Second single: "Incredible" - Duet with Ne-Yo

[LukeD]

In my opinion, the problem is with radio stations and Sony. The first ones don't consider Celine "cool" enough to play and as for Sony, they know she'll sell either way, so they don't want to put any effort. Both Incredible and Breakaway could have become big big BIG hits but this album is doomed from the beginning. No concept, wrong concept, delays, changes, one year, two years, 4 years, later LMBTL which is really huge! but again sang during a concert and later a month without anything. They should have released the single instantly and do a video. No promotion in radios. Only TV appearances... Releasing Breakaway and Incredible as "ghost" singles. I feel like we don't have a second single still and yet there were moments when they could have done something about it. Now they are again and again postponing things and nothing happens. It's the wrong approach that other albums didn't have. And don't say it's something certain and that it's been like this for ages. Look at Sans attendre. We had 3 REAL singles, in radios, with videos and more importantly with a minitour. So they CAN do good things... but they come up with horrible decisions over and over again

I think SONY made a plan based on the fact that radios would not support Celine. Therefore, Celine appeared in the biggest TV shows in US, France and UK. Instead of putting the blame on them we should probably accept the truth that people in US disliked the material Celine presented. I remind you that the week Celine was on the biggest national TV Show and had her own TV Special she sold less than 30k. And this was also the week before Christmas... Nothing could save the album at this point. Moreover the postponements and the changes of the concept seem irrelevant to how the world responded to the album, it's not as if everyone was expecting Celine's new album and got disappointed because of the delays. I also fail to see the buzz after the first performance of LMBTL. I have been saying this for months...! Anyway, I agree that her team had no real plan but to me this only explains why some fans were frustrated, it does not justify the poor sales in certain markets. Edited February 18, 2014 at 09:22 PM by LukeD

[EternalSunshine]

Why can't they Release a Teaser for the Music Video like Katy Perry with at least coming soon ... That can't be this Hard ... Why always the Big silence between projects!!! Oh Boy ...... Edited February 18, 2014 at 09:30 PM by EternalSunshine

[Kyle_Jared]

It's true the American public not buying this new sound.

[LukeD]

Why can't they Release a Teaser for the Music Video like Katy Perry with at least coming soon ... That can't be this Hard ... Why always the Big silence between projects!!! Oh Boy ......

Because Celine is not a singles/music video artist. Katy Perry is a different story, she is really into mainstream and really current/popular at the moment.

[SuperLove4Celine]

Still nothing during Olympics coverage. Not much time left now between today and the Closing Ceremonies.

[Kyle_Jared]

I'm sure it will play on NBC/CBC during the closing ceremonies (highest ratings too, likely)

 

Video will probably debut that day or next

 

I believe closing ceremonies are Sunday.

[SuperLove4Celine]

I'm sure it will play on NBC/CBC during the closing ceremonies (highest ratings too, likely)

 

Video will probably debut that day or next

 

I believe closing ceremonies are Sunday.

 

I hope you're right! And, yes, the Closing Ceremonies are Sunday at 8:00pm.

[amelie]

I'm sure it will play on NBC/CBC during the closing ceremonies (highest ratings too, likely)

 

Video will probably debut that day or next

 

I believe closing ceremonies are Sunday.

 

Friday would also be nice...

[karebear82]

I'm sure it will play on NBC/CBC during the closing ceremonies (highest ratings too, likely)

 

Video will probably debut that day or next

 

I believe closing ceremonies are Sunday.

 

to kyle_jared: i really, really, really hope that you are right and we all will finally hear incredible on tv during the olympics, even if celine and ne-yo themselves wont be there for the closing ceremony anyway (since celine is now back performing @ caesars and ne-yo i think is working on his new album or on some other peoples albums or something since he also does alot of producing other ppls albums, and its just as well since w/ all the fighting going on in sochi right now and ppl getting hurt, it would have been dangerous for them both and their families to have been there, even though it would have been pretty cool if celine and ne-yo would have performed live @ the olympics (like celine did back in 1996 when she performed "the power of the dream", that was a really beautiful song and moment for her ahhhh the 90s, those were the good days i miss them)...

 

and im also hoping that you are right about them showing the music video for incredible during the ceremony as well or at lease the darn video on youtube already where everybody in the world can finally watch it as we have waiting for almost a whole month now for the video to appear... and even though the video itself or the song being played @ the olympics for only a few seconds if they play it lol wont most likely make any impact on the album sales or make incredible go back on the charts or airplay again since its waaaaay too late for any of that since the momentum and the little excitement for the song and the video is already long gone, but the video should still be released so that all of her fans she has all over the world can finally watch the video since its the only one for the lmbtl album, and if her french album san attende (or whatever its called) can have videos for all of its singles already released, than why her english album have at least one video (since lets face it there wont be anymore singles from the lmbtl album after incredible, @ least hete in the usa... i thimk sony usa, celine, and rene should count their and work on another alb to bring out w/in the next 2 years, @ least thats what i would do if i were in their shoes lol)...

Edited February 18, 2014 at 11:11 PM by karebear82

[SuperLove4Celine]

What's this fighting that's happening in Sochi? I only know of some pro-gay protesters being arrested on Opening Ceremonies night, and then a woman being taken out of a hockey match when she was promoting peace. Anything else going on?

[karebear82]

What's this fighting that's happening in Sochi? I only know of some pro-gay protesters being arrested on Opening Ceremonies night, and then a woman being taken out of a hockey match when she was promoting peace. Anything else going on?

 

oh i heard on the news earlier this evening about the fightimg goin on w/ the protesters @ sochi, i dont know if it was this week that the fights happened, but it was mentioned again and they said that several protesters, a few visitors, and a few police officers got injured during the fights, luckily they said that nobody got seriously hurt, but still its scary that they have had fights right there in public and that several ppl including officers have gotten hurt, btwn that and the threats and the treatments that the athletes and their families and other visitors had to deal w/ while staying in sochi thus far thanks to

Edited February 19, 2014 at 12:10 AM by karebear82

[karebear82]

What's this fighting that's happening in Sochi? I only know of some pro-gay protesters being arrested on Opening Ceremonies night, and then a woman being taken out of a hockey match when she was promoting peace. Anything else going on?

 

oh i heard on the news earlier this evening about the fighting going on w/ the protesters @ sochi, i dont know if it was this week that the fights happened, but it was mentioned again and they said that several protesters, a few visitors, and a few police officers got injured during the fights, luckily they said that nobody got seriously hurt, but still its scary that they have had fights right there in public and that several ppl including officers have gotten hurt, between that and the terrorism threats and the treatments that the olympians athletes and their families and other visitors had to deal w/ while staying in sochi thus far thanks to those terrorism threats that have been affecting sochi and its ppl lately, and those poor olympians who have trained really hard for a long time for the olympics and their loved ones and other visitors who are there to support th olympics are all innocent and have nothing to do w/ russia political fights and stuff and they all shouldnt have to put up w/ the treatment that they haved had being in sochi w/ the hotel rooms and the fights and stuff going on, they all shouldnt have to be put in the middle over something that they have nothing to do w/ in the first place in a country that most of them all dont even live in to begin w/, they are all there for the olympics, to do their sports and be a support for their loved ones that are playing those sports, and are not there for any other reasons than that... but i can say that most of the olympian athletes did really well this year and thank goodness the olympics are almost over they will be ending on sunday... & even though i hope that im wrong about the song incredible and its video not being played @ the closing ceremonies on sunday, but i have a feeling that i might be right about that, but maybe they might good surprise us for once and maybe play the song @ least or maybe even show the video, but i hope you all dont get yourselves too excited and get your hopes up cuz im not going to, we shouldnt hold our breaths for that one, regarding anything to do w/ celine, her team, sony usa, incredible, or any other songs from the imbtl album from this point on lol cuz we are always setting ourselves up for disappointment and i can hear the whomp-whomp sound going off in my head as i type this lol, so i have learned not to get myself psyched up so i dont feel any disappointment... well i gotta go folks i got work in the a.m. tomorrow, have a good evening and try to stay safe and warm my friends, AND HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE NO MORE SNOW YAAAAAY LOL...

[zuv]

Can't they upload a teaser?!? WTH? Sooo lazy.

[DionFanAlways]

Can't they upload a teaser?!? WTH? Sooo lazy.

This would be a nice gesture.....

[Chin]

They usually upload the teaser a few days before its release

[garçon]

momentum gone + no time/effort to promote => flop

 

Just another single to add to Celine's flop list..

 

From 2000 onwards:

 

"Then You Look at Me"

"Live (for the One I Love)"

"The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face"

"If Walls Could Talk"

"Don't Save It All for Christmas Day"

"Goodbye's (The Saddest Word)"

"At Last"

"One Heart"

"Stand by Your Side"

"Faith"

"Et je t'aime encore"

"Contre nature"

"You and I"

"Beautiful Boy"

"Je lui dirai"

"In Some Small Way"

"Tous les secrets"

"Tout près du bonheur"

"I Believe in You"

"Immensité"

"Le temps qui compte"

"On s'est aimé à cause"

"Eyes on Me"

"A World to Believe In"

"A cause"

"The Prayer" (with Josh Groban)

"Alone"

"My Love"

"Voler" (with Michel Sardou)

"Le miracle"

"Qui peut vivre sans amour ?"

"Loved Me Back to Life"

"Breakaway"

[Frozen_Phoenix]

Good to know, that professionals are handling Celine's career...

[Xpresso]

Could this get any worse in terms of timing!!!??? I think Celine shouldn't let Sony USA get any money from the sales of this album.

However, Sony UK should get paid twice!!

[SlovakClark]

I just dont understand why is she still with Sony, -Mariah, MAdonna even now Kylie they changed their companies, why not Celine????Whats so good about being with them?

[couldawouldashoulda]

I just dont understand why is she still with Sony, -Mariah, MAdonna even now Kylie they changed their companies, why not Celine????Whats so good about being with them?

 

She's loyal. A rare thing in showbusiness.

[NicoNV]

I just dont understand why is she still with Sony, -Mariah, MAdonna even now Kylie they changed their companies, why not Celine????Whats so good about being with them?

 

 

The real answer is: only her team actually knows why she is still with Sony.

 

But, it could be that she has a lot of flexibility under her contract (she is not required to produce X number of albums per year, or agree to certain promotion tours, etc.). So, she is still on a major label, but she has more control. This is just a guess though based on how often she releases albums and does promotion. If that is the case (meaning she has more control), then why would she ever leave? She can do exactly what she wants, and still have a major label standing behind her. Her goals are her own; she has a career, and continues to have a career, filled with major successes. Add that to a contract that gives her control, and it sounds like a deal and a career most artists would love to have for themselves.

 

 

Has Ne-Yo promoted Incredible anywhere recently? (I am not on Twitter, so I was just wondering if he brought it up on Twitter or in any interviews lately).

[NicoNV]

She's loyal. A rare thing in showbusiness.

 

 

This could also be a factor. Everything you read about Rene discusses how loyal he is, so maybe loyalty plays a role in it too. It is still a business though, so I doubt even for loyalty he would stick to a deal that her or her career. So, there has to be some advantage to the contract terms themselves as well.

[québecflower]

I just dont understand why is she still with Sony, -Mariah, MAdonna even now Kylie they changed their companies, why not Celine????Whats so good about being with them?

i see what you mean, but those singers are not selling more than Celine..

[couldawouldashoulda]

Also, with Celine and Rene, I'm sure it's not about what does Sony do to promote her, but more, how much do they pay her in her contracts for her albums? We all know that money is the major thing that drives them.

[Maicool4]

Stop Talking About Cher please is Celine Dion Forum

[LukeD]

TPDB is not a flop. It was only released in Quebec and reached #1 in radios there.

[Philippe1984]

momentum gone + no time/effort to promote => flop

 

Just another single to add to Celine's flop list..

 

From 2000 onwards:

 

"Then You Look at Me"

"Live (for the One I Love)"

"The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face"

"If Walls Could Talk"

"Don't Save It All for Christmas Day"

"Goodbye's (The Saddest Word)"

"At Last"

"One Heart"

"Stand by Your Side"

"Faith"

"Et je t'aime encore"

"Contre nature"

"You and I"

"Beautiful Boy"

"Je lui dirai"

"In Some Small Way"

"Tous les secrets"

"Tout près du bonheur"

"I Believe in You"

"Immensité"

"Le temps qui compte"

"On s'est aimé à cause"

"Eyes on Me"

"A World to Believe In"

"A cause"

"The Prayer" (with Josh Groban)

"Alone"

"My Love"

"Voler" (with Michel Sardou)

"Le miracle"

"Qui peut vivre sans amour ?"

"Loved Me Back to Life"

"Breakaway"

 

I agree!!

[CelinesDIVO5]

The real answer is: only her team actually knows why she is still with Sony.

 

But, it could be that she has a lot of flexibility under her contract (she is not required to produce X number of albums per year, or agree to certain promotion tours, etc.). So, she is still on a major label, but she has more control. This is just a guess though based on how often she releases albums and does promotion. If that is the case (meaning she has more control), then why would she ever leave? She can do exactly what she wants, and still have a major label standing behind her. Her goals are her own; she has a career, and continues to have a career, filled with major successes. Add that to a contract that gives her control, and it sounds like a deal and a career most artists would love to have for themselves.

 

 

Has Ne-Yo promoted Incredible anywhere recently? (I am not on Twitter, so I was just wondering if he brought it up on Twitter or in any interviews lately).

 

I TOTALLY see what you are saying here. But I also think that if Celine were to leave SONY, there would honestly be a war among record labels to have her sign with them, and any label would give Celine and Rene pretty much whatever they want.

[dorfus]

momentum gone + no time/effort to promote => flop

 

Just another single to add to Celine's flop list..

 

From 2000 onwards:

 

"Then You Look at Me"

"Live (for the One I Love)"

"The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face"

"If Walls Could Talk"

"Don't Save It All for Christmas Day"

"Goodbye's (The Saddest Word)"

"At Last"

"One Heart"

"Stand by Your Side"

"Faith"

"Et je t'aime encore"

"Contre nature"

"You and I"

"Beautiful Boy"

"Je lui dirai"

"In Some Small Way"

"Tous les secrets"

"Tout près du bonheur"

"I Believe in You"

"Immensité"

"Le temps qui compte"

"On s'est aimé à cause"

"Eyes on Me"

"A World to Believe In"

"A cause"

"The Prayer" (with Josh Groban)

"Alone"

"My Love"

"Voler" (with Michel Sardou)

"Le miracle"

"Qui peut vivre sans amour ?"

"Loved Me Back to Life"

"Breakaway"

 

I agree that almost all of her post-2000 singles have been flops, however I can't really agree with you on this list. Most of these singles were promotional, not commercial, releases. Plus, "Then You Look at Me" and "If Walls Could Talk" don't count as they were cancelled.

[dj4celine]

Anyone hoping that Celine would leave Sony should just get a reality check as that is NEVER happening. First, like someone above posted, under her contract, she has the freedom to promote her releases as and according to her schedule. Second, Rene has a huge stake in Sony Canada (insider tidbit). Thirdly, the music business is complete different to what it had been in the 90s (her heyday years) or even the early 2000s.

 

Sure she has a legendary status in the music business but that doesn't mean she's immune to the downturn in the business.