"Courage" album - Official Topic

[jpatdeleon09]

i miss the time where she release an album every year

 

1990 - unison

1991 - french album

1992 - celine dion

1993 - the colour of my love

1994 - french live album

1995 - d'eux

1996 - falling into you

1997 - let's talk about love

1998 - s'il suffisait d'aimed

1999 - all the way

 

2002 - a new day has come

2003 - one heart/1 fille et 4 types

2004 - miracle/a new day live in las vegas

2005 - on ne change pas

2006 - single (tous le secrets)

2007 - taking chances/d'elles

2008 - my love essential collection (and japanese singles)

 

2012 - sans anttendre

2013- loved me back to life

 

2016- encore un soir (some english singles "recovering" and "the show must go on")

 

2017?

2018?

Edited November 12, 2017 at 09:06 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Javito]

I think we're all missing that. It all started in 2006. Since that year, she started breaking the "rule" of having one music release every year (not counting her hiatus in 2000-2001). It was already odd enough when her own record label (for more than 15 years) didn't release anything to commemorate her 25th career anniversary in 2006. Didn't release anything in 2011 either, when they had the perfect excuse 1) to commemorate the 30th anniversary and 2) to release something while LMBTL came out.

 

And in then in 10 years, she has only released two English albums.

 

But at the same time, in the last 15 years she has performed over 1400 shows, including Vegas, one world tour and the European mini tours.

 

She's clearly a singing machine made for the stage. But it's a real pity she's wasting her voice performing clone concerts and not recording new music and new projects along the way Thank Vegas for this.

Edited November 12, 2017 at 11:54 AM by Javito

[Shaun]

Celine's passion has always been performing live as opposed to recording. Of course in the 80's and 90's when she was building her career she released music more frequently as she almost had to back then in order to keep on building the success she was achieving. In addition, back then thanks to the incredible deals Rene signed there was actually money to be made in recording and releasing music as she was getting a cut from the royalties and profits.

 

I very much doubt Celine has made any money at all from any of her music releases from about 2004 onwards. That's why (to an extent) she performs and tours so often as that's where the money is. Of course her love for performing makes it easier but she has no real need to release music now other than to appease her record company (and fans of course) every now and again and to up to her repertoire periodically. She certainly doesn't do it for the money and there's none to be made!

 

I agree however that when Celine isn't recording and releasing then Sony Music have opportunities to release box sets and collectors editions and they don't take these opportunities. I don't mean re-releasing FIY for the 45th time in a 3 album set with LTAL and ANDHC. I mean a release with unreleased songs or remixes. I was delighted when we got the vinyl releases earlier this year and it sounds like that will continue but there's so much more they could be doing.

[celine4evauk]

I think we're all missing that. It all started in 2006. Since that year, she started breaking the "rule" of having one music release every year (not counting her hiatus in 2000-2001). It was already odd enough when her own record label (for more than 15 years) didn't release anything to commemorate her 25th career anniversary in 2006. Didn't release anything in 2011 either, when they had the perfect excuse 1) to commemorate the 30th anniversary and 2) to release something while LMBTL came out.

 

And in then in 10 years, she has only released two English albums.

 

But at the same time, in the last 15 years she has performed over 1400 shows, including Vegas, one world tour and the European mini tours.

 

She's clearly a singing machine made for the stage. But it's a real pity she's wasting her voice performing clone concerts and not recording new music and new projects along the way Thank Vegas for this.

 

Personally I think it's more Thanks Sony. It's usually them who say we want a new album etc - album contracts and all that. 80's & 90's building her career and selling worldwide tickets. 2002 - 2006 promoting LV and trying to sell tickets. Think the last year and the TC tour proved to them she doesn't need to release a new album (or a massive number 1 album) to sell tickets. So I don't think they're that focused on new material. Celine performs and Sony releases the old albums time and time again.

But like we've all said so many times before. Sony could at least release the old albums with a DVD or a second cd with rarities or concert or making of etc. They've got so much material and yet they do nothing with it. I mean, surely copies of FIY + a DVD or cd 2 would sell more than another rerelease of the same album?? Or am I being naive??

[Javito]

Celine's passion has always been performing live as opposed to recording. Of course in the 80's and 90's when she was building her career she released music more frequently as she almost had to back then in order to keep on building the success she was achieving. In addition, back then thanks to the incredible deals Rene signed there was actually money to be made in recording and releasing music as she was getting a cut from the royalties and profits.

 

I very much doubt Celine has made any money at all from any of her music releases from about 2004 onwards. That's why (to an extent) she performs and tours so often as that's where the money is. Of course her love for performing makes it easier but she has no real need to release music now other than to appease her record company (and fans of course) every now and again and to up to her repertoire periodically. She certainly doesn't do it for the money and there's none to be made!

 

I agree however that when Celine isn't recording and releasing then Sony Music have opportunities to release box sets and collectors editions and they don't take these opportunities. I don't mean re-releasing FIY for the 45th time in a 3 album set with LTAL and ANDHC. I mean a release with unreleased songs or remixes. I was delighted when we got the vinyl releases earlier this year and it sounds like that will continue but there's so much more they could be doing.

 

I agree except with that there's no money to be made on recording and releasing new music today. Thank God, the bad days of the music industry are almost gone, and music in physical format is growing in demand and value again. That's why vinyls are back in production again, record plants are in a hectic mode and record labels releasing both new and old music in all kinds of formats, packages and collector editions with tons of different extras, depending on the artist. Just wait for the Christmas blitz with all the releases. Even the younger generations are starting to appreciate having the real album on their hands and not just streaming online.

 

To give an example, in my country (Spain), which was one of the countries where music piracy stroke the hardest (to my embarrassment I must say) and was a constant headline at the top of countries where more music was illegaly copied and shared, today I'm seeing all record labels, both major labels and other independent labels, release music from Spanish singers in the most varied ways, quality and tons of extras, all of it with an incredible attention to detail, that I've never seen before. This was inconceivable 5 years ago, let alone in the early 00s. Also, the vinyl fever is here, which was nothing but a dream 10 years ago. So if in Spain things are doing good for the music releases in physical format, I assume they're much better in many other countries.

 

So I just can't agree with the thought of Celine releasing music and new recordings not being profitable for them. They just don't care anymore. But it's not like Céline doesn't have (didn't?) the projects an dreams (recording that jazz, Spanish album?). The problem, as it has been hinted again -and have always been at a 80% or more- is Céline's record label, who seem to have lost all interest in expanding her music collection and maintaining her legacy alive

 

That, and an unlimited, ceaseless ambition from her management and Caesars Palace to exploit the hen of the golden eggs with more and more shows all the time, in a frenetic mode. But of course, while she is performing, she doesn't record

 

Personally I think it's more Thanks Sony. It's usually them who say we want a new album etc - album contracts and all that. 80's & 90's building her career and selling worldwide tickets. 2002 - 2006 promoting LV and trying to sell tickets. Think the last year and the TC tour proved to them she doesn't need to release a new album (or a massive number 1 album) to sell tickets. So I don't think they're that focused on new material. Celine performs and Sony releases the old albums time and time again.

But like we've all said so many times before. Sony could at least release the old albums with a DVD or a second cd with rarities or concert or making of etc. They've got so much material and yet they do nothing with it. I mean, surely copies of FIY + a DVD or cd 2 would sell more than another rerelease of the same album?? Or am I being naive??

 

This

Edited November 12, 2017 at 01:44 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

I think we're all missing that. It all started in 2006. Since that year, she started breaking the "rule" of having one music release every year (not counting her hiatus in 2000-2001). It was already odd enough when her own record label (for more than 15 years) didn't release anything to commemorate her 25th career anniversary in 2006. Didn't release anything in 2011 either, when they had the perfect excuse 1) to commemorate the 30th anniversary and 2) to release something while LMBTL came out.

 

And in then in 10 years, she has only released two English albums.

 

But at the same time, in the last 15 years she has performed over 1400 shows, including Vegas, one world tour and the European mini tours.

 

She's clearly a singing machine made for the stage. But it's a real pity she's wasting her voice performing clone concerts and not recording new music and new projects along the way Thank Vegas for this.

 

Celine's official 30th with Sony would be in 2020, as it will be 30 years since the release of "Unison." Her first release on a Sony label.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I agree except with that there's no money to be made on recording and releasing new music today. Thank God, the bad days of the music industry are almost gone, and music in physical format is growing in demand and value again. That's why vinyls are back in production again, record plants are in a hectic mode and record labels releasing both new and old music in all kinds of formats, packages and collector editions with tons of different extras, depending on the artist. Just wait for the Christmas blitz with all the releases. Even the younger generations are starting to appreciate having the real album on their hands and not just streaming online.

 

To give an example, in my country (Spain), which was one of the countries where music piracy stroke the hardest (to my embarrassment I must say) and was a constant headline at the top of countries where more music was illegaly copied and shared, today I'm seeing all record labels, both major labels and other independent labels, release music from Spanish singers in the most varied ways, quality and tons of extras, all of it with an incredible attention to detail, that I've never seen before. This was inconceivable 5 years ago, let alone in the early 00s. Also, the vinyl fever is here, which was nothing but a dream 10 years ago. So if in Spain things are doing good for the music releases in physical format, I assume they're much better in many other countries.

 

So I just can't agree with the thought of Celine releasing music and new recordings not being profitable for them. They just don't care anymore. But it's not like Céline doesn't have (didn't?) the projects an dreams (recording that jazz, Spanish album?). The problem, as it has been hinted again -and have always been at a 80% or more- is Céline's record label, who seem to have lost all interest in expanding her music collection and maintaining her legacy alive

 

That, and an unlimited, ceaseless ambition from her management and Caesars Palace to exploit the hen of the golden eggs with more and more shows all the time, in a frenetic mode. But of course, while she is performing, she doesn't record

 

 

 

This

 

 

Honestly, if you ask most people here in the US, they will tell you that they stream their music. Not only that, but they use the free subscription service for things like Spotify or Pandora. They aren't even paying to stream, let alone buy physical copies. Or downloading illegally from torrents. People don't want to spend money on music anymore, and if they are spending money, it's not on full albums. They're cherry picking the songs they like and that's the end of it. Which is why the RIAA had to add a sales strategy to allow for a full album sale to be counted through track by track purchasing.

 

Ryan Tedder of One Republic gave a great interview and was very candid and honest about the fact that albums don't have the same life that they used to. In this age of streaming and instant gratification, people want new stuff almost as fast as they get it. People don't allow their minds to pay attention to a full body of work anymore. They listen a few times, get bored and want something new.

 

"Albums are not selling like they used to, I know that much. Streaming is the future. It’s kind of sad, but if you spend a year and a half making an album, and you make 12 songs. 3 years ago, you could have 5 singles off that album. But in the streaming world, you’re lucky if you get past 2 singles. The album has already been consumed. Once it’s out, in two months it’s consumed. Let’s say the best song on the album is the third single, you might not even get to it. 9 months in, the album’s out and people want something new. This is forcing artists to focus on EPs or just releasing songs. If you want the world to focus on a song, don’t put it on an album."

 

http://schonmagazine.com/interview-ryan-tedder/

 

I wouldn't mind if Celine went this route. Instead of waiting x-amount of years for a new album, she can record a few songs and release them sporadically, or do an EP. I'd be more than okay with that.

Edited November 12, 2017 at 06:59 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Xpresso]

I sure like that idea! Mini albums released or a regular basis...

I love Céline's 15 to 16 track albums but when you think about the short life of an album nowadays, it's not a smart financial move.

No wonder why many big artists only include 11 to 12 songs on their albums.

Maybe if Sony decides to release an EP from Céline, we could have it much sooner.

[joaofilho]

Celine could do a collaboration with Ryan Tender, it would be very good and current. I do not know until when the record companies are going to release the CDs, what I realize is that they are stranded in the stores, it's not the same thing, the way music consumed changed, I even prefer to download music, listen on YouTube than buy albums , the only ones I buy are those of Celine. Some countries selling CDs still works, it is still great, more will end, do not know how they will they will do, until the prizes are going to have to change.

Céline could release an EP or a song every 2 or 3 months would be incredible.

[wjd]

I very much doubt Celine has made any money at all from any of her music releases from about 2004 onwards.

 

I would find this very hard to believe - she was making 19% of every album sale around the release of LTAL in the 90s - this will have grown with each contract she negotiated thereafter. I reckon she was on no less than 25% per album sale (+ the value of the contract) which is ridiculous when you consider she doesn't write music.

[celinesounds]

I would find this very hard to believe - she was making 19% of every album sale around the release of LTAL in the 90s - this will have grown with each contract she negotiated thereafter. I reckon she was on no less than 25% per album sale (+ the value of the contract) which is ridiculous when you consider she doesn't write music.

 

who cares how much she earns, we want songs

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I would find this very hard to believe - she was making 19% of every album sale around the release of LTAL in the 90s - this will have grown with each contract she negotiated thereafter. I reckon she was on no less than 25% per album sale (+ the value of the contract) which is ridiculous when you consider she doesn't write music.

 

The percentage may be large, but the amount of units being sold is dismal compared to the 90s. Nobody makes money off of album sales anymore.

[pat200]

 

 

The percentage may be large, but the amount of units being sold is dismal compared to the 90s. Nobody makes money off of album sales anymore.

Tell that to adele and taylor swift

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

Tell that to adele and taylor swift

 

Very rare exceptions in this decade.

 

The way their records sold, is the way most records sold before piracy and streaming. There aren't many artists who will sell a million records in their first week anymore. Celine is certainly not that artist anymore. She already had that time to shine, and was lucky she was at her peak when she was.

Edited November 13, 2017 at 04:48 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[comingback]

Tell that to adele and taylor swift

 

 

http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/music/877385/Taylor-Swift-Reputation-sales-estimate-forecast-2-million-Big-Machine-first-week

 

 

According to the US publication, Big Machine reckons Reputation will clear 2 million in its first frame - a number that has not been officially confirmed by bosses themselves.

With over 400,000 pre-orders in the can, it’s not an impossibility - and if any popstar can do it, it's Swift.

However an analyst has been quoted as saying there is simply “no way” a number that gargantuan will be achieved in just one week.

 

+ Celine should write her own songs like Adele and Swift.

[Naiomi zhannah]

Why doesn't Celine write her own songs

[browseceline]

Why doesn't Celine write her own songs

Because that is not her best skill. We're talking about text and melody. Not everybody can do both. She just happens to make each song her own and gives each song Celine quality!

 

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[RosieBarron]

Why doesn't Celine write her own songs

 

I seem to recall Rene (and her) saying that she has written several songs and he encouraged her to record some of them but she didn't want to.

[celinesounds]

http://www.express.c...hine-first-week

 

 

According to the US publication, Big Machine reckons Reputation will clear 2 million in its first frame - a number that has not been officially confirmed by bosses themselves.

With over 400,000 pre-orders in the can, it’s not an impossibility - and if any popstar can do it, it's Swift.

However an analyst has been quoted as saying there is simply “no way” a number that gargantuan will be achieved in just one week.

 

+ Celine should write her own songs like Adele and Swift.

 

most of those singers has a ghost writer

[celinesounds]

Because that is not her best skill. We're talking about text and melody. Not everybody can do both. She just happens to make each song her own and gives each song Celine quality!

 

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like Carole king said "That's why we write songs....for people like them to sing"

[Xpresso]

Many artists love to say they write their own songs, but some of their songs are written by other people and a LOT of them are collaborations. And we all know what "co-writing" really means... Céline should "co-write" more often and get all the credits!

 

(Let's not forget English is not her first language so that makes it a little more complicated). She did write some French songs but gave them away to Marc Dupré... Now that's a strange move!

[québecflower]

if only could write something as good as Shake it up, Now we are talking about artistry. People would not forget her songs after 25 years...oh wait , she got some songs i remember..

[DionFanAlways]

if only could write something as good as Shake it up, Now we are talking about artistry. People would not forget her songs after 25 years...oh wait , she got some songs i remember..

[CelineDionFreak]

if only could write something as good as Shake it up, Now we are talking about artistry. People would not forget her songs after 25 years...oh wait , she got some songs i remember..

She’s got many I remember

[CelinesDIVO5]

Many artists love to say they write their own songs, but some of their songs are written by other people and a LOT of them are collaborations. And we all know what "co-writing" really means... Céline should "co-write" more often and get all the credits!

 

(Let's not forget English is not her first language so that makes it a little more complicated). She did write some French songs but gave them away to Marc Dupré... Now that's a strange move!

 

I do remember her saying she writes better in English than in French.

[scielle]

I do remember her saying she writes better in English than in French.

 

Whaaa?

 

When / where was this? Sounds highly suspect.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Whaaa?

 

When / where was this? Sounds highly suspect.

 

It was an interview. It would take me a bit to find it.

[québecflower]

It was an interview. It would take me a bit to find it.

i remember the same thing... she did not go school a long time and french is pretty hard even for for original writers, so many rules , and words. And i suspect that she did not read a lot of Victor Hugo or Alexandre Dumas , so...She is pretty intelli8gent, she should have more confidence in her. She is doing much better in french now , she corrects herself when she notices a mistake , no need to be hyper complicated as a lot of songs writers are showing us. But she is a perfectionnism in everything she puts her mind to.

[CelinesDIVO5]

i remember the same thing... she did not go school a long time and french is pretty hard even for for original writers, so many rules , and words. And i suspect that she did not read a lot of Victor Hugo or Alexandre Dumas , so...She is pretty intelli8gent, she should have more confidence in her. She is doing much better in french now , she corrects herself when she notices a mistake , no need to be hyper complicated as a lot of songs writers are showing us. But she is a perfectionnism in everything she puts her mind to.

 

I can't remember if it was a print interview or a TV interview. But thank you for backing me up!!

[comingback]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lYUveuyd5g

 

As we know Celine separates the songwriting and singing.careers.

She (co)-wrote a few songs: english :Don't save it all for Christmas Day, Treat her like a lady / french: Ce n'était qu'un rêve, songs for Marc Dubre

Didn't she wrote a few english songs (Drop by Drop..)?

 

Come on Celine, I want to hear your songs, we know you can do it.

Edited November 14, 2017 at 09:56 AM by comingback