"Courage" album - Official Topic

[jeje03100]

Tour details for 2018 yes.

 

I know what Im buying with my Xmas money this year

 

do you know which country will be visited? Europe or not?

[isurrender]

For my wallet it's not dismal, but for the artist who put all their time and heart into a record of 12-14 songs (sometimes recording 20-30), then yes...that's a dismal amount of money. That's about as much, more likely less than the record took to create.

 

Is music all about it?

 

Are we really trying to feel sorry for Céline Dion now because she sells less?

 

If your message was a truth I guess that there wouldn't be enough singers to fill a top 50 !

 

Fact is nowadays the music offer is very large, affordable and everybody can make music with a computer !

 

There are a lot of artists out there who lose money but they still keep on doing it because it's their passion.

 

Céline is very fortunate and from an "artistic money point of view", not very smart. Sorry.

 

She is so rich ...she can afford to record for the rest of her life even with selling 50.000 copies of her next album. Other singers way less famous can manage...she can produce herself , set up her own record label , pay any big trendy producer whatsoever...she can literally do whatever she wants to without caring about 1 dime.

 

If I were her, now that she's free of everything , I would just record a metal album.

[CelineDionFreak]

Tour details for 2018 yes.

 

I know what Im buying with my Xmas money this year

I know you can give specifics, but will she be visiting other places as well? (Different from this year’s.)

Edited November 14, 2017 at 06:27 PM by CelineDionFreak

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Is music all about it?

 

Are we really trying to feel sorry for Céline Dion now because she sells less?

 

If your message was a truth I guess that there wouldn't be enough singers to fill a top 50 !

 

Fact is nowadays the music offer is very large, affordable and everybody can make music with a computer !

 

There are a lot of artists out there who lose money but they still keep on doing it because it's their passion.

 

Céline is very fortunate and from an "artistic money point of view", not very smart. Sorry.

 

She is so rich ...she can afford to record for the rest of her life even with selling 50.000 copies of her next album. Other singers way less famous can manage...she can produce herself , set up her own record label , pay any big trendy producer whatsoever...she can literally do whatever she wants to without caring about 1 dime.

 

If I were her, now that she's free of everything , I would just record a metal album.

 

 

Nobody is saying anything about feeling sorry for Celine Dion because of low music sales. I was just making the point that the profits on music sales for the artist are no longer what they used to be. While the percentage per unit might be high, the amount of units being sold are not equating to what artists used to make off of their work. Yes, recording can be done on one's computer, but for big artists signed to major labels, this is not the case. To record an album while signed to a label like Sony, there are many people that have to be paid. Songwriters, producers, engineers, executive producers etc. The return is no longer remotely close to what was paid out, even before the artist's percentage is cut from the profit.

 

As for singers filling the top 50, there are plenty. But the recording industry has had to get creative in ways to make a song or album chart. No longer relying on airplay or sales respectively on their own, now they're combined, along with streaming. It's much tougher to land an album in the top 100, or a song in the top 40 than it was 15 years, even 10 years ago.

Edited November 14, 2017 at 07:02 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Xpresso]

@Davey - Of course we can't underestimate Céline's French videos. Some are very big I agree, and I want more of them...

My point is that Sony just noticed that without a single video (and little promo), they had one of the best selling albums of the year!!

[CelinesDIVO5]

@Davey - Of course we can't underestimate Céline's French videos. Some are very big I agree, and I want more of them...

My point is that Sony just noticed that without a single video (and little promo), they had one of the best selling albums of the year!!

 

I want more videos ala IACBTMN

Edited November 15, 2017 at 12:27 AM by CelinesDIVO5

[Xpresso]

It's All Coming Back to Me Now is Céline's best video and I doubt Sony will ever invest that much money in a Céline video...

But we can dream!

[chocolatechip15]

I do remember her saying she writes better in English than in French.

Whaaa?

 

When / where was this? Sounds highly suspect.

 

I definitely remember this as well. She was talking about her feelings of insecurity about not having much education, how she still makes grammatical errors in French, and that she feels that she writes better in English than in French. It may have been with Denise Bombardier, or maybe in the Jenna Glatzer book. . .

 

I don't think she was talking about songwriting, though - just writing in general. And it makes sense, because she learned English in a structured school environment, explicitly learning all the rules of "correct" (aka standard) English at a time when she was super-motivated and soaking everything up. And she learned French naturally just as all children learn language, but didn't necessarily learn all the correct grammatical rules of writing it, because (by her own admission) she missed school constantly, slept through it when she was there, and her siblings did her homework for her. And she dropped out at 14. So not surprising that she's more confident in that way about English. (But French is still clearly her intimate language of love).

[scielle]

Hm. Interesting. And surprising, given how much more eloquent she is in French interviews than in English. But I suppose there's a difference between written and spoken; French is a more difficult language to write.

[CelineDionFreak]

Hm. Interesting. And surprising, given how much more eloquent she is in French interviews than in English. But I suppose there's a difference between written and spoken; French is a more difficult language to write.

Very true. After 4 years (middle/high school) of french classes I can really vouch for this. There’s just a lot of little things that didn’t become apparent to me until I started writing in french. Speaking in french is a whole different ball game then taking pen to paper.

[Bruno Portugal]

It's All Coming Back to Me Now is Céline's best video and I doubt Sony will ever invest that much money in a Céline video...

But we can dream!

 

And one of the most expensive music videos ever made!

[celinesounds]

And one of the most expensive music videos ever made!

 

for Celine

[fred]

The most frustrating thing is that they often seem to have a huge resistance to strike the iron while it's hot.

 

Her iron was hot this summer. With the fashion video and so on. The intereset in her was huge. A new album or at least some singles this year would ride quite well on that wave. Instead they wait, and wait, and wait. And by the time the new material is out people's interest in her will have faded or even worse the public has gone tired of her. And then the whole promo train has to make it work uphill...

And then cunclusions will be made "oh there's no use, she won't be big ever again" there's no use in making any effort releasing stuff... and the circle goes on.

 

Change of strategy please. Try to strike the iron while it's hot for once!

[mirage]

Yeah so true!!

 

She definitely needs a young manager who is into these decisions.

 

It doesn't needed to be a song from the upcoming album, just release a single.

So many artists just do release waaay before the album comes out.

 

Also think it's just because she is old and not considerd hip by Sony.

The whole world thinks different the last year, but sony doesn't care.

 

She made with Vogue the most interesting video since eeeeuhhhhmmm If Walls Could Talk?

Sony doesn't care for good quality videos...

 

The most frustrating thing is that they often seem to have a huge resistance to strike the iron while it's hot.

 

Her iron was hot this summer. With the fashion video and so on. The intereset in her was huge. A new album or at least some singles this year would ride quite well on that wave. Instead they wait, and wait, and wait. And by the time the new material is out people's interest in her will have faded or even worse the public has gone tired of her. And then the whole promo train has to make it work uphill...

And then cunclusions will be made "oh there's no use, she won't be big ever again" there's no use in making any effort releasing stuff... and the circle goes on.

 

Change of strategy please. Try to strike the iron while it's hot for once!

[browseceline]

The most frustrating thing is that they often seem to have a huge resistance to strike the iron while it's hot.

 

Her iron was hot this summer. With the fashion video and so on. The intereset in her was huge. A new album or at least some singles this year would ride quite well on that wave. Instead they wait, and wait, and wait. And by the time the new material is out people's interest in her will have faded or even worse the public has gone tired of her. And then the whole promo train has to make it work uphill...

And then cunclusions will be made "oh there's no use, she won't be big ever again" there's no use in making any effort releasing stuff... and the circle goes on.

 

Change of strategy please. Try to strike the iron while it's hot for once!

And for that some fresh new people should be hired. People that know how it works...people like us;)

 

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[DionFanAlways]

Yeah so true!!

 

She definitely needs a young manager who is into these decisions.

 

It doesn't needed to be a song from the upcoming album, just release a single.

So many artists just do release waaay before the album comes out.

 

Also think it's just because she is old and not considerd hip by Sony.

The whole world thinks different the last year, but sony doesn't care.

 

She made with Vogue the most interesting video since eeeeuhhhhmmm If Walls Could Talk?

Sony doesn't care for good quality videos...

Exactly! I tweeted Vogue when it came out and asked them to direct her next videos.

[melquilisboa]

@Davey - Of course we can't underestimate Céline's French videos. Some are very big I agree, and I want more of them...

My point is that Sony just noticed that without a single video (and little promo), they had one of the best selling albums of the year!!

But still SUPER low when compared to Céline's last albums, EUS is struggling to reach 1m with pure copies.... with a video not only she would have another 100m viewed video but also it would make her sales rise a lot....If LMBTL had a video the album would probably crack the 2m mark

[Davey84]

@Davey - Of course we can't underestimate Céline's French videos. Some are very big I agree, and I want more of them...

My point is that Sony just noticed that without a single video (and little promo), they had one of the best selling albums of the year!!

 

True, but Sony also has to realise that there was a lot of the interest because EUS was the first album after René's death. They can't or at least shouldn't assume that only the name Céline Dion sells nowadays, unfortunately! Recent sales compared to other big current acts are not bad. But if Céline stops making music videos to promote her albums, her album career will surely die a litle bit more.

 

PS the audio of EUS has 40.775.377 views and the lyrics video has 8.260.025 views. The interest is there!!

[Javito]

The most frustrating thing is that they often seem to have a huge resistance to strike the iron while it's hot.

 

Her iron was hot this summer. With the fashion video and so on. The intereset in her was huge. A new album or at least some singles this year would ride quite well on that wave. Instead they wait, and wait, and wait. And by the time the new material is out people's interest in her will have faded or even worse the public has gone tired of her. And then the whole promo train has to make it work uphill...

And then cunclusions will be made "oh there's no use, she won't be big ever again" there's no use in making any effort releasing stuff... and the circle goes on.

 

Change of strategy please. Try to strike the iron while it's hot for once!

 

Amen.

 

That's basically where they've been failing at since ages ago. Vegas contributed to kill that interest on her, and it took a decade to light that fire again in the public (two years ago and specially during this year).

 

Her management at Sony is completely useless regarding her recording career. That's why I (and tons of fans) have been saying and wondering why the hell she hasn't changed of record label. What's keeping her with Sony Music, when they don't clearly give a damn about her music career and capitalising on it when it's due?

 

The only answer I conclude is, unfortuntale: Céline herself doesn't care either about her recording career. Only live career and shows. Which is, let me tell you, quite sad (and disappointing).

 

There's no other coherent explanation. Any other artist that is such a powerhouse name in a record label, would never have allowed this mistreat and this absurd lack of new releases when her name is selling like hot cakes everywhere

 

Haven't they ever heard about what an EP is and what it is for?

 

In a nutshell: this musical silence while she's performing ceaselessly either in Vegas or touring is just ridiculous.

 

And the gaps of 5+ years between each new English album without releasing new music, to which she has been accostumed to, while she performs ceaselessly in Vegas or tours, that's beyond ridiculous. She's very fortunate to have such long career and the hits she earned in the 90s. But sadly, that's where it all started to decline, in terms of creativity. The "I have nothing to prove" speech of years ago is showing its worst results today

Edited November 16, 2017 at 02:09 PM by Javito

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Amen.

 

That's basically where they've been failing at since ages ago. Vegas contributed to kill that interest on her, and it took a decade to light that fire again in the public (two years ago and specially during this year).

 

Her management at Sony is completely useless regarding her recording career. That's why I (and tons of fans) have been saying and wondering why the hell she hasn't changed of record label. What's keeping her with Sony Music, when they don't clearly give a damn about her music career and capitalising on it when it's due?

 

The only answer I conclude is, unfortuntale: Céline herself doesn't care either about her recording career. Only live career and shows. Which is, let me tell you, quite sad (and disappointing).

 

There's no other coherent explanation. Any other artist that is such a powerhouse name in a record label, would never have allowed this mistreat and this absurd lack of new releases when her name is selling like hot cakes everywhere

 

Haven't they ever heard about what an EP is and what it is for?

 

In a nutshell: this musical silence while she's performing ceaselessly either in Vegas or touring is just ridiculous.

 

And the gaps of 5+ years between each new English album without releasing new music, to which she has been accostumed to, while she performs ceaselessly in Vegas or tours, that's beyond ridiculous. She's very fortunate to have such long career and the hits she earned in the 90s. But sadly, that's where it all started to decline, in terms of creativity. The "I have nothing to prove" speech of years ago is showing its worst results today

 

Please stop blaming EVERYTHING on Vegas!! Why can't we just accept that she's not a top 40 act anymore? It happens to every artist. Yes, people are still interested in her. She is featured in some type of entertainment news outlets throughout the year, every year. She makes her appearances and special performances, and people talk about them. People still love her. They still respect her. But she had her turn. And she has a career that she no longer has to chase after. She's still relevant, just in a different way.

[Javito]

Please stop blaming EVERYTHING on Vegas!! Why can't we just accept that she's not a top 40 act anymore? It happens to every artist. Yes, people are still interested in her. She is featured in some type of entertainment news outlets throughout the year, every year. She makes her appearances and special performances, and people talk about them. People still love her. They still respect her. But she had her turn. And she has a career that she no longer has to chase after. She's still relevant, just in a different way.

 

Because Vegas sent her international career to oblivion when she was precisely at the peak of her career???

 

Je ne vous oublie pas lyrics??

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Because Vegas sent her international career to oblivion when she was precisely at the peak of her career???

 

Je ne vous oublie pas lyrics??

 

Actually, she was at her peak in 1999 when she went on her two year hiatus. The ANDHC period was a good one for her, a nice comeback. But, in terms of popularity, not even close to what it was in the late 90s.

[celinesounds]

Celine doesn't need to prove nothing to nobody, what she did, nobody will break

 

 

around 99 a Celine's cd was being selling per minute around the world

 

 

she has more than 200 millions albums

 

3 Top albums on the top of best selling albums of all time

 

she has a long repertory

 

she has sung almost in every language

 

she won the record of the best selling french album ever

 

the has one of the best selling xmas album

 

she had a coliseum built for her , what we can wish more?

 

- Anti-Tour

- EDM album

- uplugged album

- Spanish album

 

and Music Videos for new songs

[stevo]

Celine is more popular now than she was in 2001/2002. Look at the reaction she had at the Billboards this year. She is at a perfect time when she can capture nostalgia and gather the youngsters who are rightly in awe. Let's have some faith and positivity for her!

[celine4evauk]

She only came back because of the Vegas contract- we actually owe a lot to that, and the fact Rene told her it was too late to quit. Celine would have been a stay at home mum if she had her own way!

[RosieBarron]

Actually, she was at her peak in 1999 when she went on her two year hiatus. The ANDHC period was a good one for her, a nice comeback. But, in terms of popularity, not even close to what it was in the late 90s.

 

That's true. I always got the impression that she and Rene purposely downsized her career from the late 90's though. She was so big it was unhealthy back then. Vegas was a step back into some sort of reality.

[RosieBarron]

Because Vegas sent her international career to oblivion when she was precisely at the peak of her career???

 

Je ne vous oublie pas lyrics??

 

Again with my previous post, the intent was to downsize it. Vegas wasn't a mistake but a calculated step back.

[browseceline]

She only came back because of the Vegas contract- we actually owe a lot to that, and the fact Rene told her it was too late to quit. Celine would have been a stay at home mum if she had her own way!

No she loves showbiz and singing too much. She would come back for sure

 

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[Javito]

Actually, she was at her peak in 1999 when she went on her two year hiatus. The ANDHC period was a good one for her, a nice comeback. But, in terms of popularity, not even close to what it was in the late 90s.

 

I'd say she continued that momentum in 2002 and 2003. After MHWGO and the surprising fresh style she delivered with TTWII, everyone either in the public and in the media was waiting to see what would be her next step in music. She was still enjoying her peak, not with the craziness after MHWGO but still with her name everywhere and her singles playing everywhere. And the coverage that her new album ANDHC got in the media only confirmed this.

 

Celine is more popular now than she was in 2001/2002. Look at the reaction she had at the Billboards this year. She is at a perfect time when she can capture nostalgia and gather the youngsters who are rightly in awe. Let's have some faith and positivity for her!

 

Ermmm... Are you kidding me? In 2002 everyone was talking about Céline Dion because of her music. In 2016 most of the media talked about Céline Dion because of her renaissance in the fashion world and a legend status solidified because of what she achieved decades ago, including 2002 and 2003 years (the pre-Vegas years). It's pretty different. I'm really glad she became popular again in 2016 and 2017, despite the fact that a great part of this was because of René and not because of her job, not because she had released a new great single/album.

 

The reaction she had in the Billboards 2016 is not more impressive than the standing ovation she had in 2002 when she sang in Spanish in the Latin Billboards, in front of a multilingual audience whose main language was not English nor French (for the very first time).

 

So until she does not come back with an album and some single that is commented and received by critics, media and radios with tons of reviews, I stick to this opinion sorry.

 

 

She only came back because of the Vegas contract- we actually owe a lot to that, and the fact Rene told her it was too late to quit. Celine would have been a stay at home mum if she had her own way!

 

I highly doubt that! Céline is a stage animal. The stage is her home, show time is her natural mood. She is unable to stay home without singing and her public. The continuous concerts at Vegas and mini tours for consecutive years show this

Edited November 16, 2017 at 07:49 PM by Javito

[Javito]

Again with my previous post, the intent was to downsize it. Vegas wasn't a mistake but a calculated step back.

 

I can agree with that. But a step back that went further in time and results than what they expected.

 

Why would Céline acknowledge herself, even today, that the main impression people has about her in Vegas is that her career is over, and that she's locked up there, almost isolated from the industry?

 

Luckily when she tours, the figures and the support from the audience say contrary, but let's hope they support her the same way when she releases new music

Edited November 16, 2017 at 07:55 PM by Javito