jpatdeleon09 Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:01 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:01 PM Can she fire her marketing team instead of firing her musicians? What? Someone was fired? Who? Quote
zuv Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:04 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:04 PM What? Someone was fired? Who? Lol no one Quote
Fanxiaoqiang Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:19 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:19 PM Courage streams on Youtube 32,051,000 million such a big flooop Quote
Fanxiaoqiang Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:20 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:20 PM What? Someone was fired? Who? he means they had nothing to pro this albumso celine should fire them Quote
dj_a_rock Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:24 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 03:24 PM (edited) Why not? Will there be a problem.. promoting it again? Also, One music video is not yet released lol That is actually the problem. They are not promoting it. They did not do it during the time it was needed the most. Why would they do it now when it is already useless? Edited December 13, 2019 at 03:24 PM by dj_a_rock 1 Quote
Xpresso Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:16 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:16 PM Can she fire her marketing team instead of firing her musicians?She should also fire some of her too demanding fans... 3 Quote
Xpresso Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:18 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:18 PM That is actually the problem. They are not promoting it. They did not do it during the time it was needed the most. Why would they do it now when it is already useless?You are correct, they didn't promote much. But I don't think it's useless to promote after a few months. It's strange but not useless. Sony cares about the final numbers so anytime is fine by me. 1 Quote
couldawouldashoulda Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:49 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:49 PM More than likely the only promotion we’ll see is promotion for the tour when she hits the UK. Maybe a little promotion on the east and west coast of the US while she’s there? She has so many shows packed into her NY/NJ stop though, I don’t see how she could do it. But she is a bit of a “machine” as I think David Foster said of her and can do more than the average singer. Quote
jpatdeleon09 Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:56 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:56 PM (edited) That is actually the problem. They are not promoting it. They did not do it during the time it was needed the most. Why would they do it now when it is already useless? Ahh i thought there will be a problem if they will promote this album early next year. Because why not, right? Since she will release PMLALS early next year... Edited December 13, 2019 at 04:58 PM by jpatdeleon09 1 Quote
ryba Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:56 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 04:56 PM (edited) I have a little shimmer of hope that: 1) it was their strategy to reach #1 with the tour bundle for 2019 and that’s enough 2) to re-release the album in February with an extra disc with the remaining songs (as she said a „back to back album“) and then promote the hell out of the re-release to get it to #1 again in 2020 3) accompany the re-release with a Netflix tour/behind the scenes documentary 4) Release Play me like a love song as a single for Valentines Day (Humberto Gatica hinted at that) to establish her as the queen of love songs and power ballads So basically a re-release with a big bang! That would actually be very smart. Edited December 13, 2019 at 05:15 PM by ryba 7 Quote
rodrigo Posted December 13, 2019 at 05:14 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 05:14 PM SPOTIFY WEEK 4 04,953,404 (+206,440) 01. Flying On My Own02,090,788 (+211,690) 02. Lovers Never Die00,841,639 (+110,924) 03. Falling In Love Again03,561,095 (+213,254) 04. Lying Down03,145,540 (+219,188) 05. Courage08,058,450 (+425,510) 06. Imperfections00,715,329 (+094,838) 07. Change My Mind00,626,429 (+080,866) 08. Say Yes00,620,290 (+080,884) 09. Nobody's Watching00,585,264 (+079,652) 10. The Chase00,628,241 (+082,400) 11. For The Lover That I Lost00,615,841 (+081,316) 12. Baby00,532,116 (+069,438) 13. I Will Be Stronger00,532,618 (+070,787) 14. How Did You Get Here00,513,226 (+068,291) 15. Look at Us Now00,541,777 (+070,974) 16. Perfect Goodbye00,480,570 (+066,021) 17. Best of All00,550,547 (+074,441) 18. Heart of Glass00,466,329 (+064,200) 19. Boundaries00,516,026 (+070,953) 20. The Hard Way00,001,904 (+000,182) 21. Soul___________________________ 30,577,423 TOTAL STREAMS 14,786,476 Pre-release streams (up to 14/11/2019)06,252,684 Week 1 (15/11/2019-21/11/2019)04,076,986 Week 2 (22/11/2019-28/11/2019) (-34,80%)03,019,028 Week 3 (29/11/2019-05/12/2019) (-25,95%)02,442,249 Week 4 (06/12/2019-12/12/2019) (-19,10%) 2 Quote
rodrigo Posted December 13, 2019 at 05:15 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 05:15 PM Courage album - streams (Youtube + Spotify) 62,628,423 Million 4 Quote
Xpresso Posted December 13, 2019 at 05:55 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 05:55 PM I think some people here aren't streaming. Come on people, you could at least stream 2 songs a day just like Celine does in her shows! 4 Quote
Shaun Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:08 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:08 PM (edited) Week 4 - UK Official Albums Chart - #18Album Sales - #13Album Downloads - #62Scotland - #12 Sales this week approx 9,000. Edited December 13, 2019 at 06:14 PM by Shaun 3 Quote Bringing you the world's only Celine Dion podcast show since 2014.Find us on Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Spotify & Amazon Music.
smw Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:21 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:21 PM She's currently winning in the Billboard poll... https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8546031/2019-album-of-the-year-poll Vote for her over and over! hahaha Everyone go vote! If you refresh the page, you can vote over & over and you’ll watch Celine’s percentage increase. Madonna is currently winning. Let’s make Celine #1! 1 Quote
joaofilho Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:27 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:27 PM Vote for Celine https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8546031/2019-album-of-the-year-poll 1 Quote
Xpresso Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:52 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:52 PM Everyone go vote! If you refresh the page, you can vote over & over and youll watch Celines percentage increase. Madonna is currently winning. Lets make Celine #1!Some of us can't see the poll. What rank and % is Celine at now? 1 Quote
smw Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:59 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 06:59 PM (edited) Some of us can't see the poll. What rank and % is Celine at now? Madonna is #1 with 47%Celine is #2 with 25% But she can easily win if we all go vote multiple times! (Those of us who can access the poll) Edited December 13, 2019 at 07:11 PM by smw 1 Quote
Kyle_Jared Posted December 13, 2019 at 08:34 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 08:34 PM (edited) Week 4 - UK Official Albums Chart - #18Album Sales - #13Album Downloads - #62Scotland - #12 Sales this week approx 9,000. She's doing really well in the United Kingdom considering there was virtually zero promo. the hold is excellent. If she visited the UK she'd be selling twice this amount every week! Edited December 13, 2019 at 08:35 PM by Kyle_Jared 3 Quote
Jeanette Posted December 13, 2019 at 08:52 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 08:52 PM I actually don’t think the album is doing too badly considering the current market. I think the massive drop in the US just seemed to shock us all 😂 1 Quote
yoyoma Posted December 13, 2019 at 09:33 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 09:33 PM Billboard change 200 album chart again starting 18 jan 2020 to include youtube video streamhttps://www.theverge.com/2019/12/13/21020836/billboard-albums-chart-youtube-vevo-apple-spotify-video-streams Seriously. What a joke. Artist will now release music videos during album release 2 Quote "Take the time to make the time to make each moment count" - Unfinished Songshttps://youtu.be/sh8iyY-X3UQ
yoyoma Posted December 13, 2019 at 09:40 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 09:40 PM Billboard change 200 album chart again starting 18 jan 2020 to include youtube video streamhttps://www.theverge.com/2019/12/13/21020836/billboard-albums-chart-youtube-vevo-apple-spotify-video-streams Seriously. What a joke. Artist will now release music videos during album release ACtually may be a good thing, then we will have more celine videossssss 1 Quote "Take the time to make the time to make each moment count" - Unfinished Songshttps://youtu.be/sh8iyY-X3UQ
Bruno Portugal Posted December 13, 2019 at 10:27 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 10:27 PM Could Courage sales be higher if the album included Ashes? What is your opinion? I confess I am shocked by the results because I consider this one of the best albums of Celine's career. I just adore it! Quote My Webpage >>> TRIBUTE TO CELINE DION
LukeD Posted December 13, 2019 at 10:27 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 10:27 PM I had dinner with colleagues the other day and one of them said how he would attend a Mariah concert. We had a small chat about Mariah and everyone in the group seemed to like her. I mentioned how I have a ticket for a Celine Dion concert and my colleagues had a positive reaction about her as well. One of them mentioned how she heard that the album got the biggest drop in Billboard 200 and that the only reason it went to #1 was because they sold the album with the tour ticket. The other 2 colleagues did not even know Celine had an album out. And none of them dislikes Celine. It was small chat. They are not crazy Mariah fans or anything. Discussion made me feel uncomfortable. Thinking that Celine has done no justice to album. Courage deserved more than that IMO. 1 Quote
Kyle_Jared Posted December 13, 2019 at 10:55 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 10:55 PM I live in Canada and most know she has a new album out as it's been in top 3 since its release and well...it's Canada lol. Some even like new songs. My wife did mention the biggest drop thing. Of course no one mentions #1....people are savage for bad news. I will say it was all over the media it was number 1. However, in the end a fall from #1 is better than a fall from #50 lol... This week she's up to #16 in top album sales USA. Only about 7K but a top 20 in sales 10 years ago at this time would be over 100K. Perspective. 2 Quote
yoyoma Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:03 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:03 PM It makes sense now why celine promo budget is so shitty this time. Sony Columbia is channelling majority of promo for Harry style album which is projected to debut for 300k!!Also have you not noticed mariah christmas milking has been full force like literally everywhere from interviews, new music videos, amazon music, james corden all of them to milk money out of xmas spirit.Now the question, how stupid Sony is not to release the album right after end of vegas and the tour is a follow upOh Sony! 4 Quote "Take the time to make the time to make each moment count" - Unfinished Songshttps://youtu.be/sh8iyY-X3UQ
Kyle_Jared Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:08 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:08 PM (edited) Interesting enough Harry Styles and many other acts included a CD or Digital copy of artists new album with every ticket purchased. Celine's tour has one CD copy, per order. Had Celine included a CD or digital copy for every ticket purchased her redemptions would have been twice what they were. We'd be looking at probably 250K plus opening in USA. I actually think the way Celine did it is fair. Because out of 4-5 people attending that concert with tickets bought there probably is only 1 in 5 who would buy the album. When I went to Bryan Adams my order was 8 tickets for the show. My wife and only don't need two copies of the album so I gave one copy to her parents. And couples buying tickets would not need two copies. Celine's first week sales truly are reflective of who would of bought album. I think one album per ticket actually is deceiving and inflates what otherwise would be bought. 109,000 sold was probably because average order was 4-5 tickets. Only one Album sent out for that number. Edited December 13, 2019 at 11:11 PM by Kyle_Jared 1 Quote
yoyoma Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:16 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:16 PM Interesting enough Harry Styles and many other acts included a CD or Digital copy of artists new album with every ticket purchased. Celine's tour has one CD copy, per order. Had Celine included a CD or digital copy for every ticket purchased her redemptions would have been twice what they were. We'd be looking at probably 250K plus opening in USA. I actually think the way Celine did it is fair. Because out of 4-5 people attending that concert with tickets bought there probably is only 1 in 5 who would buy the album. When I went to Bryan Adams my order was 8 tickets for the show. My wife and only don't need two copies of the album so I gave one copy to her parents. And couples buying tickets would not need two copies. Celine's first week sales truly are reflective of who would of bought album. I think one album per ticket actually is deceiving and inflates what otherwise would be bought. 109,000 sold was probably because average order was 4-5 tickets. Only one Album sent out for that number. I thought it is always the case that ticket bundle is per order, even for acts like madonna. I am sure the rule applies the same from billboard point of view.Another thing to note that as much as celine sold out tickets, some scrappers not fans actually may have bought tickets and don't bother to redeem them.I went to the Toronto few days ago and I literally have to send email to the ticketmaster to send me the redemption link.Of course, Sony would rather people do not redeem the cd because then they have to order for the cds to be made and it costs them money. They have already achieved the goal by selling expensive tickets and having celine scored no 1. I think that is their goal. I just hope next time celine releases album, Sony will promote heartedly because then there may no more tour to support it Quote "Take the time to make the time to make each moment count" - Unfinished Songshttps://youtu.be/sh8iyY-X3UQ
Kyle_Jared Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:29 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:29 PM I thought it is always the case that ticket bundle is per order, even for acts like madonna. I am sure the rule applies the same from billboard point of view.Another thing to note that as much as celine sold out tickets, some scrappers not fans actually may have bought tickets and don't bother to redeem them.I went to the Toronto few days ago and I literally have to send email to the ticketmaster to send me the redemption link.Of course, Sony would rather people do not redeem the cd because then they have to order for the cds to be made and it costs them money. They have already achieved the goal by selling expensive tickets and having celine scored no 1. I think that is their goal.I just hope next time celine releases album, Sony will promote heartedly because then there may no more tour to support it No go to Ticketmaster and read the offer. And Billboard counts the redemptions. More offer more redemptions. She's done plenty of promo in the States but she's a legacy artist and is doing just fine. Quote
yoyoma Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:40 PM Posted December 13, 2019 at 11:40 PM No go to Ticketmaster and read the offer. And Billboard counts the redemptions. More offer more redemptions. She's done plenty of promo in the States but she's a legacy artist and is doing just fine. You are right. If that is the case, celine would not have fallen to 111 in second week as there would have been some redemptions. Again Sony!!! Quote "Take the time to make the time to make each moment count" - Unfinished Songshttps://youtu.be/sh8iyY-X3UQ
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