"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Moleque20]

Actually I am curious to see how many copies have FIY, D'eux, LTAL, etc. sold the past 10 years! Unfortunately it is very difficult to get therenumbers, we can only do estimations based on Spotify or similar platforms. Besided, Sony doesn't help much, there are many albums and singles that remain uncertified!

[Dion2000]

Actually I am curious to see how many copies have FIY, D'eux, LTAL, etc. sold the past 10 years! Unfortunately it is very difficult to get therenumbers, we can only do estimations based on Spotify or similar platforms. Besided, Sony doesn't help much, there are many albums and singles that remain uncertified!

 

 

Mariah and Celines 90s sales havent been updated since the early 2000s

[natrachata]

 

 

 

 

Celine literally sold 77 million records in 3 albums (LTAL sold 31 million, FIY sold 32 million and TAST sold around 13-14 million) not to mention she has the second biggest selling compilation of all time, ATW sold over 20,000,000 copies. In the 90s alone, she was the biggest selling female artist, selling over 120 million albums. Not to mention selling over 50,000,000 singles that decade too

 

Thank you!=)

[Moleque20]

Mariah and Celines 90s sales havent been updated since the early 2000s

 

That is sad! I am sure that songs like MHWGO, BYLM, IA, etc. or My All, We belong together, One sweet day etc. have gained several millions of downloads/streaming/views.

[Dion2000]

 

 

That is sad! I am sure that songs like MHWGO, BYLM, IA, etc. or My All, We belong together, One sweet day etc. have gained several millions of downloads/streaming/views.

 

Albums aswell. FIY is stuck at 32 million, but it gets millions of streams a month. Music Box for Mariah too.... stuck at 28 million

[Moleque20]

Albums aswell. FIY is stuck at 32 million, but it gets millions of streams a month. Music Box for Mariah too.... stuck at 28 million

 

It is sad and it is true.

[Peppercorn1991]

Stephan Moccio has been quiet about celine recently....

 

Kev x

[CSCfan]

Stephan Moccio has been quiet about celine recently....

 

Kev x

 

Maybe he's now as bummed as we are..

[Nmj]

Stephan Moccio has been quiet about celine recently....

 

Kev x

 

I noticed that as well; I wonder if the delay means a change of plans, maybe the songs are still coming in and being swapped out for others?

[Nmj]

Who cares about singles? Celine has literally sold the most ALBUMS of any other female artist in the world. Every other female artist’s sales are measured as “records” which is albums and singles combined. Celine still reigns supreme in the sales department. She didn’t have to rely on singles.

 

Not having to rely on singles is one thing. But singles do matter in my opinion.

Yes she had crazy success without the success of singles but having said that she is known for more of the album fillers.

 

Singles matter when it comes to hit songs, and songs people want to hear on the radio. That’s why Mariah Carey has had the success she has had, she may not sell albums well but she had a complete entire show in Vegas of every single number one song from her career. She filled an entire set list with all number 1s, not a fan of Mariah’s but that’s insane!

 

Especially today singles matter, nobody has to buy the entire “LTAL” album to be able to hear MHWGO anymore, nobody has to buy the entire FIY album just to hear BYLM anymore, Times have changed.

 

And though Celine has had a great career she still could’ve had more hits and less album fillers if SONY did their job to focus more on singles than they did especially in the 90s.

[felicia]

The last weeks the focus is on his own album

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtmSqnsASoy/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=11935hrj72f08

[ordinary fan]

The reality I fear (and it's already been touched upon) is that they have no idea what to do. In the past 3 years we've had Queen covers, Disney songs and a song for an "adult" Marvel movie. The album, when it arrives, is likely to be another LMBTL in that it will have everything. I have no idea what they're scared of. If the album "flops" but has a clear coherent theme and style that's not a bad thing. It'll just show them to try something different the next time.

I think the don´t know what to do remains on celine´s team side, they can´t promote the songs on radio stations etc.... Sony simply has to do their job! Finally again, after more than 16 years! It´s just disrespectful to Celine + her team and her fans (us), to just ignore her work since 2003. Sony has to promote her singles on radio stations and chose also only the radio friendly ones. And I also don´t understand the attitude of Sony. Even a Celine album flobs (on Celine standards), because it "only" sells 1,5 millions, it still shows, that she still sells a lot without promotion. So my point is, with promotion, a celine album would be on the top of the charts worldwide and they could make even more money...I think it´s all about the money (but not when it comes to celine, it seems?) Sony I don´t understand your attitude. Do your job and everyone will gain profit of it big time! Edited February 20, 2019 at 05:17 PM by ordinary fan

[Javito]

Not having to rely on singles is one thing. But singles do matter in my opinion.

Yes she had crazy success without the success of singles but having said that she is known for more of the album fillers.

 

Singles matter when it comes to hit songs, and songs people want to hear on the radio. That’s why Mariah Carey has had the success she has had, she may not sell albums well but she had a complete entire show in Vegas of every single number one song from her career. She filled an entire set list with all number 1s, not a fan of Mariah’s but that’s insane!

 

Especially today singles matter, nobody has to buy the entire “LTAL” album to be able to hear MHWGO anymore, nobody has to buy the entire FIY album just to hear BYLM anymore, Times have changed.

 

And though Celine has had a great career she still could’ve had more hits and less album fillers if SONY did their job to focus more on singles than they did especially in the 90s.

 

Aaaaand that's why it is so essential to accompany the single with a video release too these days... And when was the last time Céline released one for n English single?? (Not including the movie project for Ashes) :innocent:

Edited February 20, 2019 at 05:57 PM by Javito

[CSCfan]

Aaaaand that's why it is so essential to accompany the single with a video release too these days... And when was the last time Céline released one an English single?? (Not including the movie project for Ashes) :innocent:

 

5 YEARS AGO!

 

Her lucky number :wub:

[joaofilho]

Times have changed, today the success is based on singles, on the previews of the singles on youtube and streming. I think it is important that she lace a strong and successful single.

See the medium success that Ashes had, he almost did not enter the hot 100 on the billboard, that's why he sprecisam invest in singles and music videos.

[Dion2000]

 

 

Not having to rely on singles is one thing. But singles do matter in my opinion.

Yes she had crazy success without the success of singles but having said that she is known for more of the album fillers.

 

Singles matter when it comes to hit songs, and songs people want to hear on the radio. That’s why Mariah Carey has had the success she has had, she may not sell albums well but she had a complete entire show in Vegas of every single number one song from her career. She filled an entire set list with all number 1s, not a fan of Mariah’s but that’s insane!

 

Especially today singles matter, nobody has to buy the entire “LTAL” album to be able to hear MHWGO anymore, nobody has to buy the entire FIY album just to hear BYLM anymore, Times have changed.

 

And though Celine has had a great career she still could’ve had more hits and less album fillers if SONY did their job to focus more on singles than they did especially in the 90s.

 

 

Mariah had all those #1s from 1990-1996 BECAUSE she was married to the most powerful man in music who rigged the BBH100 all the time. Not to mention discounting her singles to $0.79 when most singles were like $2

[Nmj]

 

 

 

Mariah had all those #1s from 1990-1996 BECAUSE she was married to the most powerful man in music who rigged the BBH100 all the time. Not to mention discounting her singles to $0.79 when most singles were like $2

 

Come on, I’m no fan of Mariah; but you can’t take away her success. She had number ones because she had talent and a team with a vision.

[Javito]

I hate Tommy Mottola. He's the main reason why Mariah had all her albums and singles released on vinyl and Céline didn't :bangin:

[Dion2000]

 

 

Come on, I’m no fan of Mariah; but you can’t take away her success. She had number ones because she had talent and a team with a vision.

 

Her success was literally based on her marraige. Thats a fact.

 

Think about it.

 

One Sweet Day stayed at #1 for 16 weeks and yet when it was played to people between 14 and 18.... they had no idea what it was. You dont have a single stay at 1 for 16 weeks and yet no one from the 90s remembers it either. All the people ive spoken too whether it be family or friends who were ages 10 and up in the 90s have no clue what that song is

 

 

And not to mention its been proven time and again that Tommy Mottola was the biggest chart rigger, so he wouldbe rigged anything for his money maker Mariah.

 

Not to mention that she had only 4 #1s after her and tommys divorce, one of which reached #1 because it was counted as a B Side to We Belong Together (her Butterfly era she was still with tommy until 1998)

 

18 #1s and youre lucky if people know Hero and We Belong Together

 

 

Celine has had 4 US #1s and many teens know IACBTMN,TPOL,BYLM,MHWGO,IDAN and Im Alive as shown on teens react...

Edited February 20, 2019 at 06:51 PM by Dion2000

[comingback]

Her success was literally based on her marraige. Thats a fact.

 

Think about it.

 

One Sweet Day stayed at #1 for 16 weeks and yet when it was played to people between 14 and 18.... they had no idea what it was. You dont have a single stay at 1 for 16 weeks and yet no one from the 90s remembers it either. All the people ive spoken too whether it be family or friends who were ages 10 and up in the 90s have no clue what that song is

 

 

And not to mention its been proven time and again that Tommy Mottola was the biggest chart rigger, so he wouldbe rigged anything for his money maker Mariah.

 

Not to mention that she had only 4 #1s after her and tommys divorce, one of which reached #1 because it was counted as a B Side to We Belong Together (her Butterfly era she was still with tommy until 1998)

 

18 #1s and youre lucky if people know Hero and We Belong Together

 

 

Celine has had 4 US #1s and many teens know IACBTMN,TPOL,BYLM,MHWGO,IDAN and Im Alive as shown on teens react...

 

Yes, there is a rumor that he boycotted BYLM, so that Mariah's ABMB could reach No1. But nevertheless you can't deny Mariah's talent.

I was a teen in the 90s and I know all Mariah's big hits.

Yes, Mottola was a bad #ss, but Celine and Mariah were the Queens of the 90s and Sony was a part of it.

 

 

 

http://www.planetthalia.com/SodiMottola/tommy_mottola_thalia_vanity_fair_small.jpguis

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Her success was literally based on her marraige. Thats a fact.

 

Think about it.

 

One Sweet Day stayed at #1 for 16 weeks and yet when it was played to people between 14 and 18.... they had no idea what it was. You dont have a single stay at 1 for 16 weeks and yet no one from the 90s remembers it either. All the people ive spoken too whether it be family or friends who were ages 10 and up in the 90s have no clue what that song is

 

 

And not to mention its been proven time and again that Tommy Mottola was the biggest chart rigger, so he wouldbe rigged anything for his money maker Mariah.

 

Not to mention that she had only 4 #1s after her and tommys divorce, one of which reached #1 because it was counted as a B Side to We Belong Together (her Butterfly era she was still with tommy until 1998)

 

18 #1s and youre lucky if people know Hero and We Belong Together

 

 

Celine has had 4 US #1s and many teens know IACBTMN,TPOL,BYLM,MHWGO,IDAN and Im Alive as shown on teens react...

 

 

I was 9 years old when “One Sweet Day” was released, and I can tell you that all of the people I went to school with most definitely know the song. It was Mariah and one of the biggest R&B groups of the 90s. Idk who you talk to, but that song was everywhere, and everyone knew the song.

[maki_Dion-er]

There's an article about Mariah's Billboard chart manipulations. I don't remember the source but I read it not long ago. Regardless, she is one of the top singers of the 90s.

 

Speaking for myself, I only know about 4 of her songs but I knew all of Celine's big hits and even some of her less known songs way before I became a fan. Ofc, it all has to do with your household imo, my mom and family loved Celine so that's probably how I was exposed to her music (all I know is I don't remember actively listening to her songs unless it was BATB).

 

No matter the case, Celine has a much broader and global appeal than Mariah imo. And I think that is very important and relevant to the music industry in this age.

 

[angelil78]

There's an article about Mariah's Billboard chart manipulations. I don't remember the source but I read it not long ago. Regardless, she is one of the top singers of the 90s.

 

Speaking for myself, I only know about 4 of her songs but I knew all of Celine's big hits and even some of her less known songs way before I became a fan. Ofc, it all has to do with your household imo, my mom and family loved Celine so that's probably how I was exposed to her music (all I know is I don't remember actively listening to her songs unless it was BATB).

 

No matter the case, Celine has a much broader and global appeal than Mariah imo. And I think that is very important and relevant to the music industry in this age.

 

Agree, I think Céline has way more global appeal than Mariah. She's not selling well internationally and I've heard that only her Christmas concerts are popular.

[nowanorris]

I was 9 years old when "One Sweet Day" was released, and I can tell you that all of the people I went to school with most definitely know the song. It was Mariah and one of the biggest R&B groups of the 90s. Idk who you talk to, but that song was everywhere, and everyone knew the song.

 

For sure - that song was HUGE!!! I was 15 years old when it came out and it was playing on the radio every single hour. I'm no Mariah "fan", but admittedly, One Sweet Day was a really great song.

[natrachata]

I love Celine the most but I'll be honest with you Mariah was bigger than Celine here in Asia in the 90s. God, please don't hate me while all my friends were singing Heart Breaker in English class I was singing Thats The Way It Is!!!😆🌹

[actofcontrition]

I was 9 years old when "One Sweet Day" was released, and I can tell you that all of the people I went to school with most definitely know the song. It was Mariah and one of the biggest R&B groups of the 90s. Idk who you talk to, but that song was everywhere, and everyone knew the song.

 

Song was release in 1995 and Dion2000 was born.. in 2000 so he doesnt know anything about the impact of that song. Even if I hate mariah music and attitude, I can tell it was a huge success and 1 of the 3 only songs I like from her.

[Dion2000]

 

 

Song was release in 1995 and Dion2000 was born.. in 2000 so he doesnt know anything about the impact of that song. Even if I hate mariah music and attitude, I can tell it was a huge success and 1 of the 3 only songs I like from her.

 

 

All 3 of my siblings were aged between 10 and 14 when that song came out..... they remember that no one knew that song.

 

 

Everyone responding trying to prove me wrong is from the states, its obvious YOU will remember it if it was shoved down your throats for 16 weeks by Mr Motorola

Edited February 20, 2019 at 09:25 PM by Dion2000

[angelil78]

For sure - that song was HUGE!!! I was 15 years old when it came out and it was playing on the radio every single hour. I'm no Mariah "fan", but admittedly, One Sweet Day was a really great song.

 

I can't even remember that song but looking at the charts it only came in number one in US, Canada and NewZealand. UK it came in number on in the R&B chart only.

Austria and Germany in 25th place, Iceland 20th, Japan 87 haha. There are a few number 2 spots but it didn't really top the charts I'd say.

 

For some reason that are explainable she's popular in US.

 

But for Céline it seems like she's a stable all around the world.

 

Ok I've spent enough time thinking about MC for 2019....

[gafsa]

 

 

I can't even remember that song but looking at the charts it only came in number one in US, Canada and NewZealand. UK it came in number on in the R&B chart only.

Austria and Germany in 25th place, Iceland 20th, Japan 87 haha. There are a few number 2 spots but it didn't really top the charts I'd say.

 

For some reason that are explainable she's popular in US.

 

But for Céline it seems like she's a stable all around the world.

 

Ok I've spent enough time thinking about MC for 2019....

 

That popularity is debatable though, when someone said in 90's Mimi is more huge than Celine in Asia and gave example about TTWII against Heartbreak, I literally search on YouTube which song it is, I do remember that song, but that song is not huge in my country, and I never heard anymore in the radio or public places unlike TTWII which sometimes it played on radio or public places or even in singing talent search tv program to this day. So I think it depends in which country.

[nowanorris]

I can't even remember that song but looking at the charts it only came in number one in US, Canada and NewZealand. UK it came in number on in the R&B chart only.

Austria and Germany in 25th place, Iceland 20th, Japan 87 haha. There are a few number 2 spots but it didn't really top the charts I'd say.

 

For some reason that are explainable she's popular in US.

 

But for Céline it seems like she's a stable all around the world.

 

Ok I've spent enough time thinking about MC for 2019....

 

Buahahahaha! Def enough MC for 2019. My brain needs to be washed with soap now. LOL I remember whenever that song came on back in 1995 I'd sing along and cringe at the same time because I disliked her SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much! I think this is enough MC talk for maybe even the next five years or so!?

 

No doubt Celine is the worldwide, CLASSY queen.