New English Single: Loved Me Back To Life

[guyddavies]

I can really not believe what is happening...

 

How can this fantastic song be thrown to the pigs like that. The situation is just horrible. Celine releases her best single in over a decade, radio doesn't give her airplay, Sony messes everything up concerning a video

 

I am so so frustrated.

 

Even if she did a video where would it be played. Vh1 and mtv dont play them anymore and people would need to know there wss a song out via radio to go looking on youtube for a video, I dont see a music video being the injection of life some people hope, perhaps a think twice situation will happen, almost written off but then has a huge hit in europe.

[Javito]

Only because ANDHC didn't sell what Sony executives expected it to sell in the US alone doesn't mean the album wasn't a smash hit in another level, because in Europe it certainly was. Fortunately, not all the planet is the USA, and not because an album isn't successful there that inmediately means that the album is not greatly successful for many other countries. Look what happened to Anastacia's career for example. None of her albums were ever successful in the US, but she conquered the European charts all the way with her first 3 albums, being "Not That Kind", "Freak of Nature" and "Anastacia" albums of the year every year of its release

 

ANDHC was not the beggining of her downfall at all. Sorry but that makes me laugh . Of course its my opinion but I think that ANDHC was the beggining of an incredible new era of her career in which she conquered many new (and young) fans because of its fresh and modern style and she got the attention of all radios because she continued the great momentum she created with That's The Way It Is two years before. She was singing the songs that were appropriate to a woman of her age for the first time in her career. Until ANDHC, she rarely sang songs that couln't be sang by a woman of 40 or 50 years old (=ballads and other slow songs in her repertoire). What caused her downfall was clearly the start of her residency in Las Vegas, that's where all the problems with the promotion of her albums and the lack of commitment with Sony began, not before.

Edited September 23, 2013 at 04:55 PM by Javito

[mike_z]

Even Bette Midler had a #1 and a #2 hit in the US at age 45, and even won Record of The Year and Song of The Year the following year with 2 different songs!

[LuisMa]

Even Bette Midler had a #1 and a #2 hit in the US at age 45, and even won Record of The Year and Song of The Year the following year with 2 different songs!

 

And they were fabulous songs.

 

I have faith that things can still turn around. For me, Loved Me Back To Life has been a grower, and I'm sure it may happen to a lot of other people. Radio sometimes is reluctant to play a song, and then people start digging it, requesting it, and it becomes a huge it over a long period of time. A recent US example is Demi Lovato's "Give Your Heart A Break". It took a long time for radios to add it, it was resilient and it became a big hit.

[dj_a_rock]

This is a very sad situation. Is it too early to lose hope? Or this is LMBTL funeral? Edited September 23, 2013 at 05:15 PM by dj_a_rock

[davidjag79]

I completely agree with the age and Celine not being popular with the general public but we as fans can help keep requesting LMBTL! Buy it again on ITunes I'm sure we can afford another $1.29 Sony milks us for everything else Does anyone know how to buy a song multiple times on ITunes? Edited September 23, 2013 at 05:16 PM by davidjag79

[LuisMa]

I completely agree with the age and Celine not being popular with the general public but we as fans can help keep requesting LMBTL!

 

I agree, I have been doing something I haven't done in ages, and it is to call every radio station and request, request, request. I have called RAC105 radio a dozen times.

 

In the past I would call several times, even faking other voices. I might give it another try.

[browseceline]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsUUAalOIh4

 

That remind me of the famous Madonna speech at the Oscars 1998, where she shows off her envy towards Celine.

Celine was at the peak of her career with MHWGO .

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5jYmY1z5nE

 

FIY is my favorite english Celine album. I am so glad for her that she won Album of the year in 1997 and the music industry showed

respect towards her. The haters had to shut up.

 

I miss those times.. I think in the 90s ballads scored much more then today, And downloading was not so much of a thing as now. You bought your cd and you did not know how it was gonna sound. It was a surprise. I remember having Deu'x as a Sinterklaas ( the dutch Santa) present and did not know any of the songs, except pour que tu'maimes encore. Those were the days.

I can remember the radio dj being annoyed for having Celine on the 1st place with mhwgo for the umptheenth week. Here in Holland it was 12 weeks on number 1 position. I can remember them showing the videoclip and the VJ making a joke about wondering why she wasn't blown away from that iceberg. But at least she was in the top40, many times.

Edited September 23, 2013 at 05:20 PM by browseceline

[Chin]

I always think that Sony never liked and supported the idea of doing Vegas, so they began to put Celine aside when Celine started doing Vegas in 2003

[Bóól'át'í]

I always think that Sony never liked and supported the idea of doing Vegas, so they began to put Celine aside when Celine started doing Vegas in 2003

 

 

Makes sense. I always thought this too. After all, a record company gets no money from their artist touring. Sony is probably jealous they don't see a cent from her Vegas stint.

 

 

[mike_z]

And they were fabulous songs.

 

I have faith that things can still turn around. For me, Loved Me Back To Life has been a grower, and I'm sure it may happen to a lot of other people. Radio sometimes is reluctant to play a song, and then people start digging it, requesting it, and it becomes a huge it over a long period of time. A recent US example is Demi Lovato's "Give Your Heart A Break". It took a long time for radios to add it, it was resilient and it became a big hit.

 

Yeah, both of them were emotional ballads... she was 45, she got picked up by radios, scored a #1 and a #2 and brought 2 Grammys home! And believe me, she had been working for almost 20 years of neglection from the industry, she was no Madonna or Cyndi Lauper... but she made it. If she could, why Céline Dion -who's name has been everywhere in the past years- would not?

[Wita19]

It is, quite frankly, a bit bizarre that all of a sudden after "I'm Alive" radio worldwide just seems to have dropped her pretty much completely. Is it linked to her going to Vegas? Is someone behind the scenes at Sony sabotaging her career? (A bit dramatic but after 13 years constant radio support then literally nothing is just bizarre) Has Celine said something or did something controversial that we've all missed?

 

 

She didn't. That's the point. (BTW Thanks God she didn't!)

 

You don't walk naked on the stage,

you don't curse, you don't sing "I'm a sexy *CENSORED* and I know it",

you don't have an affair with a younger boy

= you don't exist in a music industry!

 

They may mansion about you once or twice, cause you were a diva in the 90's. They can play MHWGO or BYLM and say "Remember? That's how they sang in the olden days." And then: "Now the new Britney's hit. WORK *CENSORED*!"

[Your_Su_Phu]

Only because ANDHC didn't sell what Sony executives expected it to sell in the US alone doesn't mean the album wasn't a smash hit in another level, because in Europe it certainly was. Fortunately, not all the planet is the USA, and not because an album isn't successful there that inmediately means that the album is not greatly successful for many other countries. Look what happened to Anastacia's career for example. None of her albums were ever successful in the US, but she conquered the European charts all the way with her first 3 albums, being "Not That Kind", "Freak of Nature" and "Anastacia" albums of the year every year of its release

 

 

I'm well aware there is a world outside the US. ANDHC still performed underwhelmingly internationally, regardless of whether it's your personal favorite or not.

Even taking piracy in 2002 into account, only managing 1/3 of the sales of your previous smashes - especially with your long awaited comeback album - is not a success.

For God's sake, there were people sacked at Sony over ANDHC's failure.

 

FYI, Sony is an international corporation. They care about international sales, not just the US.

 

ANDHC was not the beggining of her downfall at all. Sorry but that makes me laugh . Of course its my opinion but I think that ANDHC was the beggining of an incredible new era of her career in which she conquered many new (and young) fans because of its fresh and modern style and she got the attention of all radios because she continued the great momentum she created with That's The Way It Is two years before. She was singing the songs that were appropriate to a woman of her age for the first time in her career. Until ANDHC, she rarely sang songs that couln't be sang by a woman of 40 or 50 years old (=ballads and other slow songs in her repertoire). What caused her downfall was clearly the start of her residency in Las Vegas, that's where all the problems with the promotion of her albums and the lack of commitment with Sony began, not before.

 

ANDHC conquered new, young fans and the radio because of it's fresh modern style?

A new day has come was far from fresh or modern. That late 90's pop style was not only over-saturated by a billion other acts, but it was already on the decline by 2002. The definition of passe. The title track was a mid-tempo ballad with soft instrumentation that brought to mind birthing babies. I'm alive was more uptempo (yet still oozed cheese and was tied to a children's movie about an anthropomorphic rat) and managed top 10 in a handful of countries..but to insinuate that it actually revolutionized Celine's sound or re-established her as a modern artist is delusional. She's had uptempo singles since her debut, some moderately successful, and while I'm alive did well it's certainly not one of her signature classics, and in the long run it won't be remembered as more than a blip when you consider her ultimate legacy as an artist, especially to the general public.

 

ANDHC as a whole album wasn't much more uptempo or modern than the majority of her works. More of the tracks were midtempo as opposed to uptempo. Unison was far more young and fresh as a whole than ANDHC. In Celine's early English career many of the mid/uptempo songs were basically wannabe R&B-pop Whitney rejects (even though Celine just can't handle R&B, period). The only difference with ANDHC was that it leaned more towards bubblegum pop than R&B. That doesn't make it more or less "modern".

Edited September 23, 2013 at 05:35 PM by Your_Su_Phu

[québecflower]

it was not a rat, it was a very cute mouse....

[mike_z]

 

 

 

I'm well aware there is a world outside the US. ANDHC still performed underwhelmingly internationally, regardless of whether it's your personal favorite or not.

Even taking piracy in 2002 into account, only managing 1/3 of the sales of your previous smashes - especially with your long awaited comeback album - is not a success.

For God's sake, there were people sacked at Sony over ANDHC's failure.

 

FYI, Sony is an international corporation. They care about international sales, not just the US.

 

 

 

ANDHC conquered new, young fans and the radio because of it's fresh modern style?

A new day has come was far from fresh or modern. That late 90's pop style was not only over-saturated by a billion other acts, but it was already on the decline by 2002. The definition of passe. The title track was a mid-tempo ballad with soft instrumentation that brought to mind birthing babies. I'm alive was more uptempo (yet still oozed cheese and was tied to a children's movie about an anthropomorphic rat) and managed top 10 in a handful of countries..but to insinuate that it actually revolutionized Celine's sound or re-established her as a modern artist is delusional. She's had uptempo singles since her debut, some moderately successful, and while I'm alive did well it's certainly not one of her signature classics, and in the long run it won't be remembered as more than a blip when you consider her ultimate legacy as an artist, especially to the general public.

 

ANDHC as a whole album wasn't much more uptempo or modern than the majority of her works. More of the tracks were midtempo as opposed to uptempo. Unison was far more young and fresh as a whole than ANDHC. In Celine's early English career many of the mid/uptempo songs were basically wannabe R&B-pop Whitney rejects (even though Celine just can't handle R&B, period). The only difference with ANDHC was that it leaned more towards bubblegum pop than R&B. That doesn't make it more or less "modern".

 

I agree, I remember when ANDHC I thought most of the songs sounded dated... like WTWOLYR, it sounded like a Backstreet Boys' song from 1998, that sound was already on decline and other new sounds were appearing. What made ANDHC special and successful among the fans where its ballads. (Goodbye's, I Surrender, ANDHC, etc) and are the ones that remain timeless until now!

[LuisMa]

 

 

Yeah, both of them were emotional ballads... she was 45, she got picked up by radios, scored a #1 and a #2 and brought 2 Grammys home! And believe me, she had been working for almost 20 years of neglection from the industry, she was no Madonna or Cyndi Lauper... but she made it. If she could, why Céline Dion -who's name has been everywhere in the past years- would not?

 

It's all about timing. I know some of us are upset because of the slow way her single has been making its inroads, or the lack of promo, but I'm not apprehensive at all.

 

Sure, I want to see her on the Hot 100, as I love music charts, but I'm not giving up on her and her ability to do it. Besides, there are many factors as we know that affect an artist's placement on any chart, and the Hot 100 is now a more difficult place to be since Billboard has changed its rules.

 

I remember I was super furious when Think Twice only hit number 95 on the Hot 100, and Only One Road followed at 93. Of course, I was super happy that in Europe (especially the UK) they were super smashes. But first and foremost I was happy that I loved the songs.

 

Sometimes I feel also kind of sad because of many choices that have been made, regardless of who made them, as well as some repetitious interviews that make me go, ok again? But then again I think that all that is secondary when I realize that even after all her success, money, etc., she is still recording and offering something new for us to enjoy.

[Chin]

Makes sense. I always thought this too. After all, a record company gets no money from their artist touring. Sony is probably jealous they don't see a cent from her Vegas stint.

And Celine didn't promote her new albums (both the English ones and the French ones) at all in her Vegas shows, so doing Vegas never helped them to sell more albums

Edited September 23, 2013 at 05:45 PM by Chin

[gafsa]

In my city they released a single ANDHC the slow version and it's rarely played. Even my sister said why this song rarely played on a radio, this song is beautiful.

But in MtV asia when Celine became artish of the month they play an extract of Rain tax, RIFOY ANDHC radio remix and HYEBIL, and my friend who is that time 15 years old realy like the first three song i mention. Same with my other friends who at that time is teenager too.

But over all that album is not that succesful here. I'm affraid it will happen to LMBTL, a lot of young generation like the song but still it cant be succes because the lack of radio play.

Edited September 23, 2013 at 05:47 PM by gafsa

[GoldenLeaf]

Even Bette Midler had a #1 and a #2 hit in the US at age 45, and even won Record of The Year and Song of The Year the following year with 2 different songs!

Kenny Rogers also had a #1 hit on Billboard Hot 100 in the US at age 45 in 1983 with his song ''Islands In The Stream'' but you need to understand that the music industry of the 1980's and 1990's was a total different world than the music industry of the 21st century. Nowdays if you're over 40 you have to make a duet with a younger singer in order to get played by the radios.

 

BTW, wasn't ANDHC the 3rd best selling album of 2002?

Edited September 23, 2013 at 06:04 PM by GoldenLeaf

[mike_z]

Kenny Rogers also had a #1 hit on Billboard Hot 100 in the US at age 45 in 1983 with his song ''Islands In The Stream'' but you need to understand that the music industry of the 1980's and 1990's was a total different world than the music industry of the 21st century.

Kenny Rogers is a MAN

 

It's a totally different matter!

[Your_Su_Phu]

Kenny Rogers also had a #1 hit on Billboard Hot 100 in the US at age 45 in 1983 with his song ''Islands In The Stream'' but you need to understand that the music industry of the 1980's and 1990's was a total different world than the music industry of the 21st century.

 

BTW, wasn't ANDHC the 3rd best selling album of 2002?

 

5th, according to IFPI. But we're talking relatively here, and in comparison to her most recent previous studio efforts at the time. ANDHC sold about 7-8 million worldwide. Right after a string of huge hits (FIY, LTAL, TATST, ATW...ADOS)

 

As this was her comeback studio album after a break, Sony was banking on another gold mine, and they were hugely disappointed. They had pumped a lot of money into this..

Edited September 23, 2013 at 06:10 PM by Your_Su_Phu

[GoldenLeaf]

Kenny Rogers is a MAN

 

It's a totally different matter!

It's not a different matter. Man or woman is does not make a difference. Do you really think a 45 years old man could have a #1 hit in the US in 2013? Hell, no!

Edited September 23, 2013 at 06:16 PM by GoldenLeaf

[ehild]

I always think that Sony never liked and supported the idea of doing Vegas, so they began to put Celine aside when Celine started doing Vegas in 2003

If that's the case, I wish she'd just switch labels. But then, at this point in her career.....I don't know if that would be a good thing or not. She should've done that back then.

[GoldenLeaf]

5th, according to IFPI. But we're talking relatively here, and in comparison to her recent previous studio efforts at the time. ANDHC sold about 7-8 million worldwide. Right after a string of huge hits (FIY, LTAL, TATST, ATW...ADOS)

 

As this was her comeback studio album after a break, Sony was banking on another gold mine, and they were hugely disappointed. They had pumped a lot of money into this..

Most sources say that ANDHC sold over 12 million copies wordlwide not 7 million...

[Javito]

I agree, I remember when ANDHC I thought most of the songs sounded dated... like WTWOLYR, it sounded like a Backstreet Boys' song from 1998, that sound was already on decline and other new sounds were appearing. What made ANDHC special and successful among the fans where its ballads. (Goodbye's, I Surrender, ANDHC, etc) and are the ones that remain timeless until now!

 

ANDHC conquered new, young fans and the radio because of it's fresh modern style?

A new day has come was far from fresh or modern. That late 90's pop style was not only over-saturated by a billion other acts, but it was already on the decline by 2002. The definition of passe. The title track was a mid-tempo ballad with soft instrumentation that brought to mind birthing babies. I'm alive was more uptempo (yet still oozed cheese and was tied to a children's movie about an anthropomorphic rat) and managed top 10 in a handful of countries..but to insinuate that it actually revolutionized Celine's sound or re-established her as a modern artist is delusional. She's had uptempo singles since her debut, some moderately successful, and while I'm alive did well it's certainly not one of her signature classics, and in the long run it won't be remembered as more than a blip when you consider her ultimate legacy as an artist, especially to the general public.

 

ANDHC as a whole album wasn't much more uptempo or modern than the majority of her works. More of the tracks were midtempo as opposed to uptempo. Unison was far more young and fresh as a whole than ANDHC. In Celine's early English career many of the mid/uptempo songs were basically wannabe R&B-pop Whitney rejects (even though Celine just can't handle R&B, period). The only difference with ANDHC was that it leaned more towards bubblegum pop than R&B. That doesn't make it more or less "modern".

 

 

Dated? Compared with what? With LTAL and FIY or TCOML, which had been the classic style she's always done for years until ANDHC arrived and changed her music style for once?

 

I think it depends on what you compare the sound of the album. If you compare it with other albums released that year, ok, but Celine was never an artist that went ahead of her time (quite the opposite ) with her songs. But if you compare the sound of ANDHC with LTAL or FIY... how can't this be named the album in which they did the greatest effort to sound current and fresh? Not in vain the first two singles were played in radios like crazy during months, something she has never achieved again. If that doesn't mean the album was in hand with the times and sounded like the music that was done in those days, I must have fish ears.

 

And now we have "Unfinished Songs" in an album of 2013, which sounds like it has been done in 1993. Compared with this song that is going to close LMBTL album in 2013, ANDHC sounds like a futuristic record to me

 

I'm well aware there is a world outside the US. ANDHC still performed underwhelmingly internationally, regardless of whether it's your personal favorite or not.

Even taking piracy in 2002 into account, only managing 1/3 of the sales of your previous smashes - especially with your long awaited comeback album - is not a success.

For God's sake, there were people sacked at Sony over ANDHC's failure.

 

Of course people is sacked when they don't meet the company's goal of sales, it happens everyday, not only in music business! But that doesn't mean the album was not successful, maybe that means that simply the company created surreal expectatives and they set the bar too high, in a year when (like you say), piracy was already striking the music sales worldwide.

Edited September 23, 2013 at 06:18 PM by Javito

[Your_Su_Phu]

Most sources say that ANDHC sold over 12 million copies wordlwide not 7 million...

 

What "sources"? It's likely inflated while the IFPI figure is probably based on certifications.

[mike_z]

ANDHC was also her first english album that failed to score a TOP 10 hit in the US...

[Javito]

5th, according to IFPI. But we're talking relatively here, and in comparison to her most recent previous studio efforts at the time. ANDHC sold about 7-8 million worldwide. Right after a string of huge hits (FIY, LTAL, TATST, ATW...ADOS)

 

Are you kidding?? ANDHC sold more than 12 million copies worldwide, if not more. And it didn't sell more because Sony stupidly ruined the promotion with the third single and the album was not supported by a world tour. Had it not been for those big mistakes, the sales would have rocketed

 

And Celine didn't promote her new albums (both the English ones and the French ones) at all in her Vegas shows, so doing Vegas never helped them to sell more albums

 

Not to mention that probably Sony executives were incredibly pissed off when they knew that the album would not be supported by a world tour and that she was going to Las Vegas instead to a permanent residency. That's when Sony Music turned their back to her and began all the problems with the promotion of her albums.

 

 

BTW, wasn't ANDHC the 3rd best selling album of 2002?

 

In the US it was #12 that year, and in Europe it was promoted in Sony Music's catalogs and magazines during 2003 as one of the best selling albums for 2002, but I don't know what position.

[GoldenLeaf]

What "sources"? It's likely inflated while the IFPI figure is probably based on certifications.

This is one of the them :

http://www.rfimusiqu...ticle_14738.asp

 

They claim over 12 million copies. They got the right sales numbers for Let’s Talk About Love and These Are The Speial Times so I don't see why they would get the wrong sales numbers for A New Day Has Come.

 

 

In the US it was #12 that year, and in Europe it was promoted in Sony Music's catalogs and magazines during 2003 as one of the best selling albums for 2002, but I don't know what position.

ANDHC (as stated by You_Su_Phu) was indeed the fifth best selling album of 2002 in the world according to the IFPI.

Edited September 23, 2013 at 06:35 PM by GoldenLeaf

[Your_Su_Phu]

Dated? Compared with what? With LTAL and FIY or TCOML, which had been the classic style she's always done for years until ANDHC arrived and changed her music style for once?

 

I think it depends on what you compare the sound of the album. If you compare it with other albums released that year, ok, but Celine was never an artist that went ahead of her time (quite the opposite ) with her songs. But if you compare the sound of ANDHC with LTAL or FIY... how can't this be named the album in which they did the greatest effort to sound current and fresh? Not in vain the first two singles were played in radios like crazy during months, something she has never achieved again. If that doesn't mean the album was in hand with the times and sounded like the music that was done in those days, I must have fish ears.

 

And now we have "Unfinished Songs" in an album of 2013, which sounds like it has been done in 1993. Compared with this song that is going to close LMBTL album in 2013, ANDHC sounds like a futuristic record to me

 

With Celine's English career, Sony tried out many different images and styles to try and find Celine a niche in her early years. During the 2nd album, they even tried to market her as an R&B singer (they literally made Jay Leno introduce her as an upcoming R&B singer once...). As her Anglophone career progressed, they moved towards a more adult contemporary sound precisely because they realized it was her power ballads which were her biggest selling point (at least at the time), and so both FIY and LTAL were definitely more ballad-heavy. But it's inaccurate to claim ANDHC was breaking new ground for her, specifically because of her early albums.

By the peak of her career, her image was far more rigidly controlled, from the press releases to how she was dressed. But in the beginning of her career she wore a transparent lace dress to the Grammy's with a thong, had a Madonna-inspired video with BDSM undertones (Did you give enough love?), and released several mid/uptempo songs with aspirations to R&B/soul, some of which could have easily been sung by Janet, Whitney or Madonna during her Bedtime stories era. Half of the Unison album was mid/uptempo with a strong 80's pop-rock influence.

 

Your personal anecdote about hearing certain songs from the album being played for months on end doesn't really say much beyond..well, your personal experience.

 

What's ironic is that we can hypothesize all we want about Celine's more upbeat songs such as "That's the way it is" bringing in younger fans...but the truth is, she had FAR more teenage girls screeching along to true international smashes such as My heart will go on and Because you loved me, even though they're both crusty ballads.

 

Of course people is sacked when they don't meet the company's goal of sales, it happens everyday, not only in music business! But that doesn't mean the album was not successful, maybe that means that simply the company created surreal expectatives and they set the bar too high, in a year when (like you say), piracy was already striking the music sales worldwide.

 

But it wasn't just Sony who had high expectations. Many fans were very disappointed in ANDHC's commercial performance, particularly in the US. Do you think no one is heavily anticipating how Adele's next album will do after 21 broke so many records? It is only a natural reaction to have high expectations after 2 diamond albums in a row, one of the best selling Xmas albums, and one of the best selling greatest hits compilations ever. Yet, as the press deemed, ANDHC could only manage to be a "middling hit".

Sure, ultimately it did respectably, largely on hype. Note how I said it was the "beginning of the end", not that it was an outright flop.

Edited September 23, 2013 at 06:44 PM by Your_Su_Phu