"Courage" album - Official Topic

[marc-02]

Billboard and Spotify on a roll with their promotion hahaha

 

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Edited December 23, 2019 at 04:11 PM by marc-02

[scielle]

Re. the above - who pays for videos depends on the terms of her contract with Columbia.

 

Anyway, here just to post this from Spotify:

 

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[jpatdeleon09]

Now, i like them to release the karaoke instrumentals of Courage. It sounds amazing

[Shaun]

Celine continues to hold at #18 in the latest midweek UK Album Chart.

[mirage]

This, if she doesn't bother to perform the new songs, but keeps claiming she so excited about them etc I don't want a new album at all with all the buzz created around it.

 

Than just release an EP every now and then, don't talk about it, don't put any more effort in it than just recording the songs.

 

All this buzz around Courage for years, the extravaganza in the magazines fashion videos etc.

And on release day and after that completely ignore and forget you just released a new album. What for?

 

 

 

You think I want her to retire? No absolutely NOT. I think she’s a great performer, my point is...If she doesn’t want to promote her “new” music and songs then she should retire from producing new music. This current tour should’ve been marketed as a Greatest Hits Tour or “Celine live 2019-2020”. I also don’t want her to retire from making new music either, however; if she doesn’t care to sing the new songs live or promoting the new songs then she’s wasting her time, we already know the new music isn’t where the money is. And if she rather sing songs by dead people and hits from 25 years ago... then I fail to see the point. And to say it’s for us “fans” that also makes it weird when she does it for her fans but then forgets about the same fans when it comes to the setlist of shows and promotion.

[Nando Férri]

Courage is already out of Billboard 200 chart.

[AdrienneM]

Courage is already out of Billboard 200 chart.

Still spent 4 weeks on the chart, longer than any of her counterparts recent attempts

[PuraVida]

Don‘t be silly, this is ridiculous! I rather have her releasing a new album without much promotion than not releasing anything at all. Come on! Of course it’s sad that she doesn’t pay enough attention to the new material, but she gave us a new great album, so stop talking nonsense. And maybe this little promo was Sonys strategy and something is coming in February. We don’t know.

 

I just wonder how her voice will hold up in 5-6 years...it would probably be a very different sound or genre.

 

[Céline RO]

I just wonder how her voice will hold up in 5-6 years...it would probably be a very different sound or genre.

 

Her voice will probably be very similar to now in 5-6 years. Just like her current voice is quite similar to her 2013-2014 voice.

[Céline RO]

Re. the above - who pays for videos depends on the terms of her contract with Columbia.

 

Anyway, here just to post this from Spotify:

 

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What could she be recording in those shots? It can’t be from the album.

[MTJ]

What could she be recording in those shots? It can’t be from the album.

 

It's probably just promotional.

 

On another note: I ordered the Japanese version. Can't wait to hear Soul!

[maki_Dion-er]

She might not be doing any promo in person, on talk shows, etc, but Sony continues to promote Courage through Spotify. They even have billboards promoting her Christmas music on spotify.

 

Also, she's definitely not singing Courage in that clip. Wonder what she was recording, it got her doing the air guitar.

Re. the above - who pays for videos depends on the terms of her contract with Columbia.

 

Anyway, here just to post this from Spotify:

 

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[LukeD]

 

Still spent 4 weeks on the chart, longer than any of her counterparts recent attempts

Can we please drop this mentality? Celine is better than any of her peers and she deserves the best. The album's performance on Billboard 200 is disappointing and no comparison can change that. I appreciate the fact that you are coming from a good place, trying to remain positive, but we're dealing with an unprecedented disaster here.

[yoyoma]

She is doing alright. Almost third in the charts are christmas albums. After 25 dec, courage will be back again in top 200

[AdrienneM]

Can we please drop this mentality? Celine is better than any of her peers and she deserves the best. The album's performance on Billboard 200 is disappointing and no comparison can change that. I appreciate the fact that you are coming from a good place, trying to remain positive, but we're dealing with an unprecedented disaster here.

 

You really think, regardless of how much promo she did or regardless of how many appearances she did that she wouldve faired much better? She maybe wouldve got a few extra thousand first week sales but thats about it. To secure a solid spot for weeks and weeks SHE NEEDS STREAMS and she doesnt get them, no veteran does on their new stuff, so regardless, she was gonna fall of the charts anyway. On top of that, she is going into the Xmas season with the release, Xmas now affects the charts so much due to streaming, Mariahs Merry Christmas album has “sold” 51,000 copies this week just from All i Want For Christmas Is You streams! And that took 50 MILLION streams to do so... To call an album which still sold over 130,000 copies in the US in its first month, in the streaming era, as a veteran artist, received critical acclaim and has currently sold over 410,000 pure copies worldwide after 4 weeks, a disaster.... you’re expectations are MUCH too high

[browseceline]

Then i am instagram and i see they are trying to promote boundaries on spotify by showing shoes, Celine and fitting designerclothes - all in black & white... Why.. Why promoting new music like this? Was there really no concept to think of that really fits with the lyrics??? Plus - is this a glimpse of a new black & white videoclip?

At least Mariah spends all she can on a colourful videoclip with dancers and a concept.- even for a very old song! .

 

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Edited December 24, 2019 at 09:15 AM by browseceline

[comingback]

https://talkaboutpop.../?s=celine dion

 

great website with reviews for all English albums (exept LMBTL)

Edited December 24, 2019 at 09:35 AM by comingback

[weasley123]

Then i am instagram and i see they are trying to promote boundaries on spotify by showing shoes, Celine and fitting designerclothes - all in black & white... Why.. Why promoting new music like this? Was there really no concept to think of that really fits with the lyrics??? Plus - is this a glimpse of a new black & white videoclip?

At least Mariah spends all she can on a colourful videoclip with dancers and a concept.- even for a very old song! .

 

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What? Black and white again? For god’s sake, we need colors!

[Ronny83]

She might not be doing any promo in person, on talk shows, etc, but Sony continues to promote Courage through Spotify. They even have billboards promoting her Christmas music on spotify.

 

Also, she's definitely not singing Courage in that clip. Wonder what she was recording, it got her doing the air guitar.

 

She could've recorded a Spotify Session.

[alexceline]

Then i am instagram and i see they are trying to promote boundaries on spotify by showing shoes, Celine and fitting designerclothes - all in black & white... Why.. Why promoting new music like this? Was there really no concept to think of that really fits with the lyrics??? Plus - is this a glimpse of a new black & white videoclip?

At least Mariah spends all she can on a colourful videoclip with dancers and a concept.- even for a very old song! .

 

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What are you talking about? These are spotify canvases. Nothing to do with a music video. For most songs they're taken from that tour promo video and they have cut it and put a few seconds on each song. This song just happened to have the part with the shoes, but the ones where she's singing in the red dress also come from the same video, just a different excerpt of it. Why are you making it so dramatic? They could have left all the songs except the singles blank, like most artists do on non singles. They just decided to put canvas on everything.

Edited December 24, 2019 at 11:22 AM by alexceline

[Robrules3]

Can we please drop this mentality? Celine is better than any of her peers and she deserves the best. The album's performance on Billboard 200 is disappointing and no comparison can change that. I appreciate the fact that you are coming from a good place, trying to remain positive, but we're dealing with an unprecedented disaster here.

 

Disaster is relative in the music industry. And relative to her counterparts, its not a disaster at all

[LukeD]

You really think, regardless of how much promo she did or regardless of how many appearances she did that she wouldve faired much better? She maybe wouldve got a few extra thousand first week sales but thats about it. To secure a solid spot for weeks and weeks SHE NEEDS STREAMS and she doesnt get them, no veteran does on their new stuff, so regardless, she was gonna fall of the charts anyway. On top of that, she is going into the Xmas season with the release, Xmas now affects the charts so much due to streaming, Mariahs Merry Christmas album has "sold" 51,000 copies this week just from All i Want For Christmas Is You streams! And that took 50 MILLION streams to do so... To call an album which still sold over 130,000 copies in the US in its first month, in the streaming era, as a veteran artist, received critical acclaim and has currently sold over 410,000 pure copies worldwide after 4 weeks, a disaster.... you're expectations are MUCH too high

I called the album a disaster in terms of its US chart performance, we should therefore leave its worldwide sales aside. And I do believe the album would have done MUCH better in US had Celine bothered to promote it. There is no way it would drop 100+ spots in its second week. There is no way it would drop out of Billboard 200 after few weeks. Not to mention she would have avoided all the negative press treating the album as a celebrated flop. This era was marketed as Dionaissance and sorry to say this is not what I am witnessing.

[LukeD]

Disaster is relative in the music industry. And relative to her counterparts, its not a disaster at all

Whatever helps you sleep at night. This is clearly a coping mechanism Celine fans have recently developed. The album flops in US so the next step to make yourselves feel better is comparing it to albums that performed worse. Brilliant. Just brilliant. Dionnaisance my #ss.

[jpatdeleon09]

I wouldn’t say it was a flop since it became number 1. Call it flop if it doesn’t reach the top 100 ever

[AdrienneM]

I called the album a disaster in terms of its US chart performance, we should therefore leave its worldwide sales aside. And I do believe the album would have done MUCH better in US had Celine bothered to promote it. There is no way it would drop 100+ spots in its second week. There is no way it would drop out of Billboard 200 after few weeks. Not to mention she would have avoided all the negative press treating the album as a celebrated flop. This era was marketed as Dionaissance and sorry to say this is not what I am witnessing.

 

The fact alone, that Rolling Stone chart reported her pre-bundles first week sales as 79.5k, is a marvel for a veteran musician in the streaming era. To debut at #1 with over 113,000 sales is also incredible. However, physical sales via bundles and pre-orders on ITunes etc are always gone after the first week, for every artist, there on, its up to streams to keep the album afloat... Celine barely gets any streams, Imperfections, the best streamed song on the album, only has 8 million streams, and from the second week, it got around 600,000 streams, for context, that doesnt even add up to 4,000 sales! Her second week she barely got enough streams to scrape the sales that she did, as (as with ALL ALBUMS now) there were little if any digital or physical purchases. Her streams arent high enough to support her album sales, especially not in the US, ESPECIALLY not in the peak release/holiday season... it’s ridiculous to assume she would do better than she did, even if she had done 3 or 4 more talk shows or performances, it wouldnt matter as she doesnt have the streams to back it up, plain and simple. People nowadays are getting 10 million streams IN ONE DAY on ONE SONG on album release/single releases, Celine doesnt even have that on one song after 3 months! And thats the best performing song on the album! For her to have stayed in the top 10, she wouldve needed *At least* 7.5 million streams in the second week IN THE US ALONE. What you are witnessing is what happens to almost all artists, especially veterans... hell, if todays biggest stars didnt have streams they wouldnt even be on the charts! Album sales have fallen by something ridiculous like 200% in 5 years. I think what you, and many others, need to realise is that streaming is the way the industry works now, sales whether physical or digital, unless extremely, EXTREMELY well sold like Taylor (who had every type of bundle under the sun and 6 months of pre-ordering) mean absolutely nothing. Until the day comes (and i dont think it will) where Celine becomes a streaming force, we wont see the levels of chart success yall so desperately crave

[Nando Férri]

Can we please drop this mentality? Celine is better than any of her peers and she deserves the best. The album's performance on Billboard 200 is disappointing and no comparison can change that. I appreciate the fact that you are coming from a good place, trying to remain positive, but we're dealing with an unprecedented disaster here.

Well said.

[browseceline]

What are you talking about? These are spotify canvases. Nothing to do with a music video. For most songs they're taken from that tour promo video and they have cut it and put a few seconds on each song. This song just happened to have the part with the shoes, but the ones where she's singing in the red dress also come from the same video, just a different excerpt of it. Why are you making it so dramatic? They could have left all the songs except the singles blank, like most artists do on non singles. They just decided to put canvas on everything.

Okay.. Guess i am just dissapointed with all the promo. Even in this backstagevideo it could have focused on the individual songs, who produced them, recording sessions, songwriters etc and all i see on instagram is fashion fashion..

I really hope she does have some surprises in store for next year instead of milking the familiar cow

 

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[Robrules3]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. This is clearly a coping mechanism Celine fans have recently developed. The album flops in US so the next step to make yourselves feel better is comparing it to albums that performed worse. Brilliant. Just brilliant. Dionnaisance my #ss.

 

You're the one who can't seem to sleep at night? I'm happily enjoying the album whereas all you can think are about are sales

[mirage]

Oh if only. But these days it's more

 

Coulda Woulda Shoulda with her team.

 

 

 

 

 

She could've recorded a Spotify Session.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I don’t know...the more I listen to this album (well, tracks 1-13 and 16; am saving the other 7 tracks for the supposed PMLALS single on Valentine’s Day which would bring the total to 8 new songs for my enjoyment) the more I’m realizing how personal of an album it is and, in a way, I’m glad she’s not promoting it more or even singing a lot of it on tour. It’s like it’s a secret little personal album from her to me (us) where she expresses the range of emotions she’s gone through over the past few years. I’ll take it.