"Courage" album - Official Topic

[actofcontrition]

I think as fans we've just been very spoiled. She's been working an insane amount in '16-'17, more than some newcomers in the business... I think she's probably still doing a lot, but we just don't see it...

That said, I do miss my Céline ��

 

Yes she is and here is why i'm blaming SONY. Lets say it simple : its been a few years that its 'hard' to be a Celine fan. Imagine a fan, living somewhere like Alberta in Canada and that fan doesnt have the money to go to vegas. Well yes Celine is working hard but that fan cant go to vegas, cant certainly not go to the asia or european tour so that means what.. Sony is telling to that fan 'buy this new album and see you in 5 or 6 years for something new. I mean really? When they can release something new every year : live dvd from the various summer tour, dvd from the 2011 vegas, live album, dvd from her past tour like english leg of falling into you and lets talk about love tour, new album with rare or unreleased songs, anniversary album with bonus, remastered and put on cd her 80' albums... but they are doing NOTHING.and thats very sad

Edited March 8, 2018 at 07:04 PM by actofcontrition

[Dion2000]

The reality is also that Sony aren’t beating down her door for a new English album. Throughout the 90’s they wanted more and more from her as she was selling like crazy! Now though there’s no money to be made from a new English album by Celine for Sony or for Celine herself. She’s recording now simply for the joy of it and Sony will of course be happy to release it as and when it is done. Although I’m confident the time being taken will result in a quality album you also have to remember that she spent barely any time between albums in the 90s and some of her best songs are on those albums so I don’t buy the time equals quality debate.

 

But those albums were also the ones to lack a main theme or fluidity between tracks. AND they also had some of her worst songs (Halfway to heaven ( :vomit: ) and all the translated ones from french)

[Shaun]

 

 

But those albums were also the ones to lack a main theme or fluidity between tracks. AND they also had some of her worst songs (Halfway to heaven ( :vomit: ) and all the translated ones from french)

 

And albums such as Loved Me Back To Life had a theme?

[Javito]

Most of you say you miss Céline... I think I miss René most

[jpatdeleon09]

Most of you say you miss Céline... I think I miss René most

 

 

Yeah! I miss his voice too!

Edited March 8, 2018 at 07:59 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Javito]

Haha it's not hearing him what I miss precisely, it's having him being behind her. Knowing that he was there behind her to take care of all the business side and always having new projects coming. With René, we would have had this album released since years ago. He would have never done 3 consecutive tours without offering some new music to the fans (I mean the new English album of course). He always wanted to please everyone, he wanted everyone to be happy, and he knew not every fan is allowed to leave everything and see Céline in a concert, that's why we had new albums so regularly.

 

He was the engine that make everything happen; he was the one pushing for new projects and albums to happen regularly. Céline said "no" 90% of times to what he proposed her to do, so imagine how many things were going into his head when he was with Céline.

 

Without a manager, Céline is in lala land, in a place with no time and deadlines

 

As much as I do believe what she wants and that she could be a skilled self-manager, I still believe she needs one to drive the boat!

Edited March 8, 2018 at 08:10 PM by Javito

[Dion2000]

Haha it's not hearing him what I miss precisely, it's having him being behind her. Knowing that he was there behind her to take care of all the business side and always having new projects coming. With René, we would have had this album released since years ago. He would have never done 3 consecutive tours without offering some new music to the fans (I mean the new English album of course). He always wanted to please everyone, he wanted everyone to be happy, and he knew not every fan is allowed to leave everything and see Céline in a concert, that's why we had new albums so regularly.

 

He was the engine that make everything happen; he was the one pushing for new projects and albums to happen regularly. Céline said "no" 90% of times to what he proposed her to do, so imagine how many things were going into his head when he was with Céline.

 

Without a manager, Céline is in lala land, in a place with no time and deadlines

 

As much as I do believe what she wants and that she could be a skilled self-manager, I still believe she needs one to drive the boat!

 

Not really, René said during an interview with Donna McCall in 2004 (I believe during miracle promo) and he said he thought releasing an album every 3-4 years is what should be done quote : “Time and effort is needed and with an artist like Celine we need to make sure its the best for the fans and for her as an artist”. Dont forget between 2004 and 2014 we had 2 french and 2 english albums, he wasnt really pushing them out either, if that was the case, before vegas he would have had an english album out then and earlier during vegas, but he waited and released them 4/5 years apart. With french one year and english the next. Also whilst I agree about consecutive tours, she has truly started to live as herself. She always said she would take live shows over albums and i think now that shes in charge, shes finally able to do what she wants. Many singers go on tour without albums. Elton John,Mariah Carey, Whitney, Michael Jackson,Tina Turner etc. Celine doesnt care about how an album sells or releasing one at all, the only reason she would is for fans. She would rather sing and entertain 20,000 people and love it as much as fans do, than spend months in a recording studio on something people may hate.

Edited March 8, 2018 at 09:09 PM by Dion2000

[Peppercorn1991]

 

 

Not really, René said during an interview with Donna McCall in 2004 (I believe during miracle promo) and he said he thought releasing an album every 3-4 years is what should be done quote : “Time and effort is needed and with an artist like Celine we need to make sure its the best for the fans and for her as an artist”. Dont forget between 2004 and 2014 we had 2 french and 2 english albums, he wasnt really pushing them out either, if that was the case, before vegas he would have had an english album out then and earlier during vegas, but he waited and released them 4/5 years apart. With french one year and english the next. Also whilst I agree about consecutive tours, she has truly started to live as herself. She always said she would take live shows over albums and i think now that shes in charge, shes finally able to do what she wants. Many singers go on tour without albums. Elton John,Mariah Carey, Whitney, Michael Jackson,Tina Turner etc. Celine doesnt care about how an album sells or releasing one at all, the only reason she would is for fans. She would rather sing and entertain 20,000 people and love it as much as fans do, than spend months in a recording studio on something people may hate.

 

He made sure something was released regularly though....like concerts, special editions, books etc...

 

Kev x

Edited March 8, 2018 at 09:42 PM by Peppercorn1991

[Javito]

Whitney did a tour for almost every album she released (she hasn't that many though), and Michael Jackson released more albums as a solo artist than tours, so in this way these artists lived for the studio work as much as for the stage. Not to mention they cared a lot about this part of her work because they were both producers of her albums.

 

Céline has release way more albums than any of those you mentioned but only with the number of shows she has done in this century, she beats comfortably any number of performances those artists you mentioned have done in their careers. And like we know, Céline is taking 5 years now between each release, having just one English album in 10 years. Though in her favour, I credit her for having a double career and in that time she also released 2 French albums

[Javito]

He made sure something was realised regularly though....like concerts, special editions, books etc...

 

Kev x

 

Exactly Kev, he made sure something was always available and it hadn't to be always in the form of an album: we also had books, DVD documentaries (Through the eyes of the world), side projects like Miracle, special TV shows or concerts were she was a special guest like the Divas Live series, David Foster and friends, participation in soundtracks (Children On Their Birthdays, Mona Lisa Smile, Asterix), charity book like Heroes Among Us, TV commercials almost every year from 2002 to 2007 with Saint Justine, Québec tourism house, her parfums line... and so on.

 

He did work a lot so we had lots of things each year!

Edited March 8, 2018 at 09:23 PM by Javito

[stevo]

Let’s not get carried away- she had an extremely busy 2016 and 2017 and has just had a couple of months off which is well deserved. I miss Rene too, but to be honest, I prefer free Céline - it feels more exciting and spontaneous to me, that it’s not another repeat of what we had time and time again. Who knows what will happen? Who knows if it’ll work or be good? But Céline is not stupid. She is strong and she had come alive in my opinion.

[Xpresso]

When Whitney and Michael Jackson were around, albums were still selling like crazy.

For established artists nowadays, the big business is touring.

Don't worry, the new album will come. In case some people didn't notice, EUS sold extremely well despite being released AFTER the tour... No drama pleassssse!

[mirage]

It's obvious we need her now haha

 

I never thought 2018 would be so quiet.

Last year we the grammy's, batb premiere, billboard, met gala.

She was like everywhere, same for end 2015 and 2016.

 

But since Aldo is gone, it feels like she is just doing the necessary and nothing extra.

But who knows what she is doing.

Know that Aldo said that his job was keeping her in the spotlight. And somehow the last months she is nowhere to be seen.

 

Keep the buzz going Celine!!

[celinesounds]

the problem about the delay, is cause the album is not ready yet is not that time yet :-D

 

Edited March 8, 2018 at 10:55 PM by celinesounds

[joaofilho]

Let's stay calm, I'm also anxious about the album, but remember that 2016/2017, were great for Celine, many things they did during those years, many appearances, emotions, so the year is just beginning, I believe that many things they are only working in silence, closing deals, contracts.

 

She also needs to take time for her image, let's wait for the next excitement.

[celinesounds]

I'm freeking in love with Treat her like a Lady, the song is so good

 

the production sounds good after 20 years, she should do a song like this on her new album, DanceHall

Edited March 9, 2018 at 07:14 PM by celinesounds

[Nmj]

People, calm down! This is probably going to be Celines slowest month of the year. At the end of the month, she'll be back in Vegas for another run, including her birthday show. At that same time she'll probably preparing massively for her tour and at the same time still working on her album and then I think once the summer begins it will be HUGE end to the year, she'll probably be everywhere again and in the news again for both her work and fashion.

 

I think this month or two of quietness is needed for her to keep her sanity of how fast pased her last 6 months of the year is going to be. Time will tell, I have a good feeling!

[brendanm999]

People, calm down! This is probably going to be Celines slowest month of the year. At the end of the month, she'll be back in Vegas for another run, including her birthday show. At that same time she'll probably preparing massively for her tour and at the same time still working on her album and then I think once the summer begins it will be HUGE end to the year, she'll probably be everywhere again and in the news again for both her work and fashion.

 

I think this month or two of quietness is needed for her to keep her sanity of how fast pased her last 6 months of the year is going to be. Time will tell, I have a good feeling!

Agreed 100%. Couldn't have said it better!

[Xpresso]

According to some people, Céline can't take a break from the public eye!! She surely deserves it.

Even if we don't see her, I doubt that she's not doing anything... She should stop everything once in a while!

[Nmj]

I think what people also tend to forget about as well, is the fact that the “Celine Machine” needs many people to run. These people do so much with and for Celine and don’t get the spotlight as much. Celine is also a very family oriented person, she knows that if she needs to be in the public’s eye so do they. Everyone from the background singers, lighting techs, orchestra, personal assistants, hair and makeup, wardrobe people, all need time off. If Celine’s in business so are they and maybe with a big end coming to the year she thinks that they deserve time off to be with family, and travel. I seen on social media that Barnev is relaxing in Montreal and enjoying his time off.

 

Let’s all chill the machine will be in full force again soon! In the meantime let’s remember these people are only human after all.

[Xpresso]

Yes, and they need their vacation time before going on tour!

[mirage]

Haha and remember the behind the scenes of AND?!

She and Rene sitting in the car, discussing her "month off"

 

The oscars, musicvideo, photoshoot, recording album...

 

And these things don't happen between 9-5 like most "working days"

 

So probably from those 4 weeks "a month off" she had maybe just 2 weeks all together, if not less.

[jpatdeleon09]

"No! Just a month off.. just the oscars, the photoshoot, the videoshoot.. just a month off.. thank you so much".

 

".. You know Jan? The one who broke her ankle. Every night she put herself an ice.. almost her whole body".

 

"Oooooh! Arf! Arf! Arf! Awww! Cute cute cute! Tonight's the night, it's gonna be alright".

 

"Yeah! Give me a thumb Give me a THUMB"

 

"Alright! Hang it right there.."

 

"STUBADAPDIPDAP HA, my eustachian tubes today are poppin' woooh! HE YAH SATURDAY! FRIDAY? Friday would sound better actually.."

 

"FOOOOD!".

 

"She's probably in a case of bringing me food, right?"

 

"I don't care what people say about the two of us from the different world".

 

"Precious, don't forget the bracelet!"

 

"Hi! Taylor!"

 

"Do you see me as a circle? No?".

 

"I think converstion is a great way to learn".

 

"I'm a talker so i understand".

 

"I'll give you my head.. my whole head".

 

"I'm sooo tired.. oh my gosh! Ahhh! Ok! 1 2 3 Up!".

 

"Do you feel any differences tonight? No?".

 

"Have a great vacation. Have a great time. Thank you so much. Stay well, ok? Thank you!".

 

"How to be joey? Oh! Can i start again? Oh!! I have to go.. that was good!".

 

"Oh no.. i just took one part of the dress and the lining was just still down.. i didn't look after".

 

That was i remember from watching AND for how many times lol

Edited March 10, 2018 at 10:51 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Ronny83]

What do you think? https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbyowsinski/2018/03/10/album-dead/#18297ccb6986

[stevo]

What do you think? https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbyowsinski/2018/03/10/album-dead/#18297ccb6986

 

Definitely true. I personally do like an album and look forward to new albums from Céline and my favourites. But there is no need to buy full albums anymore to get the good songs and avoid the ones you won’t listen to.

 

Céline herself admitted that, in that recently posted Part 1 Interview of the Asia Tour announcement - that no-one buys albums. It must be strange for her but it’s good that she obviously still wants to record. I can’t imagine not having an album every few years from her, it wouldn’t feel as nourishing to just get randomly released songs here and there. Like with Recovering- I love the song but it feels weird it’s just floating without a home or something! I know it works for lots of other artists...I’ll be happy as long as she continues to record albums, and I don’t care how many copies it sells .

[Davey84]

What do you think? https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbyowsinski/2018/03/10/album-dead/#18297ccb6986

 

I totally don't agree! Of course you can stream music now in any format and of course album sales are declining. BUT the author doesn't mention, or investigated, if people are still streaming full albums, or buying full albums on iTunes. Didn't Ed Sheridan have all this album tracks in the charts, cos there's not really a definition anymore on what's an album track, or what is a single. And that's also the reason why All I want for Xmas keeps on charting.

I blame the music providers who made a mess of the way a track is presented. IMO it should be like the old days: album tracks and a single track (for a certain amount of time), after that time it should become a regular track again and not chart anymore.

 

And I do believe that most artists still see an album as a collection of songs that reflect their state of mind of that time. And that includes the album artwork and the videos for singles. If you stop with that context, a song will just become a song, and another and another etc. etc. What’s the point in that?

Edited March 12, 2018 at 11:23 AM by Davey84

[flutefreak]

I still want my favorite artists to make an entire album and yes I buy them or stream them. If I like a song from others I will stream or buy that one song but I would hate it if artists stopped making albums just because the industry says they don't sell well.

[Shaun]

I like nothing more than buying an actual album and with vinyl making a comeback it's even more reason to buy an actual physical release. I hate buying digital only but sometimes you are forced to - The Show Must Go On, Recovering. The charts are a total mess. Like Davey referred to because Ed Sheeran didn't release a "single" and instead just made his whole album available he managed to take 9 of the top 10 places in the UK Singles Chart. I mean, whatever way you look at it, that's a total joke! There are so many artists who don't have a "streaming audience" that are suffering and don't chart now because they aren't being streamed that much. I miss the much simpler days. When airplay is added, such as in the USA, it makes things even more complicated. Who decides what gets airplay and how often? They are essentially deciding the charts.

 

If we are going to have actual singles then they need to come up with a way to make sure only actual singles are eligible for the charts.

[DionFanAlways]

Call me old but I want a physical album not something floating in hyper space. But as my kids tell me, dinosaurs mom, dinosaurs...... lol!

[celine19]

Call me old but I want a physical album not something floating in hyper space. But as my kids tell me, dinosaurs mom, dinosaurs...... lol!

 

We call ourselves Célineosaurus Rex

Edited March 12, 2018 at 12:36 PM by celine19