"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Ukrfan]

Interesting. Walter Afanasieff did mention that Celine was jealous because of Lara:

 

Once Tommy Mottola called me and asked to listen to a young singer from Montreal who sings in English without an accent. We met in New York, we worked together for two years ... Needless to say, we went mad, fell in love with each other. Her name was Lara Fabian. Soon Celine Dion, with whom I worked, found out that I was writing an album for Lara. And she began to be wildly jealous. Not in a feminine way, in a creative way: how is it, he gives his best strength to her, and not to me ?! I found myself caught in the middle. What to do? I did not know. Stopped working with Celine and continued with Lara. After a while, I realized that I had done wrong: Lara Fabian could not calmly look at me, and my heart was broken, we loved each other. And we had no time for work. That's why I had to disperse. Sad, of course.

[manu23]

Some people are really self centered, aren't they? The music and entertainment industries are probably the most affected ones by the pandemic. Countless number of employees are being let go, many people working for the live entertainment suffer the uncertainty of not knowing when they will have a job again. Will concerts resume in 2021 at all? I'm sure Celine is much worried about her team and her musicians even having a job if the Courage tour can't resume than pleasing her fans with social media posts or "new" old material. I know it would be great to have something (Sony will release everything eventually when she is older) but even if you think Celine is home doing nothing that's not the case. Celine Dion is a multi-million dollar business that never stops (third richest self-made women in music industry according to Forbes, first in the list is Rihanna but thanks to her fashion enterprises, no wonder she has been away from music for years). Celine probably has many projects going on at the moment (new French album, new song for Diane Warren, ...) She might even be discussing a new show in Vegas. But you can't compare her to artists that have much less on their plates. Of course everyone is entitle to their opinion, just don't feel frustrated, we'll get good things.

 

In the meantime you can still see old performances on YouTube. I discover a new one almost everyday. It's amazing how much this woman promoted and performed over the years. If you compare to Mariah or Whitney you can easily find more material than both of them combined. Doing all those tv appearances and specials while recording and touring non-stop for years. She really was a machine.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Interesting. Walter Afanasieff did mention that Celine was jealous because of Lara:

 

Walter and Lara were in a relationship??????

[Xpresso]

Walter and Lara were in a relationship??????

Sounds like Lara knew who to fall in love with. First, Rick Allison, who co-wrote some of her hits, then a few French singers, and now we learn about Walter. Maybe Celine knew what Lara was up to!

[Loup_garou]

Walter and Lara were in a relationship??????

 

Interesting. Walter Afanasieff did mention that Celine was jealous because of Lara:

 

Walter seems to be playing the victim on a regular basis and loves drama,

 

I found this

 

"Journalist: You have worked with international stars. Which of these encounters have been the most important for you?

Walter Afanasieff: In fact there have been a lot of such encounters... It was a great pleasure and honour for me to work with Michael Jackson... People like him – that's one in a million. Actually that's impossible to mention everyone... Whitney Houston, Darren Hayes, my close friend saxophonist Kenny G, Celine Dion, Lara Fabian. For Lara Fabian I wrote a very beautiful song “Broken Vow”. Do you know such a singer, Lara Fabian?

 

Journalist: Yes, of course.

 

WA: Me and her, we had a very sad story. We had a “romance”; I almost got married to this woman. But we broke up. I broke her heart a little bit, and she stopped mentioning my name. Today, when she talks about the song “Broken Vow”, she says that she wrote it [on her own]. That's it! (/Voilà!) I have had a few high-profile stories like this one. Let's not go there. (Gets lost in his thoughts.) But you know what's interesting – when I had a love story with Fabian, Celine Dion simply hated her, but Lara wanted to sing like Dion. Not an easy situation. I happened to be between both of them. Eventually both women stopped communicating with me. Celine thought that I wrote the best songs for Fabian, that only with her I shared the musical secrets... By the way, around the same time Mariah Carey left me."

 

Source

[Bruno Portugal]

https://www.facebook.com/315674286826/photos/a.10153818636051827/10158559294036827/?type=3

 

More beautiful words about Celine by Stephan Moccio.

 

“ @celinedion is one of the greatest singers in the world, ever…she can make anything sound emotional, and believable…i came across this the other day while reorganizing my studio…i chose to share this comp book (not sheet, but book) to demonstrate what it takes to be the best in the world...the commitment from céline to get the emotion of a vocal performance right can take (at times) only a few takes, and other times, it can take days, with vocal sessions lasting north of eight hours…what impresses most about céline is that she is more committed and disciplined at this point of her career than ever…to be clear, this is not about perfection, it is about emotion, moving people…the lesson here, is to remain humble, work hard and keep it human…always...”

[CelinesDIVO5]

I think Walter might be a bit of a storyteller lol.

[guigafs15]

I believe it's quite possible what he says. Not because Celine was petty or jealousy, but back than the big divas, at least the ones who didn't write her own stuff (wich was the majority) attached herself to big songwriters and producers and was expected that they put them first, give them the best materials. Some kinda of loyalty was expected in this relationship.

 

I have no idea how close Walter and Celine was or even how much work he has done for her, but if Lara was being sell as the new Celine, I can see why she felt disappointed with him given Lara songs before offering to her. But the animosity was probably towards him and not Lara.

[celinefanonline]

well now i really wanna hear Celine's side of the story hahah and then i'll be the judge .....

cause to me i think it's a bit like how MC shade Celine.... it's like misunderstood, but this time it's Lara......

for my understanding it's Sony's execs decision , cause there's already Celine and MC so they made Lara record dance track (I Will Love Again) to break through to US. (i believe it did get no1 so it was a right decision no?)

the label change i don't get cause her album was released by Epic / Sony same as Celine.... also Celine was on a break too....

and Rene's the one who taught Celine to be nice and not talk s*** about anyone so i don't see why they would do that to Lara.....

after Walter A's little interview now i'm really interested hearing from Celine's side of story

[jpatdeleon09]

Walter likes to make stories to make issues. LOL Edited October 17, 2020 at 04:59 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Céline RO]

https://www.facebook...4036827/?type=3

 

More beautiful words about Celine by Stephan Moccio.

 

" @celinedion is one of the greatest singers in the world, ever…she can make anything sound emotional, and believable…i came across this the other day while reorganizing my studio…i chose to share this comp book (not sheet, but book) to demonstrate what it takes to be the best in the world...the commitment from céline to get the emotion of a vocal performance right can take (at times) only a few takes, and other times, it can take days, with vocal sessions lasting north of eight hours…what impresses most about céline is that she is more committed and disciplined at this point of her career than ever…to be clear, this is not about perfection, it is about emotion, moving people…the lesson here, is to remain humble, work hard and keep it human…always..."

 

Does anyone know what those numbers mean?

[jpatdeleon09]

https://www.facebook.com/315674286826/photos/a.10153818636051827/10158559294036827/?type=3

 

More beautiful words about Celine by Stephan Moccio.

 

“ @celinedion is one of the greatest singers in the world, ever…she can make anything sound emotional, and believable…i came across this the other day while reorganizing my studio…i chose to share this comp book (not sheet, but book) to demonstrate what it takes to be the best in the world...the commitment from céline to get the emotion of a vocal performance right can take (at times) only a few takes, and other times, it can take days, with vocal sessions lasting north of eight hours…what impresses most about céline is that she is more committed and disciplined at this point of her career than ever…to be clear, this is not about perfection, it is about emotion, moving people…the lesson here, is to remain humble, work hard and keep it human…always...”

 

I agree with him

[Céline RO]

Funny how many stories (like the one with Lara) are analyzed to death on here, then abandoned, only to be resurrected months or years later with the exact same arguments and exact same conclusion.

[PuraVida]

You also have to factor in that between 2005-2010, this forum had MANY more active members before you joined, and there was MUCH more dialogue. Most of the membership here had migrated from another very active forum at the time. Vegas was still a huge topic then, "ONCP" collection (her first French Greatest Hits) was released, the "Taking Chances/D'Elles" era between 2007-2010 with the album, the tour and TTEOTW. Then 2011 brought a new Vegas show, an Oprah presented TV special, then 2012 brought "Sans Attendre." There was just more discussion and more members.

 

Around 2011 was around the time that membership started dwindling because there were other members who were just intolerable. We lost a lot of great forum contributors between 2011 and 2014. Anyway, my point is that you can't cite someone's activity on the forum as a means of telling them their opinion or point has less or no validity without factoring in what I said above. That's all.

 

I totally agree. And I'm aware of the dropoff.

 

But it wasn't about the validity of their point. It was about how they were telling people to essentially, closely paraphrasing, "get a life" and stop being desperate for Celine. When they are, in fact, one of the people who has dedicated the most time to Celine who is still active remaining on the forum. The irony.

[PuraVida]

Obviously you don't want to let it go. My comment about getting a life is when Celine doesn't post on social media or offer a performance from home as you want her to do. To make sure you understand, that means, if Celine doesn't give you what you want, it's better to find something else to do instead of telling her what she should be doing. (And yes, you can still visit the forum in the meantime. )

 

When people post opinions on the forum that you and they are both a part of, and you disagree with that opinion, the response of any respectable, respectful member is not "get a life". Just so you understand.

[Xpresso]

When people post opinions on the forum that you and they are both a part of, and you disagree with that opinion, the response of any respectable, respectful member is not "get a life". Just so you understand.

It's not the opinion I disagree with, it's the demands some people put on Celine. At the end of the day, she decides what she wants to do. And if she doesn't want to do a live performance from her home, then we all have to respect that.

[PuraVida]

Some people are really self centered, aren't they? The music and entertainment industries are probably the most affected ones by the pandemic. Countless number of employees are being let go, many people working for the live entertainment suffer the uncertainty of not knowing when they will have a job again. Will concerts resume in 2021 at all? I'm sure Celine is much worried about her team and her musicians even having a job if the Courage tour can't resume than pleasing her fans with social media posts or "new" old material. I know it would be great to have something (Sony will release everything eventually when she is older) but even if you think Celine is home doing nothing that's not the case. Celine Dion is a multi-million dollar business that never stops (third richest self-made women in music industry according to Forbes, first in the list is Rihanna but thanks to her fashion enterprises, no wonder she has been away from music for years). Celine probably has many projects going on at the moment (new French album, new song for Diane Warren, ...) She might even be discussing a new show in Vegas. But you can't compare her to artists that have much less on their plates. Of course everyone is entitle to their opinion, just don't feel frustrated, we'll get good things.

 

In the meantime you can still see old performances on YouTube. I discover a new one almost everyday. It's amazing how much this woman promoted and performed over the years. If you compare to Mariah or Whitney you can easily find more material than both of them combined. Doing all those tv appearances and specials while recording and touring non-stop for years. She really was a machine.

 

No one said she was doing nothing at home. And her working on projects is purely speculative, as is a ton of what we do on this forum. And no one is ungrateful for all that she has given. And no one insensitive or unaware of the pandemic.

 

But, this pandemic is going to last a lot longer than people think. I don't think concerts will resume in 2021 personally. And Celine probably knows this better than any of since she is in touch with the promoters and venues. So, unless Celine, the self-called "open book", starts to want or becomes accustomed to providing something from home at some point or accepting TV offers, I personally bet that we won't hear a new live note out of her mouth for a very long time.

 

People can feel however they want and react however they want about that.

[PuraVida]

It's not the opinion I disagree with, it's the demands some people put on Celine. At the end of the day, she decides what she wants to do. And if she doesn't want to do a live performance from her home, then we all have to respect that.

 

It's not a demand. Already went through that very plainly. No one is stupid, we all know that she decides. And we have opinions on those decisions. Is stating that opinion disrespectful? Actually, expressing opinions and feelings is very healthy. It doesn't mean they are some desperate, whining baby.

 

In life, everyday people respect decisions made by those that they have negative (or positive) opinions about.

[Xpresso]

To me, always asking Celine for more is not an opinion. Anyway, let's agree to disagree and let's move on.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I totally agree. And I'm aware of the dropoff.

 

But it wasn't about the validity of their point. It was about how they were telling people to essentially, closely paraphrasing, "get a life" and stop being desperate for Celine. When they are, in fact, one of the people who has dedicated the most time to Celine who is still active remaining on the forum. The irony.

 

Understood, but you equated the term that insulted you with the amount of posts that Xpresso has contributed. I have almost 7000 posts since 2005, but I can tell you that the majority of those posts were made prior to 2014, because that’s when the forum was most active.

 

Since then, it’s been a mish mosh of Javitos, KareBears and there was one other guy who was just horrible that made the forum no longer enjoyable. So the amount of posts that members have shouldn’t be equated to the topic being discussed at this present moment between you and Xpresso, as I know that most of their posts were made during a time when there was more activity happening on this forum. I personally have not been very active over the last 2 years. I would say maybe 5-600 of my 7000 posts were made only in the last 2 or 3 years of the 15 that I’ve been a member. The argument doesn’t equate is the point I’m trying to make.

 

I understand why the term “get a life” might offend you. We don’t know you personally, or what you do in your everyday away from the forum. I’m not disparaging your opinion or feeling on that at all.

Edited October 17, 2020 at 03:15 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[PuraVida]

Understood, but you equated the term that insulted you with the amount of posts that Xpresso has contributed. I have almost 7000 posts since 2005, but I can tell you that the majority of those posts were made prior to 2014, because that's when the forum was most active.

 

Since then, it's been a mish mosh of Javitos, KareBears and there was one other guy who was just horrible that made the forum no longer enjoyable. So the amount of posts that members have shouldn't be equated to the topic being discussed at this present moment between you and Xpresso, as I know that most of their posts were made during a time when there was more activity happening on this forum. The argument doesn't equate is the point I'm trying to make.

 

I understand why the term "get a life" might offend you. We don't know you personally, or what you do in your everyday away from the forum. I'm not disparaging your opinion or feeling on that at all.

 

Sorry, my friend, but you misunderstood my point and/or I didn't communicate it clearly enough.

 

But I'll just say this. If two people are both spending time on a forum, regardless of how many posts each has, then for someone to equate Celine fans to desperate toddlers who need mommy Celine or they will go off the deep end, is disparaging and it is part of the very same alienating or toxic behavior that you apparently witnessed all those years back that caused a mass exodus from the forum.

 

What's more, it ironically came from someone who has been here a very long time and has more posts than most active members. You'd think someone around that long would know better. That fact was ironic, but said irony is not necessary to the point I was making. Sorry if it came across that way.

[PuraVida]

To me, always asking Celine for more is not an opinion. Anyway, let's agree to disagree and let's move on.

 

 

Always asking? Puhlease. And like I said, we are free to ask and she is free to decline. Then again, we're not really reaching her directly, so she's really not even being asked. And, if you characterized it accurately, many people were "demanding" of her team, not her! Recently, they've started to do better by sharing more, presumably current, photos of Celine. That's a good thing.

 

I wish Celine was closer and more interactive with her fans. Do I demand that she is? No. Do I think it would be difficult for her to do so? No. Even considering the pandemic, would it be hard? No. Does she want to do it? No. Do I respect that? Yes. Am I surprised she has gone off the radar during the pandemic? No. Do I think her reluctance goes against this image she paints of herself as an "open book"? Yes. Have many other people shared this thinking for a long time? Yes. If it were up to Celine, would she even have an Instagram or Twitter? No. Does her team leave a lot to be desired? Yes.

Edited October 17, 2020 at 04:01 PM by PuraVida

[Xpresso]

OMG. Time to go streaming the wonderful Courage album? Yes.

[jpatdeleon09]

I streamed this album in apple music and spotify yesterday. And now I’m on Let’s Talk About Love album and now I appreciate the three songs from this album. Before I don’t like it but now i love it

 

Why Oh Why

Where Is The Love

Love Is On The Way

Edited October 17, 2020 at 10:39 PM by jpatdeleon09

[manolo19]

Seeing this documentary on Lara Fabian made me love her so much .. when she is in the car browsing through Courage songs and says The Hard Way is amazing then plays boundaries and sing along to it . She mentions Celine so many times throughout the documentary that was very nice to watch

[PuraVida]

Seeing this documentary on Lara Fabian made me love her so much .. when she is in the car browsing through Courage songs and says The Hard Way is amazing then plays boundaries and sing along to it . She mentions Celine so many times throughout the documentary that was very nice to watch

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgkbadyZbGo

[celinefanonline]

Seeing this documentary on Lara Fabian made me love her so much .. when she is in the car browsing through Courage songs and says The Hard Way is amazing then plays boundaries and sing along to it . She mentions Celine so many times throughout the documentary that was very nice to watch

 

oh wow, so where can i watch this documentary beside where it's posted.... ?? and so she did say about how Celine's team was trying to press her down??

[Chantemoi]

 

 

 

Recently, they've started to do better by sharing more, presumably current, photos of Celine. That's a good thing.

 

I wish Celine was closer and more interactive with her fans. Do I demand that she is? No. Do I think it would be difficult for her to do so? No. Even considering the pandemic, would it be hard? No. Does she want to do it? No. Do I respect that? Yes. Am I surprised she has gone off the radar during the pandemic? No. Do I think her reluctance goes against this image she paints of herself as an "open book"? Yes. Have many other people shared this thinking for a long time? Yes. If it were up to Celine, would she even have an Instagram or Twitter? No. Does her team leave a lot to be desired? Yes.

 

I agree 100% with this.

The fact that fans don’t all share the same expectations shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. Personally, I’m not bothered or surprised by Céline’s radio silence—as she’s expressed she has zero interest in social media—but it’s also easy for me to be okay with that since I saw her 3 times in 2019. For fans who bought tickets for CWT and have no idea when they’ll actually get the see the show or whether it will be cancelled, I imagine it’s a great deal more frustrating. That’s where using social media to send messages to the fans (as she has done so often in the past, nothing new) seems to me like a no-brainer. A little message here, a funny photo there, an impromptu video with the kids, a 30 second ditty, anything at all. For a celebrity known for a candid, “open book” personality, it comes off rather contradictory to do the opposite and tone deaf to the fans (who paid for tickets) and just want a little dose of their diva in the meantime. And you’re right, PureVida: it has gotten better in recent weeks, but I have no inkling as to why or what has changed with her team.

Edited October 18, 2020 at 02:41 PM by Chantemoi

[manolo19]

oh wow, so where can i watch this documentary beside where it's posted.... ?? and so she did say about how Celine's team was trying to press her down??

 

I downloaded it if you pm me your email adress I can send it to you via wetransfer

[browseceline]

 

I agree 100% with this.

The fact that fans don’t all share the same expectations shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. Personally, I’m not bothered or surprised by Céline’s radio silence—as she’s expressed she has zero interest in social media—but it’s also easy for me to be okay with that since I saw her 3 times in 2019. For fans who bought tickets for CWT and have no idea when they’ll actually get the see the show or whether it will be cancelled, I imagine it’s a great deal more frustrating. That’s where using social media to send messages to the fans (as she has done so often in the past, nothing new) seems to me like a no-brainer. A little message here, a funny photo there, an impromptu video with the kids, a 30 second ditty, anything at all. For a celebrity known for a candid, “open book” personality, it comes off rather contradictory to do the opposite and tone deaf to the fans (who paid for tickets) and just want a little dose of their diva in the meantime. And you’re right, PureVida: it has gotten better in recent weeks, but I have no inkling as to why or what has changed with her team.

I so agree. Just a Tiny livevideo from home or a little message would do a lot.

 

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