"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Javito]

The playback for all by myself in 2011 was just the anymoooooooore not the other huge belt at the end which in of itself is harder than the entirety of ANDHC (the song)

 

See? And you deffend that one performance that includes playback use over 2002 vocally flawless performances that are totally live in its entirety? That use of playback on the highest note already invalidates your point when comparing it with any other totally live performance, be it 2002 or 2006 or 1998. At least give us a totally live performance right?

 

Once again the notes in RDMH,LCMM and Purple Rain arent screams they are upper belts and ad libs. Yall are literally so hateful oversomething you dont understand

 

Yeah, must be that... that's why LOADS of fans here can't stand precisely those songs because of the annoying screaming she does. What you call "upper belts" and "adlibs" in these songs aren't enjoyed for many fans here who admit Purple Rain and LCMM and RDMH need a rest if she's unable to sing the lyrics properly instead of adding that random "scratching" screaming sounds.

 

Must be very a very nice and professional way of singing when these fans that usually swallow all video bootlegs of her shows they admit they skip those songs precisely because of that "belting" right?

 

Anyway... I give up

Edited August 11, 2018 at 10:08 AM by Javito

[CSCfan]

I was there on opening night March 15, 2011 and her voice was absolutele pristine.

She was actively working with a vocal coach before her 2nd residency started and you could tell.. she sounded flawless.

The one thing I remember from that show is being shocked how well she sounded. And again: I was there. No bootlegs, no hearsay, but live.

Edited August 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM by CSCfan

[Javito]

I'm not questioning that, she probably was. But saying a 2011 performance that already has playback use is far better than her voice in 2002 where she performed completely live is just an understatement.

 

You may not like the 2002 performances, you may not like the songs she performed and love the 2011 Vegas show instead, but to say her voice in 2011 was better than in 2002 is absurd, for the simple reason that in 2002 her voice was younger and rested and the videos just prove that. And without vocal training.

 

I could take in 2011 she came back with a voice in great shape, like never before in years. But better than 2002? After all the Vegas exhaustion from 2003-2007, a world tour, 10 years older and everything in between? No way... It's a powerful voice, rested (as it was in 2002 after her hiatus) and exercised, but stronger, flawless and solid as she was in the ANDHC promo? If only!... Close, but not even the same.

 

Open Arms from the 2011 Vegas show. A strong voice, no doubt, but already showing the nasality she acquired during the first Vegas residency. That was an habit back then that in 2002 she didn't have at all (and now it's present on almost every performance she does). And in this video I don't know why but it sounds as if they used the same voice effect as in the TCWT DVD during TPOL, editing her voice as if she had auto-tune

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qBeZ4OY2H0

 

Here Céline performing L'envie d'aimer (The Greatest Reward original version) in 2002. No nasality at all.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfIt8KlHbWQ

 

Here performing MHWGO in Operazione Trionfo Italy, making whatever she wanted with her voice, but no nasality at all (2:00)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Tl-2it5sg

 

I'm Alive in the CBS TV Special, the first ever live performance of the song. Flawless.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_Vd0lcUBg

 

I'm Alive @ La fureur, almost replicating the studio version. Flawless

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQVEZd5SAtM

Edited August 11, 2018 at 10:58 AM by Javito

[agentwigs]

Let's not forget Cher was approaching 50 when she went down the dance music route. She's still doing it in her 70's... so there's still time for Céline to experiment if and when she decides to go down that route!

 

Edited August 11, 2018 at 10:57 AM by agentwigs

[Javito]

Let's not forget Cher was approaching 50 when she went down the dance music route. She's still doing it in her 70's... so there's still time for Céline to experiment if and when she decides to go down that route!

 

True! But Cher is not abusing her voice and overusing it year after year performing hundreds of shows per year. Céline is, tirelessly since 2003 and touring every year now. That takes a toll in the voice too.

[CSCfan]

Que sera sera....

[Davey84]

Celine could have dropped a Queen cover album years ago... she mentioned that in For Keeps. I dunno why she didn't do it. René? no interest from Sony? No stamina from Celine? I guess we'll never know.

 

I'm still hoping for a November release... But I think Spring 2019 is a saver bet

 

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[mirage]

To be honest...

 

Seeing her live in Bangkok, i don't know where you getting the 'that takes a toll in the voice'

 

She still sounds absolutely amazing!! Yes she maybe changes a few notes here and there, and develops new techniques to still hit some amazing notes.

 

But we really can't complain.

 

And trust me, all those recordings you see, even the 'offical' ones like I'm Alive.

She doesn't sound like that when you are sitting in the audience.

 

 

 

True! But Cher is not abusing her voice and overusing it year after year performing hundreds of shows per year. Céline is, tirelessly since 2003 and touring every year now. That takes a toll in the voice too.

[celinesounds]

Celine should do an English Version to the new album of this song, written by her

 

i think the the lyrics suit her

 

[Holborn]

Yes bro. I' m singling out the negative things 'cos that's exactly what you're doing with Javito and vice versa. He is saying "oh i think this performance was better than the one you say" and then you tell him why he is wrong by pointing out that her voice at that particular performance/year was weak and then he does the same with performances you wanna use as your arguments. Ofc in the performances you like more you say good things..actually, in the performances you want to use as your arguments, you are being even more excited 'cos they serve your goal. But that's not the point here. You said to him to find a performance with better vocals than the one you think is best, he did, then you laugh at his argument and go on explaining why it's not as good as he thinks by pointing out his errors (which is just a matter of personal taste). So, you too singled out the negative things of the performances that Jav posted you.. So what's the difference?

 

 

In the end, you both managed to make each other favorite Celine's performances seem less in order to disprove each other arguments (which was my initial statement). Also, the underlying part of the head voice thing is not negative per se, but the notion of how extremely easy is to do what she is doing is just hilarious..'cos it's not. By saying something is extremely easy you make it look less by not realising/admiting the skill it takes for a singer to do that. If it was so darn easy, then everyone would be doing it so perfectly and effortlessly as Celine does. It's not extremely easy, not everyone can do it and from the few who can, even fewer can do it as easy and perfect as she does, to the point it seems effortless.

 

 

"Dont drag my name into criticism of her innovation,creativity or decade achievements as i wasnt even talking then and i never complain about any of that anyway."

 

I didn't...maybe you should learn to read before saying to me to actually read next time. It was just the general spirit of the discussion that had preceded this "cockfight" between the two of you, thus i said, that after all that, now we moved on to criticizing her vocals.

 

 

"So basically all i did was call celine vocally terrible and hate on her. OKAY. FINE."

 

Like how you came to that conclusion i have no idea...

 

 

"As for the alpha male thing, wow okay. Youre SOOOO dramatic. Egoism ?? Me ?? No"

 

Am i the dramatic one, when post after post you use eye-bleeding caps and over-reacting?

 

 

"And elitist REALLY ?!?!?! Now that is bull, im not an elitist, never have been never will be and to be honest the only elitist here is you. HYPOCRITE."

 

lol @ the HYPOCRITE part. Well unlike you, i have not so far tried to make myself look smarter or better than the rest of the people here...which you have been doing in a lot of your posts, when you are trying to argue with them and convince them why you are right and they are wrong. Why the x performance is worse than the one you like and what should be a perfect performance (in your mind). It's not about having an opinion, it's about arguing vigorously about what you think is the best, without realising what's best for you, isn't necessarily the best for others. Just learn to state your opinion and move on. No need to make others agree with you by pointing out all the little details (e.g. Few days ago i really liked a CHFIL performance which you didn't. It's ok.We can disagree. No need to write down an essay pointing out why this particular performance isn't great and making me feel kinda sh*t by giving out the minutes and seconds that Celine did somehting you found bad or less special and how some of her eeee and oooo and aaaa were scratchier, unstable or a raspy mess as you had said, how they weren't perfectly separated, were unsupported, there were cracks and so on. I respected your opinion that day. It was what you thought and was ok by me. I didn't had the urge to make you look like a deaftone and blatantly ignorant person. Don't mistake the argo definition of elitist with the literal one.

 

 

“to make yourself look high and mighty as you fight the patriarchy” and take down “the elitists”

 

What the actual fack? Now that's drama and bull as you say.

 

 

"In a celine forum, where we discuss celine issues, celine subjects and celine tales, where we debate these and put out our own opinion and lay our case but im dragging celine into it ?? If thats how you think this went down then you need to google how forums like this work"

 

First of all, i don't know if you are indeed 18 years old or not, but i am 31 and i know exactly how forums work and i have been in forums way longer that you have (if you are 18) and have spent countless hours in them (not talking about this specific forum ofc). Secondly, unfortunately you are not the first nor the last person who is behaving like this in the forums, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable to me. Third, "where we debate these and put out our own opinion and lay our case". Chill. We are not in a debate class in college. Don't take it so personally and start pinpointing stuff right and left.There is no rationality in music and artistic performances, there is no objectivity, there is no universal truth. You are not given the subject "Trump is the worst US president ever" in order for you to "lay your case". To me, art and music have no rights and wrongs. You might pinpoint few srtained notes and from there try to establish your "case", when some other vocal parts (that matter more to me), the emotional performance of the song, the artist's face and gestures, the audience's responce or participation, the melisma throughout the perfomance and the whole feeling in general, take the spotlight away from the vocal perfection. It's like debating whether Celine is beautifull or not by using as an argument that her facial analogies are not optimal.

 

 

Anyway, i think you do are 18,which is great and i wish i were 18 as well. But your hormones are a bit over the top and you are still in a "that" age phase (you'll understand what i'm saying now in the future). I know how it is, been there done that. Also yesterday you said "It's my celine period lol" so i understand you. I am not attacking you personally, i don't think you are stupid or ignorant, i don't actually offend you, i don't have animosity toward you and i don't underestimate your knowledge and intellect. I respect your musical preferences. And that's why i had never so far gotten into a debate with you. Because i can't debate the personal likes and dislikes of someone else. Debating subjective things is futile.

 

 

PS: and i'm only saying this 'cos i have seen you doing it more than a few times (some others are doing it also)...telling people "learn to read", "check the definition", "google it", "blatant ignorant", "have some respect of yourself" etc. it's not polite nor part of any decent debate.

 

PS2: Calling me an hypocrite and the only elitist here, besides not being polite nor true, is also unsubstantial. I haven't gotten in any discussion where i try to argue about anything as a matter of fact or try to prove that my opinions are correct. I just post a video/photo and say i love it without getting into any further details, or respond to members' questions. So, honestly, how would you know whether or not i am these things if you have no proofs? I'll tell you something you did though and i really disliked, when you had re-posted the fake 2019 tour dates saying can't be real 'cos of this and that and i joked and said that in that fake thing she is giving performances at the same time in two different countries. And in your first responce, you told me that i was reading the spreadsheet wrong and i was mistaken/confused, implying that i'm too dumb to read a freaking spreadsheet...You edited that post by putting just two smiley faces but it didn't matter to me..i had read your initial one and in that one you actually made me feel bad and stressed. And frankly, it would have been way more honest (and less hypocritical maybe?) if you had just edited the post, without deleting your false accusation and what was a lack of observational skills at that particular moment (Saying that 'cos you stated that you are just being honest and observant in that "debate" of why CHFIL is not good, in case you don't make the connection).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Omg thats literally not what its about. Its not lessering her performances everything i compare to is Celines performances. I never say "celine sounds trash there" i always say "shes not at her usual self". Youre literally ONLY singling out the things i said that were negative (The head dominant mix thing wasnt even a negative or degrading her tho ??? So i dont know why you have that there. Actually read next time) how many times did i say "she slayed here" "she sounded amazing"

 

 

Dont drag my name into criticism of her innovation,creativity or decade achievements as i wasnt even talking then and i never complain about any of that anyway.

 

NEVER ONCE DID I LESSER HER ABILITIES WOW YOU KNOW NOTHING. Its a fact of vocal pedagogy literally ask Tyler1991, he knows what im on about. When you make it head dominant its far far easier to hit them than with a balanced mix.

 

So basically all i did was call celine vocally terrible and hate on her. OKAY. FINE.

 

 

As for the alpha male thing, wow okay. Youre SOOOO dramatic. Egoism ?? Me ?? No. How many times have i admitted i was wrong? How many times have i learned from other people and took that used that later?? Oh yeah.. ALL THE TIME.

 

 

And elitist REALLY ?!?!?! Now that is bull, im not an elitist, never have been never will be and to be honest the only elitist here is you. Taking everything out of context and trying to make yourself look high and mighty as you "fight the patriarchy" and take down "the elitists" when actually, all you do is place yourseld above others. HYPOCRITE.

 

 

 

"'No need to "drag" celine into this"

 

In a celine forum, where we discuss celine issues, celine subjects and celine tales, where we debate these and put out our own opinion and lay our case but im dragging celine into it ?? If thats how you think this went down then you need to google how forums like this work

[Dion2000]

I'm not questioning that, she probably was. But saying a 2011 performance that already has playback use is far better than her voice in 2002 where she performed completely live is just an understatement.

 

You may not like the 2002 performances, you may not like the songs she performed and love the 2011 Vegas show instead, but to say her voice in 2011 was better than in 2002 is absurd, for the simple reason that in 2002* her voice was younger and rested and the videos just prove that. And without vocal training.*

 

I could take in 2011 she came back with a voice in great shape, like never before in years. But better than 2002? After all the Vegas exhaustion from 2003-2007, a world tour, 10 years older and everything in between? No way... It's a powerful voice, rested (as it was in 2002 after her hiatus) and exercised, but stronger, flawless and solid as she was in the ANDHC promo? If only!... Close, but not even the same.

 

Open Arms from the 2011 Vegas show. A strong voice, no doubt, but already showing the nasality she acquired during the first Vegas residency. That was an habit back then that in 2002 she didn't have at all (and now it's present on almost every performance she does). And in this video I don't know why but it sounds as if they used the same voice effect as in the TCWT DVD during TPOL, editing her voice as if she had auto-tune

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qBeZ4OY2H0

 

Here Céline performing L'envie d'aimer (The Greatest Reward original version) in 2002. No nasality at all.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfIt8KlHbWQ

 

Here performing MHWGO in Operazione Trionfo Italy, making whatever she wanted with her voice, but no nasality at all (2:00)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Tl-2it5sg

 

I'm Alive in the CBS TV Special, the first ever live performance of the song. Flawless.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_Vd0lcUBg

 

I'm Alive @ La fureur, almost replicating the studio version. Flawless

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQVEZd5SAtM

 

 

 

Dude..... in 2002 she did TONNES of vocal training. She literally said herself she was working day and night and hoping that her voice was still there and during the recording of ANDHC she was constantly going on about her vocal coach and training sooo nope.

 

 

Once again you over state by miles. They arent annoying, they arent screaming and there are also many people here who do like them and you act as if no one likes anything from those songs or this current residency at all.

 

 

If you want supposedly 100% live and unedited just compare her 2011 vegas performance of The Prayer to the 2002 world children’s performance. Her voice is NOT nasal at all and is so open and free.

 

If we want to compare french songs then here we go :

 

 

 

 

 

That performance of Terre is extremely powerful with literally no nasality what so ever, 2 and a half years into the residency and before you say its not in vegas, this was DIRECTLY after a full leg of vegas and half way through the tour

 

 

You also forget in 2002, yes she was doing lots of promo but 1 or 2 songs at a time spread out with many days of rest betwen. She wasnt doing anything more than 3 songs a day so how are we supposed to know what her voice would have been like if she was actually doing it in a concert setting with 18-20 songs a show.

 

 

So the fact is, that Celine did that EPIC performance of All By Myself DURING a leg of shows, half way through the show. So how can we compare that to a performance of 1 song (im alive) thats nowhere near the difficulty of All By Myself and she did Im alive by itself, like you cant compare something after singing over 10 songs to something that was just a singular performance with no other strains

 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2018 at 12:12 PM by Dion2000

[celinesounds]

Celine could have dropped a Queen cover album years ago... she mentioned that in For Keeps. I dunno why she didn't do it. René? no interest from Sony? No stamina from Celine? I guess we'll never know.

 

I'm still hoping for a November release... But I think Spring 2019 is a saver bet

 

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Maybe Abba never allow Celine to Cover them and thanks GOD

 

just missing the Spanish album with a song in Portuguese :innocent: :innocent:

 

 

Why not a Tina Album or a Donna Summer Tribute with great Djays and producers

Edited August 11, 2018 at 12:07 PM by celinesounds

[celinesounds]

True! But Cher is not abusing her voice and overusing it year after year performing hundreds of shows per year. Céline is, tirelessly since 2003 and touring every year now. That takes a toll in the voice too.

 

Well she has done a lot of concerts too

 

 

A Celebration at Caesars Palace - 125 shows

Believe Tour- 121 shows

Living Proof: The Farewell Tour - 326 shows

Dressed to Kill - 49 shows

Cher - 192 Shows

Classic Cher - 87 shows

 

 

https://en.wikipedia...f_Cher_concerts

 

this is just a few

Edited August 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM by celinesounds

[Dion2000]

Yes bro. I' m singling out the negative things 'cos that's exactly what you're doing with Javito and vice versa. He is saying "oh i think this performance was better than the one you say" and then you tell him why he is wrong by pointing out that her voice at that particular performance/year was weak and then he does the same with performances you wanna use as your arguments. Ofc in the performances you like more you say good things..actually, in the performances you want to use as your arguments, you are being even more excited 'cos they serve your goal. But that's not the point here. You said to him to find a performance with better vocals than the one you think is best, he did, then you laugh at his argument and go on explaining why it's not as good as he thinks by pointing out his errors (which is just a matter of personal taste). So, you too singled out the negative things of the performances that Jav posted you.. So what's the difference?

 

 

In the end, you both managed to make each other favorite Celine's performances seem less in order to disprove each other arguments (which was my initial statement). Also, the underlying part of the head voice thing is not negative per se, but the notion of how extremely easy is to do what she is doing is just hilarious..'cos it's not. By saying something is extremely easy you make it look less by not realising/admiting the skill it takes for a singer to do that. If it was so darn easy, then everyone would be doing it so perfectly and effortlessly as Celine does. It's not extremely easy, not everyone can do it and from the few who can, even fewer can do it as easy and perfect as she does, to the point it seems effortless.

 

 

"Dont drag my name into criticism of her innovation,creativity or decade achievements as i wasnt even talking then and i never complain about any of that anyway."

 

I didn't...maybe you should learn to read before saying to me to actually read next time. It was just the general spirit of the discussion that had preceded this "cockfight" between the two of you, thus i said, that after all that, now we moved on to criticizing her vocals.

 

 

"So basically all i did was call celine vocally terrible and hate on her. OKAY. FINE."

 

Like how you came to that conclusion i have no idea...

 

 

"As for the alpha male thing, wow okay. Youre SOOOO dramatic. Egoism ?? Me ?? No"

 

Am i the dramatic one, when post after post you use eye-bleeding caps and over-reacting?

 

 

"And elitist REALLY ?!?!?! Now that is bull, im not an elitist, never have been never will be and to be honest the only elitist here is you. HYPOCRITE."

 

lol @ the HYPOCRITE part. Well unlike you, i have not so far tried to make myself look smarter or better than the rest of the people here...which you have been doing in a lot of your posts, when you are trying to argue with them and convince them why you are right and they are wrong. Why the x performance is worse than the one you like and what should be a perfect performance (in your mind). It's not about having an opinion, it's about arguing vigorously about what you think is the best, without realising what's best for you, isn't necessarily the best for others. Just learn to state your opinion and move on. No need to make others agree with you by pointing out all the little details (e.g. Few days ago i really liked a CHFIL performance which you didn't. It's ok.We can disagree. No need to write down an essay pointing out why this particular performance isn't great and making me feel kinda sh*t by giving out the minutes and seconds that Celine did somehting you found bad or less special and how some of her eeee and oooo and aaaa were scratchier, unstable or a raspy mess as you had said, how they weren't perfectly separated, were unsupported, there were cracks and so on. I respected your opinion that day. It was what you thought and was ok by me. I didn't had the urge to make you look like a deaftone and blatantly ignorant person. Don't mistake the argo definition of elitist with the literal one.

 

 

“to make yourself look high and mighty as you fight the patriarchy” and take down “the elitists”

 

What the actual fack? Now that's drama and bull as you say.

 

 

"In a celine forum, where we discuss celine issues, celine subjects and celine tales, where we debate these and put out our own opinion and lay our case but im dragging celine into it ?? If thats how you think this went down then you need to google how forums like this work"

 

First of all, i don't know if you are indeed 18 years old or not, but i am 31 and i know exactly how forums work and i have been in forums way longer that you have (if you are 18) and have spent countless hours in them (not talking about this specific forum ofc). Secondly, unfortunately you are not the first nor the last person who is behaving like this in the forums, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable to me. Third, "where we debate these and put out our own opinion and lay our case". Chill. We are not in a debate class in college. Don't take it so personally and start pinpointing stuff right and left.There is no rationality in music and artistic performances, there is no objectivity, there is no universal truth. You are not given the subject "Trump is the worst US president ever" in order for you to "lay your case". To me, art and music have no rights and wrongs. You might pinpoint few srtained notes and from there try to establish your "case", when some other vocal parts (that matter more to me), the emotional performance of the song, the artist's face and gestures, the audience's responce or participation, the melisma throughout the perfomance and the whole feeling in general, take the spotlight away from the vocal perfection. It's like debating whether Celine is beautifull or not by using as an argument that her facial analogies are not optimal.

 

 

Anyway, i think you do are 18,which is great and i wish i were 18 as well. But your hormones are a bit over the top and you are still in a "that" age phase (you'll understand what i'm saying now in the future). I know how it is, been there done that. Also yesterday you said "It's my celine period lol" so i understand you. I am not attacking you personally, i don't think you are stupid or ignorant, i don't actually offend you, i don't have animosity toward you and i don't underestimate your knowledge and intellect. I respect your musical preferences. And that's why i had never so far gotten into a debate with you. Because i can't debate the personal likes and dislikes of someone else. Debating subjective things is futile.

 

 

PS: and i'm only saying this 'cos i have seen you doing it more than a few times (some others are doing it also)...telling people "learn to read", "check the definition", "google it", "blatant ignorant", "have some respect of yourself" etc. it's not polite nor part of any decent debate.

 

PS2: Calling me an hypocrite and the only elitist here, besides not being polite nor true, is also unsubstantial. I haven't gotten in any discussion where i try to argue about anything as a matter of fact or try to prove that my opinions are correct. I just post a video/photo and say i love it without getting into any further details, or respond to members' questions. So, honestly, how would you know whether or not i am these things if you have no proofs? I'll tell you something you did though and i really disliked, when you had re-posted the fake 2019 tour dates saying can't be real 'cos of this and that and i joked and said that in that fake thing she is giving performances at the same time in two different countries. And in your first responce, you told me that i was reading the spreadsheet wrong and i was mistaken/confused, implying that i'm too dumb to read a freaking spreadsheet...You edited that post by putting just two smiley faces but it didn't matter to me..i had read your initial one and in that one you actually made me feel bad and stressed. And frankly, it would have been way more honest (and less hypocritical maybe?) if you had just edited the post, without deleting your false accusation and what was a lack of observational skills at that particular moment (Saying that 'cos you stated that you are just being honest and observant in that "debate" of why CHFIL is not good, in case you don't make the connection).

 

 

 

I think youll find when i said the thing about the fake dates when i did edit it, i said sorry and apologised for misreading what you were saying so why lie and say that i didnt own up to my mistake ??

 

Also did you really just say youve never been in an argument where you were stating your case ?? okay. Okay

[Holborn]

I think youll find when i said the thing about the fake dates when i did edit it, i said sorry and apologised for misreading what you were saying so why lie and say that i didnt own up to my mistake ??

 

Also did you really just say youve never been in an argument where you were stating your case ?? okay. Okay

 

http://www.celinedionforum.com/topic/55309-celine-dion-live-2018-asiapacificoceania-tour/page__st__6360

Go check..post #6372, 28 July - 07:20AM

You just edited by putting the 2 smileys..You never apologised, no need, since you thought noone had seen it lol.

 

Also, i said "i had never so far gotten into a debate"... Besides, when it comes to debating Celine's performances/actions/clothes etc., yes i still haven't gotten into a debate. 'Cos i don't care if what i perceive as good or bad, is what you think as well. I say i find it amazing and i couldn't care less if you find it terrible.

 

But it's ok, your response speaks volumes.

[Javito]

To be honest...

 

Seeing her live in Bangkok, i don't know where you getting the 'that takes a toll in the voice'

 

She still sounds absolutely amazing!! Yes she maybe changes a few notes here and there, and develops new techniques to still hit some amazing notes.

 

But we really can't complain.

 

And trust me, all those recordings you see, even the 'offical' ones like I'm Alive.

She doesn't sound like that when you are sitting in the audience.

 

I was there in 2017 too Robin? I'm conscious that she can still sing great and her voice most of the times is still in top shape. Specially when she is on tour and away from Vegas, like we have witnessed since 2016 for the third consecutive tour!

 

When you're in the concert venue, you totally forget about perfection and flawless vocals and playback and you just enjoy. That's what attending a show is about! But I'm just saying she's wasting her voice with so many shows because the precious time she's spending in Vegas and touring so much, is time that she won't spend recording new music. What's better and what's worse? It's a matter of personal tastes. And of course it's all about her choices. But in the end what counts is that her voice keeps changing: look at the horrible/grainy/raspy/nasal voice she used to record the LMBTL album to prove this point. Would she have used this voice 3 years before if the album had been released in 2010? Probably not. Will she use that voice again in the next album. For God's sake, let's hope she doesn't. But that's why I say she's wasting her voice performing SO MANY shows, instead of saving it for recording new music while she still has a good voice.

 

And in the meantime, we're still waiting for that new album to come. And she only released 2 English albums in a decade.

[Javito]

Really Dion2000, I don't want to turn this into a battle of vocal performances because in the end we are all deffending the performances of Céline we all love the most, but I have to subscribe what Holborn said to you... You seem to be too young to realise everything Céline has done and said in her interviews, and seems you were only 2 years old when the ANDHC album was released I rest my case here. I can understand why you love the 2011 Vegas show because that's the era of her career that you could start to enjoy at only 11!

 

Dude..... in 2002 she did TONNES of vocal training. She literally said herself she was working day and night and hoping that her voice was still there and during the recording of ANDHC she was constantly going on about her vocal coach and training sooo nope.

 

Seriously, have you watched the ANDHC making of videos? :wtf: It's all the contrary dear, watch again because you have some lapses here too. She precisely says she had forgotten everything about training and beind disciplined and all before recording the album.

 

During her hiatus she didn't train her voice at all, she totally disconnected from her discipline as she tells in this video (starting on minute 1). She even says she only started warming up her voice two days before she recorded the first song on the ANDHC album and admits her voice wasn't that flexible and great as she expected!:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRsoPiKR1bY

 

I said she didn't train before coming back in 2002, and look how GREAT her voice was, in top shape. During the ANDHC promotion once she came back? I highly doubt she was training, because singing everywhere and promoting the album THAT was her training (and more than enough training with all the vast promo she did!)

 

 

So the fact is, that Celine did that EPIC performance of All By Myself DURING a leg of shows, half way through the show. So how can we compare that to a performance of 1 song (im alive) thats nowhere near the difficulty of All By Myself and she did Im alive by itself, like you cant compare something after singing over 10 songs to something that was just a singular performance with no other strains

 

1) That ABM performance you love so much is far from epic lol. And it's far from perfect, since it has playback use. I'm sorry

 

2) The current ABM version she performs is an easy song for her to sing with no vocal challenge until she hits the high note, which is why this song is famous for in Céline's voice. The "anymore" belting we all know. Until then, it's an easy-peasy song for her and nothing spectacular. And besides, since many years ago, she lowered the key of the live performances because she no longer performs it in its original album version key. However, the ANDHC album has lots of songs on which she has to belt all the way during the songs with much more effort than everything she does in ABM until she gets to the anymore. the climax on Prayer, I Surrender, the full At Last song, Right In Front Of You, even the Spanish song Aun existe amor is more vocally demanding than the full ABM until she hits the "anymore"... and so on.

 

Seriously, stop comparing a 2011 Vegas performance with 2002 songs performed fully live and in its original key because it's nosense to make a comparison.

Edited August 11, 2018 at 01:30 PM by Javito

[Dion2000]

Really Dion2000, I don't want to turn this into a battle of vocal performances because in the end we are all deffending the performances of Céline we all love the most, but I have to subscribe what Holborn said to you... You seem to be too young to realise everything Céline has done and said in her interviews, and seems you were only 2 years old when the ANDHC album was released I rest my case here. I can understand why you love the 2011 Vegas show because that's the era of her career that you could start to enjoy at only 11!

 

 

 

Seriously, have you watched the ANDHC making of videos? :wtf: It's all the contrary dear, watch again because you have some lapses here too. She precisely says she had forgotten everything about training and beind disciplined and all before recording the album.

 

During her hiatus she didn't train her voice at all, she totally disconnected from her discipline as she tells in this video (starting on minute 1). She even says she only started warming up her voice two days before she recorded the first song on the ANDHC album and admits her voice wasn't that flexible and great as she expected!:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRsoPiKR1bY

 

I said she didn't train before coming back in 2002, and look how GREAT her voice was, in top shape. During the ANDHC promotion once she came back? I highly doubt she was training, because singing everywhere and promoting the album that was her training (and more than enough training with all the vast promo she did).

 

 

 

 

1) That ABM performance you love so much is far from epic lol. And it's far from perfect, since it has playback use. I'm sorry

 

2) ABM is an easy song for her to sing with no vocal challenge until she hits the high note, which is why this song is famous for. The "anymore" we all know. Until then, it's an easy-peasy song for her and nothing spectacular. However, the ANDHC album has lots of songs on which she has to belt all the way during the songs with much more effort than everything she does in ABM until she gets to the anymore. the climax on Prayer, I Surrender, the full At Last song, Right In Front Of You, Rain, Tax, even the Spanish song Aun existe amor is more vocally demanding than the full ABM without the high note... and so on.

 

 

Has she ever sang prayer, IS,RIFOY,RT or AEA live ??

 

 

Yes the verses are easy but the last minute and 30 seconds is not, like do you not hear how hard that note is at 4:29 ??

so its not perfecy because it has one playback note ?? Still, the huge end note and the sustained belts before it are also PERFECTION

 

 

Like how can you say that performance isnt epic and say she was singing way harder songs and then post Im Alive ?

 

ANDHC,AL and Im Alive are all easier than that last chorus of all by myself. Thats why she can sing them with ease and all by myself she struggles.

 

 

But you arent even addressing my main point. All the clips you sent were singular performances with days of rest in between she hadnt performed any other songs so how is that in any way comparible to songs that are already harder and yet she does them halfway during a full show ???

 

 

 

I mean this is harder also than IA or AL :

 

 

This is during her worst nasal era and yet... she sings it and it is harder than IA and AL

 

https://youtu.be/5-HZhTWKZpM

Edited August 11, 2018 at 01:37 PM by Dion2000

[CSCfan]

Specially when she is on tour and away from Vegas, like we have witnessed since 2016 for the third consecutive tour!

 

 

Have you ever taken the trouble to actually see her in Vegas? Exactly.

Just give it a rest will ya. She loves Vegas, she loves to perform there, end of that.

 

And no, I don't love everything she does. But do I feel the need to keep repeating what I would love and what I think she's doing "wrong"? No. Because it doesn't help and it's her career, not ours. Even a broken record isn't a good example to compare you with at this point.

 

And like you mentioned 500.000 times, she's performing a LOT of shows in Vegas, so is it so weird her voice can be better on tour (coz it's far less shows she has to do)?! Try to be realistic for once Javito.

Edited August 11, 2018 at 02:12 PM by CSCfan

[mirage]

Never knew she sang this. Was this in rehearsals?

Bad they didn't include it in the end

 

 

 

I mean this is harder also than IA or AL :

 

[CSCfan]

Never knew she sang this. Was this in rehearsals?

Bad they didn't include it in the end

 

Yes, she only performed it during the first of the 3 try-out shows for "Céline"...

Was soooo bummed it didn't make the final show! I'm still dying to hear it live and mentioned it a few times to Scott already..

Edited August 11, 2018 at 02:44 PM by CSCfan

[mirage]

I think it would be a great addition to the medley we already know now

 

 

 

Yes, she only performed it during the first of the 3 try-out shows for "Céline"...

Was soooo bummed it didn't make the final show! I'm still dying to hear it live and mentioned it a few times to Scott already..

Edited August 11, 2018 at 03:10 PM by mirage

[Dion2000]

I think it would be a great addition to the medley we already know now

 

Yeah. Id love for a Medley of DOL/LCMM/RDMH but maybe do like a remix of LCMM to spice it up

[Dion2000]

 

 

Yes, she only performed it during the first of the 3 try-out shows for "Céline"...

Was soooo bummed it didn't make the final show! I'm still dying to hear it live and mentioned it a few times to Scott already..

 

 

Id did kinda make the show, but remember in jamaica when shs performed it but didnt know the words

[celine4evauk]

Mods can you please move all this to a different topic?? Maybe start a new one about vocals comparison or something? Absolutely nothing to do with the new album, and it’s going on and on..... 😬

[maki_Dion-er]

 

Edited August 11, 2018 at 09:41 PM by maki_Dion-er

[Holborn]

Hahaha the pop corn GIF is amazing!

 

 

[Taking Chances]

Oh no, not again.....it's all coming back to me noooooooowwwwwwwwwww

 

https://youtu.be/H8w7xSCkz1I

Edited August 11, 2018 at 09:55 PM by Taking Chances

[angelil78]

I'm just marking this topic read without actually going through the messages.. There haven't been album news in months now.... so not much to talk about.

[Javito]

And like you mentioned 500.000 times, she's performing a LOT of shows in Vegas, so is it so weird her voice can be better on tour (coz it's far less shows she has to do)?! Try to be realistic for once Javito.

 

No. Because she's excited at the prospect of touring and the completely different audience that welcomes her while on tour. An audience that sings with her, screams her name and is alive.

 

You just need to see her daily posts on instagram and see how happy she is while taking planes to each country, while in Paris greeting the fans, while out&about with Pepe attending a show or a fashion show... Everyone in this forum has realised the different Celine when she's on the road. YOU just live in denial.

 

And no I won't take the trouble to go to Vegas to have a formed opinion thank you. I've had enough with 13 years of videos and bootlegs so not to feel any enthusiasm to attend her current show thank you.

Edited August 11, 2018 at 11:30 PM by Javito