"Courage" album - Official Topic

[couldawouldashoulda]

If you are going to listened to the leak at least keep it to yourself or talk to others about it in DM. Lots of us don't want any spoilers.

 

Those thinking passing to other hardcore fans isn't damaging clearly have no grasp of the bigger picture. You have no idea who you are passing it to or if that fan won't share it. I haven't been on YouTube but I am 99% sure some accounts have already uploaded the songs. Maybe not Celine fan accounts (although I know the allure of getting views by uploading it) but others.

 

Why don’t you just stop reading this thread since you know that the album has been leaked and that people are discussing it. It’s coming out in 12 days - there’s gonna be nothing else “official” that won’t also be posted in the Celine Official News Thread. Change your own behavior rather than policing everyone else’s!

[queenofvegas]

 

 

The "impatient" thing was only to understand why some fans have the courage to wait for the 15th and others don't. Not about the leak... There is also one member (I can't remember which one) who decided not to listen to Lying down / Imperfections / Courage and wait for the 15th. How is it possible? It's about patience I think. And psychology studies show that patient people (you know the marshmallow test?) have better lives than others... So you should just feel pity for us, who are so impatient, but stop being rude with me please.

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry about this.

[Jeanette]

It’s amusing to see all these sanctimonious people who create and spread unauthorized videos and audio of Vegas shows and concerts now having a fit.

 

I think in this day and age that’s to be expected and is totally different. We’re talking about illegal piracy here, plain and simple!

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

I think in this day and age that’s to be expected and is totally different. We’re talking about illegal piracy here, plain and simple!

 

In case you aren’t aware, it’s illegal to video a concert and post it to YouTube. The songwriters aren’t getting paid for that, the artist isn’t getting paid for that. You’re breaking the law every time you watch one.

[manolo19]

all the excitement and anticipation suddenly turned into something sad , thanks to all the members for the fun we had , party is over

[dyusha]

I don’t personally condone leaking. It certainly isn’t worth the risk of prosecution. And for what? Most people won’t even say Thank you

 

However, to the best of my knowledge, EVERY album Celine ever released leaked a few days/weeks before the release. That’s an inevitable part of the type of business she’s in. I respect the opinions and the frustrations of anybody who’s upset over this, but again, this was to be expected

 

I have been buying Celine’s albums on the release date since Let’s Talk About Love ans here are my observations:

 

Let’s Talk About Love: not sure/do not remember

S’il suffisait d’aimer: leaked and released on cassette in Russia 2 weeks before worldwide release

These Are Special Times: leaked and released in Russia by pirates 2 weeks before worldwide release

Au coeur du stade: do not remember it being leaked

All The Way: Euro version leaked and released by pirates in Russia two weeks before worldwide

A New Day Has Come: leaked and published by www.suffisait.com website one week before

One Heart: official copy was put on sale by mistake in select countries one week before

Live In Las Vegas: studio tracks were leaked and shared on this forum a MONTH before release

Miracle: weird alternate versions were leaked and shared on this forum MONTHs before the release

D’elles: official copy was put on sale in select countries two weeks before May release date

Taking Chances: do not remember it being leaked. However recording sessions of half of the songs were posted on Team Celine and subsequently shared

Taking Chances World Tour: do not remember it being leaked. Not enough people cared I guess

Sans attendre: Official site posted all songs except L’amour peut prendre froid one week before the release

Loved Me Back To Life: leaked and posted on YouTube by Céline Dion Greece one week before the release

 

 

As you can see: we are talking about an international release. It is very hard to control what other countries decide to do with advance copies, especially those who have flawed copyright laws. And it’s hard to hold them accountable without starting some sort of Trade War. They could restrict the sales in those countries but it would not be fair to the law abiding fans who only want to buy a legit CD

[Nmj]

Team Celine is either responsible for the leak, or at the very least expected it. That’s why it’s the time for artists to do surprise release dates, because at least then it’s on their terms.

[scielle]

And yes, to the person who said that life is too short. Any one of us could by hit by a car or suddenly have a heart attack or a stroke and die tomorrow...hell TODAY!!

 

So "I could get hit by a bus tomorrow" is an acceptable excuse for breaking the law?

 

BRB, gonna go rob the bank now.

 

It’s coming out in 12 days - there’s gonna be nothing else “official” that won’t also be posted in the Celine Official News Thread.

 

You know very well that's not the case. 99.9% of published information ends up in this thread.

[québecflower]

In case you aren’t aware, it’s illegal to video a concert and post it to YouTube. The songwriters aren’t getting paid for that, the artist isn’t getting paid for that. You’re breaking the law every time you watch one.

and someone can decide to not buy tickets because he doesn't like it.

[scielle]

Team Celine is either responsible for the leak, or at the very least expected it. That’s why it’s the time for artists to do surprise release dates, because at least then it’s on their terms.

 

Highly doubtful for reasons already outlined above.

There's no way they'd sabotage months, nay, years of their own work and meticulous launch planning. I assure you, being in the industry, this is the last thing we want.

[manu23]

For those thinking this was team Celine, why would Sony invite fans to listening parties on the 11 and 12 if they were planning to leak it? It makes no sense. The Read Heads are saying that to feel better about themselves, but no way the leak came from team Celine.

[yoyoma]

This just reveals some fans in this forum. Egoist and ignorant

[MaiconSC]

It's not Team Celine's fault... Physical copies are already distributed to stores in some countries, and one person got one copy and leaked it... Edited November 3, 2019 at 06:54 PM by MaiconSC

[Nmj]

 

 

Highly doubtful for reasons already outlined above.

There's no way they'd sabotage months, nay, years of their own work and meticulous launch planning. I assure you, being in the industry, this is the last thing we want.

 

Okay, you may be right. However; I think Team Celine at minimum expected the high possibility of this outcome. Precisely why many artists now do the surprise launch of the album... it helps the artist release the album on their terms and creates buzz, because of the “surprise” factor so it usually gets a lot of traction... Perhaps a trend Team Celine should have looked into.

[george_matei]

It's not ok, i'm agree with you, but don't panic!We talk about Celine Dion, she's an international star, the album will sold more than you expect, trust me.In other ways, I don't care to much about to be no.1 on Billbord, but I think it will be.The same thing was with Gaga's Joanne album, so!?If Gaga did it well, Celine the same..

[scielle]

It's not ok, i'm agree with you, but don't panic!We talk about Celine Dion, she's an international star, the album will sold more than you expect, trust me.In other ways, I don't care to much about to be no.1 on Billbord, but I think it will be.The same thing was with Gaga's Joanne album, so!?If Gaga did it well, Celine the same..

 

It's only partially about that though.

More than anything, it's about respecting the work that went into both the production and the launch. Now it's out of Celine's / Sony's hands, and it's no longer happening on her terms.

And that's what's sad.

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

It's only partially about that though.

More than anything, it's about respecting the work that went into both the production and the launch. Now it's out of Celine's / Sony's hands, and it's no longer happening on her terms.

And that's what's sad.

 

If her terms were to release the album 2 months after starting the World Tour named after the album...her terms are stupid.

[stevo]

 

 

It's not a job... they don't sit on here 24/7, on a random Sunday to take down illegal links. It's simply not reasonable to expect that they do.

People have lives and it's not their responsibility. Let's be grateful we have moderators in the first place, who already do a lot to keep this place organized and civil. Because they certainly don't have to.

 

You do realise I’m 37 years old and have been on this forum for 20 years? I’m well aware of the role of a moderator and that it’s not a job. I’m not a muppet.

 

There is minimal input from the moderators and what used to be a fun place for me to spend hours of my sad life is utter tripe now. And something as important as this and having fans openly requesting illegal piracy links to steal from the person we’re all collectively here for is absolutely sickening. Yes, we give her thousands of our pounds/dollars whatever but this is outright disrespectful.

 

This topic should be locked until the 15th.

 

[browseceline]

It’s amusing to see all these sanctimonious people who create and spread unauthorized videos and audio of Vegas shows and concerts now having a fit.

What is so special about videos taken by fans that we have seen dozens of times? That is no comparison

 

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[scielle]

You do realise I'm 37 years old and have been on this forum for 20 years? I'm well aware of the role of a moderator and that it's not a job. I'm not a muppet.

 

There is minimal input from the moderators and what used to be a fun place for me to spend hours of my sad life is utter tripe now. And something as important as this and having fans openly requesting illegal piracy links to steal from the person we're all collectively here for is absolutely sickening. Yes, we give her thousands of our pounds/dollars whatever but this is outright disrespectful.

 

This topic should be locked until the 15th.

 

My point is you can't expect people to drop their plans at a moments notice, especially for something this unexpected.

Moderating takes time, and effort, and you can't expect people to have constant availability and access.

 

And there was absolutely no reason for that first sentence. It's quite saddening, actually, that you felt the need to write that in response to my previous post.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 07:11 PM by scielle

[noyau]

You do realise I'm 37 years old and have been on this forum for 20 years? I'm well aware of the role of a moderator and that it's not a job. I'm not a muppet.

 

There is minimal input from the moderators and what used to be a fun place for me to spend hours of my sad life is utter tripe now. And something as important as this and having fans openly requesting illegal piracy links to steal from the person we're all collectively here for is absolutely sickening. Yes, we give her thousands of our pounds/dollars whatever but this is outright disrespectful.

 

This topic should be locked until the 15th.

 

So the topic of the Courage world tour should also be locked as there are plenty of illegal videos on it...

 

The moderators just have be careful that members don't insult other members (for example the post of Yoyoma who thinks that some fans here are "egoist and ignorant")

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

Why don’t you just stop reading this thread since you know that the album has been leaked and that people are discussing it. It’s coming out in 12 days - there’s gonna be nothing else “official” that won’t also be posted in the Celine Official News Thread. Change your own behavior rather than policing everyone else’s!

 

Don't worry, I just might do that. My comment wasn't directed to you but to those writting long reviews on an album that hasn't been legally released and are ruining it for those that maybe don't have the will power to scroll past like I do.

 

As for the legality of recording concerts and sharing those videos. It's true, it's illegal and I uploaded a video of the Vegas show I went to. I'm not gonna pretend that's okay to do but there is a difference in that there are millions of people that can't afford the thousands of dollars worth of ticket and travel expenses whereas everyone can afford a $16 CD. That's a big difference. Also, going to see your favorite artist in person alone will make anyone want to go even if they've already seen the show on youtube, as well as the fun of visiting a new place. What non-diehard fan will pay for an album they can get for free? And if anyone thinks this leak is only getting into the hands of hardcore fans who already own 5 copies is kidding themselves. I know for sure there also fans out there that won't bother buying/stream it if they can have it for free.

 

 

Who knows what kind of impact this will have. Could be small, could be big, we don't know. Let's hope it's very small.

Edited November 3, 2019 at 07:10 PM by maki_Dion-er

[Philippe]

 

 

So the topic of the Courage world tour should also be locked as there are plenty of illegal videos on it...

 

The moderators just have be careful that members don't insult other members (for example the post of Yoyoma who thinks that some fans here are "egoist and ignorant")

 

Don't spend too much of your time on this. Most people here won't get it for some obvious reasons (age and/or education).

[mirage]

Yeah seriously the moderators are doing not much these days.

There was a time that even thinking about asking a link you would get a warning

[Ronny83]

Yeah seriously the moderators are doing not much these days.

There was a time that even thinking about asking a link you would get a warning

 

Actually I tried to delete all the link and link requests posts.

[smw]

I havent read through all the comments yet but I realize the album has leaked. Let’s hope her team and Sony get in control of this and all will be well!

 

Maybe they can just go ahead and release it now?

 

Let’s stay positive!

 

On another note - her concert reviews have been stellar. She is on fire!!!

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Don't worry, I just might do that. My comment wasn't directed to you but to those writting long reviews on an album that hasn't been legally released and are ruining it for those that maybe don't have the will power to scroll past like I do.

 

As for the legality of recording concerts and sharing those videos. It's true, it's illegal and I uploaded a video of the Vegas show I went to. I'm not gonna pretend that's okay to do but there is a difference in that there are millions of people that can't afford the thousands of dollars worth of ticket and travel expenses whereas everyone can afford a $16 CD. That's a big difference. Also, going to see your favorite artist in person alone will make anyone want to go even if they've already seen the show on youtube, as well as the fun of visiting a new place. What non-diehard fan will pay for an album they can get for free? And if anyone thinks this leak is only getting into the hands of hardcore fans who already own 5 copies is kidding themselves. I know for sure there also fans out there that won't bother buying/stream it if they can have it for free.

 

 

Who knows what kind of impact this will have. Could be small, could be big, we don't know. Let's hope it's very small.

 

Thanks for the response. But I’m afraid, what I hear from it is: “When *I* do something, it’s not illegal. But when other people do something similar, they should be ashamed of themselves.”

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Actually I tried to delete all the link and link requests posts.

 

Then please go through and delete any and all posts that have a link to a YouTube video of any of her concerts. Those are illegal.

[scielle]

Yeah seriously the moderators are doing not much these days.

There was a time that even thinking about asking a link you would get a warning

Not everyone can drop everything in their life to moderate an online forum at a moment's notice. It's unreasonable to expect this.

You'll note most threads get cleaned up as and when moderators become available.

 

Actually I tried to delete all the link and link requests posts.

Thank you.

[AdrienneM]

If we wanna get petty, it’s literally illegal to record or take pictures of almost every big attraction world wide without permission, are people gonna stop? No. Thousands of people recording a concert when Celine and her team clearly dont care is completely different to leaking an entire album and broadcasting it for everyone to see