"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Squall]

If Celine had released the album at the same time Deadpool 2 came out and "Ashes" was the first single, the album would have been a hit. If she had released the album when "Flying On My Own" was released and that was the lead single and it had a killer music video, the album would have been a hit. But instead, she chose to release the best chance at a hit single under the radar and months before the album came out. The singles she chose to kick off the release of her album were...dull. I'm sorry, but there's no universe where "Imperfections" would be a hit. It's fine as a filler song for the album. But first single with a music video? "Courage" is a beautiful song but nobody is going to want to listen to that on the radio or at the gym. And ANOTHER black and white music video?

 

As far as Wendy Williams goes, the only thing more annoying that her is her audience. She's all "We don't want new music! We have bills to pay!" and her brain dead audience nods their heads and applauds like she's some brilliant woman offering her wisdom. No matter what idiotic thing Wendy says, her audience treats her like she's Oprah.

[Squall]

No.. Most of us are agreed that this is a fantastic album. but the lack of Celine and her team to really promote the album, esspecially in her courage tour, that is why this all happened.

 

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Yeah, for a tour that is called "Courage" the new album is a total after thought. My first Celine concert was for her "Let's Talk About Love" tour. And that concert was filled with songs from the new album. The was WHOLE REASON for the tour. This tour, you're lucky if you get one or two songs from the new album.

[marc-02]

Oh, look! The "dull, flat, and flop" album just got certified. 🤣🤣🤣

 

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Edited December 16, 2019 at 03:31 PM by marc-02

[superstar85ca]

No.. Most of us are agreed that this is a fantastic album. but the lack of Celine and her team to really promote the album, esspecially in her courage tour, that is why this all happened.

 

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I dont think it is from lack of promotion that it happened. There could have been lots more promo yes but to fall off the charts the way it did - a lot of people are not interested in her new music. I dont think there is enough promo on the planet to make people buy her music if they arent die hard fans. That's what I think anyway. I guess Its combined recipe for poor album sales. Nobody ever accused Sony and Celines team for being the most proactive when it comes to album publicity, making videos and releasing singles that's for sure! Edited December 16, 2019 at 04:45 PM by superstar85ca

[Shaun]

The album is #17 in the UK midweek chart.

[Kyle_Jared]

The album is #17 in the UK midweek chart.

 

This is fantastic. Frig, she's doing great in UK without a lick of promo. She does have her singles on BBC Radio 2 i'm sure that's helping.

 

For all the bitching and complaining on this forum she's Top 20 in UK and France since release, top 10 in Canada, Top 25 in Austrailia and Top 20 in USA album sales chart. (not sales plus streaming; sales alone).

 

Compare these sales to another diva's album release the same time last year. Called "Caution." Go ahead.

Edited December 16, 2019 at 05:58 PM by Kyle_Jared

[guigafs15]

Everyone knows how twisted Wendy is, that's not new. But, unfortunately, what she said there is exactly what America thinks: if you are a veteran artist, stick to your old songs. Nobody wants nothing new from you.

 

The numbers from any old artist's new material prove that. Celine is not an exception.

[joaofilho]

Everyone knows how twisted Wendy is, that's not new. But, unfortunately, what she said there is exactly what America thinks: if you are a veteran artist, stick to your old songs. Nobody wants nothing new from you.

 

The numbers from any old artist's new material prove that. Celine is not an exception.

If people in the United States think this, it's sad, but we fans always want new material from our favorite singers, whether they are new artists or music veterans.

In Celine's case, I always want new songs, new material, music videos, DVDs, everything.

If she appears on some shows after Christmas, I'm sure the album will return to the charts.

[superstar85ca]

Wouldn't it be cool if the album was like "re-launched" and actually climbed it's way back up? I mean, that would never happen but wouldn't it be like, so wonderful?? Also if there were more excerpts of her music from the album being played besides Flying on my own, courage and Imperfections?

[guigafs15]

Meanwhile, Mariah hits her 19 #1 spot with "All I Want For Christmas..."

 

With a old song, obviously.

 

That will grant to her some good press for awhile. Unfortunately, that's not going to translate into good numbers for her non-Christimas material.

 

This industry is so unfair with our icons. It's just sad.

[dyusha]

MAKING THE ALBUM :

 

This is really beautiful but I don’t think it should be called Making The Album. More like COURAGE album EPK or extended commercial

[jpatdeleon09]

Meanwhile, Mariah hits her 19 #1 spot with "All I Want For Christmas..."

 

With a old song, obviously.

 

That will grant to her some good press for awhile. Unfortunately, that's not going to translate into good numbers for her non-Christimas material.

 

This industry is so unfair with our icons. It's just sad.

 

She’s working hard to promote this song just to be number 1. Uploading old videos of the song. Christmas concert back in early 90’s and many more.

 

Team Céline should make an effort as well if they really want Céline to be in the charts again. Streaming is important now to be in the charts.

Edited December 16, 2019 at 08:17 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Ajax]

Making of TC album is better. They put more effort with it. She really needs a MANAGER to push her to do things like promoting, photoshoots, videoshoots, etc. like Rene did to her before

 

We had more videos and photoshoots since 2015 than what we had since 2007 and 2 albums under René’s management.

[rodrigo]

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[ryba]

They should focus on intense promo in countries where she is in top positions

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

We had more videos and photoshoots since 2015 than what we had since 2007 and 2 albums under René’s management.

 

Really?

 

Before we have:

 

2007

 

D’elles (Photoshoots and Videoshoots)

- 2 music videos?

- 2 tv specials

- Recording sessions

 

Taking Chances (Photoshoots and Videoshoots)

- 2 music videos?

(Oh 1 is cancelled)

- Recording Sessions

- 1 TV special (CBS)

- 2-3 TV Spots? (including Alone & Eyes On Me)

 

Oscars (I Knew I Loved You)

AMAs (Taking Chances)

American Idol (If I Can Dream)

WMA (Award + Taking Chances performance)

Star Academy

Deal Or No Deal (Le Banquier)

Dancing With The Stars (MHWGO and TC)

X Factor (Taking Chances)

An Audience With Céline Dion (UK)

Gala Cherie FM (SNRQ & Immensite)

Italy Show (I Knew I Loved You & TC)

Wetten Dass? (German Show) [MHWGO (Gargle) & TC]

The Today Show (TC, IDAN & TC)

Ellen show (Interview + TC, BYLM)

Christmas Rockefeller Show (The Christmas Song + Alone + TC)

Photo session (USA)

Masquerade Ball (USA)

The Early Show (TC, The Christmas Song, Alone & BYLM)

BAFTA (MHWGO & Birthday song)

Sainte Justine Concert

and many more

 

She did so many promotions back then (going to different countries) not just to promote. More concert as well and more tv appearances

Edited December 16, 2019 at 08:40 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Ajax]

I’m talking about original videos and photoshoots as you just demonstrated.

 

taking chances one.

loved me back to life: one.

 

Not even talking about the photoshoots since 2015 and already 3 videos with Ashes and let s hope another one soon for Lying down.

[comingback]

Meanwhile, Mariah hits her 19 #1 spot with "All I Want For Christmas..."

 

With a old song, obviously.

 

That will grant to her some good press for awhile. Unfortunately, that's not going to translate into good numbers for her non-Christimas material.

 

This industry is so unfair with our icons. It's just sad.

She's working hard to promote this song just to be number 1. Uploading old videos of the song. Christmas concert back in early 90's and many more.

 

Team Céline should make an effort as well if they really want Céline to be in the charts again. Streaming is important now to be in the charts.

 

Normally I defend Celine , but this time it's her and TC's fault.

Mariah promotes her own music (yes, an old classic song), but she promotes it cleverer than Celine.

Celine promotes the Instagram shop and L'oreal and don't care her about her music. The result is Courage.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Vhz5BiypU

Edited December 16, 2019 at 08:58 PM by comingback

[jpatdeleon09]

I’m talking about original videos and photoshoots as you just demonstrated.

 

taking chances one.

loved me back to life: one.

 

Not even talking about the photoshoots since 2015 and already 3 videos with Ashes and let s hope another one soon for Lying down.

 

Oh i forgot her Oprah show 2007

(TC, Alone, IDAN, MHWGO & BYLM)

 

Well, that long list is a promo of her new album as well.

 

Well for music videos

 

2016 - no music video You and I (2004)

2017 - HDALF (No céline) JNVOP (2005)

2018 - Ashes? Is like Tous Les Secrets (English & French ) (2006)

2019 - Courage & Imperfections? TC + SNRQ & Immensite (2007) we can add A World To Believe In (with Ito Yuna) (2008)

Edited December 16, 2019 at 08:59 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Ajax]

She did more videos in a few weeks on this new album than on her last 2 English album combined. that s my point. So no in term of videos the situation was not better under René. The situation has also exploded in term of photoshoots.

 

Then of course she did almost no TV promo for this album.

[Ajax]

I’m happy Celine doesn’t have to look that stupid every Christmas while we are all complaining that she is stuck with her old hits. The bad test of all that is out of this world.

 

As much as this setlist is bad I still prefer her presenting Tous les Blues to the American audience every night and doing her thing with the satisfaction that she managed to put one of her best album at 51 than desperately capitalizing on this cringy old hit. The bad test of all that is almost scary.

 

I know that another 1 position chart plus Christmas is like the Saint Graal for the American standards but overall I’m not sure it s that positive for her image.

[jpatdeleon09]

She did more videos in a few weeks on this new album than on her last 2 English album combined. that s my point. So no in term of videos the situation was not better under René. The situation has also exploded in term of photoshoots.

 

Then of course she did almost no TV promo for this album.

 

On music videos...

 

Courage, Imperfections & maybe Lying Down so 3

But she did 5 music videos before (TC, EOM, SNRQ, Immensite & A World To Believe In)

 

So she needs to make more Music videos so i can agree at least 6 music videos lol

 

But for photoshoots. She did more back then than now (Hello the never ending recycled photoshoots from alik malka.. is that his name?)

 

I think she did more Fashion commercials now (no connection with her music) except the insta shopping?

Edited December 16, 2019 at 09:20 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Ajax]

I still need to see the videos for eyes on me and world to believe in.

 

Photoshoots ? Are you kidding me ? She did more in 3 years in magazines than her whole career come on. Not even talking about the numerous pictures for courage.

[guigafs15]

 

 

She’s working hard to promote this song just to be number 1. Uploading old videos of the song. Christmas concert back in early 90’s and many more.

 

Team Céline should make an effort as well if they really want Céline to be in the charts again. Streaming is important now to be in the charts.

 

But Mariah and her team did all the promo because there was already a great interest and support around the song. Without any promotion, the song grew every single year.

 

In that case, a big promotion it's a great move because it's the difference between being at #10 or #1.

 

But in Celine's case, or even Mariah in her regular albums, it makes no difference, cause there's no interest at all and they are completely ignored by the industry.

 

A big promotion, with all the costs and work, would've turn what it was a "really bad outcome" into a "bad outcome". At most, would've get her out of the "big drop in history" thing, but no more then that.

 

It's just not worth it and Celine knows it, her team knows it, her label knows it.

 

A big promotion is only worth it when you actually have a chance of a fight, like Mariah has with Christmas. Otherwise, it's just waste of money, time and energy.

Edited December 16, 2019 at 09:27 PM by guigafs15

[jpatdeleon09]

I still need to see the videos for eyes on me and world to believe in.

 

Photoshoots ? Are you kidding me ? She did more in 3 years in magazines than her whole career come on. Not even talking about the numerous pictures for courage.

 

Yeah I want to see the Music Video of Eyes On Me. Someone mentioned that before here about the MV of EOM

 

You haven’t seen the MV of AWTBI?

 

Oh so you include the (no connection with her music career) photshoots? So more in fashion photoshoots?

 

Courage? Really? How many?

 

Witb rene’s management

 

céline always have the new photo for a new show

 

Unlike the recycled photos since 2016-2018 summer shows

Edited December 16, 2019 at 09:34 PM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

But Mariah and her team did all the promo because there was already a great interest and support around the song. Without any promotion, the song grew every single year.

 

In that case, a big promotion it's a great move because it's the difference between being at #10 or #1.

 

But in Celine's case, or even Mariah in her regular albums, it makes no difference, cause there's no interest at all and they are completely ignored by the industry.

 

A big promotion, with all the costs and work, would've turn what it was a "really bad outcome" into a "bad outcome". At most, would've get her out of the "big drop in history" thing, but no more then that.

 

It's just not worth it and Celine knows it, her team knows it, her label knows it.

 

A big promotion is only worth it when you actually have a chance of a fight, like Mariah has with Christmas. Otherwise, it's just waste of money, time and energy.

 

Because it’s a christmas time, right?

 

Then why the heck they released the album close to holidays?

They should change the relase date for her future albums

[Ajax]

That s crazy how you are twisting things even you, you re confessing that there s no video for EOM. lol

 

we have one video for taking chances. One for Loved me back to life. There s nothing I can do about that. 2 so far in few weeks for Courage.

 

And there s more pictures for Courage and in différents environment than there is for her last 2 English albums combined. Deal with that.

Edited December 16, 2019 at 09:41 PM by Ajax

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Yeah I want to see the Music Video of Eyes On Me. Someone mentioned that before here about the MV of EOM

 

You haven’t seen the MV of AWTBI?

 

Oh so you include the (no connection with her music career) photshoots? So more in fashion photoshoots?

 

Courage? Really? How many?

 

Witb rene’s management

 

céline always have the new photo for a new show

 

Unlike the recycled photos since 2016-2018 summer shows

 

Rene was using pics from the TCWT to advertise Celine and had the 2008 TCWT RDMH dress as the marquee picture for YEARS

[Ajax]

Thank you

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Rene was using pics from the TCWT to advertise Celine and had the 2008 TCWT RDMH dress as the marquee picture for YEARS

 

Really? I saw that pic on Céline’s 2nd residency show. Unlike the malka photoshoots that were used in all of her summer tours back in 2016-2018