"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Nmj]

Still waiting for the “Lying Down” music video... meanwhile Mariah Carey has released 20 music videos for “All I Want For Christmas Is You”

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

In the same tweet her fan is complaining about Caution not being promoted as well as this is. It seems to me that she and her label put more energy into promoting an already successful christmas song (during christmas, can't get any easier) to get her another number one than promoting her new material which did much worse than Courage (which isn't doing bad at all imo).

 

Celine should do more promo but her peers are

not doing that much more or better than her.

 

Mariah is only relevant of it’s christmas lol that’s why Veronic’s Joke about Mariah is on point lol

 

Is it christmas? Haha

 

Oh my gosh so evil of me lol

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

That's not even comparable lol. Brenda Lee is like 80 years old, hasn't been out of her house and she was #3 last week. Their profit off of AIWFCIY is much more than what they're spending to promote.

 

Mariah already had the sales as does every other christmas classic, and they're just pushing it for #1.

 

Exactly, they’re just pushing it for number 1 and they succeeded after all these years. And they really put effort to released so many music videos of that song lol even the old performances. Anyways,

 

I hope Céline’s team are just like them. Upload more videos, more effort.

 

And they should not released an album close to the holiday season.. of course people will focus more on holiday tracks. After holloween it’s christmas time. Early christmas

[scielle]

Nice to see Katie Couric comment on the IG version of this post. https://www.instagra.../p/B6Vo9WMnTix/

 

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...and Billboard made it into an article... https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8546956/celine-dion-poses-for-brief-reunion-with-collaborators-in-toronto-see

[alexceline]

 

 

Exactly, they’re just pushing it for number 1 and they succeeded after all these years. And they really put effort to released so many music videos of that song lol even the old performances. Anyways,

 

I hope Céline’s team are just like them. Upload more videos, more effort.

 

And they should not released an album close to the holiday season.. of course people will focus more on holiday tracks. After holloween it’s christmas time. Early christmas

 

Yes exactly because they're making organically huge profit of the song anyway.They can afford to spend money for it because it'll make them tons more.See what promo there was for caution where the company made no profit or very little.

 

 

[alexceline]

 

 

...and Billboard made it into an article... https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8546956/celine-dion-poses-for-brief-reunion-with-collaborators-in-toronto-see

 

That's kinda random?

[alexceline]

 

 

...and Billboard made it into an article... https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8546956/celine-dion-poses-for-brief-reunion-with-collaborators-in-toronto-see

 

That's kinda random?

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Yes exactly because they're making organically huge profit of the song anyway.They can afford to spend money for it because it'll make them tons more.See what promo there was for caution where the company made no profit or very little.

 

Oh that’s how it works.. i thought you can just do promo like attend more tv shows and perform and do whatever it takes to promote the new album.. so.. wait? how will you increase the sales if you don’t promote? So, you’ll have to wait someone to buy your record before promoting it more?

 

Besides they’re already risking it by making the album. They don’t know if everyone will buy it. And they hit the number 1 spot if they just have maintained it by doing more promos maybe it will not be eliminated from top 100 that fast. Imagine after a week. It’s gone from top 100.

 

I don’t know how it works in music business but i know if you’re gonna sell something. Promote it.

Edited December 21, 2019 at 08:17 PM by jpatdeleon09

[alexceline]

 

 

Oh that’s how it works.. i thought you can just do promo like attend more tv shows and perform and do whatever it takes to promote the new album.. so.. wait? how will you increase the sales if you don’t promote?

 

Besides they’re already risking it by making the album. They don’t know if everyone will buy it. And they hit the number 1 spot if they just have maintained it by doing more promos maybe it will not be eliminated from top 100 that fast.

 

I don’t know how it works in music business but i know if you’re gonna sell something. Promote it.

 

They're given a certain budget. I mean, sure they could and should promote it more. I'm just saying it's not comparable to All I want for christmas promo.

Edited December 21, 2019 at 08:14 PM by alexceline

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

They're given a certain budget. I mean, sure they could and should promote it more. Even though the amount of albums Celine sells isn't that significant to Sony but it's still decent. I'm just saying it's not comparable to All I want for christmas promo.

 

Oh so they will give céline a certain amount to promote? Now i know. I thought Céline is the one who will spend on promoting her new album. Wait! Sorry. Is Sony the one who will give a certain amount to Céline to promote the new album?

Edited December 21, 2019 at 08:18 PM by jpatdeleon09

[comingback]

Oh so they will give céline a certain amount to promote? Now i know. I thought Céline is the one who will spend on promoting her new album. Wait! Sorry. Is Sony the one who will give a certain amount to Céline to promote the new album?

 

Yes, L'Oreal and Instagram have more budget for Celine than Sony.

I'm so glad, that I experienced the 90s as a teen when Celine, Mariah ... and the whole music industry were at their peak. Nowadays it sucks.

Edited December 22, 2019 at 11:40 AM by comingback

[jpatdeleon09]

So, the artists are the one who spends money to promote..?

 

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Edited December 22, 2019 at 03:06 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Kyle_Jared]

I notice Celine is in New York/ Jersey area for about 10 days in February-March. Here's hoping she does some Promo. Lots of great shows she visit: GMA, Today, Live with Ryan and Kelly, The View, Etc.. I'd love a morning performance on Today or GMA

[ryba]

I notice Celine is in New York/ Jersey area for about 10 days in February-March. Here's hoping she does some Promo. Lots of great shows she visit: GMA, Today, Live with Ryan and Kelly, The View, Etc.. I'd love a morning performance on Today or GMA

I think that something is cooking. Maybe a re-release with a documentary! I hope it won’t be anything less than that! Edited December 22, 2019 at 04:42 PM by ryba

[AdrienneM]

Yall seem to forget shes also booked full with multiple dates across the area, including multiple back to back sets of shows... you’d think shed be allowed time off between them but nope, y’all want *more* and would then wonder why shed sound tired and exhausted... its almost like she’d have no breaks!?!?!

[Nmj]

Yall seem to forget shes also booked full with multiple dates across the area, including multiple back to back sets of shows... you’d think shed be allowed time off between them but nope, y’all want *more* and would then wonder why shed sound tired and exhausted... its almost like she’d have no breaks!?!?!

 

Yeah people want more. If she was in Vegas singing the same setlist for years with no new music to promote that’s one thing. She instead just released a new album ( a great one at that) she only sings 2 out of the 20 new songs on the tour, which is named after the album by the way...

The album debuts at number 1, and then drops to the hundreds in the second week ( a new record... except NOT one anybody should be bragging about) and why?? Because she hasn’t promoted this album at all.

 

This promotion job, probably the worst in history, let’s not sugar coat things. It’s one thing if Celine doesn’t care anymore... but then she should retire if she doesn’t.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Yeah people want more. If she was in Vegas singing the same setlist for years with no new music to promote that’s one thing. She instead just released a new album ( a great one at that) she only sings 2 out of the 20 new songs on the tour, which is named after the album by the way...

The album debuts at number 1, and then drops to the hundreds in the second week ( a new record... except NOT one anybody should be bragging about) and why?? Because she hasn’t promoted this album at all.

 

This promotion job, probably the worst in history, let’s not sugar coat things. It’s one thing if Celine doesn’t care anymore... but then she should retire if she doesn’t.

 

Its bad for HER, it is now however seemingly the trend amongst her and her peers nowadays.

 

I understand wanting more promo at the time of release as well as a better setlist, however, to ask her to do repeated promo in between a very tight performance schedule when by that point the album is 5 months old is silly and impractical, as well as extremely unlikely to happen. The Montreal rescheduling was obviously not their first choice, im sure they looked around to try and find other times but venue availability plays a big big part, but it had to be done, she couldve very easily just cancelled said Montreal, but her being the people pleaser that she is, was determined to reschedule them, and she did.

 

And to say she should retire is silly. It is rather obvious to me at this point new music let alone promoting it (which shes said shes hated doing for nigh on 20 years) is absolutely not her main priority or passion. Singing and performing have always been her priority #1. And the beauty is that shes built such a legacy, such a fantastic career, that she could literally never release an album again, and yet still perform to the masses and do what she loves. Shes always been a performer, since day one, she became a recording artists years later

Edited December 22, 2019 at 08:26 PM by AdrienneM

[Nmj]

 

 

Its bad for HER, it is now however seemingly the trend amongst her and her peers nowadays.

 

I understand wanting more promo at the time of release as well as a better setlist, however, to ask her to do repeated promo in between a very tight performance schedule when by that point the album is 5 months old is silly and impractical, as well as extremely unlikely to happen. The Montreal rescheduling was obviously not their first choice, im sure they looked around to try and find other times but venue availability plays a big big part, but it had to be done, she couldve very easily just cancelled said Montreal, but her being the people pleaser that she is, was determined to reschedule them, and she did.

 

And to say she should retire is silly. It is rather obvious to me at this point new music let alone promoting it (which shes said shes hated doing for nigh on 20 years) is absolutely not her main priority or passion. Singing and performing have always been her priority #1. And the beauty is that shes built such a legacy, such a fantastic career, that she could literally never release an album again, and yet still perform to the masses and do what she loves. Shes always been a performer, since day one, she became a recording artists years later

 

You think I want her to retire? No absolutely NOT. I think she’s a great performer, my point is...If she doesn’t want to promote her “new” music and songs then she should retire from producing new music. This current tour should’ve been marketed as a Greatest Hits Tour or “Celine live 2019-2020”. I also don’t want her to retire from making new music either, however; if she doesn’t care to sing the new songs live or promoting the new songs then she’s wasting her time, we already know the new music isn’t where the money is. And if she rather sing songs by dead people and hits from 25 years ago... then I fail to see the point. And to say it’s for us “fans” that also makes it weird when she does it for her fans but then forgets about the same fans when it comes to the setlist of shows and promotion.

[homerton]

I agree. The promotion has been silly. The first single should have been released in summer. Big push. Then release the album. Lots and lots of promo early autumn. Tour begin next year. Whole thing is a total mess resulting in the album fading away.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

You think I want her to retire? No absolutely NOT. I think she’s a great performer, my point is...If she doesn’t want to promote her “new” music and songs then she should retire from producing new music. This current tour should’ve been marketed as a Greatest Hits Tour or “Celine live 2019-2020”. I also don’t want her to retire from making new music either, however; if she doesn’t care to sing the new songs live or promoting the new songs then she’s wasting her time, we already know the new music isn’t where the money is. And if she rather sing songs by dead people and hits from 25 years ago... then I fail to see the point. And to say it’s for us “fans” that also makes it weird when she does it for her fans but then forgets about the same fans when it comes to the setlist of shows and promotion.

 

Honestly, at this point, with 27 glorious albums to listen to and ~40 years of performances to watch of said songs, I could say with confidence, if she came out tomorrow and said she was retiring from recording music but was continuing to perform as a touring artist, I cant say Id be extremely devastated, if she however came out and said she was retiring from touring/ performing? Id be devastated

[couldawouldashoulda]

Just an interesting observation that no one will want to hear. My husband and I had to rent a car and go to New Jersey this afternoon - engagement party for family - and for the drive I made a playlist with his music for the ride there and I playlist with mine for the ride home. My playlist consisted of Celine because I wanted to force him to listen to some of the new album where he couldn’t escape - LOL - it was mixed in with classic songs of hers that I know are his favorites.

 

Afterward, I asked him what he thought of the new music and his response. “I have to say I didn’t care for it. Most of the lyrics are crap and she’s autotuned to death which I don’t expect from a singer of her caliber.” Luckily, I told him that, when we see her at Barclays Center, she barely sings any of the new album - it’s mostly the hits, to which he replied, “Thank God.”

 

So there really is something to the divide between die-hard fans and casual fans (which are the largest percentage of fans buying tickets - or being forced to go with their die-hard fan partners.) I think Celine knows what she’s doing with the current set list - it’s the best thing to ensure that people keep coming back. I’m 99% sure my husband (who is 8 years older than me) is going to love the long medley of covers at the end as well since it’s all music he grew up with.

[mebe]

Just an interesting observation that no one will want to hear. My husband and I had to rent a car and go to New Jersey this afternoon - engagement party for family - and for the drive I made a playlist with his music for the ride there and I playlist with mine for the ride home. My playlist consisted of Celine because I wanted to force him to listen to some of the new album where he couldn’t escape - LOL - it was mixed in with classic songs of hers that I know are his favorites.

 

Afterward, I asked him what he thought of the new music and his response. “I have to say I didn’t care for it. Most of the lyrics are crap and she’s autotuned to death which I don’t expect from a singer of her caliber.” Luckily, I told him that, when we see her at Barclays Center, she barely sings any of the new album - it’s mostly the hits, to which he replied, “Thank God.”

 

So there really is something to the divide between die-hard fans and casual fans (which are the largest percentage of fans buying tickets - or being forced to go with their die-hard fan partners.) I think Celine knows what she’s doing with the current set list - it’s the best thing to ensure that people keep coming back. I’m 99% sure my husband (who is 8 years older than me) is going to love the long medley of covers at the end as well since it’s all music he grew up with.

You are absolutely right but im not asking for 20 songs from Courage. I guess 15 hits and 5 new songs would be the perfect balance! And I wouldn't mind if she alternated some of the songs from Courage. So during the whole tour she could maybe sing 8-9 songs from the new album.

 

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[Chantemoi]

Half the reason I want to hear her new songs live is so that we can hear her songs without the vocal effects and autotune.

[PuraVida]

 

 

You think I want her to retire? No absolutely NOT. I think she’s a great performer, my point is...If she doesn’t want to promote her “new” music and songs then she should retire from producing new music. This current tour should’ve been marketed as a Greatest Hits Tour or “Celine live 2019-2020”. I also don’t want her to retire from making new music either, however; if she doesn’t care to sing the new songs live or promoting the new songs then she’s wasting her time, we already know the new music isn’t where the money is. And if she rather sing songs by dead people and hits from 25 years ago... then I fail to see the point. And to say it’s for us “fans” that also makes it weird when she does it for her fans but then forgets about the same fans when it comes to the setlist of shows and promotion.

 

Great points. Well said. I feel like if she is going to take another 5-6 years to come out with another album, then she certainly should retire from making new music.

 

This was her chance at a later-on-in-career album...and it is a great album but It is not expanding her fan base or reminding people why is the most epic female artist.

[Robrules3]

Great points. Well said. I feel like if she is going to take another 5-6 years to come out with another album, then she certainly should retire from making new music.

 

This was her chance at a later-on-in-career album...and it is a great album but It is not expanding her fan base or reminding people why is the most epic female artist.

 

So you don't want new music because OTHER people aren't going to hear it? We're fans, the music is for us. She doesn't need to sell 5+ million copies of a new album anymore

[giannislyber]

Courage finally debuts in the Greek Album Chart (IFPI) at #42 position.

 

https://www.ifpi.gr/charts_el.html

[max24]

Courage:

 

Australia - 2-13-18-24-31-

Australia Digital - 2-19-32-?-out

Austria - 4-28-39-70-

Belgium Flanders - 3-14-13-20-20-

Belgium Wallonia - 1-5-9-8-10-

Canada - 1-2-3-6-

Canada Sales - 1-2-1-no more data

Croatia - 4-4-6-17-

Czech Republic - 11-44-out-69-

Denmark - 23-out

Finland - 13-out

Finland Physical - 5-out

France - 2-7-14-20- GOLD

France Sales - 1-5-11-?-

France Physical Sales - 2-5-11-16-

Germany - 4-30-54-66-79-

Greece - 42-

Hungary - 11-22-14-23-

Ireland - 5-19-24-27-25-

Italy - 10-71-out

Japan Oricon - 243-49-107-142-

Japan Oricon Wetern - ?-8-14-26-

Japan Billboard Hot Albums - 61-out

Japan Billboard Top Sales Albums - 41-87-out

Netherlands - 10-35-54-out

New Zealand - 5-23-25-37-33-

Norway - 16-out

Poland - 6-27-34-49-

Portugal - 5-21-36-46-

Quebec - 1-1-1-1-

Scotland - 2-11-12-12-15-

South Africa - 10-16-16-out

Spain - 11-43-70-88-

Sweden - 30-out

Switzerland - 1-8-5-8-

Switzerland Romandy - 1-11-8-

UK - 2-13-12-18-18-

UK Sales - 2-12-10-13-16-

UK Physical - 3-12-10-15-13-

UK Downloads - 3-18-45-62-90-

US Billboard 200 - 1-111-134-170-

US Top Current Albums - 1-13-13-15-

US Internet Albums - 1-13-16-17-

US Top Album Sales - 1-21-22-22-

US Digital Albums - 5-out

US Tastemaker Albums - 20-out

US Rolling Stone - 1-115-125-172-out

[ryba]

 

 

Great points. Well said. I feel like if she is going to take another 5-6 years to come out with another album, then she certainly should retire from making new music.

 

This was her chance at a later-on-in-career album...and it is a great album but It is not expanding her fan base or reminding people why is the most epic female artist.

Don‘t be silly, this is ridiculous! I rather have her releasing a new album without much promotion than not releasing anything at all. Come on! Of course it’s sad that she doesn’t pay enough attention to the new material, but she gave us a new great album, so stop talking nonsense. And maybe this little promo was Sonys strategy and something is coming in February. We don’t know. Edited December 23, 2019 at 11:18 AM by ryba

[celinesounds]

So, the artists are the one who spends money to promote..?

 

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spending money on MV does not means creativity

 

even a 100$ MV sometimes is better than a 100 000 MV

[marc-02]

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