"Courage" album - Official Topic

October 30, 2017 at 12:18 PM

I advise some of you to give the new albums of pink and Kelly Clarkson a listen. A few very nice songs on there with a vibe of how I could somewhat envision Celine trying to do. Both albums are absolutely amazing.

October 30, 2017 at 01:03 PM

Céline is the new Pink! :-D

October 30, 2017 at 01:38 PM

I despise the new Kelly Clarkson album. It's horribly boring.

I love the new Pink album.

October 30, 2017 at 02:57 PM

This is the only songs that i bought from Kelly's new album. P!nk's new album is sounds greater than kelly's

October 30, 2017 at 03:03 PM

All of my Céline Dion albums on iTunes... #share lol

October 30, 2017 at 03:03 PM

October 30, 2017 at 05:46 PM

And this is really sad as I love Kelly.

October 30, 2017 at 07:02 PM

I’ve been a Celine Dion fan for nearly 3 decades. It was fun to read your comments though. 😘 You think Celine still needs to “prove herself”? Oh goodness.... Spend some time learning about her career. And “everyone’s sick of the same old Celine”? Ummmmmm.... Well, I happen to admire Celine’s incredible work ethic, her many recent projects and concerts and recordings, & how her voice can still so crystalline and powerful after all these years. So I’m not exactly sick of her. And the fact that the general public is still selling out her shows is a good sign people aren’t sick of her.

Also...

Hardly any of the songs Celine’s recorded since the A New Day Has Come album have remained staples in her concerts. That speaks volumes. The vast majority of the general public didn’t seem to care much about the recent songs she’s recorded that were trying to sound hip. Celine is classy and has a one of a kind voice. Who cares about working with “hitmakers”? Her classic songs are epic ballads and love songs. She should continue embracing her untouchable gift with modern day versions of what she does better than anyone else. I would say the same for Mariah if she could still sing like she used to and Whitney Houston as well.

I stand by everything I posted before.

"didn’t seem to care much about the recent songs she’s recorded that were trying to sound hip." First of ALL, no one even knows those songs BECAUSE THEY WERE A FLOP, her label didn't release ANY single/video, and didn't promote none as well, anyways the only "FRESH/modern" single on that album was LMBTL, rest are those same ballads, and the FRESH single is the reason why the album gained MIXED reviews, they said that was ALMOST a reivention....

October 30, 2017 at 08:07 PM

I advise some of you to give the new albums of pink and Kelly Clarkson a listen. A few very nice songs on there with a vibe of how I could somewhat envision Celine trying to do. Both albums are absolutely amazing.

New P!nk album is another great album, just like her previous "The Truth About Love". The talents and songwriting skills of this girl are amazing :blush: :blush: :blush:

October 30, 2017 at 08:25 PM

I advise some of you to give the new albums of pink and Kelly Clarkson a listen. A few very nice songs on there with a vibe of how I could somewhat envision Celine trying to do. Both albums are absolutely amazing.

I adore both of these albums

October 30, 2017 at 09:57 PM

I advise some of you to give the new albums of pink and Kelly Clarkson a listen. A few very nice songs on there with a vibe of how I could somewhat envision Celine trying to do. Both albums are absolutely amazing.

These are two albums I've been wanting to listen to.

October 30, 2017 at 11:46 PM

that play list looks like mine with a few bootlegs

October 31, 2017 at 05:10 AM

These are two albums I've been wanting to listen to.

Do it!

October 31, 2017 at 07:17 AM

that cover to "Listen to me" is official?

October 31, 2017 at 07:52 AM

that cover to "Listen to me" is official?

No

October 31, 2017 at 08:14 AM

No

thanks

October 31, 2017 at 09:19 AM

that cover to "Listen to me" is official?

No, i just made that up

October 31, 2017 at 09:28 AM

No, i just made that up

nice job

October 31, 2017 at 05:47 PM

Also...

Hardly any of the songs Celine’s recorded since the A New Day Has Come album have remained staples in her concerts. That speaks volumes. The vast majority of the general public didn’t seem to care much about the recent songs she’s recorded that were trying to sound hip. Celine is classy and has a one of a kind voice. Who cares about working with “hitmakers”? Her classic songs are epic ballads and love songs. She should continue embracing her untouchable gift with modern day versions of what she does better than anyone else.

I say why that hasn't really worked is because she has never gone all the way with exploring new ground, mostly only dipping one toe and never gone in fully. And that shines through, and gives the feeling that "she's trying too much" when in fact she should go all the way.

Last time Celine went somewhat all in with new sound and still sounding like her was in IDAN, and that worked out pretty good. Hasn't she used it in every tour since? Problem here was that it was ONE song. And the same with LMBTL. You hear a new "hip" well produced single, buying the album expecting more of that quality, only to find there was nothing more like it. OH neede MORE of IDAN and LMBTL needed more tracks like it. It's so sad. These last albums have been more like a single with around 12 b-sides....

The problem that she never gets a current sound also lies in the fact that she takes like 4 years to do an album and trends pass by.

Someone mentioned P!nk's latest album. Could totally see Celine do a cover like that. And it would be a dream if she did an album like that: coherent and fine quality in many many more tracks than just one.... That would be heaven to me. Seems so easy for other artists but so hard for Celine.

/fred

October 31, 2017 at 06:32 PM

I say why that hasn't really worked is because she has never gone all the way with exploring new ground, mostly only dipping one toe and never gone in fully. And that shines through, and gives the feeling that "she's trying too much" when in fact she should go all the way.

Last time Celine went somewhat all in with new sound and still sounding like her was in IDAN, and that worked out pretty good. Hasn't she used it in every tour since? Problem here was that it was ONE song. And the same with LMBTL. You hear a new "hip" well produced single, buying the album expecting more of that quality, only to find there was nothing more like it. OH neede MORE of IDAN and LMBTL needed more tracks like it. It's so sad. These last albums have been more like a single with around 12 b-sides....

The problem that she never gets a current sound also lies in the fact that she takes like 4 years to do an album and trends pass by.

Someone mentioned P!nk's latest album. Could totally see Celine do a cover like that. And it would be a dream if she did an album like that: coherent and fine quality in many many more tracks than just one.... That would be heaven to me. Seems so easy for other artists but so hard for Celine.

/fred

Agree on LMBTL, but OH is a great POP-album, which is well produced and has a nice flow. :wub: .

Edited October 31, 2017 at 06:33 PM by comingback

October 31, 2017 at 06:38 PM

Agree on LMBTL, but OH is a great POP-album, which is well produced and has a nice flow. .

My problem with OH is that it had a rushed production.

I could be a perfect album if Celine had more time to record her vocals.

October 31, 2017 at 07:17 PM

My problem with OH is that it had a rushed production.
I could be a perfect album if Celine had more time to record her vocals.

Most of OH are songs from the ANDHC sessions...

October 31, 2017 at 08:33 PM

1 " The general public wants Celine Dion to embrace her classiness and elegance." HAHAHSHSHSU NO. The GP wants Céline do prove herself... to do something different... Everyone's sick of the same old Céline

2 ... when ACTUALLY she needs to do collaborations with HITMAKERS...

Maybe YOU want her to do something different. And that's fine, I like that too.

But you cannot say that's what the GP wants, unless you're blind & deaf! She HAD hit makers for her last two lead singles (kara dioguardi & sia) and it floped. Yes, last promo tour was minimal, no video, etc.

But TC had it. It was uptempo & rocky. The critics were good. Radio played it a bit. But it was never a hit (except in Canada of course).

That's the way it is only reached #6 on Billboard, when My heart will go on, Because You loved me and The Power of love topped the charts. Even If you asked me to went higher!

So the GP (not fans!) clearly doesn't care about a modern Celine. What they want is the Timeless Ballad Singing Celine.

Do people in France remember Tout l'or des hommes? No. But they yearn for Je t'aime encore... which she still sings.

No coincidence here. Yes, Tout l'or des hommes topped the charts. But it's the timeless song that remained in GP's minds.

Have we to regret it? I don't know. But.. that's the way it is!

Maybe a modern song would make it... but her career advocates otherwise.

As for the critics... who cares?! They hated the 90's Celine, and yet she made hits. So we really don't need them.

Edited October 31, 2017 at 08:35 PM by JulienMcbeal

October 31, 2017 at 09:58 PM

Maybe YOU want her to do something different. And that's fine, I like that too.
But you cannot say that's what the GP wants, unless you're blind & deaf! She HAD hit makers for her last two lead singles (kara dioguardi & sia) and it floped. Yes, last promo tour was minimal, no video, etc.
But TC had it. It was uptempo & rocky. The critics were good. Radio played it a bit. But it was never a hit (except in Canada of course).

That's the way it is only reached #6 on Billboard, when My heart will go on, Because You loved me and The Power of love topped the charts. Even If you asked me to went higher!
So the GP (not fans!) clearly doesn't care about a modern Celine. What they want is the Timeless Ballad Singing Celine.
Do people in France remember Tout l'or des hommes? No. But they yearn for Je t'aime encore... which she still sings.
No coincidence here. Yes, Tout l'or des hommes topped the charts. But it's the timeless song that remained in GP's minds.
Have we to regret it? I don't know. But.. that's the way it is!

Maybe a modern song would make it... but her career advocates otherwise.

As for the critics... who cares?! They hated the 90's Celine, and yet she made hits. So we really don't need them.

"She HAD hit makers for her last two lead singles (kara dioguardi & sia) and it floped".

NO SHE DIDN'T, first of ALL...I meant FEATURINGS, 2nd...In 2013 Sia HAD NO HITS....& 3rd, EVERYONE KNOWS lmbtl WOULD BE A HIT if it had A VIDEO + PROMO..

"But TC had it. It was uptempo & rocky. The critics were good."

TAKING CHANCES UPTEMPO? shhsysysusu It's an album full of ballads, are you really thinking a pop-ROCK song like Taking Chances would be a hit in the usa? It obviously wouldn't, THE ONLY modern/pop song on Taking Chances is EYES ON ME, yet they didn't work on it as a single...

& Why did you even say the critics for Taking Chances were good? The album is YELLOW SCORED on METACRITIC with a lot of bad reviews, they said Céline always fails at trying to reivent her song because she never do it right & always record those boring ballads, they said "not many chances were taken" shdhdhhdjsj

"That's the way it is only reached #6 on Billboard, even IUAMT went higher"

YET, "THATS THE WAY IT IS" is her MOST ACCLAIMED SINGLE & peaked at #6 with only AIRPLAY, they didn't even sell physical copies....If Céline's ballads were really this great "That's the way It is" wouldn't have been HER LAST TOP 10, so yeah, last time Céline had a hit was when she did a "modern" song for that time

October 31, 2017 at 11:49 PM

"She HAD hit makers for her last two lead singles (kara dioguardi & sia) and it floped".
NO SHE DIDN'T, first of ALL...I meant FEATURINGS, 2nd...In 2013 Sia HAD NO HITS....& 3rd, EVERYONE KNOWS lmbtl WOULD BE A HIT if it had A VIDEO + PROMO..

"But TC had it. It was uptempo & rocky. The critics were good."
TAKING CHANCES UPTEMPO? shhsysysusu It's an album full of ballads, are you really thinking a pop-ROCK song like Taking Chances would be a hit in the usa? It obviously wouldn't, THE ONLY modern/pop song on Taking Chances is EYES ON ME, yet they didn't work on it as a single...
& Why did you even say the critics for Taking Chances were good? The album is YELLOW SCORED on METACRITIC with a lot of bad reviews, they said Céline always fails at trying to reivent her song because she never do it right & always record those boring ballads, they said "not many chances were taken" shdhdhhdjsj

"That's the way it is only reached #6 on Billboard, even IUAMT went higher"
YET, "THATS THE WAY IT IS" is her MOST ACCLAIMED SINGLE & peaked at #6 with only AIRPLAY, they didn't even sell physical copies....If Céline's ballads were really this great "That's the way It is" wouldn't have been HER LAST TOP 10, so yeah, last time Céline had a hit was when she did a "modern" song for that time

Taking Chances...the promotion was actually decent for the amount of time in which they had to promote it. But again, quarter 4 may be good for sales, but for airplay it's a shitty time to release anything to radio. It's literally 4 weeks of holiday music starting the day after Thanksgiving here in the US. However, TC I think would have gained some traction had it been released even a month earlier. It peaked at #54 on the hot 100...as a new single. Z100 had it on a decent rotation until they switched over to the holiday playlist. It also reached #1 on the Billboard Dance chart, #6 on AC. Not terrible for a 40 year old female balladeer, releasing a pop/rock song on the cusp of the holiday season.

November 1, 2017 at 12:28 AM

I crave a modern day Falling Into You. :wub:

November 1, 2017 at 03:51 AM

EVERYONE KNOWS lmbtl WOULD BE A HIT if it had A VIDEO + PROMO..

LMBTL had a ton of promo. There was the radio deal that her played once an hour on the hour when the song was first released. There was the insane 3-day nonstop session of radio/print interviews. In terms of TV, right around the release in November, she did Jimmy Fallon, The View, Today, QVC, Dr. Oz, CBS This Morning, Extra. Not to mention all the shows she did around the single release: Jimmy Kimmel, Access Hollywood, Extra, Today, Larry King, ET, Ellen. Plus, The Voice, which EVERYONE here wanted her to do, but which didn't make that much difference. There was also a live video from the Quebec concert.

That's not counting all the stuff she did overseas, and it did end up being a hit in the UK. But the American public just didn't care about the new Celine. They still want to hear MHWGO. It's not surprising - it's true of most big stars. They have hits in one era, and that's what most people associate them with and want to hear. It's beyond rare for a star to keep having new hits with new sounds for many decades. Honestly, I think it's highly unlikely that she will ever have another major English-language hit single, no matter how much promo she does. But she'll probably always sell albums decently, and she'll probably always sell out concerts, because she's an amazing performer, she gives people what they want (which is to say: the big hits, and a mix of other songs), and she's very beloved.

And there's not going to be more promo than there was for LMBTL for future singles -- because Celine's just not going to do it. She's never liked promo, and the time in her life when she was willing to do nonstop promo is just over. In future, we're likely to see LESS promo, not more - it's not the priority in her life. (She did ZERO promo for Encore Un Soir, other than singing it in her concerts).

November 1, 2017 at 06:02 AM

LMBTL had a ton of promo. There was the radio deal that her played once an hour on the hour when the song was first released. There was the insane 3-day nonstop session of radio/print interviews. In terms of TV, right around the release in November, she did Jimmy Fallon, The View, Today, QVC, Dr. Oz, CBS This Morning, Extra. Not to mention all the shows she did around the single release: Jimmy Kimmel, Access Hollywood, Extra, Today, Larry King, ET, Ellen. Plus, The Voice, which EVERYONE here wanted her to do, but which didn't make that much difference. There was also a live video from the Quebec concert.

That's not counting all the stuff she did overseas, and it did end up being a hit in the UK. But the American public just didn't care about the new Celine. They still want to hear MHWGO. It's not surprising - it's true of most big stars. They have hits in one era, and that's what most people associate them with and want to hear. It's beyond rare for a star to keep having new hits with new sounds for many decades. Honestly, I think it's highly unlikely that she will ever have another major English-language hit single, no matter how much promo she does. But she'll probably always sell albums decently, and she'll probably always sell out concerts, because she's an amazing performer, she gives people what they want (which is to say: the big hits, and a mix of other songs), and she's very beloved.

And there's not going to be more promo than there was for LMBTL for future singles -- because Celine's just not going to do it. She's never liked promo, and the time in her life when she was willing to do nonstop promo is just over. In future, we're likely to see LESS promo, not more - it's not the priority in her life. (She did ZERO promo for Encore Un Soir, other than singing it in her concerts).

" she did Jimmy Fallon, The View, Today, QVC, Dr. Oz, CBS This Morning, Extra. Not to mention all the shows she did around the single release: Jimmy Kimmel, Access Hollywood, Extra, Today, Larry King, ET, Ellen. "

NONE, i mean NONE of these tv shows can give any IMPACT....When I say promo I mean MUSIC AWARDS....& There was no use to promote "incredible", it's like her weakest single EVER...That was a waste, & about LMBTL YESSSS, AGAIN....with an OFFICIAL VIDEO everything would be different, the Gag is majority of Céline stans are +40....so you can't get what I'm saying....

Americans didn't care about the "New Céline" (THAT NEVER EXISTED because she never left her comfort zone) because she's still failing at picking the right singles, lack of promotion & release of videos... otherwise she could come back as big as when Cher released Believe...and then having the SPOTLIGHT again.

November 1, 2017 at 09:32 AM

I advise some of you to give the new albums of pink and Kelly Clarkson a listen. A few very nice songs on there with a vibe of how I could somewhat envision Celine trying to do. Both albums are absolutely amazing.

I didn't like Kelly that much but gave it a try some days ago. Mostly because I liked the cover. haha

I'm blown away. It's real maturity. It's modern, pop, soul, rock and her vocals just amazing ( though a lot processed as her tone is barely recognizable..).

The more I listen to it the more I fear for Céline's.

Whatever the success (Kelly is not that known outside the US...she sure had a few hits but still her status isn't that high and this new album will probably flop), Céline needs something coherent.

November 1, 2017 at 10:11 AM

My problem with OH is that it had a rushed production.
I could be a perfect album if Celine had more time to record her vocals.

Wow if you think OH had a rushed promotion (most of the songs come from ANDHC which had one of the best productions she has ever had), then LMBTL was done like in the blink of an eye, with worst production and arrangements ever in songs like Unfinished Songs, Incredible, Save Your Soul etc. THAT was a rushed album lol

" she did Jimmy Fallon, The View, Today, QVC, Dr. Oz, CBS This Morning, Extra. Not to mention all the shows she did around the single release: Jimmy Kimmel, Access Hollywood, Extra, Today, Larry King, ET, Ellen. "
NONE, i mean NONE of these tv shows can give any IMPACT....When I say promo I mean MUSIC AWARDS....& There was no use to promote "incredible", it's like her weakest single EVER...That was a waste, & about LMBTL YESSSS, AGAIN....with an OFFICIAL VIDEO everything would be different, the Gag is majority of Céline stans are +40....so you can't get what I'm saying....
Americans didn't care about the "New Céline" (THAT NEVER EXISTED because she never left her comfort zone) because she's still failing at picking the right singles, lack of promotion & release of videos... otherwise she could come back as big as when Cher released Believe...and then having the SPOTLIGHT again.

Just two things:

1. Videoclips are compulsory today. More than ever. She urgently needs to release again videoclips, or she will be nowhere to be seen in social networks. Period.

2. Taking Chances had good songs, and many radio friendly songs, but as usually, it's in the single selection of songs that they spoil it all. Eyes On Me was there, Surprise Surprise was there, Can't Fight The Feelin' was there, Fade Away... yet they used covers and the most insipid ones again. Having the right songs which are crying out to be sent to radios, they pick the wrong ones. This has been happening since 2002 when they sent GTSW to radios :innocent:

They need to change that decision-making process and identify clearly which are the songs suitable for radio.

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