Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[idroveallnight]

Then why did they initially add more dates/legs to the tour?

 

The court date didn't happen until after the pandemic started. Other people on the forum mentioned that since Rene's passing, Celine has learned more and more about the deals and negotiations he made for her, including some like this one that she felt were way too generous.

[PuraVida]

The court date didn't happen until after the pandemic started. Other people on the forum mentioned that since Rene's passing, Celine has learned more and more about the deals and negotiations he made for her, including some like this one that she felt were way too generous.

 

Hypothetically, at that point it becomes a maths equation, how much can she earn touring versus how much could she save by not touring.

 

I personally think she COULD probably perform the tour dates she cancelled (provided they had been able to rehearse), but with her still not being 100% and with COVID resurging again and possibly maybe this contractual consideration....that is enough combined effect to postpone it.

 

It's just way simpler that way. And then the quick simple answer to give is--I'm still healing. Which she probably is, which also gives her the right and the justification to continue completely in hiding.

[idroveallnight]

The thing is, at a certain point, she makes more money by just performing. She could make that money back easily. But then along came the pandemic and her health issue.

 

Agree but I think it's just the principle to her that this dude doesn't deserve to make this hefty commission on a deal her late husband made and that is going to affect her through her 50's. It might not seem a lot relative to what she is making but she is the one literally breaking her back to the point of muscle spasms to make that money. Obviously what she feels and what the law says are two very different things, which is why they ruled against her, but I'm sure it still stings. Now given they have canceled the Courage tour and the new Vegas residency hasn't happened yet, I think this means there's an opportunity to revisit the terms of that contract. Does that mean Mr. Prinz doesn't get paid on any new shows that happen? I'm not sure, but I'm sure it's what she wants.

[PuraVida]

Agree but I think it's just the principle to her that this dude doesn't deserve to make this hefty commission on a deal her late husband made and that is going to affect her through her 50's. It might not seem a lot relative to what she is making but she is the one literally breaking her back to the point of muscle spasms to make that money. Obviously what she feels and what the law says are two very different things, which is why they ruled against her, but I'm sure it still stings. Now given they have canceled the Courage tour and the new Vegas residency hasn't happened yet, I think this means there's an opportunity to revisit the terms of that contract. Does that mean Mr. Prinz doesn't get paid on any new shows that happen? I'm not sure, but I'm sure it's what she wants.

 

If he legally is supposed to get paid no matter what she does, then this whole speculation is moot.

 

And as far as we know, during the Courage tour itself, she wasn't experiencing any pain. Now, it's a whole different story. But doesn't she earn like 30 - 40 million in a year anyway? I'm sure she can truly afford even this unfair financial burden.

 

Anyway, I hope she gets better. It would be such a shame if illness were to take her out of the spotlight. Her talent and her heart are too big for that.

[Nmj]

 

 

People who would get angry at that should get over themselves. All it would take is 3 seconds for any thinking person to understand the difference.

 

Besides, this pandemic has shown that Celine will do things her way anyway. That seems very clear.

 

Listen I agree with you however, I can understand if people are angry if she were to do an award show the same month of a canceled show… These people bought their tickets ages ago; only recently got refunded after the promoters held onto the money for over two years. The fact is optics matter and Celine knows that. Especially at a time when there’s nothing to promote.

[PuraVida]

Listen I agree with you however, I can understand if people are angry if she were to do an award show the same month of a canceled show… These people bought their tickets ages ago; only recently got refunded after the promoters held onto the money for over two years. The fact is optics matter and Celine knows that. Especially at a time when there’s nothing to promote.

 

People always seem to say Celine cares about optics. Where is the proof?

 

And better yet, why do people only seem to apply this rule to Celine? Tons of other artists have had to cancel shows during the pandemic and they didn't run and hide after. Circumstances happen and so-called fans should know that.

[idroveallnight]

If he legally is supposed to get paid no matter what she does, then this whole speculation is moot.

 

And as far as we know, during the Courage tour itself, she wasn't experiencing any pain. Now, it's a whole different story. But doesn't she earn like 30 - 40 million in a year anyway? I'm sure she can truly afford even this unfair financial burden.

 

Anyway, I hope she gets better. It would be such a shame if illness were to take her out of the spotlight. Her talent and her heart are too big for that.

 

Well, he only gets paid if she does shows. I'm not saying all the cancellations are happening because she doesn't want to pay him -- but one unintended consequence of all this is that she may be able to get out of it if she has to negotiate a new contract or deal that technically he has nothing to do with. Remember, her exact words were that she felt "betrayed." That's a strong sentiment coming from Celine.

[nuts2you]

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2022/jan/19/curtain-up-celine-dion-penn-teller-all-shook-up-/

 

read the bottom of this article , it talks about maybe Vegas we will see

[Dancing_Queen]

 

 

People always seem to say Celine cares about optics. Where is the proof?

 

She once said it herself in some interview (maybe soneone will remember the one I'm talking about?).

 

I'm paraphrasing, but she said that if she so much as feels a tickle in her throat, she's hesitant to go out and show herself. Because if she then has to cancel her next show due to illness, people would say 'oh, but you were well enough to go golfing last week-end.' and she wants to avoid that.

 

This is a standard she applied (and clearly still does apply) to herself. Because most other singers don't give a damn about optics. Lady Gaga has even cancelled shows due to physical complaints only to go horseriding in high heels shortly after...lol

 

[Nmj]

 

 

She once said it herself in some interview (maybe soneone will remember the one I'm talking about?).

 

I'm paraphrasing, but she said that if she so much as feels a tickle in her throat, she's hesitant to go out and show herself. Because if she then has to cancel her next show due to illness, people would say 'oh, but you were well enough to go golfing last week-end.' and she wants to avoid that.

 

This is a standard she applied (and clearly still does apply) to herself. Because most other singers don't give a damn about optics. Lady Gaga has even cancelled shows due to physical complaints only to go horseriding in high heels shortly after...lol

 

I think optics are important and I’m glad Celine does too. I’d love to see her as much and anyone else, but I’d understand her NOT wanting to be seen doing award shows in the same time frame of canceled shows.

[PuraVida]

She once said it herself in some interview (maybe soneone will remember the one I'm talking about?).

 

I'm paraphrasing, but she said that if she so much as feels a tickle in her throat, she's hesitant to go out and show herself. Because if she then has to cancel her next show due to illness, people would say 'oh, but you were well enough to go golfing last week-end.' and she wants to avoid that.

 

This is a standard she applied (and clearly still does apply) to herself. Because most other singers don't give a damn about optics. Lady Gaga has even cancelled shows due to physical complaints only to go horseriding in high heels shortly after...lol

 

In the example you are paraphrasing, the point is shown quite clearly. "Golfing last weekend".... people heal and cirumstances change in a matter of months, sometimes a matter of days.

 

I'm sorry, to me it is extremely strange and weird to apply to Celine a standard to which virtually no one else in the music industry is held. It's draconian, not some badge of integrity. Because it's not like Celine is skipping concerts and doing stuff that same day.

[PuraVida]

Well, he only gets paid if she does shows. I'm not saying all the cancellations are happening because she doesn't want to pay him -- but one unintended consequence of all this is that she may be able to get out of it if she has to negotiate a new contract or deal that technically he has nothing to do with. Remember, her exact words were that she felt "betrayed." That's a strong sentiment coming from Celine.

 

Yes, I think a combo of factors led to the cancellation.

[idroveallnight]

Yes, I think a combo of factors led to the cancellation.

 

Exactly, covid, her own personal illness, Rob Prinz, Adele getting paid way more than her at the Colosseum...

[PuraVida]

Exactly, covid, her own personal illness, Rob Prinz, Adele getting paid way more than her at the Colosseum...

 

Well, now COVID cancelled Adele's show. The virus itself affecting her crew, and then the supply chains and abilities to rehearse it sounds like. Very familiar to Celine's situation.

 

Except her fans were notified via Adele doing a video message.

Edited January 20, 2022 at 11:33 PM by PuraVida

[nuts2you]

Well, now COVID cancelled Adele's show. The virus itself affecting her crew, and then the supply chains and abilities to rehearse it sounds like. Very familiar to Celine's situation.

 

Except her fans were notified via Adele doing a video message.

 

 

https://lasvegasweekly.com/news/2022/jan/20/adeles-las-vegas-residency-is-set-to-be-something/

[Del]

 

 

 

Well, now COVID cancelled Adele's show. The virus itself affecting her crew, and then the supply chains and abilities to rehearse it sounds like. Very familiar to Celine's situation.

 

Except her fans were notified via Adele doing a video message.

 

Ok, but Céline is experiencing health issues. We can't expect her to be doing a video message to make the announcement. Due to her circumstances a press release was the better option.

 

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[Celinelife]

I really don't get this Adele thing happening. A) why are you comparing her to Celine, Celine is clearly way more advanced, and I'm not just saying it because I'm a Celiniac. adele's music are mostly the same. Forgive me, if I said something wrong, but her 30 album is way more interesting than her last albums which were all same.

[PuraVida]

Ok, but Céline is experiencing health issues. We can't expect her to be doing a video message to make the announcement. Due to her circumstances a press release was the better option.

 

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Did she or did she not film multiple promos for her Resorts World residency?

[jpatdeleon09]

looks like Adele will also reschedule her shows

 

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[couldawouldashoulda]

Did she or did she not film multiple promos for her Resorts World residency?

 

 

Good God, Gurl, Get a Grip! Let it go! You're not going to see you precious Celine for months, possibly another year. Celine does as Celine does. Don't compare her to what other artists are doing. She is her own artist. She is her own self. She does things her own way.

 

Also, Adele canceled THE NIGHT BEFORE THE SHOW. She practically HAD to release a video.

Edited January 21, 2022 at 02:40 PM by couldawouldashoulda

[Del]

 

Did she or did she not film multiple promos for her Resorts World residency?

Of course she did a promotion video in the Spring of 2021. Circumstances were different for Céline in October 2021 and January 2022 when she issued the statements to cancel shows. I don't think you can compare one with the other.

 

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[remykyes]

Add another two to the block list. It's fun getting on the forum and sometimes seeing half a page or more of "This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by -insert name here- View it anyway? I thought we were adults on here, not petulant teenagers. Grow up. Edited January 21, 2022 at 10:32 PM by remykyes

[remykyes]

Can we get a moderator in here? Geesh!

[couldawouldashoulda]

Can we get a moderator in here? Geesh!

 

 

Honey, there hasn't been a moderator on this board for 2 years. It's a free for all.

[Celinelife]

Ah, the humanity

[jpatdeleon09]

“.. i believe that the hotdogs go on..”

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

Hey I have a question for you all: do you also feel that this whole situation is signaling the fact that CELINE COULD BE HEADING TO AN EARLY RETIREMENT?

 

I think she most likely is for the following reasons:

 

1. **& its the most important one** Obviously Celines health problems ARE NOT GETTING BETTER, as now she has decided to CANCEL the remainer of the CWT shows now instead of postponing them again... & the fact that she also CANCELLED the shows of her new Las Vegas residency, again instead of just postponing them & NOT rescheduling new show dates... To me that is an alarm going off!

 

2. The Covid situation is also ALSO NOT GETTING BETTER! & not trying to get "political" or anything like that, it DOES NOT look like there is an end to Covid! We are into the 2 year mark since this pandemic started, & the situation has actually GOTTEN WORSE since 2020, & it is NOT BETTER from when this crap started 2 years ago, even with Covid vaccines, masks, medical care, safety precautions, etc... being available to most people around the world! & the scientists such as Dr. Fauci are now even coming to the conclusion that WE MIGHT HAVE TO JUST "LIVE WITH COVID" JUST LIKE WE DO WITH THE FLU, COMMON COLDS, ETC... as it looks like there is NO WAU to totally get rid of Covid 100%! & I have a feeling aa we are in year 2 of this mess that the scientists just might be right about this... & if we are goung to be stuck with Covid in our luves from now on, & Celine has chosen to stay in hiding with Covid being around, that just also cause her to go into an early retirement as she obviously does not feel safe going on stage, doing interviews, going to recording studios, or just leaving her house in general (as she must not go anywhere pretty much as we have not seen new pictures or new videos or Celine in almost 2 years! The last appearance of Celine was in the "Lady Gaga Home Concert" from 2020 & no sightings of Celine since then!)

 

3. The whole lawsuit thing with Rob Prinz... With this one since we all do not have the full complete information of this situation, we can only speculate on this... But I agree with some of you that maybe that situation with Rob Prinz might also be causing Celine to hesitate very much into going back on stage, recording new albums, etc... because of that darn lawsuit! Again just speculation as none of us has full details of that lawsuit (only small details of that lawsuit from the media are known,) but that could be @ play just as much as situations #1 & #2 are playing...

 

So honestly, what do you all think about this? & it is a VERY GOOD topic to discuss as we will not be seeing or hearing from Celine for who knows how many years from now...

[browseceline]

 

 

Honey, there hasn't been a moderator on this board for 2 years. It's a free for all.

 

Okay that does not mean you can call each other out like this? Fight each other outside the forum I would say instead of being so childish in this thread. In other words - stop it

 

 

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[idroveallnight]

Hey I have a question for you all: do you also feel that this whole situation is signaling the fact that CELINE COULD BE HEADING TO AN EARLY RETIREMENT?

 

I think she most likely is for the following reasons:

 

1. **& its the most important one** Obviously Celines health problems ARE NOT GETTING BETTER, as now she has decided to CANCEL the remainer of the CWT shows now instead of postponing them again... & the fact that she also CANCELLED the shows of her new Las Vegas residency, again instead of just postponing them & NOT rescheduling new show dates... To me that is an alarm going off!

 

2. The Covid situation is also ALSO NOT GETTING BETTER! & not trying to get "political" or anything like that, it DOES NOT look like there is an end to Covid! We are into the 2 year mark since this pandemic started, & the situation has actually GOTTEN WORSE since 2020, & it is NOT BETTER from when this crap started 2 years ago, even with Covid vaccines, masks, medical care, safety precautions, etc... being available to most people around the world! & the scientists such as Dr. Fauci are now even coming to the conclusion that WE MIGHT HAVE TO JUST "LIVE WITH COVID" JUST LIKE WE DO WITH THE FLU, COMMON COLDS, ETC... as it looks like there is NO WAU to totally get rid of Covid 100%! & I have a feeling aa we are in year 2 of this mess that the scientists just might be right about this... & if we are goung to be stuck with Covid in our luves from now on, & Celine has chosen to stay in hiding with Covid being around, that just also cause her to go into an early retirement as she obviously does not feel safe going on stage, doing interviews, going to recording studios, or just leaving her house in general (as she must not go anywhere pretty much as we have not seen new pictures or new videos or Celine in almost 2 years! The last appearance of Celine was in the "Lady Gaga Home Concert" from 2020 & no sightings of Celine since then!)

 

3. The whole lawsuit thing with Rob Prinz... With this one since we all do not have the full complete information of this situation, we can only speculate on this... But I agree with some of you that maybe that situation with Rob Prinz might also be causing Celine to hesitate very much into going back on stage, recording new albums, etc... because of that darn lawsuit! Again just speculation as none of us has full details of that lawsuit (only small details of that lawsuit from the media are known,) but that could be @ play just as much as situations #1 & #2 are playing...

 

So honestly, what do you all think about this? & it is a VERY GOOD topic to discuss as we will not be seeing or hearing from Celine for who knows how many years from now...

 

1. I don't think she will ever fully retire from the spotlight. She loves show business too much and Rene would never have wanted her to stop. I think it's her therapy and comfort zone. Plus, touring is the most successful thing she has got going for her. If people were willing to throw boatloads of money at me to sing the same songs like clockwork, heck yea, I would do it until they told me to stop. We know she has exquisite taste, but I imagine she saves a lot of that money for her kids.

 

2. I agree, she is not going to put herself at risk if she doesn't have to. She hasn't done any plastic surgery to her nose bc she fears what it would do to her voice. We established in point 1 she loves show business, so why would she willingly expose herself to a virus that could hurt her instrument?

 

3. Of course I agree... the Rob Prinz thing has way more to do with this than we think.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Okay that does not mean you can call each other out like this? Fight each other outside the forum I would say instead of being so childish in this thread. In other words - stop it

 

 

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Who exactly do you think you are that you can tell me to stop it. I don't do what you want me to do. You're nothing to me. There's an ignore feature. Use it.