Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[SuperLove4Celine]

Not including more material from the album in the tour was a major mistake, too. I'm not saying I expected every single song from the album to be in the setlist, but there should have been at least 2-3 more songs from the album included. Plus, if "Lying Down" had to be removed for whatever reason, another song from the album should have replaced it.

 

Also, at the very least, "Imperfections" should have received remixes that were sent to clubs. I know the dance charts have a tendency to get made fun of in the industry for not being relevant or a big deal, but getting a remix of "Imperfections" to #1 on it would have been a cool way to get the album more exposure to the masses. Remixes of other songs from the album like: "Nobody's Watching," "Baby," "Heart Of Glass," "Soul" and/or "The Chase," for example, could have followed thereafter.

 

Lastly (for now - LOL), excluding "Ashes" from its tracklist was a MAJOR misstep. I know everybody wanted the album to have 100% new material, BUT "Ashes" BELONGED on that album. The connection to "Deadpool 2" would have helped move a few more units. Maybe not enough to keep it at #1, but it would have definitely helped.

[RosieBarron]

Pepe has been posting Celine pictures on his Facebook today, one of the posts says something like get ready Europe, she is coming 🤔

 

I thought he'd gone from her team. Wasn't there some talk a while ago about him unfollowing her on social media etc.

 

Given how cagey they have been about talking about her health, if he is still about, would he be allowed to be posting like that? Of course the shows are scheduled to go ahead, but if genuine this would be taken by a lot of people to be him implying that she has recovered. That surely wouldn't be his place to be doing that.

[RosieBarron]

Pepe has been posting Celine pictures on his Facebook today, one of the posts says something like get ready Europe, she is coming 🤔

 

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Edited February 5, 2022 at 11:03 PM by RosieBarron

[mirage]

The biggest fail imo is that when finally after years you get David Guetta 'to work' with you, you don't make any remix of that song.

 

Same goes Perfect Goodbye from Steve Aoki.

 

Though a song with David Guetta would be long overdue it would still made some noise.

 

Not including more material from the album in the tour was a major mistake, too. I'm not saying I expected every single song from the album to be in the setlist, but there should have been at least 2-3 more songs from the album included. Plus, if "Lying Down" had to be removed for whatever reason, another song from the album should have replaced it.

 

Also, at the very least, "Imperfections" should have received remixes that were sent to clubs. I know the dance charts have a tendency to get made fun of in the industry for not being relevant or a big deal, but getting a remix of "Imperfections" to #1 on it would have been a cool way to get the album more exposure to the masses. Remixes of other songs from the album like: "Nobody's Watching," "Baby," "Heart Of Glass," "Soul" and/or "The Chase," for example, could have followed thereafter.

 

Lastly (for now - LOL), excluding "Ashes" from its tracklist was a MAJOR misstep. I know everybody wanted the album to have 100% new material, BUT "Ashes" BELONGED on that album. The connection to "Deadpool 2" would have helped move a few more units. Maybe not enough to keep it at #1, but it would have definitely helped.

[AdrienneM]

Not including more material from the album in the tour was a major mistake, too. I'm not saying I expected every single song from the album to be in the setlist, but there should have been at least 2-3 more songs from the album included. Plus, if "Lying Down" had to be removed for whatever reason, another song from the album should have replaced it.

 

Also, at the very least, "Imperfections" should have received remixes that were sent to clubs. I know the dance charts have a tendency to get made fun of in the industry for not being relevant or a big deal, but getting a remix of "Imperfections" to #1 on it would have been a cool way to get the album more exposure to the masses. Remixes of other songs from the album like: "Nobody's Watching," "Baby," "Heart Of Glass," "Soul" and/or "The Chase," for example, could have followed thereafter.

 

Lastly (for now - LOL), excluding "Ashes" from its tracklist was a MAJOR misstep. I know everybody wanted the album to have 100% new material, BUT "Ashes" BELONGED on that album. The connection to "Deadpool 2" would have helped move a few more units. Maybe not enough to keep it at #1, but it would have definitely helped.

 

At the bare minimum the show should’ve had the 4 released singles; Courage, Lying Down, Imperfections and Flying on My Own. And when it was released as a single, Change My Mind should’ve been added too. They could’ve done that at least

[SuperLove4Celine]

At the bare minimum the show should've had the 4 released singles; Courage, Lying Down, Imperfections and Flying on My Own. And when it was released as a single, Change My Mind should've been added too. They could've done that at least

 

"Change My Mind" was released as a single???

[AdrienneM]

 

 

"Change My Mind" was released as a single???

 

In the UK and Europe, yes. But the fact that you didn’t even know speaks volumes to Sonys handling of it as one 🙃🙃🙃

[remykyes]

Excluding "Ashes" from its tracklist was a MAJOR misstep. I know everybody wanted the album to have 100% new material, BUT "Ashes" BELONGED on that album. The connection to "Deadpool 2" would have helped move a few more units. Maybe not enough to keep it at #1, but it would have definitely helped.

 

Hell, it should have been in the setlist for the tour with FOMO, Courage, Lying Down, and Imperfections.

[SuperLove4Celine]

Hell, it should have been in the setlist for the tour with FOMO, Courage, Lying Down, and Imperfections.

 

I agree 100%.

[SuperLove4Celine]

In the UK and Europe, yes. But the fact that you didn't even know speaks volumes to Sonys handling of it as one ������

 

Well, to be fair, I don't know everything about Celine, but I get your point. If the tour does continue, I wonder if it will be added to the setlist. **tries not to laugh**

Edited February 6, 2022 at 01:59 AM by SuperLove4Celine

[Celinelife]

 

 

Well, to be fair, I don't know everything about Celine, but I get your point. If the tour does continue, I wonder if it will be added to the setlist. **tries not to laugh**

I think they will add some Courage songs, especially the ones that are easy to sing like FTLTIL

[comingback]

They should have released the album in 2017 and not 2019. With better production, pronunciation and promotion. She was already on her Mini Tours, so she could have sung the new songs there. +The album tracklist was too long (10-12 songs would have been enough) and excluding Ashes was a big mistake! Edited February 6, 2022 at 08:18 AM by comingback

[AdrienneM]

If it was released in 2017 it would’ve lasted even shorter than it did in 2019. It would’ve come out either in June or in November and either way it would’ve died; June, she was on tour and wouldn’t have been able to do any promotion for it and by the time she finished the tour, the album would’ve long passed, and if she released it in November, she was in Vegas the whole month and then went off with back spasms. I’m glad they released it when they did- it was a fresh era coming off of vegas and felt entirely separate. LMBTL for me just felt like a 2 week vegas vacation, it wasn’t really its own era.

[Celinelife]

This time they put more pressure on tour promo, than on album promo

[DionFanAlways]

I think they will add some Courage songs, especially the ones that are easy to sing like FTLTIL

If the tour happens, they won't. She'll slide tight back into the same set.

 

Bet my bottom dollar on that one, lol.

[AdrienneM]

If the tour happens, they won't. She'll slide tight back into the same set.

 

Bet my bottom dollar on that one, lol.

 

Well, you’ll probably get If You Asked Me To swapped for TT, so there will be one change lmao

[couldawouldashoulda]

I think they will add some Courage songs, especially the ones that are easy to sing like FTLTIL

 

Why on Earth would they add more songs from a 3 year old album that was a failure? I suppose they're going to finally release the Lying Down video? Might as well release EUS while they're at it.

 

Celine is a smart enough person to know that, when she does return to performing live, her audience isn't going to want to hear songs they've never heard from an album they never listened to. They're going to want more of the old, comfortable, nostalgic songs from a better time. She'll probably want that herself.

[ryba]

Sorry, but I couldn’t care less about the Courage songs. I don’t really like them apart for a few exceptions like Heart of Glass or The Hard Way. The rest is material that I don’t want to hear in her concert which I bought expensive tickets for. Imperfections didn’t work live at all. I‘d rather hear songs from ANDHC.

[Celinelife]

The songs are great, but not live ones, cause they are hard to sing.

[comingback]

Sorry, but I couldn’t care less about the Courage songs. I don’t really like them apart for a few exceptions like Heart of Glass or The Hard Way. The rest is material that I don’t want to hear in her concert which I bought expensive tickets for. Imperfections didn’t work live at all. I‘d rather hear songs from ANDHC.

 

Amen. From the album I only like the great titletrack Courage and Heart of Glass. The other songs are forgettable. Even LMBTL (the first half) was better than this Flop album.

[Chantemoi]

 

 

All true! And the reasons it flopped. Plus, as we all remember, she got sick and had to cancel weeks of promotion when the album was released. There are many reasons why the album flopped. But it flopped hard!

 

I don’t recall any confirmed appearances that had been announced then cancelled… we like to *believe* she was going to promote the album more, but how do we know for sure?

 

To me the fact that Céline/Sony/TC didn’t highlight all the hired talent they enlisted was a major fail. Sia, David Guetta, Sam Smith, Steve Aioki, LP, and even Chris Isaak — not a single mention of them in the promos (that I can recall). No remixes, music video cameos, live duets… nothing! She didn’t even say in her concerts, “Now here’s a song written for me by Sia and David Guetta”

Edited February 6, 2022 at 03:31 PM by Chantemoi

[Shamrock_1982]

My contact at Sony UK confirmed to me at the listening party that they had a tone of promo booked for her but it all had to be scrapped, not sure about other countries though.

[ryba]

My contact at Sony UK confirmed to me at the listening party that they had a tone of promo booked for her but it all had to be scrapped, not sure about other countries though.

due to her illness at that time?

[manu23]

It’s funny to read fans calling Courage a flop album, when despite the lack of promo (we all know she had two weeks of promo planned but had to change plans due to getting sick and shows being rescheduled), it received some of the best critics of her career and outsold (by far) all her perks last albums including Madonna, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera, Janet Jackson… Some fans also seem to forget that Courage tour was the top female tour of the year, second overall only behind Elton John. And that in advanced tickets sold, Courage tour is already one of the top grossing tours in 2022. Funny but sad too. Any legacy artist (and their fandom) would kill to get only half those numbers.

[george_matei]

It’s funny to read fans calling Courage a flop album, when despite the lack of promo (we all know she had two weeks of promo planned but had to change plans due to getting sick and shows being rescheduled), it received some of the best critics of her career and outsold (by far) all her perks last albums including Madonna, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera, Janet Jackson… Some fans also seem to forget that Courage tour was the top female tour of the year, second overall only behind Elton John. And that in advanced tickets sold, Courage tour is already one of the top grossing tours in 2022. Funny but sad too. Any legacy artist (and their fandom) would kill to get only half those numbers.

Exactly! You're right! And we have to remember that the album was leaked two weeks before release date...

Edited February 6, 2022 at 05:04 PM by george_matei

[Peppercorn1991]

I love courage album.

 

Kev x

[comingback]

It’s funny to read fans calling Courage a flop album, when despite the lack of promo (we all know she had two weeks of promo planned but had to change plans due to getting sick and shows being rescheduled), it received some of the best critics of her career and outsold (by far) all her perks last albums including Madonna, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera, Janet Jackson… Some fans also seem to forget that Courage tour was the top female tour of the year, second overall only behind Elton John. And that in advanced tickets sold, Courage tour is already one of the top grossing tours in 2022. Funny but sad too. Any legacy artist (and their fandom) would kill to get only half those numbers.

 

Great that you like the album! People have different tasts. For me it's a Flop album and that's not because of the Charts performance. The production and pronunciation are bad and the songs are forgettable (the great titletrack is an exception).

Edited February 6, 2022 at 05:45 PM by comingback

[smw]

It’s funny to read fans calling Courage a flop album, when despite the lack of promo (we all know she had two weeks of promo planned but had to change plans due to getting sick and shows being rescheduled), it received some of the best critics of her career and outsold (by far) all her perks last albums including Madonna, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera, Janet Jackson… Some fans also seem to forget that Courage tour was the top female tour of the year, second overall only behind Elton John. And that in advanced tickets sold, Courage tour is already one of the top grossing tours in 2022. Funny but sad too. Any legacy artist (and their fandom) would kill to get only half those numbers.

 

Exactly.

 

It’s a shame the pandemic halted the Courage tour - it was such a big success.

 

I’ll always be a fan of the Courage album because Celine put it all together herself, without Rene. I think there are several strong songs on the album - Look At Us Now, Imperfections, The Hard Way, Heart of Glass, Courage, Lying Down, Change My Mind, For The Lover That I Lost, etc. There’s a rawness and grittiness to the vocals on the album and that works for me, overall, considering her personal circumstances when recording it.

 

The only things I’d change about the album are the track list order and the addition of at least one more song where Celine demonstrates that beautiful iconic fluid tone of hers that she still possesses when she wants to. Perhaps Play Me Like A Love Song would’ve done the trick. But fortunately we got a stunning cover of Wicked Games on Spotify, which also would have been a lovely addition for the album. Celine sounds divine on that song.

 

Also, there were many memorable, standout moments during the Courage era — like Sam Smith declaring his love for Celine, the Ace Theater event, the Apple Music short film, Celine performing in Miami after her mother’s passing in her honor, subway singers in NYC after the concert, RuPaul loving the album, etc.

 

And even though it dropped fast, it was still a #1 album! I think of the Courage era as a success… even with the bumps in the road. And I agree that Celine’s doing very well when compared to her contemporaries. She remains an untouchable force when it comes to live performance.

 

Edited February 6, 2022 at 06:04 PM by smw

[smw]

But I do wonder if that giant drop in the charts will prevent Celine from releasing another English album any time soon? Or if it will just inspire her to change her promo strategy for the next time.

[manu23]

Great that you like the album! People have different tasts. For me it's a Flop album and that's not because of the Charts performance. The production and pronunciation are bad and the songs are forgettable (the great titletrack is an exception).

 

Then you are using the word flop wrongly. If you read my post thoroughly you'll see I never said if I like the album or not. Courage performed exactly the same as most female legacy artists, high peak positions first week but huge drops on second week. They are not supported by radio or streaming, so they wont have longevity in the charts. And that's totally fine, you can't be on the top forever. But clever artists will find their ways to stay relevant. Some might focus on their Christmas music, others will diversify and create makeup brands and others through touring and fashion.