understand fans could be disappointed. But for Celine being away for 8 months or a year? What's wrong with that? I keep trying to understand why some expect for her to be present or active constantly.

 

I'd give the woman (and even her team) some credit. In 2020, after 30 years into her career, someone that is not even strong in streaming, manages to be in the top 20 female artists of the year, something good must being done?

 

You’re right. Celine deserves and CAN afford to have a long break or even retire if she chooses, and I support that as a fan if she decides to do that. I wouldn’t want that to happen but I’d understand it if that’s what she wants to do.

 

HOWEVER, if she keeps going like she has been, it would be nice for her to put in a little more effort. Why release a album if you choose to not sing the songs from it? Why? She can love a album, and choose the 20 songs because she loves them so much but somehow the love ends the moment she leaves the studio? She doesn’t perform them and we get the excuse because she can’t sing all the songs and the people want the “hits”. Okay then Sing the hits... what business does “You’re The Voice”, “kiss”, “Another One Bits the Dust”, “Lady Marmalade”, “Let’s Dance”, “Imagine” have being in a setlist that only includes two songs off a “Courage” album when the the album has 20 songs?

Then she records A music video for EUS, and Lying Down and they never see the light of day.

 

The social media team is a Joke, the promotion is a joke, the live show setlist is a joke.

 

At this point it’s just better to stop rather do go ahead half #ss. Celine you deserve a break, go away and come back when you are inspired and want to be artistic again! Find the passion again! I remember people saying that she needed to go away and “comeback with a story to tell” back in 2000 because she was everywhere and people were being overloaded with Celine and it was getting too much, well I think if there has ever been a time where her career needed a refresh and restart or a relaunch it’s now.

Edited December 5, 2020 at 05:08 AM by Nmj

[todos]

 

 

well I think if there has ever been a time where her career needed a refresh and restart or a relaunch it’s now.

 

Yes, take a break and live your life the way you want it. Do what you love and enjoy your time off. just give us the album with the rest of the recorded songs 😉 No promo needed, no Interviews and no media blitz.....just throw the album on the market so that we can enjoy and discuss the songs here.

 

When you are ready to come back we love to welcome you again, dear Celine

Edited December 5, 2020 at 07:42 AM by todos

[manu23]

So it's totally fine for others to suffer struggle or personal circumstances (divorce, adopt children, mental health, move to another country) that keep them away from music but not for Celine after losing three very important people in her live? So Rihanna can start new make up ventures and put her time and effort in that lucrative business that is in no way related to music but Celine can't enjoy fashion? How many times have I read here "Celine is a singer, not a model. I'm so tired of all that fashion posts, or why did she do this Instagram ad, or launched this children clothes brand?". And it is ok for Adele to postpone her album due to COVID (that's just speculation, she actually said the album is not finished) but it's not ok for Celine to be away now that she can't tour or promote anything due to a global pandemic?

 

Yes some of those artists might be more active in social media (definitely not Adele) but it doesn't necessarily mean her fans are more engaged, at least I don't see their support when they release new music. All veteran artists face exactly the same problems, low streaming numbers, short chart performance and no radio support. And again, I'm not saying everything is perfect, there are probably MANY things her team at Sony could do better, or Celine, or whoever is in charge. But not everything is as bad as some people think. How many times I've read here that Celine's career was over because of Vegas? Yet, year 2020 and Celine is the top touring female, second overall, and only veteran female artist in the top 20 female list of the year.

 

Edit on my previous post: PuraVida is right Adele tour ended June 2017, for some reason my Google results wiki preview claims it ended June 2016.

[yoyoma]

I can see possibly the times when celine is active again when the twins have grownnup and become teenager. Currently celine's time is devoted to the kids. And she doesn't want to waste moments without them. And especially during the covid, family time is more important than ever. Celine is stubborn, remember my heart will go on decision. Most likely there have been so many excellent opportunities in the past since rene passing, but she could be quite adamant if she doesnt like something. Rene had to convince her most of times. There are not many people that can tame Celine. Pepe is busy with his bf now. Voila

[browseceline]

 

You’re right. Celine deserves and CAN afford to have a long break or even retire if she chooses, and I support that as a fan if she decides to do that. I wouldn’t want that to happen but I’d understand it if that’s what she wants to do.

 

HOWEVER, if she keeps going like she has been, it would be nice for her to put in a little more effort. Why release a album if you choose to not sing the songs from it? Why? She can love a album, and choose the 20 songs because she loves them so much but somehow the love ends the moment she leaves the studio? She doesn’t perform them and we get the excuse because she can’t sing all the songs and the people want the “hits”. Okay then Sing the hits... what business does “You’re The Voice”, “kiss”, “Another One Bits the Dust”, “Lady Marmalade”, “Let’s Dance”, “Imagine” have being in a setlist that only includes two songs off a “Courage” album when the the album has 20 songs?

Then she records A music video for EUS, and Lying Down and they never see the light of day.

 

The social media team is a Joke, the promotion is a joke, the live show setlist is a joke.

 

At this point it’s just better to stop rather do go ahead half #ss. Celine you deserve a break, go away and come back when you are inspired and want to be artistic again! Find the passion again! I remember people saying that she needed to go away and “comeback with a story to tell” back in 2000 because she was everywhere and people were being overloaded with Celine and it was getting too much, well I think if there has ever been a time where her career needed a refresh and restart or a relaunch it’s now.

 

Let me say this. Yes she has worked hard for many many years and if she wants to retire or even does not want to sing anymore and rather be a model or an actress. Fine! But then be open about it.

Yes she toured a lot and did many many Vegas shows but to me it was a lot of the same. Only those hits, not much new. It is a commercial project and a show has to sell, and they did.

Release a great album and then do nothing with it...yes 2 songs and that’s it. In a show named Courage.

If she does not like to sing those ‘hits’ everytime - she can turn the wheel the other side and make more interesting setlists and show the world what more beautiful songs never saw the light of day on stage. She can make that difference.

And again, she worked a lot and has had an amazing career. If she wants to do something else and rather poses in the woods or wants to be an actress or do comedyshows, totally normal and her own choice to do so. But then do not let so many fans in the dark and be open about it.

 

Tina Turner recently revealed she is never gonna sing anymore. There is a time and place for everything and she is over with being on stage. Of course she is way older and really retired.

Again if Celine obliges herself to sing the same songs year after year I can understand she is tired of singing them, but she is the boss , she can change that if she really wants to.

Maybe this covidtime has her reflect on what she really wants in her life. If that is posing for fashion or acting, I am okay with that. If it is still singing, then show the passion you have for that new album, for any new album.

And she can make great songs great that never were released as a single. Look at - i surrender. People love that song and you see it often in shows like the Voice that contestants sing that song. If she pushes those hidden gems in the setlist among some of the obliged hits then she can make that difference. Pitch down the hard way and hire that choir or bring back call the man and sing both of them with that choir. And I still think then you look at me and ain’t gonna look the other way, never had their chance to shine on stage. Next plane out, Papillon ( for the French setlist) ..enough to think of...

Edited December 5, 2020 at 10:46 AM by browseceline

[mirage]

Hahah and do you know they had the PERFECT opportunity for this?

 

When they released that 2.08 minute behind the scenes video for The Hard Way.

They could easily add a few more minutes of images and release it as a video clip.

Why no one thought about that.

 

About Imperfections they noticed it took off and they complety ignored it. A few more live appearances, maybe a remix and it would and could have been way bigger.

But nah she was busy doing her daily hotel catwalk in NYC.

 

 

Even a new music video or releasing a new single from the album would be hugely appreciated... she doesn’t have to be in the video and the song has already been recorded, decisions like this fall on her label.

[ryba]

Hahah and do you know they had the PERFECT opportunity for this?

 

When they released that 2.08 minute behind the scenes video for The Hard Way.

They could easily add a few more minutes of images and release it as a video clip.

Why no one thought about that.

 

About Imperfections they noticed it took off and they complety ignored it. A few more live appearances, maybe a remix and it would and could have been way bigger.

But nah she was busy doing her daily hotel catwalk in NYC.

exactly

[Xpresso]

So it's totally fine for others to suffer struggle or personal circumstances (divorce, adopt children, mental health, move to another country) that keep them away from music but not for Celine after losing three very important people in her live? So Rihanna can start new make up ventures and put her time and effort in that lucrative business that is in no way related to music but Celine can't enjoy fashion? How many times have I read here "Celine is a singer, not a model. I'm so tired of all that fashion posts, or why did she do this Instagram ad, or launched this children clothes brand?". And it is ok for Adele to postpone her album due to COVID (that's just speculation, she actually said the album is not finished) but it's not ok for Celine to be away now that she can't tour or promote anything due to a global pandemic?

 

Yes some of those artists might be more active in social media (definitely not Adele) but it doesn't necessarily mean her fans are more engaged, at least I don't see their support when they release new music. All veteran artists face exactly the same problems, low streaming numbers, short chart performance and no radio support. And again, I'm not saying everything is perfect, there are probably MANY things her team at Sony could do better, or Celine, or whoever is in charge. But not everything is as bad as some people think. How many times I've read here that Celine's career was over because of Vegas? Yet, year 2020 and Celine is the top touring female, second overall, and only veteran female artist in the top 20 female list of the year.

 

Edit on my previous post: PuraVida is right Adele tour ended June 2017, for some reason my Google results wiki preview claims it ended June 2016.

Amen! I was going to answer about that double standard. All those other artists have good reasons but not Celine. Ridiculous! Oh, and adopting kids (Madonna) probably takes more time out of your schedule than having your own, right?

[Xpresso]

Let me say this. Yes she has worked hard for many many years and if she wants to retire or even does not want to sing anymore and rather be a model or an actress. Fine! But then be open about it.

 

Be about open it? As Shaun responded to my own comment... "Why does it have to be black or white?"

Why can't she do both? At times she might feel more passionate about her music and at times she might prefer fashion. Totally normal after such a long career. She wants to try other things, and she is allowed to no matter what anyone thinks. And if you follow her just a bit lol, you will know what mood she's in. And lately, she's more into fashion than music. And I'm fine with that. And she doesn't need to tell anyone. But when she retires for good, she will let us know just like Tina did.

[Shaun]

I knew you’d be along to reply and agree with that comment lol.

 

I (and others) can’t argue this point to infinity (and beyond) but nobody is having a go at CELINE!!!! It’s her team! Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!

 

If Celine wants to retire / is struggling with mental health / wants to focus on fashion / act / whatever that is COMPLETELY FINE!!!

 

The frustration for the umpteenth time is that she, supposedly, has a management / promo team working for her who are meant to do the leg work for her. If she wants to focus on all of the above then great. The “team” can then focus on releasing new singles, uploading videos or unseen performances to keep her MUSIC fans engaged.

 

Perhaps Celine has told her team not to do these things but I think the overriding feeling is that they’re just so out of touch with things. They honestly think fans would rather have “fun quizzes” and trivia.

 

Anyway, I can’t keep going on about this. That’s my opinion, other people have theirs.

 

Amen.

[Xpresso]

I knew you'd be along to reply and agree with that comment lol.

 

I (and others) can't argue this point to infinity (and beyond) but nobody is having a go at CELINE!!!! It's her team! Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!

 

If Celine wants to retire / is struggling with mental health / wants to focus on fashion / act / whatever that is COMPLETELY FINE!!!

 

The frustration for the umpteenth time is that she, supposedly, has a management / promo team working for her who are meant to do the leg work for her. If she wants to focus on all of the above then great. The "team" can then focus on releasing new singles, uploading videos or unseen performances to keep her MUSIC fans engaged.

 

Perhaps Celine has told her team not to do these things but I think the overriding feeling is that they're just so out of touch with things. They honestly think fans would rather have "fun quizzes" and trivia.

 

Anyway, I can't keep going on about this. That's my opinion, other people have theirs.

 

Amen.

I think we finally agree Shaun. Except that some here do have a go at Celine. I don't think you do that however!

[Shaun]

I think we finally agree Shaun.

 

These are special times indeed.

[Xpresso]

These are special times indeed.

Another (crazy) Year Has Gone By (on this forum)...

[ryba]

It was always about her team and bad management, not about Celine personally. I’m glad some people finally understood. These are special times.

[Xpresso]

It was always about her team and bad management, not about Celine personally. I’m glad some people finally understood. These are special times.

So today you say it was always about the team? I think Shaun was mainly negative about her team but you often went after Celine herself however. You can't just suddenly erase what was said by many.

[mirage]

This! Thank you!

This is exactly my frustration.

 

If she wants hug trees with Dee fine.

 

Like others also pointed out, she doesn't need to lift a finger for a lot of music related things. There is plenty in the vault left to release. And plenty of footage that we would enjoy tremendously.

 

Only thing I blame her for is the choice of songs in this current setlist. She is creative enough musically and she showed that in 2016.

 

 

I knew you’d be along to reply and agree with that comment lol.

 

I (and others) can’t argue this point to infinity (and beyond) but nobody is having a go at CELINE!!!! It’s her team! Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!

 

If Celine wants to retire / is struggling with mental health / wants to focus on fashion / act / whatever that is COMPLETELY FINE!!!

 

The frustration for the umpteenth time is that she, supposedly, has a management / promo team working for her who are meant to do the leg work for her. If she wants to focus on all of the above then great. The “team” can then focus on releasing new singles, uploading videos or unseen performances to keep her MUSIC fans engaged.

 

Perhaps Celine has told her team not to do these things but I think the overriding feeling is that they’re just so out of touch with things. They honestly think fans would rather have “fun quizzes” and trivia.

 

Anyway, I can’t keep going on about this. That’s my opinion, other people have theirs.

 

Amen.

[ryba]

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So today you say it was always about the team? I think Shaun was mainly negative about her team but you often went after Celine herself however. You can't just suddenly erase what was said by many.

I never went after Celine herself. I said many times that for most things she wouldn’t even have to lift a finger, but nobody in her circle or at Sony cares. But since Celine is the boss now, as she herself claims, she is responsible for her career so technically she is to blame to some degree as well. Edited December 5, 2020 at 01:49 PM by ryba

[Xpresso]

So now that we all mostly agree that Celine has limited blame for what's been happening with her team, can we turn this forum into a fashion forum until she finds the right manager?

[comingback]

I know that Sony has a budget for Celine. So why they didn't release the full Behind The Scenes docu on YT, Netflix or Apple TV ? Why they didn't release a video for HOG with this footage (there is a fanmade video on YT) and where is the LD video (was it that bad) ? Edited December 5, 2020 at 02:53 PM by comingback

[Nmj]

So now that we all mostly agree that Celine has limited blame for what's been happening with her team, can we turn this forum into a fashion forum until she finds the right manager?

 

Celine has the upmost blame. She’s the boss, the buck stops with her. If she was a more pushy artist with her label like Mariah for example then maybe more would happen. If she wore more creative with setlists of shows we’d have more variety. It’s possible to love Celine and still blame her for the laziness of her career these days, because it’s just the truth, it’s her fault. The team will take lead from their leader which was Rene and now is Celine.

[PuraVida]

So it's totally fine for others to suffer struggle or personal circumstances (divorce, adopt children, mental health, move to another country) that keep them away from music but not for Celine after losing three very important people in her live? So Rihanna can start new make up ventures and put her time and effort in that lucrative business that is in no way related to music but Celine can't enjoy fashion? How many times have I read here "Celine is a singer, not a model. I'm so tired of all that fashion posts, or why did she do this Instagram ad, or launched this children clothes brand?". And it is ok for Adele to postpone her album due to COVID (that's just speculation, she actually said the album is not finished) but it's not ok for Celine to be away now that she can't tour or promote anything due to a global pandemic?

 

Yes some of those artists might be more active in social media (definitely not Adele) but it doesn't necessarily mean her fans are more engaged, at least I don't see their support when they release new music. All veteran artists face exactly the same problems, low streaming numbers, short chart performance and no radio support. And again, I'm not saying everything is perfect, there are probably MANY things her team at Sony could do better, or Celine, or whoever is in charge. But not everything is as bad as some people think. How many times I've read here that Celine's career was over because of Vegas? Yet, year 2020 and Celine is the top touring female, second overall, and only veteran female artist in the top 20 female list of the year.

 

Edit on my previous post: PuraVida is right Adele tour ended June 2017, for some reason my Google results wiki preview claims it ended June 2016.

 

I never said Celine can't enjoy fashion. I do not make the kind of posts you described. But lmao if you are comparing Celine posting photos in couture or going to PFW or NYFW with starting a global multi-million dollar company. Not the same by a long shot. The vast majority of fans I see on the forum are happy that she branched out to fashion AND that she will star in a new movie.

 

I always said if Celine's absence is for mental health or she is still grieving, that is totally fine. But you said Celine was an anomaly and we are more spoiled than other fans. I don't think that is true if we judged it by the last few years. They are all rather busy performing or creating unless personal circumstance prevents them.

 

As far as we know, Celine has no personal circumstance preventing her. Your speculation that she is still grieving or processing stuff (which I support her in) is as much speculation as the other side of the coin that she is ignoring people and has a bad team.

[Xpresso]

Celine has the upmost blame. She’s the boss, the buck stops with her. If she was a more pushy artist with her label like Mariah for example then maybe more would happen. If she wore more creative with setlists of shows we’d have more variety. It’s possible to love Celine and still blame her for the laziness of her career these days, because it’s just the truth, it’s her fault. The team will take lead from their leader which was Rene and now is Celine.

Maybe it's your fault too for expecting too much. We can't change it even if some want to tell her what she should do.

[Nmj]

Maybe it's your fault too for expecting too much. We can't change it even if some want to tell her what she should do.

 

I’m not writing her letters, I’m just stating my thoughts. It’s her fault because she’s the boss. If a restaurant suffers you blame the manager, if a sports team suffers you blame the coach. But never the fans who made her the millionaire she is.

[PuraVida]

Amen! I was going to answer about that double standard. All those other artists have good reasons but not Celine. Ridiculous! Oh, and adopting kids (Madonna) probably takes more time out of your schedule than having your own, right?

 

It's not a double standard. Manu claimed Celine was the holy exception special veteran artist who spoiled her fans and was constantly active. That was the point being refuted. If he then wants to make a separate point, that these busy artists take time off for good reason, and we should respect that...let's have that talk.

 

But not all reasons are as equal in terms of how much time they occupy. I equate Adele's silence to Celine's 2000-2002 break, she went away to start a family. Brittney simply cannot perform....(grieving itself is NOT a mental health disorder which Britney has), and Celine going to fashion week is nowhere near the scale of Rihanna starting a company worth almost all of Celine's networth.

[browseceline]

Maybe it's your fault too for expecting too much. We can't change it even if some want to tell her what she should do.

 

It is like some of you have her high on her throne and she cannot do anything wrong. Not everything she touches is gold.

He is right! She has a lot to say and if she does not lift her finger nothing changes.

 

Yesterday I saw her latest L’Oréal video. So sophisticated and luxurious, perfect. Why do we not see that same quality in her music videos? It could all be so much better.

Ah well. We all have our opinions. Hope something changes sooner or later. You never know.

Edited December 5, 2020 at 03:38 PM by browseceline

[guigafs15]

Our problem as Celine fans is that we are too spoiled. Celine is not the norm, she is actually one of the exceptions among artists of her caliber. We are used to Celine being active on a continues basis. English album, promo, tour, residency, awards show performances, MET Gala, French album, promo, summer tour, residency, English album, tour... Not many artists follow that schedule (probably only Elton John). Adele finished her tour on June 15, 2016 since then nothing apart from a few Instagram posts until SNL last month. Have you heard anything from Rihanna or Britney Spears regarding their music in the last few years? What did Madonna do since she finished her Rebel Heart tour March 20, 2016 (later released in DVD in 2017) until she released Madame X three years later? She was active on Instagram but no appearances or performances from home or anything.

 

Yes, Courage album promo sucked. They started the tour too early. Then she got sick and cancelled shows that had to be rescheduled during the two weeks they had saved for promo in the USA. A pity we don't have more tv performances of Courage being such a great album. They tried new ways on social media, but that doesn't work well for Celine. So yes, that I understand fans could be disappointed. But for Celine being away for 8 months or a year? What's wrong with that? I keep trying to understand why some expect for her to be present or active constantly.

 

I'd give the woman (and even her team) some credit. In 2020, after 30 years into her career, someone that is not even strong in streaming, manages to be in the top 20 female artists of the year, something good must being done?

 

I think you answered your own question. I wouldn't mind for Celine to take one year off between works, or even more, if the time she work she actually did good work. All those artists you mentioned work the hell out of their albums, with several videos, singles, performances and, above all, actually sang their new songs on tour (with exception of Britney, but she's dealing with mental health issues and has no control of her life or career, and she is deliberately boycotting her work to fight for some control of her life).

 

Using Madonna as an example, her album didn't even sell like Courage, but she drop like 5 really well produced videos and sang most of the new album on tour, BTW a tour totally different than her past ones (as always), did a incredible and expensive performance on BMA and performed on Eurovision.

 

So, when Celine takes 8 months off, it felt so much more because for the past years we've be having the same thing over and over. We had one (bad) music video for LMBTL album, no videos for EUS, barely sang the new songs on tour. And the biggest disappointment is that most of us thought Courage era would come to break that pattern. Would be about Courage, not about her 90's hits, again, as always.

 

And it's not about hate Celine, it's actually the opposite. It's about loving her and know she has potential to be recognized as more then "that lady who sings the Titanic song". Celine is so much more than her 90's hits. And let's not pretend she or her team doesn't care about that, cause they do. But it's lacking courage, tbh. Courage to drop the past and really tried something new, despite comercial consequences, like all those artists you mentioned do.