"Courage" album - Official Topic

[DionFanAlways]

BACK AND FORTH WE SLOWLY LOSE OUR MIIIINDS....LOOK AT US NOW! A BROKEN FORUM ON THE GROOOUferrrerrrrverrrOUND

[Celine Fan 77]

Céline Dion is that artist who sings songs from her new album before it's out. But nearly doesn't sing them anymore when it's out.

 

Nobody's Watching - Met Gala - May 1, 2017 (00:50)

 

 

Lying Down - 70th Anniversary of Dior Couture - August 5, 2017 (00:32)

 

 

Flying On My Own - Backstage in Sydney - August 11, 2018 (06:58)

 

 

Courage - Jimmy Kimmel Live! - April 6, 2019 (03:14)

 

 

Look At Us Now - Carpool Karaoke - May 21, 2019 (01:23)

 

 

I Will Be Stronger (Half first line only) - Carpool Karaoke - May 21, 2019 (01:45)

 

[sarit_celine]

Céline Dion is that artist who sings songs from her new album before it's out. But nearly doesn't sing them anymore when it's out.

 

Nobody's Watching - Met Gala - May 1, 2017 (00:50)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHwH8R9pLQ

 

Lying Down - 70th Anniversary of Dior Couture - August 5, 2017 (00:32)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8zJC4YQrxs

 

Flying On My Own - Backstage in Sydney - August 11, 2018 (06:58)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MDKscfyvU

 

Courage - Jimmy Kimmel Live! - April 6, 2019 (03:14)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwSWzOdUzFU

 

Look At Us Now - Carpool Karaoke - May 21, 2019 (01:23)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUURLFnr9k

 

I Will Be Stronger (Half first line only) - Carpool Karaoke - May 21, 2019 (01:45)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUURLFnr9k

 

She will have two festivals if I'm not wrong, and there she can improvise her new songs, in jazz versions

Yes, I love to dream somtimes

[Xpresso]

Well she is a few years ahead of us. Hopefully soon she will start singing some parts of new French songs while walking around.

[DionFanAlways]

Well she is a few years ahead of us. Hopefully soon she will start singing some parts of new French songs while walking around.

It wouldn’t surprise me lol!

[québecflower]

Well she is a few years ahead of us. Hopefully soon she will start singing some parts of new French songs while walking around.

another Si c'était à refaire please....

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

 

"We should be celebrating". So now YOU're the one allowing what people can do on this forum?

What about letting people say what they want to say?

They can rave about the beauty of this album for pages if they want to.

They can blame the setlist for pages if they want to.

They can nitpick on adds if they want to.

They can say what they freakin' want!!!!!

Stop bullying people into talking only about what YOU want to read. (i say "you" cause I respond to your post, but it goes for everyone here who schools members into what they want to read).

 

Besides, that's particularly hypocritical. You say people should focus on what's more important in their life. And yet, you're here complaining about people complaining.... :hmm:Isn't hugging your love one more important than scolding forum members who act in a way you don't like? Not very logical. Don't waste your time with their post, focus on what interests you. Why bother and take some time from your beautiful life?

No need to say F*** to people, talk about their a**h*les or say they should go to a therapist. That's disrespectful and it's not a cry for peace at all, which I believe was your intent - that's why I decided to point out the discrepancy between what you claim and what you do.

 

You say you might be done with this forum. So if it is the case, quit it and move on. If it is not the case, keep coming here and focus on things you like and are interested in.

To paraphrase you: "If you're so unhappy with the current (forum setting), (close) your damned (browser) and don't go to the (forum). If you hate what's happening, and you go to the (forum) anyway; then you are simply SEARCHING for something to complain about. People like you tend to just like the sound of their own voice".

So again, focus on what's more important in your life: what people write here is not imporant.

 

 

" I will state my opinion and move on, and I'm not going to sit here and incessantly point out her shortcomings."

So now that you stated your oppinion, I guess you will move on and are not about to point out the other members' shortcomings? Thank you.

 

I thought I wasn't particularly clever by just skipping the subjects, discussions, arguings that I don't care about. I already said I don't think we need a PhD to ignore some posts while letting people talking about it if they want (whether it's continously praise Celine's doings like she was a unicorn or always nitpicking on the same setlist problem which won't change a thing); but apparently, it seems like we do.

 

Stop policing people into saying what you want them to say and not allowing them to complain or praise. It's a forum, we discuss.

And yes, I am aware I'm just doing the exact thing here!

I'm just fed up with bullys who want to control the narative. Let people be happy, let them be angry, let them be delusional, let them be bitter, let them critisize small unimportant things, let them focus on charts position, let them amaze at her voice on tour, let them blame the tour arrangement, let them praise the celinaissance.

Live and let live.

 

Just to get my point across for my reply to you; I’m all about people having an opinion. I say that all the time. I have been relatively quiet since the release of the album, mainly because any lucid or positive post gets lost in the mix of trolls and negativity. Most of the posts that could spark intelligent conversation go unnoticed because of people spamming the forum with the same exact bullshit every time they post. Pages and pages of hate and vitriol to scroll through to get to one or two posts that are actually relatable. I’d finally had enough and I said my peace.

 

I didn’t single anyone out specifically, but if specific people are offended by my post, then there must be some truth to it and they probably feel singled out. That’s not on me. That’s on them.

[joaofilho]

I just hope your team has been able to book a place for her to sing at the Grammy 2020, it will be on January 26th and she has no show.

[AdrienneM]

I just hope your team has been able to book a place for her to sing at the Grammy 2020, it will be on January 26th and she has no show.

 

I doubt it. SO many artists only perform if they’re nominated.

[Cuquito]

This is a Forum not a Cult. I think we are allowed to share our opinions whatever they might be. Always in a respectful way.

 

I personally love her album and that’s why I complain a little about her singing the same old songs all the time instead of singing other stuff.

[Chantemoi]

This is a Forum not a Cult. I think we are allowed to share our opinions whatever they might be. Always in a respectful way.

 

I personally love her album and that’s why I complain a little about her singing the same old songs all the time instead of singing other stuff.

 

As clearly stated in previous posts, that’s not the issue.

The issue is particular members repeating over, and over, and over again the same exact complaints. You don’t have to have a positive opinion of everything, but when all people do is gripe about things — things out of our control— the forum becomes unbearably negative.

[giannislyber]

Courage falls to #150 on the current Rolling Stone 200 with 4,5k album units sold.

[ordinary fan]

I think everyone can relate to the great feeling one gets, when non or not really Celine fans love Celine's songs. Through me, my whole family knows about Celine's new music at the day it's released. And the best thing is they always really love one song from an album atleast. For example from Sans Attendre, my parents love PAMP and le miracle, my sister loves QPVSA. From LMBTL, my parents love LMBTL, my sister loves Incredible. From EUS, my parents love Encore un soir and À la plus haute branche, and from Courage, my parents absolutely love Boundaries, The chase and Baby. My sister really love say yes and boundaries just wanted to share this with you,

something positive

Edited December 5, 2019 at 07:56 PM by ordinary fan

[yoyoma]

Courage falls to #150 on the current Rolling Stone 200 with 4,5k album units sold.

It was 174 yesterday. So abit of improvement. If it maintains, it may be back to top 100

[superstar85ca]

Celines team: releases 3 new songs from the album - 6 months later releases 1 video for same song. Oh my I wish we could be in charge for a month or so guys!!! Lol. Anyway I think this new Instagram commercial is awesome and very tongue in cheek for celine - plus it is pushing aside the Forbes article that mentions the album dropping in Billboard. So good publicity is good enough for me!! I'm still finding mostly good articles on Courage, that it is still doing well on various charts and how the Celineassiance is in full force! I love this album and gonna blast it in my car on my way home from work!!

[ryba]

I wish Celine would do a full album with Stephan Moccio (or at least more than just 2 or 3 songs). I really like his style. The piano and the sound overall are so rich and beautiful. His songs really are magical and well produced. Edited December 5, 2019 at 09:10 PM by ryba

[stone]

Imagine all the people living in a world of peace, yoohoo! you may say I'm delusional...

[couldawouldashoulda]

I think everyone can relate to the great feeling one gets, when non or not really Celine fans love Celine's songs. Through me, my whole family knows about Celine's new music at the day it's released. And the best thing is they always really love one song from an album atleast. For example from Sans Attendre, my parents love PAMP and le miracle, my sister loves QPVSA. From LMBTL, my parents love LMBTL, my sister loves Incredible. From EUS, my parents love Encore un soir and À la plus haute branche, and from Courage, my parents absolutely love Boundaries, The chase and Baby. My sister really love say yes and boundaries just wanted to share this with you,

something positive

 

This is something that has always baffled me. So I’m going to explain myself and ask a serious question - not being snarky. No, I can’t relate with you about the great feeling I get when non or not really Celine fans love Celine’s songs. I could not care less if anyone else likes her or not. I’ve been a fan of hers since the first time I heard her sing (Where Does My Heart Beat Now video that was a commercial introducing new singers before the movie The Prince of Tides) in 1991. I’ve loved her ever since then. LOVED HER. There was at least a decade where I didn’t listen to anyone else’s music besides hers. (Then she stopped releasing albums but every 6 years and I had to find different music.)

 

Everyone I knew and I mean EVERYONE I knew, and still know, HATES her, thinks she’s a joke - the beating of the chest, the overwrought lyrics - they think she can’t really sing - she strains too hard. All I’ve heard my entire life is how much people can’t stand Celine Dion. But that didn’t affect me or change my mind. I loved her voice. I love hearing her sing. And one of the greatest pleasures of my life is being second row at a concert and experiencing her live (no matter what songs she’s singing.) I don’t enjoy Beyoncé. I don’t enjoy Blue Bloods. I don’t enjoy movies. I don’t enjoy rap. Do you think my friends who do like those things care at all whether or not I enjoy those things? No. It means nothing to them.

 

So my serious question is: Can someone please explain to me why it matters whether or not other people like Celine. You don’t know her. She’s not your friend. She’s not your sister. She’s not your aunt. She’s not your wife. She’s a singer that you like. What does it really matter whether or not her album is #1 or # 100? What does it really matter whether or not she’s loved by masses of people (which she is - even though I don’t personally know any of them.) And I’m seriously asking - since I couldn’t care less about what anyone else thinks of her - I’m just going to love listening to her music (practically every day) - why is it such a big deal to some of you how her album sells or what other people think of her?

 

Not singing new music in a concert - I get that. I get that disappointment. It doesn’t bother me personally but I can understand how you’d want to go to a concert of your favorite artist who just released a 20 track album and hear more than 2 tracks. I came to terms (a long time ago - around the time ANDHC was out and she only sang, I think, 3 songs from that album in concert?) with the fact that Celine is a “greatest hits” performer. I saw Cher last night. She only sang 16 songs - all but 2 of them hits - and those 2 were very famous ABBA songs (so covers) which were on her new album.

 

The actor/therapist in me is curious: why do you feel the need for other people to like Celine Dion? Does it actually change your enjoyment of her? And why are you disappointed when an album (like LMBTL) doesn’t go #1 or, in the case of Courage, does goes to #1 but drops dramatically the next week?

[LukeD]

I'm too lazy today to quote you sarit_celine. My comment about Javito was just a joke, I'm sometimes sarcastic but I was never intending to attack Javito in anyway. That said, I find it really sad that a troll from lambly lands comes to call Celine a flop, to say she is over, to call Courage a dull and stupid album and then see the only person liking his comments is Javito. I find it hard to believe a real Celine fan could like comments like these. So no, I don't regret my comment at all.

Thank you for explaining this.

"We should be celebrating". So now YOU're the one allowing what people can do on this forum?

What about letting people say what they want to say?

They can rave about the beauty of this album for pages if they want to.

They can blame the setlist for pages if they want to.

They can nitpick on adds if they want to.

They can say what they freakin' want!!!!!

I agree with your post. I think people should be saying what they want to say and others should be free to comment on that. Personally, it bothers me when people ask members to take things to PMs as if they cannot scroll through discussions. That said, I do not think CelinesDIVO5 is here to bully anyone. He is a good person. Edited December 5, 2019 at 10:55 PM by LukeD

[smw]

If there’s post after post after post that has nothing to do with the topic in which you’re posting — it makes perfect sense to me to take it to private messages vs everyone else having to scroll past unrelated, repetitive comments.

 

If it’s Celine content you’re posting, go ahead!

[LukeD]

So my serious question is: Can someone please explain to me why it matters whether or not other people like Celine. You don’t know her. She’s not your friend. She’s not your sister. She’s not your aunt. She’s not your wife. She’s a singer that you like. What does it really matter whether or not her album is #1 or # 100? What does it really matter whether or not she’s loved by masses of people?

The answer to this question is very clear to me. It comes down to feelings of inadequacy. Fans who are not happy with aspects of their lives tend to project that on their idols. They hope the success and love of their idols will be their own success. Their own love. It works as a way of defining who you are. The weaker you are, the more you project. The more you demand. You do not really demand things for your idol. You demand things for yourself. You are hoping to feel what it means to be successful and loved. And the idol works as a conduit through which you experience these needed emotions.

 

I do not mean to offend anyone by outlining all this. It is something that I have actually identified in my past. When I was in a bad place back in my early 20s, this is when my crazy fandom for Celine was at its peak. I am feeling sorry for those people who said something negative about her online and whose comments I read. Cause they did get a fiery response from me. And I cared about charts and sales so much. I wanted her to be successful. What I really wanted was myself to be successful. I needed an identity really. Once I made actual progress in my personal and professional life I really stopped caring about all that. This is one of the reasons why I did leave this forum for over 2 years, despite being a very active member before. I am back now because Celine has new music out that I love and because she is touring. I am here for this. I do not care about her sales. I do not care if she flops. What I care about is making the most of my experience of being her fan. Which is why my critiques relate to her ignoring her new music. I have also complained about lack of promo (evidenced by average chart performance) but this is because I think this approach might have an impact upon how much music we get from her in the future. It is about music now really.

 

Hope I answered your question - just my two cents.

[LukeD]

If there's post after post after post that has nothing to do with the topic in which you're posting — it makes perfect sense to me to take it to private messages vs everyone else having to scroll past unrelated, repetitive comments.

 

If it's Celine content you're posting, go ahead!

Most things have got to do with the topic. Even arguments among members since what initiates these arguments are things that were said in relation to the album. And I do think it takes less than a second to understand the content of each of post. It is scrolling - you are not conducting a literature review.

[Chantemoi]

Personally, it bothers me when people ask members to take things to PMs as if they cannot scroll through discussions.

 

To me, it’s equivalent to arguing in public. If you were out to dinner, or something like that, and you’re trying to have a conversation with your friends, but you can’t hear them because a couple at the table next over is shouting so loudly that no one else can hear themselves think.... would you ask them to take their argument outside?? Perhaps you would not, but I certainly would!

 

Not because I’m the most important person in the room, but because I care about the comfort and enjoyment of those around me. I guess that’s the product of working in the hospitality industry my whole life, where consideration of others — not self — comes first.

 

 

P.S. I do 100% agree with your post about others projecting/compensating. I think we’ve all been guilty of that at one time or another!

Edited December 5, 2019 at 11:45 PM by Chantemoi

[neil1981]

Nobody's Watching - Met Gala - May 1, 2017 (00:50)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHwH8R9pLQ

 

Does anyone know what the song at the start of this is?

 

"Freeze you out / My heart is melting...."

 

It's annoying me as I was only thinking of this clip the other day.

[smw]

I would just looooooove a making of the Courage album video. I doubt we’ll get one — since it was created over multiple years. But it’d be so nice to see how it all came together.

 

[superstar85ca]

I love this album still. I dont care that it dropped drastically from the Billboard 200. Big deal. I dont need validation from anyone that Celine did a fantastic job on this album. I dont need critics or milennials to tell me what is good. Could the PR have been handled a bit better? Sure. But celine is all over the place still and isnt that the idea of having a number 1 album in the first place? Exposure and love of her- all of what she is getting even without Courage being at the number 1 spot. I listened to the album on my drive home from work and I sang the whole time. It is the ultimate sing along album!!!

[Your_Su_Phu]

Um yall important announcement:

 

Hayley williams from paramore was spotted wearing a courage tshirt

 

Celine’s cross-genre, cross-generational IMPACT truly knows no bounds

 

 

Between this and brandi carlile commenting months back on a sam smith IG post that she used to be obsessed with the FIY album, it further proves the fact that if you’re a young female Vocalist (with a capital v), regardless of your genre you probably stanned for Celine at one point

[couldawouldashoulda]

The answer to this question is very clear to me. It comes down to feelings of inadequacy. Fans who are not happy with aspects of their lives tend to project that on their idols. They hope the success and love of their idols will be their own success. Their own love. It works as a way of defining who you are. The weaker you are, the more you project. The more you demand. You do not really demand things for your idol. You demand things for yourself. You are hoping to feel what it means to be successful and loved. And the idol works as a conduit through which you experience these needed emotions.

 

I do not mean to offend anyone by outlining all this. It is something that I have actually identified in my past. When I was in a bad place back in my early 20s, this is when my crazy fandom for Celine was at its peak. I am feeling sorry for those people who said something negative about her online and whose comments I read. Cause they did get a fiery response from me. And I cared about charts and sales so much. I wanted her to be successful. What I really wanted was myself to be successful. I needed an identity really. Once I made actual progress in my personal and professional life I really stopped caring about all that. This is one of the reasons why I did leave this forum for over 2 years, despite being a very active member before. I am back now because Celine has new music out that I love and because she is touring. I am here for this. I do not care about her sales. I do not care if she flops. What I care about is making the most of my experience of being her fan. Which is why my critiques relate to her ignoring her new music. I have also complained about lack of promo (evidenced by average chart performance) but this is because I think this approach might have an impact upon how much music we get from her in the future. It is about music now really.

 

Hope I answered your question - just my two cents.

 

Thanks so much, Luke, for your response. I think it was excellently and tactfully stated. And it makes a lot of sense to me. I’m someone who has a “moderately successful” life. I’ve been blessed to make a living doing what I love. I’m not a star or a millionaire but I’ve worked constantly and made enough to make a decent enough living so I’ve not had to try to live life vicariously through someone else. As I look back in my teenage and early 20s years, I can remember that feeling though. I had forgotten what that was like and I thank you for the reminder. It helps me to understand and have empathy for others.

 

And I totally get the frustration of her ignoring the new music. I know there’s nothing I can do to change that and so I made peace it with a while back. Also, it’s interesting...I was 3rd row at Madison Square Garden last night for Cher’s tour. I’m not a huge fan by any means, it was more of a bucket list item. I had a great time - she puts on an over-the-top show with so many costume changes that I lost count, lots of dancers, high energy. And she wasn’t phoning it in - she was having a blast going from one side of the stage to the other with a huge smile on her face. However, it was nothing at all to me like being 2nd row at BST and in Quebec City seeing Celine. I don’t know why I receive so much pleasure from her but I do. And as much as I want to hear some of the tracks off of Courage live (many, of which, don’t sound difficult to sing - Say Yes, Nobody’s Watching, Falling In Love again come to mind,) the fact of the matter is that when I’m second row and Celine is right there, it doesn’t matter to me what she sings. I’m in heaven.

[rhapsodion]

Nobody's Watching - Met Gala - May 1, 2017 (00:50)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHwH8R9pLQ

 

Does anyone know what the song at the start of this is?

 

"Freeze you out / My heart is melting...."

 

It's annoying me as I was only thinking of this clip the other day.

 

I think it is Sia's Freeze you out.

[aliceshields]

Oh dear I love these

 

Céline Dion is that artist who sings songs from her new album before it's out. But nearly doesn't sing them anymore when it's out.

 

Nobody's Watching - Met Gala - May 1, 2017 (00:50)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHwH8R9pLQ

 

Lying Down - 70th Anniversary of Dior Couture - August 5, 2017 (00:32)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8zJC4YQrxs

 

Flying On My Own - Backstage in Sydney - August 11, 2018 (06:58)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MDKscfyvU

 

Courage - Jimmy Kimmel Live! - April 6, 2019 (03:14)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwSWzOdUzFU

 

Look At Us Now - Carpool Karaoke - May 21, 2019 (01:23)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUURLFnr9k

 

I Will Be Stronger (Half first line only) - Carpool Karaoke - May 21, 2019 (01:45)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUURLFnr9k