"These Are Special Times" album - Official Topic

[LukeD]

Mariah is actually promoting her Christmas album unlike Celine. AIFCIY has achieved 1.500.000.000 streams on Spotify. This has drawn attention to other songs from Merry Christmas.

 

Celine has not been in the public eye since 2020 and there's been 0 promotion of her catalogue. She is doing OK given the circumstances.

[DCCeline]

Mariah is actually promoting her Christmas album unlike Celine. AIFCIY has achieved 1.500.000.000 streams on Spotify. This has drawn attention to other songs from Merry Christmas.

 

Celine has not been in the public eye since 2020 and there's been 0 promotion of her catalogue. She is doing OK given the circumstances.

 

But what makes it frustrating to me is that this is the one album where Celine doesn't even need to lift a finger or have to be involved at all.

 

Sony could be doing more to get her on Christmas playlists, and to go viral on TikTok.

[jpatdeleon09]

Well, Mariah fans keeps on posting fancams, proshots of Mariah (best parts only) on TikTok. They move like they’re part of Mariah’s team like there’s salary lol.

 

Celine fans. I see some but not much. I guess le fans of mariah did a great job using social medias to promote their idol

Edited November 17, 2023 at 01:22 PM by jpatdeleon09

[LukeD]

Well, Mariah fans keeps on posting fancams, proshots of Mariah (best parts only) on TikTok. They move like they're part of Mariah's team like there's salary lol.

 

Celine fans. I see some but not much. I guess le fans of mariah did a great job using social medias to promote their idol

Mariah lacks self-esteem, numbers are important to her as she feels they prove her worth. She has a wall with pictures of all her #1s singles This has been transmitted to her fan base who's the most hated one on the Internet. At least as far as veteran artists are concerned. Majority of Madonna, Whitney, Celine fans cannot stand them, when they do not really have a problem with each other. Everyone who's encountered lambs on YT understands what I mean.

 

And yes, I can confirm what you say. They only pick the best seconds of her performances to prove that she still sounds great. I am literal in what I'm saying - seconds! But the truth is that even when she manages to hit a note properly, she then loses all breath control and finds it difficult to pick herself up. She's been like that since late 90s with few notable exceptions.

Edited November 17, 2023 at 02:11 PM by LukeD

[anewdionhascome]

These are Special Times could really do wonders for Celines streaming numbers only if Sony and her team cared enough to push and promote the album. This is like the perfect time (well since 2020). Edited November 17, 2023 at 02:48 PM by anewdionhascome

[Állex Sodi]

Mariah lacks self-esteem, numbers are important to her as she feels they prove her worth. She has a wall with pictures of all her #1s singles This has been transmitted to her fan base who's the most hated one on the Internet. At least as far as veteran artists are concerned. Majority of Madonna, Whitney, Celine fans cannot stand them, when they do not really have a problem with each other. Everyone who's encountered lambs on YT understands what I mean.

 

And yes, I can confirm what you say. They only pick the best seconds of her performances to prove that she still sounds great. I am literal in what I'm saying - seconds! But the truth is that even when she manages to hit a note properly, she then loses all breath control and finds it difficult to pick herself up. She's been like that since late 90s with few notable exceptions.

 

You literally responding to a Celine fan who is bother by the fact Mariah fans went to her show and posted videos of it online. That’s it, that’s the complaint, that’s their crime. They dare to post videos of a show.

 

Clearly, there is desperate people everywhere, in every fanbase.

 

[LukeD]

You literally responding to a Celine fan who is bother by the fact Mariah fans went to her show and posted videos of it online. That's it, that's the complaint, that's their crime. They dare to post videos of a show.

 

Clearly, there is desperate people everywhere, in every fanbase.

I do not think jpatdeleon09 was bothered by the activity of lambs. Actually, his post was to express how Celine fans are somewhat inactive. And I spoke of something different. Edited November 17, 2023 at 03:09 PM by LukeD

[smw]

 

 

But what makes it frustrating to me is that this is the one album where Celine doesn't even need to lift a finger or have to be involved at all.

 

Sony could be doing more to get her on Christmas playlists, and to go viral on TikTok.

 

Agreed. They could come up with fun ways to put more attention on These Are Special Times… even do cute cartoon music videos.

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 at 04:10 PM by smw

[smw]

Mariah lacks self-esteem, numbers are important to her as she feels they prove her worth. She has a wall with pictures of all her #1s singles This has been transmitted to her fan base who's the most hated one on the Internet. At least as far as veteran artists are concerned. Majority of Madonna, Whitney, Celine fans cannot stand them, when they do not really have a problem with each other. Everyone who's encountered lambs on YT understands what I mean.

 

 

There’s truth to this. Mariah promotes a cult mentality with her fans. The “Lambs.” Her own insecurities lead to that whole “diva” thing she does.

 

It’s sad because her fans spend so much of their time defending her lackluster singing.

 

Buuuut it’s also true that there are these types of fans for every big artist. I just think that the artist’s persona draws a certain type of fan. Lucky for us, Celine is a humble and kind person.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

There’s truth to this. Mariah promotes a cult mentality with her fans. The “Lambs.” Her own insecurities lead to that whole “diva” thing she does.

 

It’s sad because her fans spend so much of their time defending her lackluster singing.

 

Buuuut it’s also true that there are these types of fans for every big artist. I just think that the artist’s persona draws a certain type of fan. Lucky for us, Celine is a humble and kind person.

 

Trust and believe there are absolute rabid fans of Celine who are just as bad as lambs. I’ve met them, they’ve annoyed me, I’ve told them off. These types of people are not exclusive to Mariah or any other artist.

[LukeD]

There's truth to this. Mariah promotes a cult mentality with her fans. The "Lambs." Her own insecurities lead to that whole "diva" thing she does.

Agreed. It is also the entitlement to toxicity. Mariah publicly dragged Celine in her latest memoir, labelling her ''dueling diva'', referring to ''cultural gap'' and ''sheer lunacy''.

[Nmj]

Agreed. It is also the entitlement to toxicity. Mariah publicly dragged Celine in her latest memoir, labelling her ''dueling diva'', referring to ''cultural gap'' and ''sheer lunacy''.

 

Yes… Mariah is was just pissed that she wasn’t the only “diva” that got to perform with Aretha Franklin. And the fact of the matter is that night ok Divas Live, Celine was having a top notch vocal day and Mariah sounded like her voice was straining and weak ( which mind you at a time where Mariah’s vocals were still great, she just had an off night) but you DO NOT want your “off” night to be on the day when you share a stage with Aretha Franklin and Celine Dion.

 

So poor Mariah copped it to she had more respect for Aretha, no Mariah your voice shut off and didn’t even give you a chance to help her “lift it”.

[KyleVan41]

And not to "pick" on her disorder itself, but Mariah does have bi-polar. She revealed that a few years ago. Which used to be named manic-depressive.

 

This mental/emotional condition has definitely affected her ........shall we say, behavior.

 

Even outside of this, she's clearly nuts lol. I personally can't stand watching her perform. She is so uncomfortable and has zero stage presence. Which is why when you look at her Boxscore data compared to Celine's is dismal. And the whole having her team come out and primp her hair and make up is so cringe. Gross. No.

Edited November 17, 2023 at 07:31 PM by KyleVan41

[ryba]

I think that the reason Mariah repeated this whole Divas story from her own stupid perspective in her memories was that she needed to provide some drama in her book as she is known for creating drama. It’s her way to get the public’s attention. Otherwise nobody would care for that book. I think that in reality she likes and respects Celine. Celine even said that they were once hanging out in a recording studio. Mariah also had very kind words for her when she got pregnant and after Rene passed away. I think that her Diva story was so famous that she needed to include it in the book, but at least she didn’t mention Celine by name. Edited November 17, 2023 at 07:41 PM by ryba

[Nmj]

And not to "pick" on her disorder itself, but Mariah does have bi-polar. She revealed that a few years ago. Which used to be named manic-depressive.

 

This mental/emotional condition has definitely affected her ........shall we say, behavior.

 

Even outside of this, she's clearly nuts lol. I personally can't stand watching her perform. She is so uncomfortable and has zero stage presence. Which is why when you look at her Boxscore data compared to Celine's is dismal. And the whole having her team come out and primp her hair and make up is so cringe. Gross. No.

 

GREAT songwriter…. ZERO stage presence… she stands there like a deer in the headlights.

[comingback]

I was a big Mariah fan in the Mid 90s (Music Box/Daydream) and I still love her 90s music. That's it. Do you guys remember the Oscar performance with Whitney in 1999 (When You Believe)? Mariah's face when she realized that Queen Whitney upstaged her is priceless🤭.

[ryba]

I was a big Mariah fan in the Mid 90s (Music Box/Daydream) and I still love her 90s music. That's it. Do you guys remember the Oscar performance with Whitney in 1999 (When You Believe)? Mariah's face when she realized that Queen Whitney upstaged her is priceless🤭.

really? At what minute?

 

[Critiaslux]

I think that the reason Mariah repeated this whole Divas story from her own stupid perspective in her memories was that she needed to provide some drama in her book as she is known for creating drama. It's her way to get the public's attention. Otherwise nobody would care for that book. I think that in reality she likes and respects Celine. Celine even said that they were once hanging out in a recording studio. Mariah also had very kind words for her when she got pregnant and after Rene passed away. I think that her Diva story was so famous that she needed to include it in the book, but at least she didn't mention Celine by name.

 

On this topic :

 

Edited November 18, 2023 at 11:01 AM by Critiaslux

[Critiaslux]

I think that the reason Mariah repeated this whole Divas story from her own stupid perspective in her memories was that she needed to provide some drama in her book as she is known for creating drama. It's her way to get the public's attention. Otherwise nobody would care for that book. I think that in reality she likes and respects Celine. Celine even said that they were once hanging out in a recording studio. Mariah also had very kind words for her when she got pregnant and after Rene passed away. I think that her Diva story was so famous that she needed to include it in the book, but at least she didn't mention Celine by name.

 

double

Edited November 18, 2023 at 11:03 AM by Critiaslux

[comingback]

MTV Germany is playing Christmas music/videos right now (MTV XMAS). I wish Sony would promote TAST more...🎄. Christmas is on the way...

[Davey84]

The album with IMAAOCD and without IYA has also been released on CD:

 

https://www.archambault.ca/disques/these-are-special-times-liste-des-pistes-r%C3%A9vis%C3%A9e/dion-c%C3%A9line/19658792692/?id=4087967&cat=1884314

[jpatdeleon09]

Will Celine still got money if peeps streams IYA on R. Kelly’s album?

[MaiconSC]

The album with IMAAOCD and without IYA has also been released on CD:

 

https://www.archamba...967&cat=1884314

 

It's a digipack, instead of jewel case...

 

[Daysleeper]

I think "Les cloches du hameau" is a great closing song of the album. They should have left it like that and put I Met An Angel (On A Christmas Day) in the place of I'm Your Angel.

[celinesounds]

I think "Les cloches du hameau" is a great closing song of the album. They should have left it like that and put I Met An Angel (On A Christmas Day) in the place of I'm Your Angel.

 

That’s what I think too

 

 

[Peppercorn1991]

I think "Les cloches du hameau" is a great closing song of the album. They should have left it like that and put I Met An Angel (On A Christmas Day) in the place of I'm Your Angel.

 

Just pure lack of thought ….. it’s what happens when artists or their manager relies on others to “be creative” on behalf of them.

 

Kev x

[comingback]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPmQ42LN-CY

 

At 2:50 she talks about the production of the songs and she tells to Rene and the producers that the production sounds like she is wearing a mask. Interesting, I wish she would be more confident in the production part of an album.

[smw]

I think "Les cloches du hameau" is a great closing song of the album. They should have left it like that and put I Met An Angel (On A Christmas Day) in the place of I'm Your Angel.

 

I almost look at it like a bonus track tacked on after the official album actually ends.

 

But I agree with you.

[smw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPmQ42LN-CY

 

At 2:50 she talks about the production of the songs and she tells to Rene and the producers that the production sounds like she is wearing a mask. Interesting, I wish she would be more confident in the production part of an album.

 

I love clips like this… to see Celine (in her prime years) in the studio being involved in the recording process.

 

I’m thrilled they took the time to record a Christmas album at the peak of her popularity.

 

I wish Whitney Houston did the same… ideally, the year after The Bodyguard. It would’ve been huge.

[zuv]

This is just a suggestion, but I was wondering if moderators could edit the first post of this thread and add all the albums information like the list of songs which ones are original which ones are not and anything that they feel tmight be make sense to add regarding this album maybe some videos

 

If that’s even possible

Edited November 21, 2023 at 06:45 PM by zuv