"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Dion2000]

 

 

I didn't say I'm jealous because of the covers concept, I'm jealous because of the dance music style, which is way different. I love and hate equally that Céline hasn't done this because it's again a Cher DANCE album, something tons of fans in this forum (and outside surely) have been wishing and asking for since ages ago

 

 

But this is the thing Javito. You seem to think you know exactly what everyone wants and that you are the voice of the people, but the huge majority of her fans are still enchanted by and want more of the 90s Celine as does the casual fan.

 

Lets face it, if celine released an all dance album she would be MONSOONED by the media and attacks from critics who at the best of times think her dance tracks are mediocre.

 

Not to mention its very likely to flop as shes not associated with it at all and any time she’s experimented with dance tracks shes been scrutinised and called corny, shes never been a dancs track artists where as Cher has. Chers biggest hits and common releases are all dance songs, not ballads.

 

 

And if Celine released a covers album... 70% of this form would be ENRAGED. And that would DEFINETLY flop

[celine4evauk]

The critics and reviews are not commenting on her lack of new material and the evolution of her career in the last decade because first she's an overlooked artist, and then they're only seeing her legend status all the time, and also because she has had much on her plate with the passing of René and then taking care of two little children. But if she keeps only performing and focused only on live shows and she doesn't release new music soon to bring the attention on, that time when they start wondering what's new with her and how long it's been without seeing anything new on her career and the progress of her career in the last decade, that time will surely come. Definitely!

 

2013 LMBTL was released

2016 EUS was released

Coming up to 5 years since the first was released-not exactly what you said “without seeing anything new in her career for the last decade”

We all are eagerly waiting for the new English album to come out, but please don’t speak like we literally haven’t had anything for 10 years, because that’s so untrue. 2 years since her last release , not really that long. Personally I think Celine should keep quiet about planning new albums until they’re close to announcing the release date. Like the good old days before social media.

[Dion2000]

 

 

I knew I should have specified, marked and emphasised on the DANCE music style and not the covers

 

And I don't know if she was offered the role. All I know is that she says hundreds of times that she wants to do this and that, cinema, acting, albums in other music styles and other languages, and then 10 years have passed and she hasn't done anything. Why insisting so much and then doing the same all the time (or not doing anything at all in this case)?

 

From the other side of things: did Cher tease her fans for a decade with wanting to do a Spanish album? Or a Jazz album? NO Cher says it would be a good idea to record an ABBA covers album once and she does it. Right away. Céline flirts with the idea of making cinema or recording certain albums as a personal wish, almost an obsession for years told in dozens of interviews, and 15 years pass and she has done neither of them Nada. Just words in the air in the end.

 

!!!!!!!!!! And her voice keeps changing and maturing tour after tour. That's why I said she's wasting her voice and talent always doing the same exact thing (because she's always singing the same damn songs).!!!!!!!!!

 

No offence here, I know it's harsh to say like this, but I think this is what it is and it's what has happened with Céline in the last 10 years.

 

Her voice has literally stayed the same if not improved since 2016. So no touring hasnt wrecked or changed her voice.

 

 

As for the maturing tone..... come ON Javier, SHES 50. Literally every female artist active or not between 45 and 55 will undergo tonal changes due to what ?? MENOPAUSE AND GENERAL MATURING. Its not a result of vocal damage AT ALL and i really wish you would

Stop equating vocal maturing and off moments due to vegas and tours as its really not. 2007 she was doing vegas and yet sounded great and had amazing vocals. 2011 - 2013 she had AMAZING vocals on par with if not superior to 2002 At times and she was “suffering” under the “brutal constraints” of vegas so that doesnt add up.

[Javito]

But this is the thing Javito. You seem to think you know exactly what everyone wants and that you are the voice of the people, but the huge majority of her fans are still enchanted by and want more of the 90s Celine as does the casual fan.

 

Lets face it, if celine released an all dance album she would be MONSOONED by the media and attacks from critics who at the best of times think her dance tracks are mediocre.

 

Not to mention its very likely to flop as shes not associated with it at all and any time she's experimented with dance tracks shes been scrutinised and called corny, shes never been a dancs track artists where as Cher has. Chers biggest hits and common releases are all dance songs, not ballads.

 

 

And if Celine released a covers album... 70% of this form would be ENRAGED. And that would DEFINETLY flop

 

The 90s also had Misled and Love Can Move Mountains and That's The Way It Is and people seemed to like it. Actually they went nuts with TTWII.

 

The truth behind all this you know what it is, that until you don't try something, you'll never know the outcome of it We'll never know how Céline does with a dance/jazz/Spanish album if she never does them.

 

But one thing I saw with the LMBTL album: it went nowhere, and the ballads where totally a fiasco. Why? Because same as you say there's probably people that likes the "90s Celine" (I don't deny that), there's also a good deal of public that is tired of that style and would die to see a "new Céline" with some evoul tion in her

 

Everyone knows Céline can belt a ballad. She's spent 35 years showing that. Now let's show she is the most versatile singer out there and record songs and music she's never done and leave the public stunned and with their jaws dropped At least that's the daring and ambitious Céline I knew when I became a fan, a singer always eager to explore new songs and sing anything she was given to sing. Now she's too much in a comfort zone.

 

2013 LMBTL was released

2016 EUS was released

Coming up to 5 years since the first was released-not exactly what you said "without seeing anything new in her career for the last decade"

We all are eagerly waiting for the new English album to come out, but please don't speak like we literally haven't had anything for 10 years, because that's so untrue. 2 years since her last release , not really that long. Personally I think Celine should keep quiet about planning new albums until they're close to announcing the release date. Like the good old days before social media.

 

That's why I said "but for her French career"

[Javito]

Her voice has literally stayed the same if not improved since 2016. So no touring hasnt wrecked or changed her voice.

 

 

As for the maturing tone..... come ON Javier, SHES 50. Literally every female artist active or not between 45 and 55 will undergo tonal changes due to what ?? MENOPAUSE AND GENERAL MATURING. Its not a result of vocal damage AT ALL and i really wish you would

Stop equating vocal maturing and off moments due to vegas and tours as its really not. 2007 she was doing vegas and yet sounded great and had amazing vocals. 2011 - 2013 she had AMAZING vocals on par with if not superior to 2002 At times and she was "suffering" under the "brutal constraints" of vegas so that doesnt add up.

 

She had a much better voice while on the TCWT in 2008 than in the last year of A New Day, where she was exhausted (and extremely thin in the last month) You just had to see her improvisations with Alone and Je sais pas and her good spirits to be free from Vegas and done with it to notice how MUCH her voice improves when she's not in her Vegas routine. We're seeing it right now before our eyes in the present tour!! The great voice! The acapella ending! The 15 minute Ashes speech being more comical than ever! Everytime she goes on tour her voice gets waaaay better than in Vegas!

 

Her vocals in 2011-2013 being better than in 2002? Don't make me laugh. Please!... :laugh:

Edited August 10, 2018 at 09:58 PM by Javito

[celine4evauk]

 

 

The 90s also had Misled and Love Can Move Mountains and That's The Way It Is and people seemed to like it. Actually they went nuts with TTWII.

 

The truth behind all this you know what it is, that until you don't try something, you'll never know the outcome of it We'll never know how Céline does with a dance/jazz/Spanish album if she never does them.

 

But one thing I saw with the LMBTL album: it went nowhere, and the ballads where totally a fiasco. Why? Because same as you say there's probably people that likes the "90s Celine" (I don't deny that), there's also a good deal of public that is tired of that style and would die to see a "new Céline" with some evoul tion in her

 

Everyone knows Céline can belt a ballad. She's spent 35 years showing that. Now let's show she is the most versatile singer out there and record songs and music she's never done and leave the public stunned and with their jaws dropped At least that's the daring and ambitious Céline I knew when I became a fan, a singer always eager to explore new songs and sing anything she was given to sing. Now she's too much in a comfort zone.

 

 

 

That's why I said "but for her French career"

 

Erm... you didn’t mention that in your post I replied to. Sorry. That’s why I mentioned it 🙄

[Dion2000]

 

 

She had a much better voice while on the TCWT in 2008 than in the last year of A New Day, where she was exhausted (and extremely thin in the last month) You just had to see her improvisations with Alone and Je sais pas and her good spirits to be free from Vegas and done with it to notice how MUCH her voice improves when she's not in her Vegas routine. We're seeing it right now before our eyes in the present tour!! The great voice! The acapella ending! The 15 minute Ashes speech being more comical than ever! Everytime she goes on tour her voice gets waaaay better than in Vegas!

 

Her vocals in 2011-2013 being better than in 2002? Don't make me laugh. Please!... :laugh:

 

 

 

TCWT she was fragile and sounded like she lost all power in her belts. She was literally done by The UK leg of TCWT. Literally compare RDMH from AND to LITERALLY ANY performance of it from TCWT. Or actially the fact that she slayed TC live in the last leg of AND than any performance in TCWT (she lipped the climax on the tc world tour). Je sais pas and alone ad libs are the same standard as the notes as the AND version of LCMM.

 

 

 

And yes, 2011 Celine had better tone and resonance than 2002.

 

 

Find a performance from 2002 with better vocals than this

 

 

 

 

Ill wait

[Javito]

Erm... you didn't mention that in your post I replied to. Sorry. That's why I mentioned it ��

 

No worries I know she did release EUS in 2016, but unfortunately if you don't sing in English they don't know a thing about this album in the rest of the non-French speaking countries.

 

And also it's not like she did much promo for this album, sadly. There are only TWO songs performed on TV from this album, EUS and Les yeux au ciel

Edited August 10, 2018 at 10:07 PM by Javito

[Javito]

TCWT she was fragile and sounded like she lost all power in her belts. She was literally done by The UK leg of TCWT. Literally compare RDMH from AND to LITERALLY ANY performance of it from TCWT. Or actially the fact that she slayed TC live in the last leg of AND than any performance in TCWT (she lipped the climax on the tc world tour). Je sais pas and alone ad libs are the same standard as the notes as the AND version of LCMM.

 

TCWT voice was fragile? Are you serious???

 

Seriously, and you compare them with LCMM precisely, a song that she's been performing like a scratchy cat altering the lyrics and screaming instead of singing like an habit??? I can't believe you lol

 

Here.

 

If only she had belted songs in her last Vegas shows in 2007 like she did in the TCWT! There are many examples not only in RDMH but also in It's A Man's World she easily reached the highest notes without blinking.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C0TT5WXGUk

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehoHqvaCaM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K83zDpMtDzI

 

Je sais pas adlibs have the same beauty than the random screaming she does in LCMM because she's BORED to death of the song? Seriously???

 

Edited August 10, 2018 at 10:19 PM by Javito

[Holborn]

To put things into perspective here:

1) Cher was offered the role in the movie. Actually, she wasn't just offered the role, her old agent Ron Meyer decided she would play in that movie and the rest is history.

2) Cher would have never in a million years done an ABBA record if it wasn't for that role.

3) Comparing these two artists is like comparing apples and oranges. Celine doesn't fit in Cher's world, and if she tried to do what Cher currently does it would be probably laughable to say the least.

4) Celine has done way too many things during the past decade. To say otherwise is just pure ignorance and not fair for her.

5) No matter what Celine does, either an album full of covers, a dance album or a ballad one, there is bound to be plenty of people who will be dissatisfied and want something else.

6) For the love of God, stop saying she is wasting her talent and voice..For her what matters the most is to perform live and entertain the audience, not sitting in a studio recording song after song. Which by the way she has been doing as well these past years...

7) She has been saying that she wants to star in a movie, but honey, if the producers don't want her to be part of their movies it's not her fault.

8) I don't live in a french speaking country but many french songs have been hits here and personally i listen more to her french music and concerts..so in the end is just a matter of personal taste.

9) Too many things to quote and too late and sleepy to do all that, i pretty much agree with the rest you' ve said.

Edited August 10, 2018 at 10:18 PM by Holborn

[scielle]

What I don't get is she always seems to record so many more songs than actually end up on these albums.

I get that you'd want to put your best foot forward, but I just don't believe all the "rejects" are not worth hearing. Release a "B-sides & rarities"-type album. It's Celine, people will buy it. Sony doesn't need a massive multi-million dollar marketing machine behind every release. Doesn't it make sense to release more content, even if it's billed as smaller side-projects, and earn some incremental revenue from it? Something's better than nothing, and by letting these songs collect dust they're just writing off production costs... I don't get it.

I just feel like a lot of this prolonged lead-time to every release is Sony getting its marketing machine in gear for 2 years. Like, every Celine release must be massive for them... but it really doesn't! Release some side projects or bonus albums alongside a big release, without an incremental marketing spend. It's all upside.

[Javito]

And yes, 2011 Celine had better tone and resonance than 2002.

 

 

Find a performance from 2002 with better vocals than this

 

 

https://youtu.be/FBWl3Q7A36k

 

 

Ill wait

 

And are you seriously giving a bootleg video of All By Myself to compare her flawless live performances on TV in 2002? For real? :wtf:

 

Here

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-j1se053CI

 

Here at 2:19, not even a shaky note

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqiQLsIe-0

 

Here, pure perfection performing At Last without the smallest shaking on the high notes. Just a draw-jopping performance

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRChD29hBWM

 

Here, Can't Help Falling In Love in Divas Las Vegas 2002

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQkjFza9dw

 

Here, MHWGO, she belts the high notes with an ease as if she was just breathing. The power and solidity of her vocals in 2002 is out of the question.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXdOU5_Gtiw

 

Shall I continue?

Edited August 10, 2018 at 10:41 PM by Javito

[Javito]

And yes, 2011 Celine had better tone and resonance than 2002.

 

 

Find a performance from 2002 with better vocals than this

 

 

https://youtu.be/FBWl3Q7A36k

 

 

Ill wait

 

And here, TTWII in its original album key, or I'd dare to say it's even HIGHER KEY in this video, performed also in 2002, with absolute ease. Did that ever happen again after 2002?

 

From all the many outstanding 2002 vocal performances, I think this one sums up pretty much the strength and the absolutely flawless voice with which she came back in 2002. Just impressive

 

I think this is enough to put to shame that ABM 2011 video right?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732swKETFJI

Edited August 10, 2018 at 10:45 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

And are you seriously giving a bootleg video of All By Myself to compare her flawless live performances on TV in 2002? For real? :wtf:

 

Here

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-j1se053CI

 

Here at 2:19, not even trembling

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqiQLsIe-0

 

Here, pure perfection performing At Last without the smallest trembling on the high notes. Just a draw-jopping performance

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRChD29hBWM

 

Here, Can't Help Falling In Love in Divas Las Vegas 2002

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQkjFza9dw

 

Here, MHWGO, she belts the high notes with an ease as if she was just breathing. The power and solidity of her vocals in 2002 is out of the question.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXdOU5_Gtiw

 

Shall I continue?

 

That MHWGO performance from Oprah was far from perfect. A bit nasal, and everything from “Forever this way...” to the end was shaky.

[Dion2000]

 

 

Seriously, and you compare them with LCMM precisely, a song that she's been performing like a scratchy cat altering the lyrics and screaming instead of singing like an habit??? I can't believe you lol

 

Here.

 

If only she had belted songs in her last Vegas shows in 2007 like she did in the TCWT! There are many examples not only in RDMH but also in It's A Man's World she easily reached the highest notes without blinking.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C0TT5WXGUk

 

 

 

 

:haha:

 

 

The notes in IAMMMW and RDMH are EXTREMELY head voice dominant making them extremely easy to hit. They arent full or belty sounding, shes using lots of head voice to help her ascend the octave and shes not actually using belting technique here

 

 

Literally compare the two climaxes here :

 

 

(Also the thing about 2007 isnt true cause this is from 2006)

 

 

And theres 2008

 

Sooo ummm no. She slayed it wayyy more in Vegas than on tour.

 

 

Shes not screaming in LCMM, you guys have no idea how hard it is to sing a song the EXACT same way for like 11 years (she started to alter it in 2003), she needs to change it up and i prefer it way more to the studio version

 

 

You say she screams but you then compare it to Its a mans world ?? hahahahaaha

 

 

Literally listen.

 

 

In LCMM she does the “you better feel it everywhere” high note

 

 

In its a mans world she does it “everything he caaan”

 

 

THOSE ARE THE EXACT SAME NOTES IN THE EXACT SAME STYLE LOL. Literally so involved in your own point that you dont realise your contradicting and proving my point.

 

 

 

Heres more :

 

 

During vegas heres a performance of Jirai Ou Tu Iras :

 

 

 

Then during the supposedly superior vocal show of taking chances

 

 

 

 

 

See a difference ??

 

 

 

Taking chances from AND

 

 

https://youtu.be/pnT596mYdlQ

 

 

 

Taking chances from the tour

 

 

(With lipped climax)

 

 

 

 

 

Oh well i tried

 

 

 

 

[Javito]

 

During vegas heres a performance of Jirai Ou Tu Iras :

 

https://youtu.be/6jUvWMV_42A

 

That's not in Vegas, that's in France for a TV special promoting the 1f&4t album... When she's out from Vegas she sings differently (and way better), I think we agree on that

 

Jesus, the TC performance from Vegas you posted is FULL of shaking! Do you really prefer that over the TCWT performance???

 

From 2:50 she's shaky and insecure and not to mention the belting on 3:30.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=pnT596mYdlQ

 

The performance in Montreal you posted during the TCWT is not better but she slayed with many other songs during this tour, while in Vegas she could barely leave her nasal and tired voice behind during the last year!

[Dion2000]

 

 

And are you seriously giving a bootleg video of All By Myself to compare her flawless live performances on TV in 2002? For real? :wtf:

 

Here

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-j1se053CI

 

Here at 2:19, not even a shaky note

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqiQLsIe-0

 

Here, pure perfection performing At Last without the smallest shaking on the high notes. Just a draw-jopping performance

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRChD29hBWM

 

Here, Can't Help Falling In Love in Divas Las Vegas 2002

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQkjFza9dw

 

Here, MHWGO, she belts the high notes with an ease as if she was just breathing. The power and solidity of her vocals in 2002 is out of the question.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXdOU5_Gtiw

 

Shall I continue?

 

 

Literally not one of those performances is comparable to the vocal difficulty of the All By Myself climax ESPECIALLY not the “no i dont want to live by myself anymore by myself any-moooooooooore”. At Last was still mediocre in comparison and using that Oprah clip WAS HILARIOUS OMG I CANT BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY JUST USED THAT HAHAHA.

 

TTWII in the original key once again doesnt have anything as vocally difficult as All By Myself but ill add somemore

 

 

https://youtu.be/Y_n9CgSHRK0

 

THE best performance of LAEE since 1992 JUST after a big vegas leg

 

 

 

fat better than the josh groban version from 2002

 

 

 

All those golden high notes UGH

 

 

 

https://youtu.be/aRcBtS_NOTo

 

 

A haunting performance with crystal cleae vocals and a 16 second note at the end GIMMIE A BREAK

[Dion2000]

 

 

That's not in Vegas, that's in France for a TV special promoting the 1f&4t album... When she's out from Vegas she sings differently (and way better), I think we agree on that

 

Jesus, the TC performance from Vegas you posted is FULL of shaking! Do you really prefer that over the TCWT performance???

 

From 2:50 she's shaky and insecure and not to mention the belting on 3:30.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=pnT596mYdlQ

 

The performance in Montreal you posted during the TCWT is not better but she slayed with many other songs during this tour, while in Vegas she could barely leave her nasal and tired voice behind during the last year!

 

 

Oh my god. A live video will have lots of reverb so she will sound fuller but trust me that Vegas performance was way better vocal quality and ITS NOT SHAKING LMAO. Its called vibrato, its a vocal technique that every singer knows and does and naturally appears when you support a note well. Literally listen to that performance of at last you sent, “at laaaaaaaaaaast” listen to the second half you hear a vibration in the note thats vibrato and is a sign of health singing and actually most of the powerful notes celine hits have vibrato. She was nasal but tbh it was way worse in the TC tour, past Boston celine was EXHAUSTED and constantly nasal i could barely understand her on many songs ESPECIALLY its a mans world

[Holborn]

And after critisizing her creativity and innovation and diminishing her achievements during the last decade, now we went to comparing her vocal abilities and to sum it up so far we have:

 

- TCWT voice was fragile

- Performing like a scratchy cat and screaming

- A bit nasal and shaky

- Notes are extremely head voice dominant making them extremely easy to hit

- The TC performance from Vegas is FULL of shaking

- Nasal and tired voice

 

Nice. Very nice. It's rather frustrating how you lesser her performances and abilities only just to prove your points.

 

Truth is that both of you have way too much "alpha male" egoism and you are way too elitists to reach an agreement. No need to drag Celine into all this.

[DionFanAlways]

And after critisizing her creativity and innovation and diminishing her achievements during the last decade, now we went to comparing her vocal abilities and to sum it up so far we have:

 

- TCWT voice was fragile

- Performing like a scratchy cat and screaming

- A bit nasal and shaky

- Notes are extremely head voice dominant making them extremely easy to hit

- The TC performance from Vegas is FULL of shaking

- Nasal and tired voice

 

Nice. Very nice. It's rather frustrating how you lesser her performances and abilities only just to prove your points.

 

Truth is that both of you have way too much "alpha male" egoism and you are way too elitists to reach an agreement. No need to drag Celine into all this.

Like times 1 million!!!

[gafsa]

Oh no, not again.....it's all coming back to me noooooooowwwwwwwwwww

[Lolo88]

I didn't know some of you were real vocal experts, guys... 😇

 

Can't you just shut up and enjoy Celine's voice trough the years instead of fighting about 2002 VS 2007 VS 2008 VS 2011 VS 2013 VS 2016 VS 2017 VS 2018 vocals ?!

 

It's getting REALLY exhausting 😁

She's 50 years old! Her voice is changing each year and that's NORMAL, come on! 😜

 

Thank you guys 😘

Edited August 11, 2018 at 06:13 AM by Lolo88

[jpatdeleon09]

I don’t like her voice in 2012-2014 Edited August 11, 2018 at 06:33 AM by jpatdeleon09

[celine4evauk]

What I don't get is she always seems to record so many more songs than actually end up on these albums.

I get that you'd want to put your best foot forward, but I just don't believe all the "rejects" are not worth hearing. Release a "B-sides & rarities"-type album. It's Celine, people will buy it. Sony doesn't need a massive multi-million dollar marketing machine behind every release. Doesn't it make sense to release more content, even if it's billed as smaller side-projects, and earn some incremental revenue from it? Something's better than nothing, and by letting these songs collect dust they're just writing off production costs... I don't get it.

I just feel like a lot of this prolonged lead-time to every release is Sony getting its marketing machine in gear for 2 years. Like, every Celine release must be massive for them... but it really doesn't! Release some side projects or bonus albums alongside a big release, without an incremental marketing spend. It's all upside.

 

I’d love that too!

[Dion2000]

And after critisizing her creativity and innovation and diminishing her achievements during the last decade, now we went to comparing her vocal abilities and to sum it up so far we have:

 

- TCWT voice was fragile

- Performing like a scratchy cat and screaming

- A bit nasal and shaky

- Notes are extremely head voice dominant making them extremely easy to hit

- The TC performance from Vegas is FULL of shaking

- Nasal and tired voice

 

Nice. Very nice. It's rather frustrating how you lesser her performances and abilities only just to prove your points.

 

Truth is that both of you have way too much "alpha male" egoism and you are way too elitists to reach an agreement. No need to drag Celine into all this.

 

 

 

Omg thats literally not what its about. Its not lessering her performances everything i compare to is Celines performances. I never say “celine sounds trash there” i always say “shes not at her usual self”. Youre literally ONLY singling out the things i said that were negative (The head dominant mix thing wasnt even a negative or degrading her tho ??? So i dont know why you have that there. Actually read next time) how many times did i say “she slayed here” “she sounded amazing”

 

 

Dont drag my name into criticism of her innovation,creativity or decade achievements as i wasnt even talking then and i never complain about any of that anyway.

 

NEVER ONCE DID I LESSER HER ABILITIES WOW YOU KNOW NOTHING. Its a fact of vocal pedagogy literally ask Tyler1991, he knows what im on about. When you make it head dominant its far far easier to hit them than with a balanced mix.

 

So basically all i did was call celine vocally terrible and hate on her. OKAY. FINE.

 

 

As for the alpha male thing, wow okay. Youre SOOOO dramatic. Egoism ?? Me ?? No. How many times have i admitted i was wrong? How many times have i learned from other people and took that used that later?? Oh yeah.. ALL THE TIME.

 

 

And elitist REALLY ?!?!?! Now that is bull, im not an elitist, never have been never will be and to be honest the only elitist here is you. Taking everything out of context and trying to make yourself look high and mighty as you “fight the patriarchy” and take down “the elitists” when actually, all you do is place yourseld above others. HYPOCRITE.

 

 

 

“‘No need to “drag” celine into this”

 

In a celine forum, where we discuss celine issues, celine subjects and celine tales, where we debate these and put out our own opinion and lay our case but im dragging celine into it ?? If thats how you think this went down then you need to google how forums like this work

[Dion2000]

I didn't know some of you were real vocal experts, guys... 😇

 

Can't you just shut up and enjoy Celine's voice trough the years instead of fighting about 2002 VS 2007 VS 2008 VS 2011 VS 2013 VS 2016 VS 2017 VS 2018 vocals ?!

 

It's getting REALLY exhausting 😁

She's 50 years old! Her voice is changing each year and that's NORMAL, come on! 😜

 

Thank you guys 😘

 

 

But thats the point...: her voice isnt changing.... apart from maybe getting slightly worse or slightly better through the year on occasion, her vocal condition has remained the same since 2014.

 

[Bruno Portugal]

It's time to release the new English album because fans are killing each other here...

[CSCfan]

It's time to release the new English album because fans are killing each other here...

 

Release it after "it's done"..

[Javito]

I rest my case here. I've never been a vocal expert nor did I pretend to be, neither been a playback expert (like many here) nor did I care. I just say that one 2011 bootleg video of All By Myself doesn't invalidate all of the outstanding and near-perfect vocals she had in the 2002 live performances. I posted enough videos that clearly prove that. The solidity and strength of her voice is unquestionable and the videos speak for itselves.

 

I'd like to see the rest of one of her 2011 Vegas shows to see the condition of her voice through it all. For one flawless performance she may give, she delivers 3 nasal songs in the same show and changes the use of the voice from her stomach to her nose and such things (when she's clearly either saving her voice or just sick of performing it). That not to mention when she started adding the "scratching sounds" and random screamings in RDMH, LCMM, Purple Rain, and even ABM.

 

And even ABM has been questioned for the use of playback when she belts the high note. I won't open that door. What a comparison to the flawless totally live 2002 performances :rolleyes:

 

But there's one positive side of this: there's clearly one favourite Celine year for everyone, and one vocal condition preferred for everyone. There's something for every fan and when for some her voice shines in one particular year, for others it's another moment 10 years later, with a more mature and different voice. That's totally okay. That's the enchantment of Céline's voice, that she captures fans all the way no matter how she sings If this discussion has served to prove this, my job is done here

Edited August 11, 2018 at 09:38 AM by Javito

[Dion2000]

I rest my case here. I've never been a vocal expert nor did I pretend to be, neither been a playback expert (like many here) nor did I care. I just say that one 2011 bootleg video of All By Myself doesn't invalidate all of the outstanding and near-perfect vocals she had in the 2002 live performances. I posted enough videos that clearly prove that. The solidity and strength of her voice is unquestionable and the videos speak for itselves.

 

I'd like to see the rest of one of her 2011 Vegas shows to see the condition of her voice through it all. For one flawless performance she may give, she delivers 3 nasal songs in the same show and changes the use of the voice from her stomach to her nose and such things (when she's clearly either saving her voice or just sick of performing it). That not to mention when she started adding the "scratching sounds" and random screamings in RDMH, LCMM, Purple Rain, and even ABM.

 

And even ABM has been questioned for the use of playback when she belts the high note. I won't open that door. What a comparison to the flawless totally live 2002 performances :rolleyes:

 

But there's one positive side of this: there's clearly one favourite Celine year for everyone, and one vocal condition preferred for everyone. There's something for every fan and when for some her voice shines in one particular year, for others it's another moment 10 years later, with a more mature and different voice. That's totally okay. That's the enchantment of Céline's voice, that she captures fans all the way no matter how she sings If this discussion has served to prove this, my job is done here

 

 

 

The playback for all by myself in 2011 was just the anymoooooooore not the other huge belt at the end which in of itself is harder than the entirety of ANDHC (the song)

 

And btw, you can listen to a full bootleg of the 2011 show and Even songs like paganini and LCMM have no nasality.

 

 

Once again the notes in RDMH,LCMM and Purple Rain arent screams they are upper belts and ad libs. Yall are literally so hateful oversomething you dont understand