"Courage" album - Official Topic

[mirage]

THIS!

 

and as much as many of you try to talk it right what's happening with the

 

'I'm gonna stream it anyway, I'm gonna buy the album'

 

That's us the fans doing it. But I bet there are many people around now that have access to the album, listen to it, won't do it again because maybe they don't like. And you are losing streams, sales etc.

 

That's the whole point. And really people, what is 11 more days?!

It's been 'postponed' from 2017 to 2018 to 2019, so those 11 days would be easy.

 

It's also the experience and the anticipation of waiting 6 long years that's being killed just because you all being greedy.

 

 

 

It's only partially about that though.

More than anything, it's about respecting the work that went into both the production and the launch. Now it's out of Celine's / Sony's hands, and it's no longer happening on her terms.

And that's what's sad.

[Ukrfan]

Then please go through and delete any and all posts that have a link to a YouTube video of any of her concerts. Those are illegal.

 

People's hypocrisy and double standards here are beyond ridiculous . Where were they when we all discussed fan made videos from her Las Vegas shows in times the policy was really strict and it was directly forbidden to film her performances by Caesars Palace? Oh look, they were quiet! Now, they are all suddenly became a vice squad.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 07:22 PM by Ukrfan

[djuba82]

For the second time today, can the active members of this forum try to be respectful of other members?! Whether you listened to the album or not.... Or whatever you think of the fact that it was leaked. I haven't listened to it but don't condemn people who did. A forum is a place to exchange ideas and point of view. The fact that you are here for "20 years or more" doesn't give you any more rights... Anyway, back to the topic: I read the reviews and I am getting even more excited by the album! I mean, strangely enough, I expected it to be more modern So I am happy! I am wondering what Team Celine reaction will be. Will they release more songs and a video? That would be the sensible thing to do in my opinion! What do you think?

[smw]

It’s not our fault the album leaked.

Let’s not turn on each other.

Celine worked very hard on this new music.

It means a lot to her.

Listening to it should be a joyous experience for us.

 

There will be ppl who won’t wanna listen now and ppl who will. The album will be successful regardless thanks to the concert bundle and a lot of general fans will be oblivious to the leak anyways. Perhaps this will even generate more buzz??

 

I’m sure Sony is well aware of this and will do what they’ve gotta do.

[rodrigo]

I’m really in love with “Baby”❤️😱

[Schwa83]

The real downside of the leak is that it splits the community. We have some of our community who listened, and some who haven't. Before the leak, we were all on equal footing: no one heard the album and we all were waiting anxiously for the release date.

 

Now that equal footing is gone. We can argue all day and night about impact to sales, legality, blah blah blah. But the real divide is that we are no longer all in the same position and the promise of our community hearing and reacting to the new album around the same time is now gone. It's unfortunate, but what can we do now? No need to devolve into arguments and insults.

[mirage]

Lol the Red Heads are the most sad lonely ignorant fans out there

 

Commenting on their post that they as a fan group should not promote leaks they just block you

It tells sooo much about their own behavior.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 07:49 PM by mirage

[ruimarques]

I love it all ... just “the chase” and “I will be stronger” is boring and didn’t catch my heart neither my ears at al...

But still love the whole album ... I think that production is perfect and I smell some nominations...

[Tyler1991]

Come on guys... leaks happen. Its a part of it and we are the biggest fans so naturally many are going to cave in and listen. The overall picture with sales isn't really going to be damaged. I redeemed all my albums for all my tickets and those will count as sales for the album so i do not feel too guilty. I had a rough day yesterday and this is a great surprise.

 

I wish people could focus that overall this is a really beautiful album. The lyrics are deeper, the sound is more modern. I like that is is an update in sound while still respecting her core. This is much better than lmbtl. The lack of covers gives it that edge over TC. It's on the level of her earlier works in the 90s and andhc. Admittedly each of those had a dud song or two. This is a great album. The biggest negative to me is that i still don't see any of these songs but maybe one or two making it to the tour stage. Hopefully there is promo or special concert where we get more.

 

Weakest song to me - for the lover that i lost. Oddly enough its the song i see her lost likely singing live. Ugh. Lol. Everything else is great. Fantastic album and i can't wait to hear the final four songs.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 07:59 PM by Tyler1991

[browseceline]

Best thing would be to bring it out asap now it has leaked

 

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[GameC]

Then please go through and delete any and all posts that have a link to a YouTube video of any of her concerts. Those are illegal.

Let's do not try to put everything into one bag.

 

There is a big difference between publishing your own or link to someone else's amateur video that only gives a general view of what you could experience being personally there, and a one-to-one copy of what you would normally have to pay to a legal publisher or creator.

 

Anyway, nowadays, if something goes online, it will stay there forever. Google shows links to this illegal material and literally anyone interested can have these songs. There is not any physical possibility to stop it at this point and everyone should have the right to decide for themselves in this matter.

 

And if something is personal, then we probably should not evaluate it in public.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:07 PM by GameC

[LukeD]

Weakest song to me - for the lover that i lost. Oddly enough its the song i see her lost likely singing live. Ugh. Lol. Everything else is great. Fantastic album and i can't wait to hear the final four songs.

I loved this song - both lyrics and music. Very emotional. The vocals could improve, so I am actually hoping for a live version. Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:07 PM by LukeD

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

Thanks for the response. But I’m afraid, what I hear from it is: “When *I* do something, it’s not illegal. But when other people do something similar, they should be ashamed of themselves.”

 

Read again

 

"As for the legality of recording concerts and sharing those videos. It's true, it's illegal and I uploaded a video of the Vegas show I went to. I'm not gonna pretend that's okay to do"

[AdrienneM]

Anyway.... From reading people say earlier something about Change My Mind having ridiculous vocals? I assume then that song will not be seeing the stage

 

Despite the buffoonery that ensued im still excited to hear the album on Nov 15th

Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:12 PM by AdrienneM

[djuba82]

Come on guys... leaks happen. Its a part of it and we are the biggest fans so naturally many are going to cave in and listen. The overall picture with sales isn't really going to be damaged. I redeemed all my albums for all my tickets and those will count as sales for the album so i do not feel too guilty. I had a rough day yesterday and this is a great surprise.

 

I wish people could focus that overall this is a really beautiful album. The lyrics are deeper, the sound is more modern. I like that is is an update in sound while still respecting her core. This is much better than lmbtl. The lack of covers gives it that edge over TC. It's on the level of her earlier works in the 90s and andhc. Admittedly each of those had a dud song or two. This is a great album. The biggest negative to me is that i still don't see any of these songs but maybe one or two making it to the tour stage. Hopefully there is promo or special concert where we get more.

 

Weakest song to me - for the lover that i lost. Oddly enough its the song i see her lost likely singing live. Ugh. Lol. Everything else is great. Fantastic album and i can't wait to hear the final four songs.

 

Some album are not made for stage. I mean, there are great recording artists out there who don't perform much of their material on stage. Maybe this album will be like that too. Compared to LMBTL, which, to me, wasn't a great material neither for the stage nor for recording... I can't wait to listen to it!

[djuba82]

The real downside of the leak is that it splits the community. We have some of our community who listened, and some who haven't. Before the leak, we were all on equal footing: no one heard the album and we all were waiting anxiously for the release date.

 

Now that equal footing is gone. We can argue all day and night about impact to sales, legality, blah blah blah. But the real divide is that we are no longer all in the same position and the promise of our community hearing and reacting to the new album around the same time is now gone. It's unfortunate, but what can we do now? No need to devolve into arguments and insults.

 

I hadn't thought of that... You are making a very interesting point herr but, as I said, I still won't condemn people listening to the leak I just hope they will share the excitement, again, on 15th ahahahq

[Xpresso]

Seriously, if Sony was behind the leak, they wouldn't have done this 12 days before the release. Maybe a day or two but not 12.

Shipping of the albums has probably started and all it took was for one impatient (or nasty) person to take one copy...

And even if Sony would have done a surprise release, they still would have had to ship the physical copies so the same thing would happen. I wish they could place a mini bomb that goes off when someone opens the box before release day!

Hopefully Sony will release the album this week. Any other big artists releasing this Friday?

 

EDIT: I haven't listened to it. I'm waiting for Celine to tell me when I can do so!!

Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:19 PM by Xpresso

[djuba82]

Anyway.... From reading people say earlier something about Change My Mind having ridiculous vocals? I assume then that song will not be seeing the stage

 

Despite the buffoonery that ensued im still excited to hear the album on Nov 15th

 

I personally got also more excited for the the release by reading all the comments!!! Though on the RH Facebook page, I read a lot of negative comments on the album... But I always think that they are professional moaners ahaha

[couldawouldashoulda]

If we wanna get petty, it’s literally illegal to record or take pictures of almost every big attraction world wide without permission, are people gonna stop? No. Thousands of people recording a concert when Celine and her team clearly dont care is completely different to leaking an entire album and broadcasting it for everyone to see

 

How exactly? How does your logic work that even though you admit it’s illegal to record a concert, it’s ok but releasing the album early (also illegal) is *not* ok. How do you justify that in your mind. That makes zero sense to me. Either you’re against illegal activities or you’re not. Either you participate in illegal activities or you do not. And it sounds to me like you’ve participated in illegal activists so HOW DARE YOU shake your finger at someone else? There’s a word for that. It’s “hypocritical.” Look it up.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:28 PM by couldawouldashoulda

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

People's hypocrisy and double standards here are beyond ridiculous . Where were they when we all discussed fan made videos from her Las Vegas shows in times the policy was really strict and it was directly forbidden to film her performances by Caesars Palace? Oh look, they were quiet! Now, they are all suddenly became a vice squad.

 

PREACH!!!!!!!

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Read again

 

"As for the legality of recording concerts and sharing those videos. It's true, it's illegal and I uploaded a video of the Vegas show I went to. I'm not gonna pretend that's okay to do"

 

Then why are you getting upsetting at people who are listening to the album? They’re just doing something illegal like you did. So what’s the problem?

Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:27 PM by couldawouldashoulda

[AdrienneM]

 

 

How exactly? How does your logic work that even though you admit it’s illegal to record a concert, it’s ok but releasing the album early (also illegal) *is* ok. How do you justify that in your mind. That makes zero sense to me. Either you’re against illegal activities or you’re not. Either you participate in illegal activities or you do not. And it sounds to me like you’ve participated in illegal activists so HOW DARE YOU shake your finger at someone else? There’s a word for that. It’s “hypocritical.” Look it up.

 

Recording a concert isnt “illegal”. It is something which is prohibited in certain venues and such. If it was so, people wouldnt have access to their phones and all Celines and every other artists concerts would be as strict as OG Vegas days, but theyre not. Technically its “illegal” to take any video or picture of anyone without consent, so audio isnt illegal at all, however, its a slippery slope; I mean, if someone even takes a picture with someone in the background (i assume you yourself has done so, everyone has), they didnt give permission, therefore, that picture is “illegal” too. Clearly Celine has absolutely no issue with it, therefore she has not shown any form of wanting it prohibited, therefore its legal. I mean she even plays it up for people filming, she and her team clearly dont care. In fact; if we wanna get real, her recording a concert with peoples faces in it from the audience is “illegal” so guess Celine is a criminal too! Leaking an entire album and promoting it 2 weeks before its release is literally piracy, taking videos when it’s clearly not prohibited by the venues or the artists is hardly comparable to piracy, sorry.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:33 PM by AdrienneM

[djuba82]

 

 

Then why are you getting upsetting at people who are listening to the album? They’re just doing something illegal like you did. So what’s the problem?

 

I would even say : why be upset at all...? I mean, nowadays, leaks happens with pretty much all albums except from the ones dropped unexpectedly like Beyonce. So why would it be different for Celine? And what does one make feel like it's better to film "illegally" than listening to something "illegally" ? Definitely a double standard here but let's focus on the most important thing: we re getting 20 songs and from the reviews, people seem to like it!

[LukeD]

I think it all comes down to the material and promotion. Because even with 0 leaks an album becomes available on a global scale - thanks to the Internet - on its 1st day of release. Does this mean it will not sell enough copies the following week? I think good-selling albums sell consistently in the span of several weeks. Sans Attendre for example. It is not as if the availability of songs kills everything. I believe in Courage and I still think Celine will do very well with this album, as long as she supports it. The material is there. She relies on physical sales for the most part and much of her fan base are people who do go to stores to buy her records. This is not over. Let's remain positive! And enjoy the good music! Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:36 PM by LukeD

[Xpresso]

So now the people who listened to the leaked album are the ones telling the others that they are wrong. WTF.

[Kyle_Jared]

Can anybody PM me the link?

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Recording a concert isnt “illegal”. It is something which is prohibited in certain venues and such. If it was so, people wouldnt have access to their phones and all Celines and every other artists concerts would be as strict as OG Vegas days, but theyre not. Technically its “illegal” to take any video or picture of anyone without consent, so audio isnt illegal at all, however, its a slippery slope; I mean, if someone even takes a picture with someone in the background (i assume you yourself has done so, everyone has), they didnt give permission, therefore, that picture is “illegal” too. Clearly Celine has absolutely no issue with it, therefore she has not shown any form of wanting it prohibited, therefore its legal. I mean she even plays it up for people filming, she and her team clearly dont care. In fact; if we wanna get real, her recording a concert with peoples faces in it from the audience is “illegal” so guess Celine is a criminal too! Leaking an entire album and promoting it 2 weeks before its release is literally piracy, taking videos when it’s clearly not prohibited by the venues or the artists is hardly comparable to piracy, sorry.

 

I have worked in the...excuse me...I’ve made a living in the entertainment industry for 35 years. Believe me, it is indeed illegal to record a concert and share it. People rarely enforce this rule anymore (like jaywalking) but yes, it is illegal. Things are either illegal or their not. “Well, it’s illegal but everybody does it” doesn’t hold argument. Or maybe it does because albums are released illegally online ALL THE TIME - everyone does it. So perhaps it’s not really that illegal either?

[djuba82]

So now the people who listened to the leaked album are the ones telling the others that they are wrong. WTF.

 

No, just saying that there is a minimum of respect to have for each other :-) whatever your opinion on the leak of this album is :-)

 

Let's come back to the topic: the content of this album! Whatever you have listened to it or not, that's what we are all here for!

Edited November 3, 2019 at 08:41 PM by djuba82

[Peppercorn1991]

I’m so peed off with this forum right now! It’s leaked... we can’t do anything now.... it’s out there! I think we are all peed off with this fact!

 

I feel those who have listened to the album have been silenced and now none of us can’t speak true lyrics of how we feel. That’s what this forum is about!!

 

Kev x

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I have worked in the...excuse me...I’ve made a living in the entertainment industry for 35 years. Believe me, it is indeed illegal to record a concert and share it. People rarely enforce this rule anymore (like jaywalking) but yes, it is illegal. Things are either illegal or their not. “Well, it’s illegal but everybody does it” doesn’t hold argument. Or maybe it does because albums are released illegally online ALL THE TIME - everyone does it. So perhaps it’s not really that illegal either?

 

Convenient everyone becomes an xyz when it becomes relevant to a discussion, however thats not the point. Celine and her team clearly have absolutely nothing against it, it is a form or consent to not address it otherwise. And if they do find it illegal, im sure they’d be happy to erase and compensate every single person who has ever been in a picture from a show or a live concert video, better yet anyone who screamed on a DVD recording as I imagine their consent wasnt given, no? So, do we equate filming with no prohibition to piracy? I think not