"Let's Talk About Love" album - Official Topic

[Chantemoi]

 

 

So you think it's one take that's been edited in a couple parts? I don't think I can concur with that idea, just thinking about editing software in 1996-1997. Also, listening to those short clips back to back a few times, the vibrato in her voice for LTAL ending note sounds correct and unaltered, as it does in the other version, too.

 

But I agree the humming sounds like it could have been edited together, who knows. I think she sang it a couple times back to back. I wanna ask her to clarify!

 

I ALWAYS thought the LTAL version was an edited form of the soundtrack version — even before I heard the “one take” story. Same vocals, but they polished them up and corrected what they thought needed correcting.

As far as having the technology back then to draw out the final note, they did the same thing in 2002 in “Sorry for Love” - that’s only 5 years later.

[MTJ]

I ALWAYS thought the LTAL version was an edited form of the soundtrack version — even before I heard the "one take" story. Same vocals, but they polished them up and corrected what they thought needed correcting.

As far as having the technology back then to draw out the final note, they did the same thing in 2002 in "Sorry for Love" - that's only 5 years later.

 

Did they though?

[sebulba]

So you think it's one take that's been edited in a couple parts? I don't think I can concur with that idea, just thinking about editing software in 1996-1997. Also, listening to those short clips back to back a few times, the vibrato in her voice for LTAL ending note sounds correct and unaltered, as it does in the other version, too.

 

But I agree the humming sounds like it could have been edited together, who knows. I think she sang it a couple times back to back. I wanna ask her to clarify!

That was I was thinking...she probably has sung it a few times. I mean why not record many takes to have options when you edit later. Also the song was theme to at the time the most expensive movie ever. Sure emotions and stuff is hard to replicate again but I think Celine is capable in replicating her singing. Also demos can use lower quality recording gear.

[sebulba]

I think now this doesn't happen at the same level... It seems artists like Celine doesn't have the same relevance to the record companies nowaday...

I think Celine is an artist every label would want. Like it looks good to have her in the "portfolio". At the stage of her career she won't be much bigger or smaller as an artist.

Her status, so to speak, is pretty solid. She brings in solid numbers for Sony and they know she always will and they are happy with that. That's why I think she doesn't get that much promotion when it comes to tours or albums.

Edited June 30, 2020 at 04:22 AM by sebulba

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

So you think it's one take that's been edited in a couple parts? I don't think I can concur with that idea, just thinking about editing software in 1996-1997. Also, listening to those short clips back to back a few times, the vibrato in her voice for LTAL ending note sounds correct and unaltered, as it does in the other version, too.

 

But I agree the humming sounds like it could have been edited together, who knows. I think she sang it a couple times back to back. I wanna ask her to clarify!

 

Yeah! The only edited one was the last belting note (OOOOOON) of course it will sound perfect and sounded that it was not altered that’s there job, they’re professional.

 

Both the last belt and humming at the end were edited for the radio version.

 

Don’t mind the software used back in late 90’s because it already exists. It’s like photoshop. How do you think they edit her face for the album.

 

Even auto tune existed around that era

Edited June 30, 2020 at 05:40 AM by jpatdeleon09

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Did they though?

 

For sure! The 2002 version I think was meant to be a remix. They totally cut and pasted the note for “wouldn’t take back a thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing” in the 2003 version and used it as the “I’m not sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy” and used some weird fade out effect on the end of it.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Did they though?

 

Oh yeah. The version of Sorry For Love that’s on One Heart is the recorded version - as a ballad. They decided to remix it for its initial release on A New Day Has Come. That super long note “I’m not sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy” is done by a computer. The same thing was done to a popular Whitney Houston radio remix for her song, It’s Not Right But It’s Okay. Probably by the same producer/mixer.

[MTJ]

Oh yeah. The version of Sorry For Love that’s on One Heart is the recorded version - as a ballad. They decided to remix it for its initial release on A New Day Has Come. That super long note “I’m not sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy” is done by a computer. The same thing was done to a popular Whitney Houston radio remix for her song, It’s Not Right But It’s Okay. Probably by the same producer/mixer.

 

I mean, I know the story on the ballad vs the 2003 version. I bought each CD as they came out almost twenty years ago. At the time I uploaded both to music software and studied the vocal waves, and I determined it wasn't computerized. I guess everyone disagrees. Has a producer from the song ever mentioned it? Maybe we should send some twitter questions out.

Edited June 30, 2020 at 02:43 PM by MTJ

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Oh yeah. The version of Sorry For Love that’s on One Heart is the recorded version - as a ballad. They decided to remix it for its initial release on A New Day Has Come. That super long note “I’m not sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy” is done by a computer. The same thing was done to a popular Whitney Houston radio remix for her song, It’s Not Right But It’s Okay. Probably by the same producer/mixer.

 

The remix you are referencing of “It’s Not Right But It’s Okay” is the Thunderpuss Remix by Thunderpuss (Chris Cox/Barry Harris). Neither are mentioned anywhere in the “A New Day Has Come” credits. I highly doubt they’d allow their work to be put on a Celine album without credit unless it was a similar case to David Foster not being credited anywhere for his contribution on “I Surrender.”

[couldawouldashoulda]

The remix you are referencing of "It's Not Right But It's Okay" is the Thunderpuss Remix by Thunderpuss (Chris Cox/Barry Harris). Neither are mentioned anywhere in the "A New Day Has Come" credits. I highly doubt they'd allow their work to be put on a Celine album without credit unless it was a similar case to David Foster not being credited anywhere for his contribution on "I Surrender."

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean it was the same work...I meant it was similar to that song in how the production was used to facilitate a long held note. It's so obvious in both songs that the vibrato is fake and not a real voice making it.

[MTJ]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean it was the same work...I meant it was similar to that song in how the production was used to facilitate a long held note. It's so obvious in both songs that the vibrato is fake and not a real voice making it.

 

And I disagree. What does everyone else think?

 

MHWGO (LTAL/Titanic), SFL (2002/2003), computer-generated adjustments to Celine's vocals or different mixes made from different takes of the recording? I personally think Celine could/did sing the note as it is in the 2002 version, and I think she would not agree to having her voice that digitally altered, unless it was a dance mix promo.

 

And as for MHWGO, auto-tune was only first released in 1997, so perhaps just as the song was recorded. Cher's Believe was the first hit to use it (or was it Eiffel 65's Blue? Maybe they were simultaneous.), and the young software sounded very clearly digitally manipulated. Over 20 years later and its much more advanced and can be used live with microphones almost undetectably, but this was not the case in 1997, and IMHO neither of the two final notes of the two versions sound altered, especially not by auto-tune. Why is it such a stretch to assume she sang multiple takes within the "one" session everyone mentions.

Edited June 30, 2020 at 05:48 PM by MTJ

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

And I disagree. What does everyone else think?

 

MHWGO (LTAL/Titanic), SFL (2002/2003), computer-generated adjustments to Celine's vocals or different mixes made from different takes of the recording? I personally think Celine could/did sing the note as it is in the 2002 version, and I think she would not agree to having her voice that digitally altered, unless it was a dance mix promo.

 

And as for MHWGO, auto-tune was only first released in 1997, so perhaps just as the song was recorded. Cher's Believe was the first hit to use it (or was it Eiffel 65's Blue? Maybe they were simultaneous.), and the young software sounded very clearly digitally manipulated. Over 20 years later and its much more advanced and can be used live with microphones almost undetectably, but this was not the case in 1997, and IMHO neither of the two final notes of the two versions sound altered, especially not by auto-tune. Why is it such a stretch to assume she sang multiple takes within the "one" session everyone mentions.

 

The note in both versions is SFL end with the same exact run.

[pat200]

the MHWGO notes are both real. The SFL 2002 looooong note is definitely not real, it is elongated.

[Chantemoi]

I think both of the sustained notes are “fake”. For MHWGO, it sounds like they put the vibrato on loop and faded the “nnnn” sound at the end. I’ll agree, it doesn’t sound obvious, because I think they did an amazing job covering it up with some sort of echo effect. Edited June 30, 2020 at 08:51 PM by Chantemoi

[rfkavanagh]

Sorry For Love - there's no attempt to disguise it's a computer-generated sustain in the dance remix on ANDHC - it's part of the style of remix (as noted, similar to Thunderpuss' Whitney remix). I have no doubt Céline could hold the note for that length of time, but that would be a different sound vs. the intentional repetitive computerized stutter on the remix.

[sebulba]

The remix you are referencing of "It's Not Right But It's Okay" is the Thunderpuss Remix by Thunderpuss (Chris Cox/Barry Harris). Neither are mentioned anywhere in the "A New Day Has Come" credits. I highly doubt they'd allow their work to be put on a Celine album without credit unless it was a similar case to David Foster not being credited anywhere for his contribution on "I Surrender."

Really...what did David Foster do write, produce or?

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

Really...what did David Foster do write, produce or?

 

Producer.

[sebulba]

And I disagree. What does everyone else think?

 

MHWGO (LTAL/Titanic), SFL (2002/2003), computer-generated adjustments to Celine's vocals or different mixes made from different takes of the recording? I personally think Celine could/did sing the note as it is in the 2002 version, and I think she would not agree to having her voice that digitally altered, unless it was a dance mix promo.

 

And as for MHWGO, auto-tune was only first released in 1997, so perhaps just as the song was recorded. Cher's Believe was the first hit to use it (or was it Eiffel 65's Blue? Maybe they were simultaneous.), and the young software sounded very clearly digitally manipulated. Over 20 years later and its much more advanced and can be used live with microphones almost undetectably, but this was not the case in 1997, and IMHO neither of the two final notes of the two versions sound altered, especially not by auto-tune. Why is it such a stretch to assume she sang multiple takes within the "one" session everyone mentions.

I think none of them sound auto-tune. Don't think any of Celines songs sound auto-tune. It's probably there on some songs but it's not heavily used so it doesn't stick out anyway. But I think they use a lot of effects to make her sound in a special way which is not to confuse with auto-tune.

Also to be a producer and work with Celine and use auto-tune would be such a waste. I mean compared to modern artists Celine CAN actually sing and hit great notes.

About the MHWGO radio edit the voice sound much different much brighter compared to the movie edit where Celine sound much more natural. Don't know about the last note though have never thought about it. Probably because she can do it live so it haven't crossed my mind.

I think I agree with you that I also think that she did more takes of the song. Even if the "demo" were perfect I think it would be stupid not to record more takes to have options when editing the song later.

But the one take/demo makes for a great story.

Edited July 1, 2020 at 03:11 AM by sebulba

[MaiconSC]

And I disagree. What does everyone else think?

 

MHWGO (LTAL/Titanic), SFL (2002/2003), computer-generated adjustments to Celine's vocals or different mixes made from different takes of the recording? I personally think Celine could/did sing the note as it is in the 2002 version, and I think she would not agree to having her voice that digitally altered, unless it was a dance mix promo.

 

And as for MHWGO, auto-tune was only first released in 1997, so perhaps just as the song was recorded. Cher's Believe was the first hit to use it (or was it Eiffel 65's Blue? Maybe they were simultaneous.), and the young software sounded very clearly digitally manipulated. Over 20 years later and its much more advanced and can be used live with microphones almost undetectably, but this was not the case in 1997, and IMHO neither of the two final notes of the two versions sound altered, especially not by auto-tune. Why is it such a stretch to assume she sang multiple takes within the "one" session everyone mentions.

 

That kind of edit in MHWGO doens't need auto-tune... A simple edit program can do that... I can do that... (for obvious reason it'll sound like trash)... But it's their work to edit and make it sound like natural/original.

If you listen close to the LTAL version, there is a lot of echo at the "OOOON"... That's because they cut the last bit of the word (where she goes up with the note in the Soundtrack), and they needed to fill the space with echo/reverb....

[MaiconSC]

I think none of them sound auto-tune. Don't think any of Celines songs sound auto-tune. It's probably there on some songs but it's not heavily used so it doesn't stick out anyway. But I think they use a lot of effects to make her sound in a special way which is not to confuse with auto-tune.

Also to be a producer and work with Celine and use auto-tune would be such a waste. I mean compared to modern artists Celine CAN actually sing and hit great notes.

About the MHWGO radio edit the voice sound much different much brighter compared to the movie edit where Celine sound much more natural. Don't know about the last note though have never thought about it. Probably because she can do it live so it haven't crossed my mind.

I think I agree with you that I also think that she did more takes of the song. Even if the "demo" were perfect I think it would be stupid not to record more takes to have options when editing the song later.

But the one take/demo makes for a great story.

 

The LTAL sounds different, more brighter because they speeded up the audio a little bit compared to the soundtrack... The same thing happened to THEN YOU LOOK AT ME... But the difference is more evident in TYLAM, since they speeded up a lot more than MHWGO...

[MaiconSC]

Another possibility for the long note at the end of the LTAL version... Is that they copied the note from the "YOU'RE here...". It's the same note and syllable...

 

 

Listen to 3:24 - 3:26 then listen to 4:03 - 4:07

[sebulba]

That kind of edit in MHWGO doens't need auto-tune... A simple edit program can do that... I can do that... (for obvious reason it'll sound like trash)... But it's their work to edit and make it sound like natural/original.

If you listen close to the LTAL version, there is a lot of echo at the "OOOON"... That's because they cut the last bit of the word (where she goes up with the note in the Soundtrack), and they needed to fill the space with echo/reverb....

I think also making a song isn't necessarily about making it natural. I think of it as art. The producer makes it sound how he/she visions the song to sound. In Celines case though I think she should sound as natural as possible since she a great tone and can sing.

 

The LTAL sounds different, more brighter because they speeded up the audio a little bit compared to the soundtrack... The same thing happened to THEN YOU LOOK AT ME... But the difference is more evident in TYLAM, since they speeded up a lot more than MHWGO...

What is name of the different versions of TYLAM? I wanna hear the speed difference.

[sebulba]

Producer.

Thanks.

[MaiconSC]

What is name of the different versions of TYLAM? I wanna hear the speed difference.

 

Original version (soundtrack)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=270cKPPnhME

 

Speeded up version (Celine's album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBSYxyHhvww

Edited July 1, 2020 at 03:51 AM by MaiconSC

[MaiconSC]

I think also making a song isn't necessarily about making it natural. I think of it as art. The producer makes it sound how he/she visions the song to sound. In Celines case though I think she should sound as natural as possible since she a great tone and can sing.

 

Yes i think that way too... but I was meaning "natural" in the case of MHWGO, where it sounds like she sang that way...

[SuperLove4Celine]

Has any studio footage ever been released for “Just A Little Bit Of Love” or “Be The Man?”

[MTJ]

Has any studio footage ever been released for "Just A Little Bit Of Love" or "Be The Man?"

 

I've only ever seen the couple of second-long clips (of JALBOL) in the opening of the LTAL session documentary, like when she's warming up.

[Chantemoi]

Another possibility for the long note at the end of the LTAL version... Is that they copied the note from the "YOU'RE here...". It's the same note and syllable...

 

 

Listen to 3:24 - 3:26 then listen to 4:03 - 4:07

 

I never noticed the similarity between those two notes!! I think you might be right!

[PuraVida]

I think the echo of “and on” in MHWGO is completely Celine, I could totally see her being able to do this technique while moving away from the microphone (they would’ve enhanced it surely)... or if it is just one sound repeated, I’m sure she did “and on” once so they could use it...separate from the larger belt she does at 4:03 precisely

 

As for SFL, I think we users might hear a different place where the computer kicks in, but no doubt a computer does kick in...but I do wonder if she sang it entirely in studio as well, just so she knew where to come back in for the notes that directly follow the computer. After all, there’s no way in actuality that she just cut off her belt from 100 to 0 when recording that bit

Edited July 1, 2020 at 05:58 AM by PuraVida

[Céline RO]

To me the MHWGO note sounds natural but the one in SFL is definitely fake.