"Courage" album - Official Topic

February 21, 2019 at 08:32 PM

How? I can think a couple of reasons right off my mind to be to blame for this, like:

1. Not releasing new music since 6 years ago, and having released only TWO English albums in 12 years, that’s ONE album every 6 years.

2. Showing an absolute lack of interest and apathy in promoting her new music when she has an album out, talking about music in her interviews AND promoting new songs in her concerts when she has the chance.

Does that say something to you? I think these are more than enough reasons for the radios to pay zero attention to Celine!

Even if I agreed with your two points (which I don't) those are still not the reasons she doesn't get airplay. Radio play isn't determined by how much music/album is promoted or how often an artist releases new music (Adele is the perfect example of this).

February 21, 2019 at 08:38 PM

its totally unclear to me why in Summer 2016 she never mentioned that she has a brand new album out when she was on a million of tv shows and why she sang only her greatest hits when on good morning america. It’s like she was sabotaging her own new album

Although she didn’t sing from the album, I am positive that the title and album cover were promoted on Jimmy Fallon’s show. It wasn’t discussed in detail though :-/

February 21, 2019 at 08:57 PM

Even if I agreed with your two points (which I don't) those are still not the reasons she doesn't get airplay. Radio play isn't determined by how much music/album is promoted or how often an artist releases new music (Adele is the perfect example of this).

Nope, they're not conclusive reasons, but they result ultimately in the lack of interest Celine awakens in radios.

Add to that Céline's own lack of interest in promoting her original songs, when she goes to TV and has a TV special filmed and she insists on performing more covers before original songs, and inundates the show with more covers and duets performing songs of other singers, and there you get another reason why she has no credibility for radios since ages ago. For many radio stations and DJs Céline is regarded as a performed literally obsessed with sending covers to radios and picking them as singles, and they don't like that at all Radios want new, original and fresh material, and Celine has failed radios delivering this material time and again.

February 22, 2019 at 01:52 AM

Oh we go back to the topic blaming something we don't like and forgetting everything she have done because we haven't got what we want. I think the thread will be locked sooner than the album gonna be released 🤭

February 22, 2019 at 06:19 AM

How many 50 year old female artists get lots of airplay in the US? Enough with the ridiculous insinuations. Celine was the Queen of radio when she was younger and at her peak. So now the crown is with someone else. No need to attack Celine. Breath in. Breath out. One more time.

February 22, 2019 at 08:08 AM

How many 50 year old female artists get lots of airplay in the US? Enough with the ridiculous insinuations. Celine was the Queen of radio when she was younger and at her peak. So now the crown is with someone else. No need to attack Celine. Breath in. Breath out. One more time.

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 AMEN

I’d say that whoever blames Celine for not recording a recent type of music or with recent artists have in fact a “toxic relationship” with her ;p

I love my Celine and I will accept whatever she’ll record, because I trust her and I want her to be happy and what makes me happy is her voice and her own personality.

I hope that you all can read between the lines

Love, David

February 22, 2019 at 08:28 AM

Again the absurd radio discussion, like if Celine or Sony were to blame. Both LMBTL and Ashes were great singles, had Adele sang Ashes it would have been #1 everywhere, had Rihanna sang LMBTL it would have been #1 everywhere too (btw Sony pushed LMBTL and even paid radios to play it, still they didn't). American radios don't play older artists, period (in Europe is not so bad but still). It has nothing to do with quality of singles and even less with having sang covers. Mariah hasn't sang covers and she is not played anymore, same as Christina (even her single with Demi Lovato was less successful than Ashes), Madonna, even Britney nowadays, JLo is a bit luckier because she is still played on the Latino stations, but that's it. Celine's focus and relevance are where have to be, albums and firstly tours.

February 22, 2019 at 09:44 AM

Again the absurd radio discussion, like if Celine or Sony were to blame. Both LMBTL and Ashes were great singles, had Adele sang Ashes it would have been #1 everywhere, had Rihanna sang LMBTL it would have been #1 everywhere too (btw Sony pushed LMBTL and even paid radios to play it, still they didn't). American radios don't play older artists, period (in Europe is not so bad but still). It has nothing to do with quality of singles and even less with having sang covers. Mariah hasn't sang covers and she is not played anymore, same as Christina (even her single with Demi Lovato was less successful than Ashes), Madonna, even Britney nowadays, JLo is a bit luckier because she is still played on the Latino stations, but that's it. Celine's focus and relevance are where have to be, albums and firstly tours.

Sorry, talking about her English career, but this really isn't only her age.

I hear many older artists and '70/80 bands on the radio. Celine simply represents for many many many people on the planet 'shitty music'. Simple as that. She, unfortunately, still stands for crappy, cheesy whining songs that, in the best case scenario, can be called a guilty pleasure but hardly is taken serious or played on big regular mainstream stations. Rather it's the media, or you just ask 1000 random strangers on the streets, Celine wasn't able to get rid of her status as the singer you should be ashamed of when you listen to her. Not true at all, but it is what she's still known for.

Since Taking Chances she came up with incredible singles that fit in perfectly among other radio songs and she could be played on a daily base with all she delivered ever since.... but she simply isn't. Why? It's Celine Dion.

If she only comes up with new stuff every 6 years, it's even harder to change things. Taking Chances was new for her but had so little impact that it hardly changed the way for LMBTL. Not to mention the 5/6 year gap(s) where she vanished from planet earth for the big audience. It's not helping either.

Her image changed tremendously in the last few years, so I'm very curious what will happen when a new single comes out.

Maybe it will be bigger, with her new 'status'. But for many radio stations, it won't be a major change. It won't be the ultimate moment where all radio stations decide that Celine Dion is all of a sudden the way to go and should be played. If we're, and she is, lucky she'll be played every now and then. But that won't do the trick on a big global scale.

February 22, 2019 at 04:47 PM

What radio stations are those? The ones I listen to that play current music never play music or bands from the 70s or 80s. That's only played on the stations that play nostalgic music.

Beyonce is still incredibly popular and only 37, and still her music is hardly played on the radio.

Blaming Celine for this is misguided.

Edited February 22, 2019 at 04:50 PM by maki_Dion-er

February 22, 2019 at 05:31 PM

How many 50 year old female artists get lots of airplay in the US? Enough with the ridiculous insinuations. Celine was the Queen of radio when she was younger and at her peak. So now the crown is with someone else. No need to attack Celine. Breath in. Breath out. One more time.

JLo, for example? :innocent:

Please note that I DIDN'T start this discussion of radio airplay this time, and also I DIDN'T mention especifically the US territory, but the lack of Céline's presence in radios on a worldwide scale and on a general level, which is what everyone here is addressing and what concerns in the end. Everyone is wanting Celine to be played in their respective countries when she has a new single, but she has been dropped territory by territory since 2003 (but for France, Poland and some other French-speaking countries).

Where this absurd obsession of always reducing and limiting the problem of Céline's lack of radio airplay to the US comes from??? As if the US was the only region in the world that counts on charts and music radio airplay?? :blink: Do you know the world and the music business is bigger and goes beyond your frontiers in the States right?? :doh: :doh: :doh:

What Billboard charts says is NOT what rules in the world (luckily).

What happens in the US and is played in the US is NOT necessarily what is played and successful in radios in Europe (for example), let alone in other continents like Asia.

Please open your mind when analysing radio airplay and please keep in mind that we have hundreds of fans here living and writing from Europe, and we have our own references of what music is played here and what's not, and don't necessarily match with what's successful or being hot in the US at the moment (tell that to the radios in UK or Germany, where the music market is drastically different than the States lol).

Anyway... :doh:

Sorry, talking about her English career, but this really isn't only her age.
I hear many older artists and '70/80 bands on the radio. Celine simply represents for many many many people on the planet 'shitty music'. Simple as that. She, unfortunately, still stands for crappy, cheesy whining songs that, in the best case scenario, can be called a guilty pleasure but hardly is taken serious or played on big regular mainstream stations. Rather it's the media, or you just ask 1000 random strangers on the streets, Celine wasn't able to get rid of her status as the singer you should be ashamed of when you listen to her. Not true at all, but it is what she's still known for.

Since Taking Chances she came up with incredible singles that fit in perfectly among other radio songs and she could be played on a daily base with all she delivered ever since.... but she simply isn't. Why? It's Celine Dion.

If she only comes up with new stuff every 6 years, it's even harder to change things. Taking Chances was new for her but had so little impact that it hardly changed the way for LMBTL. Not to mention the 5/6 year gap(s) where she vanished from planet earth for the big audience. It's not helping either.

Her image changed tremendously in the last few years, so I'm very curious what will happen when a new single comes out.
Maybe it will be bigger, with her new 'status'. But for many radio stations, it won't be a major change. It won't be the ultimate moment where all radio stations decide that Celine Dion is all of a sudden the way to go and should be played. If we're, and she is, lucky she'll be played every now and then. But that won't do the trick on a big global scale.

Exactly. Amen to all. Thank you :bye1:

What radio stations are those? The ones I listen to that play current music never play music or bands from the 70s or 80s. That's only played on the stations that play nostalgic music.

Beyonce is still incredibly popular and only 37, and still her music is hardly played on the radio.

Blaming Celine for this is misguided.

Excuse me? All her last singles from her albums have been heavily played, and her last collab with Coldplay "Hymn For The Weekend" has been played everywhere! Where do you guys live in, under a rock?? :wtf:

Edited February 22, 2019 at 05:44 PM by Javito

February 22, 2019 at 05:43 PM

Youtube Music Chart (Last year) (2018)

- Céline Dion (50) 1,07 Billion

- Mariah Carey (48) 980 million (in 2018 new album) and Céline has more views.

- Whitney Houston 890 million

- Britney Spears (37) 793 million

- Avril Lavigne (34) 741 million

- Madonna (60) 697 million

- Christina Aguilera (38) 585 million

- Shania Twain (53) 278 million

- Toni Braxton (51) 276 million

- Cher (72) 122 million

- Alanis Morissete (44) 99,7 million

Most Recent Artists (2018)

- Ariana Grande (25) 4,8 Billion

- Dua Lipa (23) 3,2 Billion

- Katy Perry (34) 2,27 Billion

- Camila Cabello (21) 2,18 Billion

- Demi Lovato (26) 1,92 Billion

- Beyoncé (37) 1,79 billion

- Selena Gomez (26) 1,72 Billion

- Adele (30) 1,59 Billion

- P!ink (39) 1,16 billion

Just for comparation. Céline is Big. :wub:

Edited February 22, 2019 at 05:45 PM by rodrigo

February 22, 2019 at 07:00 PM

Excuse me? All her last singles from her albums have been heavily played, and her last collab with Coldplay "Hymn For The Weekend" has been played everywhere! Where do you guys live in, under a rock??

That was Beyonce's voice? Lol, that song hardly counts as a Beyonce song, it's Coldplay.

I live in the US and, at least in my state, I haven't heard any of her recent music.

February 22, 2019 at 07:13 PM

Excuse me? All her last singles from her albums have been heavily played, and her last collab with Coldplay "Hymn For The Weekend" has been played everywhere! Where do you guys live in, under a rock??

No, in the Netherlands . Where Celines songs haven’t been played on the radio since her break in 2000. Her new songs won’t ever be played on the radio.

February 22, 2019 at 07:30 PM

No, in the Netherlands . Where Celines songs haven’t been played on the radio since her break in 2000. Her new songs won’t ever be played on the radio.

I know. In Spain she was played until 2003 with IDAN, after that, all of a sudden, all radios stopped playing her following singles One Heart, You And I, Taking Chances, Alone, Eyes On Me, LMBTL... until today :hmm:

February 22, 2019 at 07:56 PM

I know. In Spain she was played until 2003 with IDAN, after that, all of a sudden, all radios stopped playing her following singles One Heart, You And I, Taking Chances, Alone, Eyes On Me, LMBTL... until today

The same happened in Portugal. Her last hit here was "I'm Alive". Only one big radio station played "I Drove All Night". Then she vanished from the Portuguese radios.

Now all the Portuguese media talks about Celine... because of her fashion, Pepe, her weight. It's time to release new music!

February 22, 2019 at 08:15 PM

Youtube Music Chart (Last year) (2018)
- Céline Dion (50) 1,07 Billion
- Mariah Carey (48) 980 million (in 2018 new album) and Céline has more views.
- Whitney Houston 890 million
- Britney Spears (37) 793 million
- Avril Lavigne (34) 741 million
- Madonna (60) 697 million
- Christina Aguilera (38) 585 million
- Shania Twain (53) 278 million
- Toni Braxton (51) 276 million
- Cher (72) 122 million
- Alanis Morissete (44) 99,7 million

Most Recent Artists (2018)
- Ariana Grande (25) 4,8 Billion
- Dua Lipa (23) 3,2 Billion
- Katy Perry (34) 2,27 Billion
- Camila Cabello (21) 2,18 Billion
- Demi Lovato (26) 1,92 Billion
- Beyoncé (37) 1,79 billion
- Selena Gomez (26) 1,72 Billion
- Adele (30) 1,59 Billion
- P!ink (39) 1,16 billion

Just for comparation. Céline is Big.

This was meant for Javito I'm sure!

Who needs radios anyway once you look at these numbers. Oh wait, where is JLO? :giggle:

Edited February 22, 2019 at 08:16 PM by Xpresso

February 22, 2019 at 08:16 PM

In 2007 TC was played on the radio and on VIVA (it was the biggest music video channel in Germany). But 2013 LMBTL went nowhere... Edited February 22, 2019 at 08:35 PM by comingback

February 22, 2019 at 09:29 PM

My opinion is that LBTL was a flop, I do not like the album, it was a total mess in his organization.

February 22, 2019 at 09:49 PM

Celine is bigger than Mariah everywhere outside Japan and USA, and sold more singles during 90s

If you add her concerts aura and figures, Céline surpasses Mariah by far; USA included...

February 22, 2019 at 10:28 PM

This was meant for Javito I'm sure!
Who needs radios anyway once you look at these numbers. Oh wait, where is JLO?

The FACT here is that it IS possible to be played on radios beyond 50 dear (and in some cases almost at 60 like Tom Jones with his smash hit Sex Bomb in 1999), but Céline stopped being played on radios internationally at ONLY 35 years old, but you delusional fan keep failing to admit and ignoring this FACT. I repeat again, it IS possible to be played on radios beyond 50 and have singles played internationally beyond your 50s, and Céline hasn't been played with an English single not even before reaching her 40s. And -big news!- this has nothing to do and goes beyond any success, records and legend status she has achieved in Vegas, concerts gross or how much money she still makes touring: still is a FACT she hasn't been played anymore in radios since 2003, however many of her fellows have been even in their 40s and 50s (Madonna and JLo). She is a legend, yet radios worldwide have ignored her all the time at barely 35. It only takes some reading and research to accept this, come on :rolleyes:

And why?? Because these artists all have taken their art more seriously and with more care than Céline, and when they want their songs to reach as much people as possible, 1) they care to promote them everywhere they go and 2) they release good videoclips to draw the attention. Céline has failed time and again to do both things with the two English studio albums she has released since One Heart.

Oh, and it's not that I care much about charts and radio airplay (again I didn't even start this discussion lol), but I'm honest enough to admit a fact when it's blatant before my eyes and admit I'd love her to be played with a new single on my local radio stations, same as every other fan (and you'd love it too btw :thumbsup2: )

And yes, Madonna and JLo also have a "career", Celine is not the only one to have achieved that in the business! :innocent:

Edited February 22, 2019 at 10:39 PM by Javito

February 22, 2019 at 10:45 PM

We are talking about female artists in 2019, not Tom Jones in 1999.

The music has changed a lot since! No, Madonna doesn't get much airplay and that for more than 10 years already.

Anyway, the YouTube charts show that people do want to listen to Celine, with or without radio support.

It's also quite interesting that Celine can still sell as many albums worldwide as Madonna - and with a French album no less.

As for JLo well we know she doesn't sell much even with decent latin radio support. All is well in Celine's sales department!

February 22, 2019 at 10:46 PM

The FACT here is that it IS possible to be played on radios beyond 50 dear (and in some cases almost at 60 like Tom Jones with his smash hit Sex Bomb in 1999), but Céline stopped being played on radios internationally at ONLY 35 years old, but you delusional fan keep failing to admit and ignoring this FACT. I repeat again, it IS possible to be played on radios beyond 50 and have singles played internationally beyond your 50s, and Céline hasn't been played with an English single not even before reaching her 40s. And -big news!- this has nothing to do and goes beyond any success, records and legend status she has achieved in Vegas, concerts gross or how much money she still makes touring: still is a FACT she hasn't been played anymore in radios since 2003, however many of her fellows have been even in their 40s and 50s (Madonna and JLo). She is a legend, yet radios worldwide have ignored her all the time at barely 35. It only takes some reading and research to accept this, come on

And why?? Because these artists all have taken their art more seriously and with more care than Céline, and when they want their songs to reach as much people as possible, 1) they care to promote them everywhere they go and 2) they release good videoclips to draw the attention. Céline has failed time and again to do both things with the two English studio albums she has released since One Heart.

Oh, and it's not that I care much about charts and radio airplay (again I didn't even start this discussion lol), but I'm honest enough to admit a fact when it's blatant before my eyes and admit I'd love her to be played with a new single on my local radio stations, same as every other fan (and you'd love it too btw )

And yes, Madonna and JLo also have a "career", Celine is not the only one to have achieved that in the business!

You managed to name one artist past 50 who has achieved that... good job.

Keep in mind 1999 was when radio was still the main source of charting and how you were successful. Nowadays streaming is key for everything, radio only counts for like 15% of any chart data

And Madonna has NOT been big on radio AT ALL lol. She went from being literally everywhere in the late 90s and early 2000s to being a ghost on the radio, only being played on “Oldies But Goldies” and “Throwback Thursday” shows on radio. JLO is only played on latin stations, 90% of her views come from YouTube and Streaming too....

Fact is, Celine needs to be streamed to get anywhere nowadays

And i say this with the best intention because i WISH sales would go back to pure buying sales and radio airplay.... but its true: No one cares about radio in this current generation.... no one. Sad as it is, people dont even listen to car radio anymore. Cars have bluetooth to connect to spotify and thats what my generation does, even people in their mid to late 20s do it too

Edited February 22, 2019 at 10:50 PM by Dion2000

February 22, 2019 at 11:00 PM

Excuse me? All her last singles from her albums have been heavily played, and her last collab with Coldplay "Hymn For The Weekend" has been played everywhere! Where do you guys live in, under a rock??

Since I have a 27 YO BF, I started to listen to the radio again everytime in my car, but I can not remember I've ever heard any Beyonce song anymore. They just play the songs from a really recent artist.

February 22, 2019 at 11:12 PM

I know. In Spain she was played until 2003 with IDAN, after that, all of a sudden, all radios stopped playing her following singles One Heart, You And I, Taking Chances, Alone, Eyes On Me, LMBTL... until today

In Indonesia, back in my home town, they stop playing Celine after IDAN, in my current city, which is capital city, I never heard TC or LMBTL on the radio, I don't think they play that song anyway, but Ashes was played in one of the biggest radio station for a younger generation, and it even got polling against Dua Lipa feat Rich Brian which is a young rapper from my country. Of course Dua Lipa win, but still.

But in smaller city LMBT got airplay. The thing is capital city radio station is more important for popularity.

February 22, 2019 at 11:34 PM

And Madonna has NOT been big on radio AT ALL lol. She went from being literally everywhere in the late 90s and early 2000s to being a ghost on the radio, only being played on “Oldies But Goldies” and “Throwback Thursday” shows on radio. JLO is only played on latin stations, 90% of her views come from YouTube and Streaming too....

That is a complete lie, Madonna was EVERYWHERE on radios in 2005 and 2008, at the age of 50. Her popularity went down after that. But I still heard Masterpiece and Living for Love on mainstream radios several times.

February 22, 2019 at 11:49 PM

I also heard Celine on some mainstream radios... once in a while... between 2003 and 2018.

February 22, 2019 at 11:56 PM

That is a complete lie, Madonna was EVERYWHERE on radios in 2005 and 2008, at the age of 50. Her popularity went down after that. But I still heard Masterpiece and Living for Love on mainstream radios several times.

Okay 2005 yes with her huge resurgence on Ray of Light but......... ray of light was the only thing that was played, however, i listened to the radio EVERY day, every morning with my mum from age 7 onward and not once do I remember Madonna on the radio. So no, not a complete lie try again

Madonna in 2008 was popular on YouTube due to the collaboration with Justin on 4 minutes, but it wasnt radio spammed. It was all over music Tv Charts.... not on radio

Edited February 22, 2019 at 11:58 PM by Dion2000

February 23, 2019 at 12:00 AM

That is a complete lie, Madonna was EVERYWHERE on radios in 2005 and 2008, at the age of 50. Her popularity went down after that. But I still heard Masterpiece and Living for Love on mainstream radios several times.

Whoa I didn't that Masterpiece song exist, I love it. Thank you.

February 23, 2019 at 12:18 AM

We are talking about female artists in 2019, not Tom Jones in 1999.
The music has changed a lot since! No, Madonna doesn't get much airplay and that for more than 10 years already.
Anyway, the YouTube charts show that people do want to listen to Celine, with or without radio support.

It's also quite interesting that Celine can still sell as many albums worldwide as Madonna - and with a French album no less.
As for JLo well we know she doesn't sell much even with decent latin radio support. All is well in Celine's sales department!

Madonna was 50 years old in 2009. Of course you have to go back to 2008 and 2009 to find Madonna having 50 years old, not in 2019 -_- :doh: So then in 2008, at 49, she had the single "4 Minutes" being a global radio hit, "Celebration" next year at 50, she received another more than decent radio airplay and was everywhere with the song, and "Girld Gone Wild" in 2012 was also played in dozens of countries and radios, at 53.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/list/499398/madonnas-40-biggest-billboard-hits

"Girl Gone Wild" reached the top-ten of the charts in Hungary, Israel, Italy, Russia, South Africa, South Korea and Spain, along with the Billboard digital charts in Greece. It debuted and peaked at number 38 on US Pop Songs due to radio airplay. It also became Madonna's 42nd number-one hit on the Hot Dance Club Songs chart."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Gone_Wild

At 53.

And we are talking about the supposed lack of radio airplay for singers past their 50s, -female or male-, which is untrue. There are few cases, but they are there.

And nobody focused the discussion just on females, that's just you again deviating the debate on your own purposes :rolleyes: :doh:

You managed to name one artist past 50 who has achieved that... good job.

Keep in mind 1999 was when radio was still the main source of charting and how you were successful. Nowadays streaming is key for everything, radio only counts for like 15% of any chart data

And Madonna has NOT been big on radio AT ALL lol. She went from being literally everywhere in the late 90s and early 2000s to being a ghost on the radio, only being played on "Oldies But Goldies" and "Throwback Thursday" shows on radio. JLO is only played on latin stations, 90% of her views come from YouTube and Streaming too....

Fact is, Celine needs to be streamed to get anywhere nowadays

And i say this with the best intention because i WISH sales would go back to pure buying sales and radio airplay.... but its true: No one cares about radio in this current generation.... no one. Sad as it is, people dont even listen to car radio anymore. Cars have bluetooth to connect to spotify and thats what my generation does, even people in their mid to late 20s do it too

I did manage to mention two actually, Madonna and JLo... And Thalía the other day (well she's 47, but you get my point)

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_me_acuerdo

Thank you. Thank God someone still knows how to add and substrack years in this discussion! :rolleyes: :doh:

February 23, 2019 at 12:26 AM

Okay 2005 yes with her huge resurgence on Ray of Light but......... ray of light was the only thing that was played, however, i listened to the radio EVERY day, every morning with my mum from age 7 onward and not once do I remember Madonna on the radio. So no, not a complete lie try again

Madonna in 2008 was popular on YouTube due to the collaboration with Justin on 4 minutes, but it wasnt radio spammed. It was all over music Tv Charts.... not on radio

2005 Ray Of Light?? LOL, the album was Confessions On A Dancefloor :wtf:

4 Minutes wasn't radio spammed?????? Jesus, it was #1 in the UK too, on BBC radio no less, among others!

4 Minutes is the UK #1

Sunday, 20 April 2008

Madonna's 4 Minutes has made it to #1 on the official UK Singles Chart. This is fantastic news, giving Madonna her 13th UK #1 and was based on download sales alone. With the physical CD single being released tomorrow, sales should continue to increase - check out the chart at www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles

4 Minutes stays #1 in the UK charts

Sunday, 27 April 2008

For the second week running Madonna's 4 Minutes is the UK's #1 single!

Check out the full chart at www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles

https://madonnalicio...ious/4_minutes/

Have you been living under a rock by then?? Oh wait, you were 7 years old :wtf: :doh: :doh: :doh: :giggle:

Edited February 23, 2019 at 12:27 AM by Javito

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