"Sans attendre" album - Official Topic

[québecflower]

other review from the gazette , Montreal....

 

http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2012/11/0...-dion-columbia/

 

these critics, what can i say They don't want to like her, period or dot.com.

[Der_Griffon]

The album is out in Germany since yesterday! I'm so happy to finally have it in my hands!

[browseceline]

His anyone noticed that Montreal Gazette used Leanne's cover instead of the real one!??

[DionFanAlways]

other review from the gazette , Montreal....

 

http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2012/11/0...-dion-columbia/

 

these critics, what can i say They don't want to like her, period or dot.com.

Wow that's pretty harsh. This is the way I look at it. If critics pan it, then it generally good! They often do the same for movies and guess what? They are usually full of it!

I LOVE THIS ALBUM

[Kyle_Jared]

On iTunes for the countries in which it has been released:

 

#2 Switzerland (was # 1 yesterday)

#34 Austria

#39 Germany.

 

 

.....its #22 on France for pre-orders. that should jump to #1 come monday when it' out.

[Kyle_Jared]

.....oh and it's out in Belgium and #2 on iTunes.

[donpi86]

Wow that's pretty harsh. This is the way I look at it. If critics pan it, then it generally good! They often do the same for movies and guess what? They are usually full of it!

I LOVE THIS ALBUM

 

I think that to be a critic he is fair enough for my consideration... I think that he has made a good review based in some idea and not "killing" celine because it's Celine. I think he is totally right with Qui Peut vivre sans amour; and the jours comme ça... and for me, the jewel of the album is Moi quand je pleure too. In the case of Ne Me Quitte Pas, don't wait just for few to say something good. Jaques Brel song is a masterpiece so any copy it's going to be critized.. for me this is a masterpiece too. but you know critics... I'm curious if Rolling Stone mag is doing a review.. They always tear her with no compassion.

[LukeD]

My Review (after listening to the album Twice) :

 

Parler a mon pere - Awesome opener, loved it from the first listen back in July. 9/10

 

Le miracle - Sweet song but brings nothing new to her discography. 7/10

 

Qui peut vivre sans amour - Dark and edgy, definitely not single material as it doesn't represent the sound nor the message of the album. 7/10

 

L'amour peut prendre froid - A solid track, probably the best duet of the album. 7/10

 

Attendre - The introduction is amazing, same goes for the climax. Single material. 9/10

 

Une chance qu'on s'a - Her voice shines in this song. 7/10

 

La mer et l'enfant - Delicate song. 1st time I notice accordion in her songs, 2nd time waves are used in the intro, 1st time being in I Remember LA. 9/10

 

Moi quand je pleure - Bizarre and oldfashioned in a good way, somewhat funny. Could be taken from the album ''Tellement J'ai d'amour''. 7/10

 

Celle qui m'a tout appris - Another solid track, beautiful music and message. I would prefer softer arranegements in the chorus though. 8/10

 

Je n'ai pas besoin d'amour - In the 90s this one could have been a classic hit. Beautiful song. 8/10

 

Si je n'ai rien de toi - The best vocal perfomance of the album, powerful melody, strong and personal lyrics. Screams to be single. 10/10

 

Que toi au monde - My 2nd fave song of the album, loved it from every standpoint. Romantic and realistic at the same time. 9/10

 

Tant de temps - Decent track, but nothing special, it might grow on me though. 6/10

 

Les petits pieds de Lea - Very touching song, excellent approach. 8/10

 

Ne me quitte pas - Nice perfomance, I prefer the live ones though where she really cries and doesn't pretend it. Almost Karaoke. 7/10

 

Les jours comme ca - Radio friendly and fresh, but not the kind of song one remembers in like 10 years from now. Lacks a climax. 7/10

 

Overall, the album is strong and balanced from every standpoint and her voice is in top shape.

 

Top 5 Tracks

 

1) Si je n'ai rien de toi

 

2) Que toi au monde

 

3) Parler a mon pere

 

4) La mer et l'enfant

 

5) Attendre

 

I think Tant de temps is a better closing track than Les jours comme ca, so I'll probably get the Standard Edition.

 

Sans Attendre might become my fave french album.

[Leanne]

His anyone noticed that Montreal Gazette used Leanne's cover instead of the real one!??

 

It isn't my cover

[browseceline]

oh sorry Leanne, but I am quite sure someone on this forum did it, thought it was you, but there has been someone here who created this one, with straight legs... who?

[Mrs.Goldman]

@Jeroen, LMAO

 

@ Luke, I'm sorry, was I supposed to mention this is my opinion? isn't it obvious since this is a discussion board and people express their opinions, espacially seeing that there isn'ta measurment tool for quality of music and it pretty much goes BY the listener's opinion?

Apparently it wasn't so obvious for people like you. no matter, I will specifically mention it next time

 

Rhianna has more hits than I can't remember in the past year alone, Britney Spears also. does this make their musem music good?

No. it makes their music commercial and good for parties and mass events. Succeeding in the charts doesn't make your song good.

 

Also, I am sorry but with the acception of SLV no other Celine Veneruso song was succesful (Not even TLDH). and was definately not embraced by critics, and also fans weren't always very supportive of it, remembering the UFQT days...

 

Celine is not in a place where she should pick songs by commercial potential but by their quality. where are the days songs like Zora Sourit came out as a single??

 

As for "Qui peut vivre.." she is very much straining her voice there. What puts me in a position to say this?

Being a professional singer for over 10 years, knowing enough about vocals and how this entire system works, and adding to this, knowing Celine's voice for 9 years and analyzing it endlessly in each every song she ever sang. so YES, while the rest of my statement here was my own opinion (which from some reason pisses you all off) this one piece is a fact, coming from my own professional background.

 

 

Anything else?

 

Are you implying that you're in position to tell people how much they need JJG in an album? I have to say I don't miss him, despite the fact that I respect him as a songwriter/musician and love the songs he offered Celine.

 

You might dislike Veneruso, but the 3 francophone hits Celine had the past 12 years were all his songs. I'm saying this cause I remember you once stated ''Veneruso is the worse thing that could happen to her''. Having successful songs, embraced by fans and critics alike can't be bad, let alone the worst thing that could happen to an artist.

 

By the way, there is no straining in Que peut vivre sans amour. She kept a neutral larynx throughout the song. Just had one raspy note in the end which has nothing to do with her placement.

 

I get the feeling you're posting affirmative statements (like thinking what you're saying is a fact and right) instead of simply stating your opinion, hence I address this comment to you.

[LukeD]

@Jeroen, LMAO

 

@ Luke, I'm sorry, was I supposed to mention this is my opinion? isn't it obvious since this is a discussion board and people express their opinions, espacially seeing that there isn'ta measurment tool for quality of music and it pretty much goes BY the listener's opinion?

Apparently it wasn't so obvious for people like you. no matter, I will specifically mention it next time

 

Rhianna has more hits than I can't remember in the past year alone, Britney Spears also. does this make their musem music good?

No. it makes their music commercial and good for parties and mass events. Succeeding in the charts doesn't make your song good.

 

Also, I am sorry but with the acception of SLV no other Celine Veneruso song was succesful (Not even TLDH). and was definately not embraced by critics, and also fans weren't always very supportive of it, remembering the UFQT days...

 

Celine is not in a place where she should pick songs by commercial potential but by their quality. where are the days songs like Zora Sourit came out as a single??

 

As for "Qui peut vivre.." she is very much straining her voice there. What puts me in a position to say this?

Being a professional singer for over 10 years, knowing enough about vocals and how this entire system works, and adding to this, knowing Celine's voice for 9 years and analyzing it endlessly in each every song she ever sang. so YES, while the rest of my statement here was my own opinion (which from some reason pisses you all off) this one piece is a fact, coming from my own professional background.

Anything else?

 

You didn't get my points at all.

 

It is one thing to have an opinion and another one to post replies like ''You know nothing'' etc like you did. My comment was about THAT attitude. Also, it wasn't only me who took notice of your comments...

 

Your examples of Britney and Rihanna, while right, have nothing to do with what I said. I never said/implied that commercial success makes a song good, all I said was that Veneuso never did bad to Celine's career, which is your initial statement, as his songs were successful. Nobody sees a problem but you and here you are insisting that you are right and that the songs you support are quality songs.

 

By the way, the major french markets are France, Belgium, Canada and TLDH reached #3, #5 and #2 respectively, & went #1 at Quebec. So much of it not being successful.

 

So, you are telling me that Celine strained on a simple mid belt in QPVSA, while she managed to slay a resonant F5 in Si je n'ai rien de toi? The irony.

[ajguerras]

This "Hesme, Gategno" team is pure power !!!! (Attendre, Si je n'ai rien de toi).. The Best of the album ....

[ahmed_dh90]

from where you can order the deluxe edition online ?

[Bell]

Rhianna has more hits than I can't remember in the past year alone, Britney Spears also. does this make their musem music good?

No. it makes their music commercial and good for parties and mass events. Succeeding in the charts doesn't make your song good.

Exactly.

 

where are the days songs like Zora Sourit came out as a single??

Gone...but hopefully not forever.

[ajguerras]

Maybe I am a little weak these days... but "Le Miracle" makes me wanna cry...

[Julian]

from where you can order the deluxe edition online ?

Amazon.de amazon.fr amazon.com

wowhd.fr

[amelie]

So, you are telling me that Celine strained on a simple mid belt in QPVSA, while she managed to slay a resonant F5 in Si je n'ai rien de toi? The irony.

 

no comment

[Mrs.Goldman]

This is what it is about?

That i said a private joke to Davey - my best friend in the whole world? well, if that's what this is about then this topic is defiantely not worth mentioning anymore...

 

Veneruso DID do something bad to Celine's music. while some songs may have some success over the charts, they are bad and are a waste of song space on a CD. Some of the songs he made over the years weren't as bad (Rien n'est vraiment fini, immensite) but most of them IMO were.

 

Nobody sees a problem but me??

In this very own thread people agreed with me over this, pepole agreed with me over what I wrote when the previews were out and people agreed with me when only PAMP was out and I didn't like it.

and this goes without mentioning the people who are scared at people attacking them later for speaking their minds, and just sent me thumbs up for the courage to speak up.

 

Celine did strain her voice on "Qui peut vivre..". i am not talking about one note but of the entire song. i don't know what you are referring to on je n'ai rien de toi but if she does better on one song and less in another which should be easier in level, is only because she recorded it on a bad day.

 

for example: that's just the woman in me, was recorded after a day of recording another song (i think "this time") and after making celine's voice tired, so that she'll strain it and make it sound blues raspy.

this time round, this is not the case, she may have had a show before the recording, she may have recorded another thing, she may have had just a bad vocal day, but it doesn't change the fact that her voice was tired and strained that day and it is sensed.

 

Now please, stop trying to take this conversation to where it is not - personal - and stopp thinking if i don't like this album or most songs, it's the end of the world. it is very sad for me as a fan, but mostly as a fan and in a frame of free speech, i am allowed not to like something and very much allowed to express it and explain why.

 

You didn't get my points at all.

 

It is one thing to have an opinion and another one to post replies like ''You know nothing'' etc like you did. My comment was about THAT attitude. Also, it wasn't only me who took notice of your comments...

 

Your examples of Britney and Rihanna, while right, have nothing to do with what I said. I never said/implied that commercial success makes a song good, all I said was that Veneuso never did bad to Celine's career, which is your initial statement, as his songs were successful. Nobody sees a problem but you and here you are insisting that you are right and that the songs you support are quality songs.

 

By the way, the major french markets are France, Belgium, Canada and TLDH reached #3, #5 and #2 respectively, & went #1 at Quebec. So much of it not being successful.

 

So, you are telling me that Celine strained on a simple mid belt in QPVSA, while she managed to slay a resonant F5 in Si je n'ai rien de toi? The irony.

[duri]

not very good review from Germany:

 

http://www.focus.de/kultur/musik/plattenki...aid_849709.html

[Celine Fan 77]

Brand new interview on FLASH (Belgium)

[Julian]

Here is an alternal cover, with the Sans Attendre font

I can't do it more professionally

[LukeD]

This is what it is about?

That i said a private joke to Davey - my best friend in the whole world? well, if that's what this is about then this topic is defiantely not worth mentioning anymore...

 

Veneruso DID do something bad to Celine's music. while some songs may have some success over the charts, they are bad and are a waste of song space on a CD. Some of the songs he made over the years weren't as bad (Rien n'est vraiment fini, immensite) but most of them IMO were.

 

Nobody sees a problem but me??

In this very own thread people agreed with me over this, pepole agreed with me over what I wrote when the previews were out and people agreed with me when only PAMP was out and I didn't like it.

and this goes without mentioning the people who are scared at people attacking them later for speaking their minds, and just sent me thumbs up for the courage to speak up.

 

Celine did strain her voice on "Qui peut vivre..". i am not talking about one note but of the entire song. i don't know what you are referring to on je n'ai rien de toi but if she does better on one song and less in another which should be easier in level, is only because she recorded it on a bad day.

 

for example: that's just the woman in me, was recorded after a day of recording another song (i think "this time") and after making celine's voice tired, so that she'll strain it and make it sound blues raspy.

this time round, this is not the case, she may have had a show before the recording, she may have recorded another thing, she may have had just a bad vocal day, but it doesn't change the fact that her voice was tired and strained that day and it is sensed.

 

Now please, stop trying to take this conversation to where it is not - personal - and stopp thinking if i don't like this album or most songs, it's the end of the world. it is very sad for me as a fan, but mostly as a fan and in a frame of free speech, i am allowed not to like something and very much allowed to express it and explain why.

 

I didn't get it was a joke... my bad then!

 

You can think whatever you like about Veneruso or anyone, I'm not trying to change your mind, besides I do prefer Goldman over Veneruso.

 

As of her vocals, we're obviously talking on a different base. You're talking about her condition and I'm talking about her technique, so let's leave it there.

 

The last paragraph you wrote has nothing to do with what I said. Of course everyone is allowed to post their opinion here and it is definitely not the end of the world.

[ryba]

not very good review from Germany:

 

http://www.focus.de/kultur/musik/plattenki...aid_849709.html

 

The people from Focus have a completely bad taste...

[smw]

Is the best option for people living in the United States who want to buy the Sans Attendre Deluxe edition to buy on Amazon Canada or Amazon France? The Amazon Canada Deluxe edition claims to have 2 discs. Any advice? Edited November 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM by smw

[wjd]

I just posted this at UKMIX, might as well post it here too...

 

Celine's French albums on iTunes right now...

 

Sans Attendre

#1 Switzerland

#2 Belgium

#3 Luxembourg

#11 Canada

#18 Netherlands

#20 France

#33 Austria

#39 Poland

#52 Sweden

#59 Finland

#59 Slovenia

#63 Germany

#70 Belgium

#72 Greece

#93 Canada

#99 France

#110 Switzerland

#140 Ireland

#144 Poland

#200 Chile

#216 Argentina

#217 Spain

#251 Italy

#391 Norway

 

D'eux

#101 France

#396 Switzerland

 

On ne change pas

#294 Malta

#357 Romania

 

And her singles...

 

Parler à mon père

#22 France

#22 Vietnam

#32 Luxembourg

#34 Switzerland

#68 Belgium

#86 Bulgaria

#118 Switzerland

#162 Belgium

#272 Poland

#291 Canada

#382 Netherlands

#396 Finland

 

Ne me quitte pas

#227 Switzerland

#260 Luxembourg

#297 Belgium

 

Les jours comme ça

#226 Switzerland

#235 Luxembourg

#338 Belgium

 

Tout l'or des hommes

#107 Vietnam

 

Attendre

#395 Finland

 

Celle qui m'a tout appris

#389 Belgium

 

Les petits pieds de Léa

#261 Luxembourg

 

Tant de temps

#262 Luxembourg

 

Aun Existe Amor

#344 Luxembourg

 

Le miracle

#311 Switzerland

 

Si je n'ai rien de toi

#337 Switzerland

 

You just let anybody tell me she can't have another hit single, and I'll shoot them! She's currently slaying it - according to that website that tracks worldwide iTunes, she's the #42 most popular act in the world right now, on the back of a French album that hasn't even been properly released in the bigger countries yet [France, Canada]. So excited to see her results!

[ryba]

Now that I´ve listened to the album a few times and read the lyric of the songs I understand why they decided for that kind of artwork. At the beginning I didn´t like it but know it I see that it makes sense

[pat200]

The Queen is back

[SensationalCeline]

Is the link working for anyone else??

 

Edit: Nevermind.... like an idiot, I just realized it was Saturday and not Sunday. *facepalm*

Edited November 3, 2012 at 11:35 PM by SensationalCeline

[Mattie]

Since I can't find it on Spotify, is anybody able to create a playlist for Sans Attendre for me and other people? I see a few Sans Attendre playlists but when I click on them, the playlist is apparently empty.