"Courage" album - Official Topic

[JulienMcbeal]

She will have more albums for sure. At least in french. Madonna, cher and barbara still have albums consistently after few years.

 

I didn't say she won't have any more album, but wondering about Sony's invetsment and involvement in them.

Cher released a cover album and toured with only two songs from it. And she's 73.

 

You sound envious (maybe jealous)??

Do you seriously think Celine decides when the album comes out?

Obviously she wanted to start the tour early, so I would think she would have preferred the album to come out earlier. But Sony makes that decision!

And when Sony picked Nov. 15 as release date, they didn't know for sure who else would decide to release their album that same week. Some artists do surprise releases, so anything could have happened after they picked Nov. 15 (which was announced a few months earlier so nothing was set in stone).

 

Sure: Sony put a knife under Celine's throat, there were no negotiation between them and her team, and they didn't even do research, projections and stats in order to choose that release date. Heck, they probably just roll the dice unknowingly of the music industry.

[idroveallnight]

Anyone catch Wendy Williams commenting on the Courage freefall? It was really painful to watch.

 

https://youtu.be/7Ku8dIh8qbQ?t=682

Edited December 14, 2019 at 11:32 PM by idroveallnight

[Xpresso]

 

 

Sure: Sony put a knife under Celine's throat, there were no negotiation between them and her team, and they didn't even do research, projections and stats in order to choose that release date. Heck, they probably just roll the dice unknowingly of the music industry.

I'm sure they did their research and that's why they love a Celine album in November. But Celine started her tour in September regardless. So no need to put a knife under anyone's throat. Celine did her thing, Sony did theirs.

They knew when she was starting her tour, why didn't they move the release date to September then? Because the last decision is THEIRS. And they pick the singles too by the way.

[JulienMcbeal]

I'm sure they did their research and that's why they love a Celine album in November. But Celine started her tour in September regardless. So no need to put a knife under anyone's throat. Celine did her thing, Sony did theirs.

They knew when she was starting her tour, why didn't they move the release date to September then? Because the last decision is THEIRS. And they pick the singles too by the way.

 

I know they usually pick the singles... but did they this time? I'm not sure. It's not that important for a veteran act.

 

Besides, you wrote many times she should have released this album in march. If Sony really is the sole decision maker in the release date, why did you write that a few times? Isn't it just useless complain like the setlist complain, which you said many times we should stop doing since its pointless and won't change a thing?

 

I'm sure Celine could have said no to November. Sony did not force her. She's no Taylor Swift: they know sales would be 'meh' (in comparison, of course, they're good for her league). So why forcing? They came to an agreement, Celine was okay with the date.

The way Sony seemed to care about Celine for many years, I'm pretty sure they're not that decisive in release dates. They choose the one that seemed the best according to the data they had, and Celine didn't oppose. If she did, I'm sure they would have choose an other date.

Edited December 15, 2019 at 12:02 AM by JulienMcbeal

[JulienMcbeal]

PS: Didn't the tour HAD to begin earlier in order to get that bundle deal? Or It's just the tickets sales prior to the release date that count, even if the tour start after the album release?

I don't know how it works in that aspect.

[yoyoma]

PS: Didn't the tour HAD to begin earlier in order to get that bundle deal? Or It's just the tickets sales prior to the release date that count, even if the tour start after the album release?

I don't know how it works in that aspect.

 

All order counted. Not per ticket, but per order. Harry strategy is per ticket.

[Xpresso]

 

 

I know they usually pick the singles... but did they this time? I'm not sure. It's not that important for a veteran act.

 

Besides, you wrote many times she should have released this album in march. If Sony really is the sole decition maker in the release date, why did you write that a few times? Isn't it just useless complain like the setlist complain, which you said many times we should stop doing since its pointless and won't change a thing?

 

I'm sure Celine could have said no to November. Sony did not force her. She's no Taylor Swift: they know sales would be 'meh' (in comparison, of course, they're good for her league). So why forcing? They came to an agreement, Celine was okay with the date.

The way Sony seemed to care about Celine for many years, I'm pretty sure they're not that decisive in release dates. They choose the one that seemed the best according to the data they had, and Celine didn't oppose. If she did, I'm sure they would have choose an other date.

Of course they checked with her but they make the final call. They also time the album release with a movie release if she has a song in a movie, etc. They missed the boat with Deadpool though!

But with Courage, they could have timed it with the start of the Courage tour but they didn't. They still preferred November, thinking she still sells more around Xmas time...

Edited December 15, 2019 at 12:03 AM by Xpresso

[beelee]

Standard version of Courage is on sale on iTunes Canada for $7.99. I hope this will help sell some more copies!

[PuraVida]

Anyone catch Wendy Williams commenting on the Courage freefall? It was really painful to watch.

 

https://youtu.be/7Ku8dIh8qbQ?t=682

 

Ouch! Well, that’s definitely the wrong message to send to Céline to stick to her old music. Because she already does that too much! And it encourages age-ism.

 

The message should be to promote. But of course Wendy has to present a coherent gossip story bringing in Pepe. I mean, if Pepe was behind the lack of promo...then yes!

[Del]

Anyone catch Wendy Williams commenting on the Courage freefall? It was really painful to watch.

 

https://youtu.be/7Ku8dIh8qbQ?t=682

I don't watch her show but a friend of mine asked me what was going on with Céline after seeing the spectacle Wendy made on her show. I just told her not to pay attention to that foolishness. Haha. If she thinks using her show to put others down she needs to re-think her strategy as Karma will come around.

 

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Edited December 15, 2019 at 02:43 AM by Del

[PuraVida]

I don't watch her show but a friend of mine asked me what was going on with Céline after seeing the spectacle Wendy made on her show. I just told her not to pay attention to that foolishness. Haha. If she thinks using her show to put others down she needs to re-think her strategy as Karma will come around.

 

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I mean, Wendy has been very complimentary of Céline in the past.

 

 

[Celine Fan 77]

Ouch! Well, that's definitely the wrong message to send to Céline to stick to her old music. Because she already does that too much! And it encourages age-ism.

 

Yeah, totally! The first thing I imagined was Celine sitting in front of her and answering "You mean I can't evolve?".

[ryba]

Anyone catch Wendy Williams commenting on the Courage freefall? It was really painful to watch.

 

https://youtu.be/7Ku8dIh8qbQ?t=682

thats a stupid segment unfortunately. Bad for Celine, and for us fans, since she reinforced the idea that only her old songs matter, and this reassured her team that this is the general opinion (which I don’t agree with).

Moreover, instead of talking about a free fall, she should have mentioned the absolute lack of promo that caused the chart drop

Edited December 15, 2019 at 11:43 AM by ryba

[Ajax]

Yes she should have begun buy saying that she basically did no promo, and that s it. If only she would have presented her album with some live performances then we could have discuss if yes or no people are ready or like her new material.

 

Btw how is this woman still on TV ? Wasn’t she supposed to be on drugs/rehab/in court ? I mean.

[JulienMcbeal]

I don't understand how people can blame Pepe for the "underperforming" album charts-wise or the lack of promo.

As if he had anything to do with it!

We complained about promo for years before he arrives in the picture, but I'm sure he was already responsible for it with psychic powers. Or maybe he's the secret CEO of Sony? Owns Spotify and Youtube?

 

Well, he's obviously part of that illiminati satanistic conspiracy which brought us Celinununu.

Maybe he was the first person to offer a pill & booze cocktail to Liza Minelli? Prevent the Tonys to award Barbra?

 

People...

Edited December 15, 2019 at 01:38 PM by JulienMcbeal

[Ajax]

Exactly. And the only field were he is supposed to be part of : fashion and maybe some art direction for videos, is where the magic happen. So that’s a big non sense.

 

And didn’t a member here said that she was supposed to go to UK for some promo as well as more US TV shows? It looks like with the Montreal show rescheduled they canceled everything at the last minute and somehow Celine doesn’t want to make promo so far. This is it nor Sony or Pepe’s fault.

 

[homerton]

Pepe is a dreadful influence. This album promotion is terrible. Celine is to blame. Why else sing covers and mime hits on tour. When was the last time power of love was sung live. Maybe twenty years ago. Scrap it or don’t mime

[Tom_London_Fan]

Wendy Williams is so nauseating. She’s made a living out of gossip, rumours and scandal, usually untrue. She spends a lot of her time dragging other females down...and expects the world to have sympathy for her own addictions and problems. She has a very ill-spirited vibe and her audience aren’t much better. She could fart and they would clap and nod. Yuck.

 

Celine’s always been above all the crap, probably would never bother her in the slightest.

[superstar85ca]

Omg I just watched Wendy William's comments about Celine. I wasnt going to but then I said it cant be that bad. I was wrong. It is much worst. That is the most hateful thing I've ever heard from a grown woman on tv. What a *CENSORED*!!! So smug and plain evil!!! Ugh we had a wave of really good press about celine I guess it was inevitable that people would start turning on her like this! It's such a weird time - she is in the media all the time for commercials and her tour yet her album is also in the media for flopping. It's so bizarre! Edited December 15, 2019 at 04:54 PM by superstar85ca

[jpatdeleon09]

Wendy is always like that. Have you seen her bash mariah so bad? I’m enjoying it lol jk Edited December 15, 2019 at 05:53 PM by jpatdeleon09

[LukeD]

Wendy Williams basically saying Celine should stop releasing new music. Man, this era is getting better and better.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Wendy Williams can’t be taken seriously. She has been an addict for years and when she falls, she wants sympathy. Then she gets back up and starts judging people. She’s a total aśshole.

[Bruno Portugal]

The success formula they used in the 1990s no longer works. Sony Music has successively postponed the release of the Courage album to enjoy the Christmas season and this is the sad result...

 

If the album had been released in August or September it would have been much more prominent, Celine would have time to promote it and would be eligible for the next awards season.

 

Now we have an amazing album, in my opinion the best since FIY, which is set to become the biggest flop of Celine Dion's career.

Edited December 15, 2019 at 06:43 PM by Bruno Portugal

[mebe]

thats a stupid segment unfortunately. Bad for Celine, and for us fans, since she reinforced the idea that only her old songs matter, and this reassured her team that this is the general opinion (which I dont agree with).

Moreover, instead of talking about a free fall, she should have mentioned the absolute lack of promo that caused the chart drop

Not only its a stupid segment, its a stupid show! Lol This whole clapping thing is ridiculous!

 

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[incognito]

Wendy Williams can’t be taken seriously. She has been an addict for years and when she falls, she wants sympathy. Then she gets back up and starts judging people. She’s a total aśshole.

 

Yes. Why do we care what gutter, trash thinks? (And by that I am not judging her addiction - that’s a legitimate disability. But her being a nasty, a****** is just her personality. She can choke)

[Davey84]

Pepe is a dreadful influence. This album promotion is terrible. Celine is to blame. Why else sing covers and mime hits on tour. When was the last time power of love was sung live. Maybe twenty years ago. Scrap it or don’t mime

I think she sings the covers on tour cos she didnt record any on the album... there has to be an equilibrium somehow!

 

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[Taking Chances]

thats a stupid segment unfortunately. Bad for Celine, and for us fans, since she reinforced the idea that only her old songs matter, and this reassured her team that this is the general opinion (which I don't agree with).

Moreover, instead of talking about a free fall, she should have mentioned the absolute lack of promo that caused the chart drop

 

I've been watching Wendy off and on for a while and at least Wendy is consistent with her "we don't want new music from older artists" crap. She says that about everybody. I feel that is just Wendy being old and set in her ways and I've always found that to be so stupid, but she revels in scandal and never in good things, and that's the gist of her show. She could have said something about Celine when she debuted on nr1, but she didn't. It wasn't before there was a negative story to tell she mentions her, and they probably made an effort to chose bad pictures of her as well. They even flipped the album cover. I never expect professionalism from Wendy, and it's hardly a show one watches for facts. I think everyone knows that.

 

That whole Pepe angle is so annoying to listen to as well.

 

It's not like it matters though. Celine isn't gonna magically wake up one day and only want to sing her new songs. She seems pretty set in her ways. But this is what she gets for doing ZERO promotion, which of course Wendy didn't mention.

Edited December 15, 2019 at 08:03 PM by Taking Chances

[LukeD]

The success formula they used in the 1990s no longer works. Sony Music has successively postponed the release of the Courage album to enjoy the Christmas season and this is the sad result...

 

If the album had been released in August or September it would have been much more prominent, Celine would have time to promote it and would be eligible for the next awards season.

 

Now we have an amazing album, in my opinion the best since FIY, which is set to become the biggest flop of Celine Dion's career.

I do not think lack of promotion is due to Celine not having the time. She just does not care anymore. There was 0 passion in her interviews. However, I agree that things would have been better had she released Courage earlier this year. It is the worst thing not to promote in November because everyone releases new albums. Edited December 15, 2019 at 08:26 PM by LukeD

[comingback]

The success formula they used in the 1990s no longer works. Sony Music has successively postponed the release of the Courage album to enjoy the Christmas season and this is the sad result...

 

If the album had been released in August or September it would have been much more prominent, Celine would have time to promote it and would be eligible for the next awards season.

 

Now we have an amazing album, in my opinion the best since FIY, which is set to become the biggest flop of Celine Dion's career.

 

Yes, if they had re-released TAST with some new songs, it would have sold better than Courage, Sad but true.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBkALf5LxI&list=PLMH875V2W_s0__BpaF9ptgcWSC_daGndW

Edited December 15, 2019 at 08:56 PM by comingback

[homerton]

Celine has become lazier. I’ve been a fan but I’m

Loosing faith. It is like she can not be bothered just wants the cash.