"Let's Talk About Love" album - Official Topic

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

I haven't read it before so it was great. Pretty interesting I must say.

I'm a little surprised that the album has that many good song despite the demands. Although think maybe how great the album could've been if more big songwriters were onboard instead of declining because of the contract.

 

I wonder now if her version of “Heaven’s What I Feel” was rejected because Santander refused to give publishing rights to them.

[PuraVida]

What do you guys think of this?

 

http://jimsteinman.com/sacred.htm

 

So now we know why the song wasn't released...

 

I think it’s a shame there is such a tension between money and art... I think in an ideal world there wouldn’t be a record company, so that way artists weren’t as worried about taking a cut of songs they didn’t write

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

I think it’s a shame there is such a tension between money and art... I think in an ideal world there wouldn’t be a record company, so that way artists weren’t as worried about taking a cut of songs they didn’t write

 

In a perfect world, we’d all be on a “Star Trek” planet where money doesn’t exist. LOL

[jpatdeleon09]

Did you do that?? If that's the case it's awesome. Really great job! And I think it sounds really professional. I mean I can't hear that two pieces are combined.

 

Yup! I can’t stand the flat version from Un Peu De Nous instrumentals of this song. So, I added A New Day’s instrumentals and combined them - acoustic and electric guitar with violins

[CelinesDIVO5]

I’m curious why they put Amar Haciendo el Amor on the album? Part of me feels very cynical and thinks Sony was pandering and trying to broaden the audience for the album in a commercial sense.

 

Like they wanted to just cash in on the album instead of having a real artistic vision for it....that’s my biggest gripe with the album at large. It has no cohesive sound or vision. It dips into multiple genres...

 

The pieces on their own, I enjoy. But from a wholistic perspective, it is so jumbled.

 

While there are many different sounds on the album, I think they all come together rather well to create a mood. I love listening from start to finish.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

That's my impression too. Although they tend to exaggerate in interviews. So I think the truth is somewhere in between. I find it hard to believe they only did one take even if they really liked the "audition". I mean why settle for great when they possibly can get even better vocals with more takes. So my theory is they've done more takes but she sings it in style with her "audition" version.

Also demos use to be very simplistic in its arrangement providing enough to get a picture of the song.

 

If she sounded wonderful and captured the emotion of the movie and the song, then it’s perfect after only one take. You can’t replicate that or make it better.

[PuraVida]

While there are many different sounds on the album, I think they all come together rather well to create a mood. I love listening from start to finish.

 

Which mood is that? I don't mean to be flippant, I'm genuinely curious what you think.

[CelinesDIVO5]

What do you guys think of this?

 

http://jimsteinman.com/sacred.htm

 

So now we know why the song wasn't released...

 

Idk what to believe about this. Celine performed TR with Carole at Divas Live ‘98, and Carole was specifically chosen to present Celine with her Billboard Awards that same year. Corey Hart also wrote “Prayer” for ANDHC. Diane Warren has worked with her since then as well. And David Foster sings nothing but the best praises for Celine to this day. I can’t imagine all of this happening years after the fact, if there was bad business blood between Celine and all of these people.

[jpatdeleon09]

Now, rene is gone... does this thing still happens?

[sebulba]

Yup! I can’t stand the flat version from Un Peu De Nous instrumentals of this song. So, I added A New Day’s instrumentals and combined them - acoustic and electric guitar with violins

Again really awesome work I'm impressed! Thought it was official.

It sounds really close to what I want her live arrangement to be.

 

I'm probably wrong but it feels like Celines background music is "simple" to not over shadow Celine so to speak.

[sebulba]

Idk what to believe about this. Celine performed TR with Carole at Divas Live '98, and Carole was specifically chosen to present Celine with her Billboard Awards that same year. Corey Hart also wrote "Prayer" for ANDHC. Diane Warren has worked with her since then as well. And David Foster sings nothing but the best praises for Celine to this day. I can't imagine all of this happening years after the fact, if there was bad business blood between Celine and all of these people.

I think this happens all the time. Except this time it came out and became a little story. Maybe that type of demand is unusual but I think the record labels always want as much money as they can get. I find it hard to believe that any of the bigger songwriters hasn't walked away before because of a bad contract.

Also many of them have been in industry for a long time so I think they know how to separate business vs the person, Celine in this case. They might not like Celines management but that doesn't mean they dislike Celine also. It's not Celine the person that makes the negotiations or demands. I think....

Edited June 29, 2020 at 03:03 PM by sebulba

[Céline RO]

Now, rene is gone... does this thing still happens?

 

I don’t know but I certainly hope so! René was a genius manager and the more Céline sticks to his ways, the better.

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

I think this happens all the time. Except this time it came out and became a little story. Maybe that type of demand is unusual but I think the record labels always want as much money as they can get. I find it hard to believe that any of the bigger songwriters hasn't walked away before because of a bad contract.

Also many of them have been in industry for a long time so I think they know how to separate business vs the person, Celine in this case. They might not like Celines management but that doesn't mean they dislike Celine also. It's not Celine the person that makes the negotiations or demands. I think....

 

Exactly. The artist never negotiates a contract for this very reason. I used to HATE in my early career, before I had representation, when I had to do that very thing. The artistry and the business should be two completely separate things. And, yes, most people in the business can separate the two.

[jpatdeleon09]

Again really awesome work I'm impressed! Thought it was official.

It sounds really close to what I want her live arrangement to be.

 

I'm probably wrong but it feels like Celines background music is "simple" to not over shadow Celine so to speak.

 

Me too! I really want the electric guitar present in the live arrangement.

 

BTW, during her TCWT they have used the electric guitar when she has a show in Japan

 

You can hear the electric guitar too at the end... starts at 0:31

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgeJYsJBR4k

Edited June 29, 2020 at 03:12 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Céline RO]

Again really awesome work I'm impressed! Thought it was official.

It sounds really close to what I want her live arrangement to be.

 

I'm probably wrong but it feels like Celines background music is "simple" to not over shadow Celine so to speak.

 

I actually thought that was her live arrangement! It sounds very similar.

[sebulba]

If she sounded wonderful and captured the emotion of the movie and the song, then it's perfect after only one take. You can't replicate that or make it better.

That is true! Maybe for movie version they used the audition. But I don't think the movie version and the radio edit sound the same. The vocals. Similar but not the same.

Maybe they are the same but not in my ears.

[sebulba]

Me too! I really want the electric guitar present in the live arrangement.

 

BTW, during her TCWT they have used the electric guitar when she has a show in Japan

 

You can hear the electric guitar too at the end... starts at 0:31

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgeJYsJBR4k

Yeah exactly really cool! Maybe we should make a petition on what things we want to hear more of in songs and send to the team, haha.

 

BTW man when I see stuff from TCWT I can't help but think that I totally forgot about the show in Stockholm instead I went to see UFC in same city the same day of the show. And I remember seeing the Celine posters on my way to see UFC and just thought "DAMN what a missed opportunity".

[MaiconSC]

I haven't read it before so it was great. Pretty interesting I must say.

I'm a little surprised that the album has that many good song despite the demands. Although think maybe how great the album could've been if more big songwriters were onboard instead of declining because of the contract. For example I think "Is nothing sacred anymore" is a great song and think that more songs of that calibre were left out because of the publishing issue.

 

Yeah I think of that too... is Nothing Sacred is her best unreleased song.

And by the article, we'd have a Diane Warren song in LTAL too, and that would be awesome...

[MaiconSC]

I wonder now if her version of "Heaven's What I Feel" was rejected because Santander refused to give publishing rights to them.

 

This makes so much sense... But anyway I can not imagine Celine singing those lyrics lol

[MaiconSC]

Idk what to believe about this. Celine performed TR with Carole at Divas Live '98, and Carole was specifically chosen to present Celine with her Billboard Awards that same year. Corey Hart also wrote "Prayer" for ANDHC. Diane Warren has worked with her since then as well. And David Foster sings nothing but the best praises for Celine to this day. I can't imagine all of this happening years after the fact, if there was bad business blood between Celine and all of these people.

 

I think Celine might don't even know about this episode... It was René who cared about business, so I think the writters don't have nothing against Celine.

If that really happened, I think Sony is the one to blame, maybe they knew the potential of the album and wanted to milk every last bit of money possible...

[MaiconSC]

Now, rene is gone... does this thing still happens?

I think this happens all the time. Except this time it came out and became a little story. Maybe that type of demand is unusual but I think the record labels always want as much money as they can get. I find it hard to believe that any of the bigger songwriters hasn't walked away before because of a bad contract.

Also many of them have been in industry for a long time so I think they know how to separate business vs the person, Celine in this case. They might not like Celines management but that doesn't mean they dislike Celine also. It's not Celine the person that makes the negotiations or demands. I think....

I don’t know but I certainly hope so! René was a genius manager and the more Céline sticks to his ways, the better.

Exactly. The artist never negotiates a contract for this very reason. I used to HATE in my early career, before I had representation, when I had to do that very thing. The artistry and the business should be two completely separate things. And, yes, most people in the business can separate the two.

 

I think now this doesn't happen at the same level... It seems artists like Celine doesn't have the same relevance to the record companies nowaday...

[MTJ]

Which song do y'all think is vocally more difficult?

 

"Love Is On the Way" or "When I Need You"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xiRZqP-q7s

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMyF6MEMNIY

 

I disagree with the others, I think Love Is On The Way is more difficult. At least when I was training as a singer, I rehearsed with WINY and became quite good with it. LIOTW, however, I've always been lousy at singing. I think for Celine and her own voice, though, maybe she doesn't find either difficult.

I feel the opposite about the electric guitar in MHWGO — I think it cheapens the song tremendously...

... that, along with the cheesy background singers singing "WHY does the heart go on". What does that even mean!? No one would ever seriously say "my heart will go on" in real life, and even if they did, certainly no one has ever questioned "why" lol.

 

The orchestral version from the movie is my favourite. I also like the unreleased demo version because it's almost a cappella: https://youtu.be/Nj7uhfUQQdk

I'm fairly certain that demo version is a fan-edited version with the instruments removed from the movie version.

Isn't the story of MHWGO is Céline sang this song on studio in acapella then James Horner made an orchestral instrumentals for the recorded vocals of Céline. I'm sure James said that before...

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that this WAS the demo version that Céline sang to initially. There are orchestral elements not included on the final soundtrack. It's sparse instrumentals would have provided Céline enough of a framework to keep in key and in rhythm, right? After her vocals were added to this arrangement, James would have added more orchestration around them.

 

But now I'm just as in the dark as anyone else...

I think it's possible that the demo that Celine recorded might be similar to what you hear. But to my ears, it sounds like this audio is extracted out of the soundtrack version. The vocals have this "processed remnant" sound which is really common in acapella fan-edit versions on YT. However, I'm not sure where the extra instrumental parts before the climax come from.

 

Ok y'all, so I became super curious about this MHWGO demo question a few years back and have figured this much out:

 

Aaron, the version you've been listening to is actually the isolated central channel from one of the later fancy rerelease of the soundtrack SACD. Or maybe it's taken from central channel of the Dolby recording at the credits of the film. I'm glad whomever originally uploaded it did so, because it's beautiful. Its unfortunate that many later uploads mislabel it as the demo.

 

Celine, Rene, and Will Jennings have all separately said, some on multiple occasions, that Will was a bad singer and Celine didn't like his demo, him and the piano. She agreed to record a demo of the song to send to James Cameron for approval to pay for it. The demo was recorded with a simple orchestration, maybe just the piano, and Will produced the orchestral track around the recording of her voice once they had approval.

Now that leaves the question: why are they all concurring she only recorded it once, when we clearly have two different vocal versions (LTAL, Titanic)?

That, I don't know. I have found no evidence of anyone involved the the recording having ever mentioned the fact that there are actually clearly two versions.

 

Thoughts??

 

PS, here's the best version I've found of the Center Channel version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylIBvUw_220

Edited June 29, 2020 at 08:51 PM by MTJ

[rfkavanagh]

I haven't read it before so it was great. Pretty interesting I must say.

I'm a little surprised that the album has that many good song despite the demands. Although think maybe how great the album could've been if more big songwriters were onboard instead of declining because of the contract. For example I think "Is nothing sacred anymore" is a great song and think that more songs of that calibre were left out because of the publishing issue.

 

They were in a really strong negotiating position after the success of FIY, and they took advantage of it. Ultimately, only the more successful, established names could afford to give up the opportunity; for everyone else, even giving up 25% is well worth it to be on a 30-million seller, both for exposure as a songwriter recorded by a premiere artist, and financially given the sheer quantities involved. Doesn't make it right per se, but it's an understandable business negotiation tactic.

[MaiconSC]

Ok y'all, so I became super curious about this MHWGO demo question a few years back and have figured this much out:

 

Aaron, the version you've been listening to is actually the isolated central channel from one of the later fancy rerelease of the soundtrack SACD. Or maybe it's taken from central channel of the Dolby recording at the credits of the film. I'm glad whomever originally uploaded it did so, because it's beautiful. Its unfortunate that many later uploads mislabel it as the demo.

 

Celine, Rene, and Will Jennings have all separately said, some on multiple occasions, that Will was a bad singer and Celine didn't like his demo, him and the piano. She agreed to record a demo of the song to send to James Cameron for approval. My understanding is that the demo was recorded with a simple orchestration, maybe just a piano, and will produced the orchestral track around the recording of her voice (perhaps just the voice recording, and not the piano recording, if it can be done that way).

Now that leaves the question: why are they all concurring she only recorded it once, when we clearly have two different vocal versions (LTAL, Titanic)?

That, I don't know. I have found no evidence of anyone involved the the recording having ever mentioned the fact that there are actually clearly two versions.

 

Thoughts??

 

From what I know, Celine went on studio one day with James Horner and recorded the vocals to the Soundtrack version... The instrumentals were basic, only for Celine to keep the rhythm and key. Maybe it was one take, maybe was more? But what I understand from "recording only one time" is that it was one day at the studio, and since they finished, she never returned.

Now from the difference between LTAL and Soundtrack versions... There is no difference. They are the same vocals. But the soundtrack has the tempo slightly slower for the instrumental at certain parts, and the complete vocals recorded. The LTAL has more pop instrumental tempo and instruments, and has edited vocals; in the last "go on and on" from the climax, they simply cut the note so she doesn't go up as the Soundtrack, and added a lot of echo/reverb to make the note longer. And also the humming ant the end, in the LTAL is edited to be one single phrase, where the Soundtrack are two separeted phrases.

 

And also, the "demo" version doens't exists. Someone took the Soundtack release in 5.1, and isolated both vocals and instrumentals, and edited so it begins acappela, and at the end there are more intrumental parts. But if you pay attention, the "extra intrumentals" are just the same from before, jut copy and paste...

Edited June 29, 2020 at 09:04 PM by MaiconSC

[MTJ]

From what I know, Celine went on studio one day with James Horner and recorded the vocals to the Soundtrack version... The instrumentals were basic, only for Celine to keep the rhythm and key. Maybe it was one take, maybe was more? But what I understand from "recording only one time" is that it was one day at the studio, and since they finished, she never returned.

Now from the difference between LTAL and Soundtrack versions... There is no difference. They are the same vocals. But the soundtrack has the tempo slightly slower for the instrumental at certain parts, and the complete vocals recorded. The LTAL has more pop instrumental tempo and instruments, and has edited vocals; in the last "go on and on" from the climax, they simply cut the note so she doesn't go up as the Soundtrack, and added a lot of echo/reverb to make the note longer. And also the humming ant the end, in the LTAL is edited to be one single phrase, where the Soundtrack are two separeted phrases.

Yes I like that explanation. I guess they recorded a few takes on tape and that was the "one recording," but they had enough material to make 2 versions.

[MaiconSC]

They were in a really strong negotiating position after the success of FIY, and they took advantage of it. Ultimately, only the more successful, established names could afford to give up the opportunity; for everyone else, even giving up 25% is well worth it to be on a 30-million seller, both for exposure as a songwriter recorded by a premiere artist, and financially given the sheer quantities involved. Doesn't make it right per se, but it's an understandable business negotiation tactic.

 

Yes.. that is true... Those are the best years to Celine's carreer, so Sony would like to profit out of it at every costs...

[jpatdeleon09]

I disagree with the others, I think Love Is On The Way is more difficult. At least when I was training as a singer, I rehearsed with WINY and became quite good with it. LIOTW, however, I've always been lousy at singing. I think for Celine and her own voice, though, maybe she doesn't find either difficult.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok y'all, so I became super curious about this MHWGO demo question a few years back and have figured this much out:

 

Aaron, the version you've been listening to is actually the isolated central channel from one of the later fancy rerelease of the soundtrack SACD. Or maybe it's taken from central channel of the Dolby recording at the credits of the film. I'm glad whomever originally uploaded it did so, because it's beautiful. Its unfortunate that many later uploads mislabel it as the demo.

 

Celine, Rene, and Will Jennings have all separately said, some on multiple occasions, that Will was a bad singer and Celine didn't like his demo, him and the piano. She agreed to record a demo of the song to send to James Cameron for approval to pay for it. The demo was recorded with a simple orchestration, maybe just the piano, and Will produced the orchestral track around the recording of her voice once they had approval.

Now that leaves the question: why are they all concurring she only recorded it once, when we clearly have two different vocal versions (LTAL, Titanic)?

That, I don't know. I have found no evidence of anyone involved the the recording having ever mentioned the fact that there are actually clearly two versions.

 

Thoughts??

 

PS, here's the best version I've found of the Center Channel version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylIBvUw_220

 

It's because the one from the LTAL or the radio version was edited. The original one is the demo. Where there is a long ending and slight key change.

 

I think they started editing the part at the end "... my heart will go and OOOOOOOOOOOON" that's where they edited it for the radio version. So, she didn't recorded it again. She did only one take for this song.

[PuraVida]

I disagree with the others, I think Love Is On The Way is more difficult. At least when I was training as a singer, I rehearsed with WINY and became quite good with it. LIOTW, however, I've always been lousy at singing. I think for Celine and her own voice, though, maybe she doesn't find either difficult.

 

 

LIOTW has lots of soft singing, extended soft singing, and extended head voice play dynamics, as well as the considerable low notes and very high parts... I always assumed (maybe wrongly) it was more difficult to sing softly and control it and sound great rather than to belt well. But both songs seem very demanding! And that highest head note in WINY is epic.

Edited June 29, 2020 at 10:05 PM by PuraVida

[PuraVida]

Not sure if this is the thread for tour stuff...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRuMzugpRA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn8VF_AX3NY

 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 at 10:41 PM by PuraVida

[MTJ]

It's because the one from the LTAL or the radio version was edited. The original one is the demo. Where there is a long ending and slight key change.

 

I think they started editing the part at the end "... my heart will go and OOOOOOOOOOOON" that's where they edited it for the radio version. So, she didn't recorded it again. She did only one take for this song.

 

So you think it's one take that's been edited in a couple parts? I don't think I can concur with that idea, just thinking about editing software in 1996-1997. Also, listening to those short clips back to back a few times, the vibrato in her voice for LTAL ending note sounds correct and unaltered, as it does in the other version, too.

 

But I agree the humming sounds like it could have been edited together, who knows. I think she sang it a couple times back to back. I wanna ask her to clarify!