"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Hand of the Queen]

There's nothing wrong with wanting new material. There's just a tone that gets set when people start things off "SHE BETTER..." It just comes off a little demanding. I didn't mean to offend you. I agree with you on what collaborations do, I just don't think she needs that right now. I would love just a full album of only Celine right now. This album should really be about her strength and perseverance after all she's been through the past year and a half (2 years by the time the album is released). A strong, emotional album, with Celine telling her story. I think that's most important right now.

 

 

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You're right, telling her story is most important. I would love to have an album of pure Celine too, in a perfect world she'd release an album full of songs that she co-wrote with just one or two other song writers and have one person produce the whole thing (not Gatica or Price). That to me would be the ideal way to tell her story. But if you want to talk about making hits and generating numbers then it's highly unlikely in todays musical climate that she would get very far on her own. I worship this woman so no disrespect but Celine isn't seen as cool to the younger generation, most people only care about her when she performs at award shows and could care less about her new material. We live in a very agist and sexist society and women who once ruled the charts now get very little respect from the younger generation. I guess my point is if we want to see Celine triumph and get the recognition she deserves, she'll have to collab with a younger more current artist. Or if she wants to release an album of songs with only her that's fine too, but it's highly unlikely that she'll make it to the top on her own, we can't have it both ways.

[celinesounds]

I'd love a song written by LP on next album

[CelinesDIVO5]

You're right, telling her story is most important. I would love to have an album of pure Celine too, in a perfect world she'd release an album full of songs that she co-wrote with just one or two other song writers and have one person produce the whole thing (not Gatica or Price). That to me would be the ideal way to tell her story. But if you want to talk about making hits and generating numbers then it's highly unlikely in todays musical climate that she would get very far on her own. I worship this woman so no disrespect but Celine isn't seen as cool to the younger generation, most people only care about her when she performs at award shows and could care less about her new material. We live in a very agist and sexist society and women who once ruled the charts now get very little respect from the younger generation. I guess my point is if we want to see Celine triumph and get the recognition she deserves, she'll have to collab with a younger more current artist. Or if she wants to release an album of songs with only her that's fine too, but it's highly unlikely that she'll make it to the top on her own, we can't have it both ways.

 

She has gotten the recognition she deserves. 5 Grammys and countless other awards, not to mention her sales. Since the beginning, she has lived by the mantra that you don't want a hit, you want a career. Having hits is the icing on the cake.

[Hand of the Queen]

She has gotten the recognition she deserves. 5 Grammys and countless other awards, not to mention her sales. Since the beginning, she has lived by the mantra that you don't want a hit, you want a career. Having hits is the icing on the cake.

Her awards and sales are definitely nothing to sneeze at, but from what I've seen she's still highly underrated in the music industry despite the fact that she's one of the best selling artists of all time. There's a significant amount of people who don't even put her on the same level as Mariah and Whitney even though she outsold them both and is the only one of the three who maintained her voice over the years. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what kind of numbers she generates, but personally I would still love to see her stick it to the naysayers with a hit song and album. B)

[celine4evauk]

Her awards and sales are definitely nothing to sneeze at, but from what I've seen she's still highly underrated in the music industry despite the fact that she's one of the best selling artists of all time. There's a significant amount of people who don't even put her on the same level as Mariah and Whitney even though she outsold them both and is the only one of the three who maintained her voice over the years. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what kind of numbers she generates, but personally I would still love to see her stick it to the naysayers with a hit song and album. B)

 

Who doesn't put her alongside Mariah and Whitney?

[Xpresso]

Her tour before releasing the French album worked very well based on the chart success. So touring before the English album might also do wonders. We will see!! It's a different strategy and it has its merits... Even if she tours AFTER the album is released, she wouldn't sing many of the new songs anyway...

[CelinesDIVO5]

Her awards and sales are definitely nothing to sneeze at, but from what I've seen she's still highly underrated in the music industry despite the fact that she's one of the best selling artists of all time. There's a significant amount of people who don't even put her on the same level as Mariah and Whitney even though she outsold them both and is the only one of the three who maintained her voice over the years. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what kind of numbers she generates, but personally I would still love to see her stick it to the naysayers with a hit song and album. B)

 

I have to disagree. Celine is still very much in demand. Not only by the public, which can still be seen by the constant sold out shows, but also by how often she's asked to perform outside of her own shows. She's well respected. Who do they always come to, to honor those who have passed away? Certainly not Mariah. How often does Celine perform as the headlining guest on other people's television specials? She's right where she needs to be in terms of being in demand and commanding respect. I think she's doing great!

Edited May 10, 2017 at 07:58 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[isurrender]

Sia has collaborated on next Aguilera's album as well.

 

Since they both will be released in the same time-frame (within the next year), I won't help myself comparing 🙁 ( and I'm sure I won't be the only one on the pop planet)

 

Sia has - to me as least- written the best ballads for someone else for Aguilera.

 

Deepful, haunting, sad or strong, about different topics... they are true jewels.

 

And well, I think that sometimes Céline didn't get the best from the collaborations she did. Dianne Warren's last song for Céline or Ne-yo's are the proofs.

They did better for others.

 

So I hope this time Celine will get the best!

[HushNow]

Sia has collaborated on next Aguilera's album as well.

 

Since they both will be released in the same time-frame (within the next year), I won't help myself comparing ( and I'm sure I won't be the only one on the pop planet)

 

Sia has - to me as least- written the best ballads for someone else for Aguilera.

 

Deepful, haunting, sad or strong, about different topics... they are true jewels.

 

And well, I think that sometimes Céline didn't get the best from the collaborations she did. Dianne Warren's last song for Céline or Ne-yo's are the proofs.

They did better for others.

 

So I hope this time Celine will get the best!

 

You're so right..

[Javito]

Sia has collaborated on next Aguilera's album as well.

 

Since they both will be released in the same time-frame (within the next year), I won't help myself comparing �� ( and I'm sure I won't be the only one on the pop planet)

 

Sia has - to me as least- written the best ballads for someone else for Aguilera.

 

Deepful, haunting, sad or strong, about different topics... they are true jewels.

 

And well, I think that sometimes Céline didn't get the best from the collaborations she did. Dianne Warren's last song for Céline or Ne-yo's are the proofs.

They did better for others.

 

So I hope this time Celine will get the best!

 

Probably that's because Christina Aguilera is a songwriter herself and she knows exactly what she wants and won't take whatever shitty song they send to her (be it written by Sia or aunt Rose), unlike our Celine

 

The overall feeling with Céline's LMBTL album is that they were all desperately in need for songs and time was running out and they accepted whatever mediocre song she was sent from anyone, including stupid/nosense covers and controversial disputes (Daniel Merriweather) in between

 

I really hope this does not happen again.

Edited May 11, 2017 at 11:59 AM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

Christina Aguilera hasn't had a hit album in years. Songwriter or not, she's been choosing crappy songs. "Bionic" and "Lotus" were disasters. Each of those albums have sold in total, what first week sales should be, in the US. The public lost interest in her a long time ago. Edited May 11, 2017 at 12:02 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Javito]

Christina Aguilera hasn't had a hit album in years. Songwriter or not, she's been choosing crappy songs. "Bionic" and "Lotus" were disasters. Each of those albums have sold in total, what first week sales should be, in the US. The public lost interest in her a long time ago.

 

Wish Céline for her LMTL album to be half as good as Christina's "unsucessful" Bionic album, and with half as "crappy" songs as in there!

 

Really, I'm not a fan of Christina, but I have listened to that album and Celine would have begged to have half the catchy, infectious tunes and witty and intelligent texts that Christina had on that album for either her LMBTL album (or even for Taking Chances!)

 

Just because a big name doesn't get a hit album anymore today, that doesn't mean it's a bad album at all.

Edited May 11, 2017 at 12:17 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Wish Céline for her LMTL album to be half as good as Christina's "unsucessful" Bionic album, and with half as "crappy" songs as in there!

 

Really, I'm not a fan of Christina, but I have listened to that album and Celine would have begged to have half the catchy, infectious tunes and witty and intelligent texts that Christina had on that album for either her LMBTL album (or even for Taking Chances!)

 

Just because a big name doesn't get a hit album anymore today, that doesn't mean it's a bad album at all.

 

I thought "Lotus" was just ok. A few good songs on it. "Bionic" in my opinion, was tragic to the ears. I also came to dislike Christina's personality as I watched her as a coach on "The Voice." And I am certain that I'm not the only one who feels the latter.

 

Her live performances have become painful as well. She's got one volume, and it's just loud. The same obnoxious run, over and over again. Christina just doesn't use the color in her voice anymore. It's all about vocal acrobatics and who can scream the loudest with her.

[Hand of the Queen]

Who doesn't put her alongside Mariah and Whitney?

You'd be surprised how often Mariah and Whitney get placed higher on "best of" lists than Celine. Maybe I just happen to find the lists that do this but I feel like I see it too often :wacko: For example Billboard's best artists of all time list had Celine at #83 whereas Mariah was 5 and Whitney was 9........... unacceptable.

[Javito]

I thought "Lotus" was just ok. A few good songs on it. "Bionic" in my opinion, was tragic to the ears. I also came to dislike Christina's personality as I watched her as a coach on "The Voice." And I am certain that I'm not the only one who feels the latter.

 

Her live performances have become painful as well. She's got one volume, and it's just loud. The same obnoxious run, over and over again. Christina just doesn't use the color in her voice anymore. It's all about vocal acrobatics and who can scream the loudest with her.

 

Well, you are focusing then more on a recent side of her that you don't like, and mostly in her live performances. Bionic is an album from 2010

 

Anyway, I get what you mean. But unfortunately, Céline is not that far from doing in her shows what you describe in your post, particularly with songs like RDMH, LCMM and more recently, Purple Rain. The way she's singing these songs is painful

[stevo]

I agree LCMM RDMH and PR are almost illegible now and need to go.

[isurrender]

You really have weird tastes. All the catchy songs in Bionic are mediocre.

 

The Bionic album has been bashed by let's say...80 % of her fan base.

 

I think you don't know what you're talking about because Bionic has many big names attached to it ( many big names in other kinds of music... not the mainstream one) and ( just like Céline actually) those big names didn't bring anything of what they are known for.

This album had a lot of potential and ended up a big disappointment for everyone.

 

Only you could like it.

 

And it's pretty annoying when we want to launch a discussion you always come back with the same things all over again...

You want to despise some sides of Céline's carreer at all costs that you overestimate things you don't know anything about.

Smart texts, Bionic ( beside what's called the "heart of the album" meaning this tunnel of ballads - most of them written by Sia)?... she was mocked by a huge part of the pop planet. 😁

Edited May 11, 2017 at 07:15 PM by isurrender

[Javito]

Illuminate me then, isurrender, please... Enlighten us all with your supreme wisdowm...

 

"A big disappointment for everyone", "only yoy could like it"...

 

Well it's you talking as the spokesperson of "everyone" here, and since I did speak for myself, and not being a Christina fan, I say again that I did enjoy that album.

 

If only Céline's Taking Chances or LMBTL lead singles had made half the noise that "Not Myself Tonight" made...

[browseceline]

has anyone listened to Lea Michele's new album? That's the way Celine should go! She has been influenced by Celine Dion and is a big fan of her

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2C96iZHObk.

[Del]

has anyone listened to Lea Michele's new album? That's the way Celine should go! She has been influenced by Celine Dion and is a big fan of her

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2C96iZHObk.

I have her album and it's beautiful. She did fantastic.

[A cause, A cause]

I would never have said I was a Lea Michele fan, in fact I found her annoying especially because of Glee. Though I heard her album recently and it's beautiful. I don't understand why Celine cant come out with an album like this? Thematically it works in a way that some of Celine's albums just don't. It's big ballsy anthemic pop ballads. The kind of thing Celine should be doing. The production all flows and feels organic and natural as well as epic. Since Celine just doesn't get radio support or big single promo she should just go and make an album like this. It will sell no matter what. Use a small group of producers and just make a great album that's strong and cohesive.

[LukeD]

Byeonic and Flopus were the final nail in the coffin of Christina's career. Irrelevant and forgettable albums/songs. LMBTL has sold more than these albums combined. Plus better vocals.

 

Enough said.

Edited May 20, 2017 at 09:39 PM by LukeD

[LukeD]

Christina Aguilera has always been a product, essentially adopting the trends of each era: bubble-gum pop during the late 90s, then Latin pop, then urban R&B and electro pop as of 2010, when Lady Gaga was the hottest music act worldwide. She re-invents herself just for the sake of re-invention, as her main purpose is to appear as a true artist. However, true artists know how to sing the genres they choose to sing. By contrast, the singing style of Christina has ALWAYS been the same: random runs, strained high notes, growling, pseudo-whistles.

 

When discussing the direction of the new English album, please stick to great artists. Try-hards who lost their fan bases because of their sloppy, unoriginal career choices must NOT be used as an example of what Celine Dion should be doing. Celine has chronically been far above that.

Edited May 20, 2017 at 09:50 PM by LukeD

[CelinesDIVO5]

Christina Aguilera has always been a product, essentially adopting the trends of each era: bubble-gum pop during the late 90s, then Latin pop, then urban R&B and electro pop as of 2010, when Lady Gaga was the hottest music act worldwide. She re-invents herself just for the sake of re-invention, as her main purpose is to appear as a true artist. However, true artists know how to sing the genres they choose to sing. By contrast, the singing style of Christina has ALWAYS been the same: random runs, strained high notes, growling, pseudo-whistles.

 

When discussing the direction of the new English album, please stick to great artists. Try-hards who lost their fan bases because of their sloppy, unoriginal career choices must NOT be used as an example of what Celine Dion should be doing. Celine has chronically been far above that.

 

Agreed on all points. Although, the "Stripped" era was fantastic. That was a great freakin album! Lol

[celinesounds]

I thought "Lotus" was just ok. A few good songs on it. "Bionic" in my opinion, was tragic to the ears. I also came to dislike Christina's personality as I watched her as a coach on "The Voice." And I am certain that I'm not the only one who feels the latter.

 

Her live performances have become painful as well. She's got one volume, and it's just loud. The same obnoxious run, over and over again. Christina just doesn't use the color in her voice anymore. It's all about vocal acrobatics and who can scream the loudest with her.

bionic was a masterpiece, lotus sounds dated

[GoldenLeaf]

has anyone listened to Lea Michele's new album? That's the way Celine should go! She has been influenced by Celine Dion and is a big fan of her

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2C96iZHObk.

It's ok but the song is boring like the rest of her album.

[CelinesDIVO5]

bionic was a masterpiece, lotus sounds dated

 

Neither of them came close to grabbing me like "Stripped" or "Back 2 Basics." Not even close.

[CelineIloilo]

Who doesn't put her alongside Mariah and Whitney?

She is not along side these two. That's because she is ABOVE them. PERIOD.

[CelinesDIVO5]

She is not along side these two. That's because she is ABOVE them. PERIOD.

 

Well...we are all above Whitney. By about 6 feet.

[Nmj]

 

 

Well...we are all above Whitney. By about 6 feet.

 

But Mariahs whistle makes us want to join Whitney lol