"Courage" album - Official Topic

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

With the singles she released in 1999 and also in 2002, Céline reached to a new generation of public that she hadn't met before. She continued that new found public in 2003 with the dance single IDAN. But then she stopped that progression, all of a sudden.

 

Her peak in the 90s wasn't but that of a singer that was greatly popular because of one main genre, ballads, and by 1999 she was associated with a massive single, MHWGO, which occupied everything. But in 2002 and 2003 she showed she could sing more than ballads, and that she could reach a broader audience composed of more than adults and people in their mid 50s. She got a new public of young audiences with those 2002/2003 singles. So her peak didn't finish in the late 90s I'm afraid.

 

Her fanbase was still growing even more in 2002/2003, and the attention from pop radios was even bigger than in late 90s, where everything was either BYLM or MHWGO. But she offered something new and fresh and both radios and public liked it, and a lot. Her peak was extended and renewed for those years, but it all stopped in 2003, sadly.

 

Actually, MHWGO brought a lot of younger fans in, believe it or not...due to the massive amount of young people who were "Titanic" fanatics. Also, this idea that she was only marketed and liked mostly by older people in the 90s is such a weak argument, because there are many people my age that are fans. People who grew up with her music. Her post 2000 singles (ANDHC, I'm alive, IDAN) were not nearly as successful as when she was at her peak in the 90s. (IDAN didn't even crack the top 40 here in the US.) And even at her most popular, she still has only had 4 #1s on the Hot 100. The 2000's were not career building years for her. There was an interest in her still, yes. But it was not a continuum of the MHWGO success. The early 2000s were far from the peak of her career. She had already established that by then.

[RosieBarron]

Actually, MHWGO brought a lot of younger fans in, believe it or not...due to the massive amount of young people who were "Titanic" fanatics. Also, this idea that she was only marketed and liked mostly by older people in the 90s is such a weak argument, because there are many people my age that are fans. People who grew up with her music. Her post 2000 singles (ANDHC, I'm alive, IDAN) were not nearly as successful as when she was at her peak in the 90s. (IDAN didn't even crack the top 40 here in the US.) And even at her most popular, she still has only had 4 #1s on the Hot 100. The 2000's were not career building years for her. There was an interest in her still, yes. But it was not a continuum of the MHWGO success. The early 2000s were far from the peak of her career. She had already established that by then.

 

Totally agree with you. I was 9 years old when Celine properly arrived in the UK at the start of 1995 and I immediately loved her music. Celine's peak was the 1990's and after that Celine and Rene purposely downsized. I remember in the second half of 90's Celine was constantly in the charts in the UK and constantly played on the radio.

 

I suppose if someone had only followed her career since the early 2000's they may not have the full picture. But yeah everything that she recorded since 2000 has not had the same commercial success as how she was selling before she had the break to have RC. That again though goes back to purposely downsizing. After Rene's first cancer and the birth of RC, Celine and Rene chose to be in one place, not just because that was best for RC but because they also needed to be in the same place.

 

The level of promotion she was doing in the 90's was not sustainable. She isn't lazy with promotion she has just chosen to have a life rather than constantly fly round the world like she once did. In fact I think until last year when Rene died and she was in the news a lot most people in the UK had kind of forgotten about her. Also the shows this year in the UK were attended by a lot more people of my age than the shows in 2008. That is because people of my age remember her songs from the 90's when they were teenagers like I was.

[Javito]

Actually, MHWGO brought a lot of younger fans in, believe it or not...due to the massive amount of young people who were "Titanic" fanatics. Also, this idea that she was only marketed and liked mostly by older people in the 90s is such a weak argument, because there are many people my age that are fans. People who grew up with her music. Her post 2000 singles (ANDHC, I'm alive, IDAN) were not nearly as successful as when she was at her peak in the 90s. (IDAN didn't even crack the top 40 here in the US.) And even at her most popular, she still has only had 4 #1s on the Hot 100. The 2000's were not career building years for her. There was an interest in her still, yes. But it was not a continuum of the MHWGO success. The early 2000s were far from the peak of her career. She had already established that by then.

 

Whatever.

 

Sorry but with ANDHC and One Heart she was played in many European radios that she would have never been with any single from her precedent English studio album, LTAL, if it wasn't for the massive success of Titanic and MHWGO. She wouldn't have been played anywhere in most European pop radios with ballad singles like The Reason, Immortality or Tell Him, simply because most of these European radios are aimed to young audiences that don't listen slow ballads.

 

And thanks to IDAN, pop radios (in Europe at least, I don't know about the US) they had something fresh to play while she took 5 years to release Taking Chances (which was barely played in radios by the way and with that album she had been forgotten by most radios around the world).

 

The drastic change in her radio airplay was from 2003 and on, not a moment before.

 

And that she had established her peak by 2000 doesn't mean she didn't continue enjoying great success in 2002 and 2003, which she did (particularly throughout Europe). If it wasn't for singles like ANDHC, I'm Alive and IDAN, she wouldn't have been anywhere in radios after Titanic because she only had one known uptempo single for radios, and that was TTWII. The proof that her peak continued is that radios wanted to hear more from her with her comeback in 2002, and she approached a younger audience that she hadn't met before with great success.

Edited December 29, 2017 at 05:10 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Whatever.

 

Sorry but with ANDHC and One Heart she was played in many European radios that she would have never been with any single from her precedent English studio album, LTAL, but for MHWGO.

 

And thanks to IDAN, pop radios (in Europe at least, I don't know about the US) they had something fresh to play while she took 5 years to release Taking Chances (which was barely played in radios by the way and with that album she had been forgotten by most radios around the world).

 

The drastic change in her radio airplay was from 2003 and on, not a moment before.

 

And that she had established her peak by 2000 doesn't mean she didn't continue enjoying great success in 2002 and 2003, which she did (particularly throughout Europe). If it wasn't for singles like ANDHC, I'm Alive and IDAN, she wouldn't have been anywhere in radios after Titanic because she only had one known uptempo single for radios, and that was TTWII. The proof that her peak continued is that radios wanted to hear more from her with her comeback in 2002, and she approached a younger audience that she hadn't met before with great success.

 

 

Nobody said it wasn't a successful era for her. It just wasn't anywhere near the same as her peak years. She was played on the radio quite often in the 90's. The early to mid 90s was her uprise and the late 90s was her peak. The numbers don't lie when it comes to this. This is an actual fact. While the ANDHC period was good, it was not the same as before she took her break. Which was to be expected. The general public's taste in music vastly changed at the turn of the millennium. The early 2000's saw radio turning to a lot more rock and hip-hop oriented genres of music. Yes, Celine's return was exciting for the industry, but the success paled in comparison to the height of her career. It was a very different (albeit enjoyable) era for Celine. But I don't see how it can be compared in any way to when she was at her most popular. I'm sorry you missed those years as a fan, but it doesn't change the fact that her biggest success and height of popularity was in the late 90s.

[zuv]

Adele is raising the bar high, i’m hoping Celine is being pushed by that and is recording a quality ballad album like she used to in the 90’s but obviously with modern music

 

And i believe she is, bbecause it sounds like she is co-writing. If she did, she needs to play that card during her promo tour in interviews, people are very sensitive about the fact that artists are writing their own lyrics, more so today i feel (tyler swift, adele etc...) that will sale

Edited December 29, 2017 at 05:40 PM by zuv

[fred]

She can go over 10 M

 

if Adele did why not the Queen

Coz Adele has great songs! High quality production. That both speaks from the soul and appeals to the masses. And somewhat coherent sound.

 

[CSCfan]

Coz Adele has great songs! High quality production. That both speaks from the soul and appeals to the masses. And somewhat coherent sound.

 

I think it has more to the do with the voice. While I agree Adele's songs are stunning, they're not spectacular (esp on her last album) and on par with Céline's material (from the 90's). People just relate to her voice more (currently).

[Xpresso]

Sony will never drop Céline. Come on, they made a ton of money with her and she still sells a minimum of 1M per album released (with minimum promotion budget) - which is a success by today's standards.

Sure there are some exceptions with "fresh artists" (such as Adele) but after a while they will also get less radio airplay and less sales. It's just normal. The most difficult is to maintain your career afloat and Céline has clearly achieved that, and Sony is not complaining!

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I think it has more to the do with the voice. While I agree Adele's songs are stunning, they're not spectacular (esp on her last album) and on par with Céline's material (from the 90's). People just relate to her voice more (currently).

 

I think Adele's last album was wonderful!! And to be honest, lyrically speaking, Adele's songs have more depth than Celine's. Celine's songs are definitely more schmaltzy and saccharine than Adele's. Which I don't mind. I am a sucker for schmaltz.

[CSCfan]

I think Adele's last album was wonderful!! And to be honest, lyrically speaking, Adele's songs have more depth than Celine's. Celine's songs are definitely more schmaltzy and saccharine than Adele's. Which I don't mind. I am a sucker for schmaltz.

 

25 was a snoozefest. There's maybe 3-4 songs that are amazing, the rest...meh. While I kinda agree that her songs have more depth (mainly coz she (co-)writes them herself and speaks from personal experience), it's a ballad overload. I like coherence, but not this way... at least Céline has a very mixed repertoire.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

25 was a snoozefest. There's maybe 3-4 songs that are amazing, the rest...meh. While I kinda agree that her songs have more depth (mainly coz she (co-)writes them herself and speaks from personal experience), it's a ballad overload. I like coherence, but not this way... at least Céline has a very mixed repertoire.

 

They're different artists, while Adele can fill an arena, I feel she's more suited for more upscale lounges and ballroom type settings. Intimate venues.

[CSCfan]

They're different artists, while Adele can fill an arena, I feel she's more suited for more upscale lounges and ballroom type settings. Intimate venues.

 

True, but in the end they're very similar artists: Céline was considered the ballad queen of the '90's and Adele at this very moment.

But like I said, Céline has always had a mixed repertoire, but they always went for ballads as single, while Adele practically only has ballads in her repertoire.

[MaxRayÎles]

Okay... I don't get it. Why do people still care about album sales anyway? We know Céline is a legend, and she doesn't have to proove anything to anyone. And why are we comparing her to Adele or other artists? I think people love Adele's songs mostly because she writes them so we know she really feels them... I personally have so much respect for those who take time to actually make a song other than just interpret it, if I make sense. But Céline's personality goes beyond her artistic side. It's not like I agree with all the decisions she makes artistic wise, but I don't think I ever questioned her ability to be a mother, a lover, a friend... That for me compensate for her (sometimes) lack of interest she's got for her carrer.

 

Ps: "lack of interest in her carrer" may not be the right expression, but I'm French so I don't quite know how to say it... (2015, 2016 and 2017 were really strong years and she worked her #ss off with two AWESOME tours and a splendide French album).

[gafsa]

ANDHC is rarely played in my country, and the only time i heard IDAN on the radio is because I requested it. Thankfully in MTV they play ANDHC so some people know the existence of that album. I remember my young friend really curious about the Rain Tax song that played on MTV promotion when she become artist of the month, he really likes the songs from that album that used in promotion, but I don't know why it looks like radio stations didn't give a chance. I've tried to request it but they don't want to play and give me another stong instead and said i requested it, I'm so upset because I don't even like the song they play and said it was me who requested it, and it happen many times of I request Celine song.

[célinedionfan_16]

Okay... I don't get it. Why do people still care about album sales anyway? We know Céline is a legend, and she doesn't have to proove anything to anyone. And why are we comparing her to Adele or other artists? I think people love Adele's songs mostly because she writes them so we know she really feels them... I personally have so much respect for those who take time to actually make a song other than just interpret it, if I make sense. But Céline's personality goes beyond her artistic side. It's not like I agree with all the decisions she makes artistic wise, but I don't think I ever questioned her ability to be a mother, a lover, a friend... That for me compensate for her (sometimes) lack of interest she's got for her carrer.

 

Ps: "lack of interest in her carrer" may not be the right exp<b></b>ression, but I'm French so I don't quite know how to say it... (2015, 2016 and 2017 were really strong years and she worked her #ss off with two AWESOME tours and a splendide French album).

 

EUS was fabulous, but a good English album is long overdue. And we care about album sales bc she needs new shoes lol

[MaxRayÎles]

 

EUS was fabulous, but a good English album is long overdue. And we care about album sales bc she needs new shoes lol

You need new shoes, Jacob. Edited December 30, 2017 at 06:36 AM by MaxRayÎles

[Javito]

ANDHC is rarely played in my country, and the only time i heard IDAN on the radio is because I requested it. Thankfully in MTV they play ANDHC so some people know the existence of that album. I remember my young friend really curious about the Rain Tax song that played on MTV promotion when she become artist of the month, he really likes the songs from that album that used in promotion, but I don't know why it looks like radio stations didn't give a chance. I've tried to request it but they don't want to play and give me another stong instead and said i requested it, I'm so upset because I don't even like the song they play and said it was me who requested it, and it happen many times of I request Celine song.

 

I don't understand, what's the problem? You request a song from ANDHC album and they play another one?

[gafsa]

 

 

I don't understand, what's the problem? You request a song from ANDHC album and they play another one?

 

Yes, I request ANDHC and they play a song from another artist. I don't mind if they didn't play what I am request, but to say I request another song from another artist is beyond annoying.

[gafsa]

Double post Edited December 30, 2017 at 09:42 AM by gafsa

[celinesounds]

Coz Adele has great songs! High quality production. That both speaks from the soul and appeals to the masses. And somewhat coherent sound.

 

Falling into You +32 M

Let's Talk About Love + 31M

The Colour of My Love + 20M

A New Day Has Come +12M

 

Total +

200 million

 

 

we just need a good producer who knows how to drive the new album

 

With the right song, with a Music Video and some decent promotion the new album can go over 5 M

 

no single, no video, no promotion 1,3M

[Katie]

Falling into You +32 M

Let's Talk About Love + 31M

The Colour of My Love + 20M

A New Day Has Come +12M

 

Total +

200 million

 

 

 

we just need a good producer who knows how to drive the new album

 

With the right song, with a Music Video and some decent promotion the new album can go over 5 M

 

no single, no video, no promotion 1,3M

 

You can add: All the way...A decade of songs: 25 Million sold and These are Special Times: 14 Million copies

[Bruno Portugal]

And those numbers need an update because Celine keeps selling.

[emi&celine]

I think Adele's last album was wonderful!! And to be honest, lyrically speaking, Adele's songs have more depth than Celine's. Celine's songs are definitely more schmaltzy and saccharine than Adele's. Which I don't mind. I am a sucker for schmaltz.

 

Sorry...but personally I find "The Colour of My Love", "Call The Man", "The Reason", "Immortality", "Let's Talk About Love", "A New Day Has Come", "Faith" or "Taking Chances" (just to name a few) richer lyrically than "Hello".

 

I like Adele a lot too...but I think they both have great and less good lyrics!

[Xpresso]

And many of the biggest hits from those "writers" were actually co-written... yet they pretend they write all their songs...

[RosieBarron]

Nobody said it wasn't a successful era for her. It just wasn't anywhere near the same as her peak years. She was played on the radio quite often in the 90's. The early to mid 90s was her uprise and the late 90s was her peak. The numbers don't lie when it comes to this. This is an actual fact. While the ANDHC period was good, it was not the same as before she took her break. Which was to be expected. The general public's taste in music vastly changed at the turn of the millennium. The early 2000's saw radio turning to a lot more rock and hip-hop oriented genres of music. Yes, Celine's return was exciting for the industry, but the success paled in comparison to the height of her career. It was a very different (albeit enjoyable) era for Celine. But I don't see how it can be compared in any way to when she was at her most popular. I'm sorry you missed those years as a fan, but it doesn't change the fact that her biggest success and height of popularity was in the late 90s.

 

I think you might be on to a losing battle with this argument. Ever feel like you're banging your head against a brick wall? And yes you are clearly right about this.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I think you might be on to a losing battle with this argument. Ever feel like you're banging your head against a brick wall? And yes you are clearly right about this.

 

 

Like, it just annoys me that someone would even say that the early 2000's were a continuation of her peak, when the evidence is there in numbers, on YouTube, internet archives. It's okay to be disappointed that you missed such an era, but to blatantly make shít up to suit you so that you can sound correct in your own mind is downright infuriating.

[incognito]

but to blatantly make shít up to suit you so that you can sound correct in your own mind is downright infuriating.

 

Trump doesn’t post here.

[DionFanAlways]

 

 

Trump doesn’t post here.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Trump doesn’t post here.

 

One never knows...

[Javito]

Like, it just annoys me that someone would even say that the early 2000's were a continuation of her peak, when the evidence is there in numbers, on YouTube, internet archives. It's okay to be disappointed that you missed such an era, but to blatantly make shít up to suit you so that you can sound correct in your own mind is downright infuriating.

 

As if figures and sales were the only indicator to measure the success and popularity of an album/singer.

 

It's even more infuriating that just because you're seeing it with the narrowminded perspective of the album performance in the US, Céline's career and success beyond 2002 didn't have the success you experienced in the US in the 90s. But here's someone from Europe that also lived the promotion of her comeback album in 2002 and can confirm that Céline enjoyed a level of popularity and fame across all Europe with ANDHC, that was as great as in 1999 if not more, with all the promotion and all the TV shows and countries she visited for that album.

 

Céline in 2002 was requested and demanded to be literally everywhere throughout Europe, a demand with that album that is not even comparable to what she did with FIY or LTAL (the latter for which she came to promote most and above all, the MHWGO single).

 

With ANDHC she came to promote and do TV shows in countries in Europe where she had never taped a TV show before, including Spain and I think Holland too. That didn't happen with her peak in the 90s as you claim.

 

I reckon Céline did concentrate most of her promotion first and foremost in the US and Canada during the 90s, and fans from the US see her peak as concentrated in the period 1996-1999, but in 2002, they pulled out all the stops within Europe (and I'm glad they did!). North America most part of the promotion-cake for all those years, having Céline on TV 24/7, but that wasn't the case in Europe during those years. We received what we saw she did in America, and ocassionally she came here to perform in certain music awards, live concerts or other shows, but scarcely and only punctually on TV shows. She did more promotion for her French D'eux and SSDA albums on TV in France and French-speaking countries than all what she could do for FIY or LTAL on TV for the rest of Europe.

 

In 2002, every TV show wanted her, or every Sony Music branch was interested to have her promoting in every country, take it as it pleases you most. That also is an indicator that proves she was still at the peak of her career and still enjoying the momentum that MHWGO brought to her career only 4 years before (FOUR years! It's not a decade difference!). Not in vain most TV shows remembered the Titanic success (still going in 1999, three years before) and introducing her with the MHWGO single.

 

There's a world outside how good/regular/bad an album performs in the US charts, and if you perceived her success as mediocre in 2002 in the US (which I highly doubt) believe me it wasn't the case in Europe, and I'm sure there's a good bunch of European fans in this forum who can confirm what I'm saying about her presence and popularity in Europe...

 

And btw I lived very well the era of her peak with LTAL and ATW singles (though I wasn't a fan): according to your profile we're only one year apart. But it only took me some time and research through the years to realise that, while Céline did concentrate most of the promotion for her FIY and LTAL albums in the US, she did likewise with ANDHC for Europe. I can understand if you living in the US cannot realise of how BIG it was the promotion here, bigger than in the US/Canada and actually anywhere else

 

So yep, that said, I can restate that her peak continued intact in 2002 throughout Europe, even reinforced because of the MHWGO shadow and appreciaton from all TV hosts and the public (maybe because we didn't have Céline so much, in some many countries and with the same regularity as the US had her in the 90s - suffice to say that the 2002 promotion had TWO rounds, with her coming back for a second promo tour in autumn of the same year )

Edited December 31, 2017 at 02:17 AM by Javito