Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[browseceline]

 

 

 

Just because they work doesn't mean other things wouldn't work either. The fact that Celine's given almost nothing back to her fans musically via live tours and promoting the songs on the albums she wants us to buy over the last 20 years since she went to Vegas makes me less and less interested in her career and invested emotionally in her music because I'll never hear it live anyway. Because let's face it, I can check back in 3 years and it will be the same setlist that I've now heard dozens of times for decades. It's great to get that once every now and then reminder for nostalgia, but it's no longer a show I'm going to pay tons and tons to see or feel the need to see multiple times per tour.

 

Other artists I follow not only perform their new music on a regular basis but actively try to change things up even throughout a tour because it's the long-term fans, who have supported your music, merchandise, DVDs, tours, through the good times and bad, that support a career and deserve to hear something other than the same dozen hits for 20 years. While I love Celine's personality and think she's a wonderful person, I don't get that same sense of gratitude or loyalty towards her fans that I get from any other artist I've followed long-term. If anything, she takes us for granted and only caters to the casuals, which is yes, lazy and greedy towards her long-term fans.

 

Listening to Celine today, a casual fan would never know she has one of the most prolific music catalogs of all time. And THAT is a shame for her legacy, even if business-wise she doesn't care and makes the same money.

Amen and this sums everything up as it is - Celine read this please

 

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[LukeD]

Most people aren’t necessarily paying for a ticket to see the Courage World Tour. They bought a ticket to see Celine Dion -- who is a bucket list, once in a lifetime opportunity for most folks. Whether we like it or not, general audiences don't want to hear songs they don't know. They want to have their one shot at hearing Celine's classics with a few fun surprises mixed in. The set list debate boils down to pleasing hardcore fans vs pleasing the masses. Only her biggest fans have followed her every move & have grown tired of a lot of these songs. But the vast majority of concert goers will be incredibly happy with the set list as is.

 

I am not sure why you and all those who liked your post find it hard to realize that Celine can perform ALL her hits and keep the general audience happy, and at the same time properly support her new album. You say the general audience does not want to hear songs they do not know - she should then remove You Are The Voice, Tous Les Blues, and the French version of Lady Marmalade. The general public should be more familiar with Flying On My Own and Lying Down - both of which have been released as singles.

 

All I am trying to say is that she can please BOTH the general audience and her hardcore fans. I also do not care about what most people do. I am talking about myself. I paid a ticket to attend a concert series named Courage World Tour. If Celine wants to sing her classic songs and a bunch of random covers - which has been the case for years now - she should then rename the tour to Celine Dion Live 2019. It is simple as. And I am sure the vast majority of people should expect songs from the Courage album to be performed in the Courage World Tour. This has been the case with the Taking Chances World Tour anyway.

[sarit_celine]

I think its naive to ignore the factors I mentioned. For example, it might have cost a million dollars alone to BOOK Celine nevermind anything else (as articles before this year when they discussed getting Celine to Israel), hence WHY its so expensive. Celine, the band, the crews, the transporters, the promoter, the local authority who owns the venue... all these people need paid. So either; they get paid with "expensive" ticket prices or they dont get paid and the promoter, celine and everyone loses huge amounts of money and goes into debt... is that what you want?

 

Sorry Adrienne, at the moment I'm pissed up the roof for all what they did with the presale here.

Why can't you accept they are being greedy and it gets worst year by year, I'm not the only one

to say this, just seeing sad reality as it is.

 

Me and my ruined, long life dream will take some break from this board for now. Best.

[LukeD]

Is there one person to tell me that the general audience and fans would not be happy with this set-list? The order can change - but look at the songs included! 13 Hits & 8 from Courage.

 

01.It Is All Coming Back To Me Now

 

02.Because You Loved Me

 

03.To Love You More

 

04.The Power Of Love

 

05.If You Asked Me To

 

06.Beauty And The Beast

 

07.The Prayer

 

08.Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore

 

09.That's The Way It Is

 

10.A New Day Has Come

 

11.I Am Alive

 

12.I Drove All Night

 

13.Lying Down

 

14.All By Myself

 

15.For The Lover That I Lost

 

16.Courage

 

17.Imperfections

 

18.Change My Mind

 

19.Flying On My Own / Baby / Nobody Is Watching / Love Can Move Mountains

 

20.My Heart Will Go On

Edited November 20, 2019 at 10:04 PM by LukeD

[mirage]

It's so funny many of you just keep saying that the setlist is for the regular fans who want to hear the hits.

She can still do 6-7 of them and the rest ALL courage and a few oldies.

 

And what bothers me the most.

 

She is tired of singing them, ALL of them.

 

Only she tells herself she gets energy out of them because of the reaction of the audience.

 

She keeps telling us that she in charge now, so goes to meetings, she has ideas for the show.

And yet we get the same old.

 

In this small snippet you can hear her say she is tired of all the old songs. And yet some people in her team are not listening to her and convince her to do the songs.

 

I have a feeling that there are still a few René minded people in that team that musically keep her in the 90's. (setlist wise, production wise)

 

Keep in mind that the 2016 tour was made with Aldo, and the preparations of the 2017 tour were also made when he was the manager.

 

Since Dave Platel and Denis Savage are her 'managers' now, musically we went back to the old times.

 

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[mirage]

Still way to many same old.

UNLESS she does IACBTMN TPOL BYLM 'live' or new playback and in full instead of these shortened version we have these days. It would have been much better.

 

Still this one would please us all, and surprise the regulars as well.

 

 

 

01. Flying On My Own

02. I Drove All Night

03. I'm Alive

04. If You Asked Me To

05. The Power of Love

06. Falling In Love Again

07. It's All Coming Back To Me Now

08. Water From The Moon

09. Acoustic Medley (Stand By Your Side/Didn't Know Love/In Some Small Way

10. Then You Look At Me

11. Only One Road

12. Courage

13. I Surrender

14. Lying Down

15. Change My Mind

16. I Feel Too Much

17. Dance Medley (Misled/Reveal/Somebody Loves Somebody/Unison)

18. Perfect Goodbye

19. Because You Loved Me

20. My Heart Will Go On

21. Boundaries

 

 

 

Is there one person to tell me that the general audience and fans would not be happy with this set-list? The order can change - but look at the songs included! 13 Hits & 8 from Courage.

 

01.It Is All Coming Back To Me Now

 

02.Because You Loved Me

 

03.To Love You More

 

04.The Power Of Love

 

05.If You Asked Me To

 

06.Beauty And The Beast

 

07.The Prayer

 

08.Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore

 

09.That's The Way It Is

 

10.A New Day Has Come

 

11.I Am Alive

 

12.I Drove All Night

 

13.Lying Down

 

14.All By Myself

 

15.For The Lover That I Lost

 

16.Courage

 

17.Imperfections

 

18.Change My Mind

 

19.Flying On My Own / Baby / Nobody Is Watching / Love Can Move Mountains

 

20.My Heart Will Go On

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Sorry Adrienne, at the moment I'm pissed up the roof for all what they did with the presale here.

Why can't you accept they are being greedy and it gets worst year by year, I'm not the only one

to say this, just seeing sad reality as it is.

 

Me and my ruined, long life dream will take some break from this board for now. Best.

 

Huh? Ummm okay

 

I simply pointed out facts about the music touring industry and compared with other singers of her caliber, simply stating facts when you made comments on “evil” prices... but if thats how you feel i guess

[LukeD]

Still way to many same old.

UNLESS she does IACBTMN TPOL BYLM 'live' or new playback and in full instead of these shortened version we have these days. It would have been much better.

 

Still this one would please us all, and surprise the regulars as well.

 

I know all this is theorizing but your set-list includes way too many unknown/obscure songs. Clearly leans towards pleasing hardcore fans. It is not bad by any means though. Edited November 20, 2019 at 10:17 PM by LukeD

[québecflower]

Is there one person to tell me that the general audience and fans would not be happy with this set-list? The order can change - but look at the songs included! 13 Hits & 8 from Courage.

 

01.It Is All Coming Back To Me Now

 

02.Because You Loved Me

 

03.To Love You More

 

04.The Power Of Love

 

05.If You Asked Me To

 

06.Beauty And The Beast

 

07.The Prayer

 

08.Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore

 

09.That's The Way It Is

 

10.A New Day Has Come

 

11.I Am Alive

 

12.I Drove All Night

 

13.Lying Down

 

14.All By Myself

 

15.For The Lover That I Lost

 

16.Courage

 

17.Imperfections

 

18.Change My Mind

 

19.Flying On My Own / Baby / Nobody Is Watching / Love Can Move Mountains

 

20.My Heart Will Go On

why Love can move mountains? you love it that much?

[LukeD]

why Love can move mountains? you love it that much?

Of course not.

 

But it is a tour standard and I suppose the general audience likes it? I consider it a hit song since Celine has been shoving it down our throats for like 30 years now.

[browseceline]

Of course not.

 

But it is a tour standard and I suppose the general audience likes it? I consider it a hit song since Celine has been shoving it down our throats for like 30 years now.

Who knows they proof us wrong and in Europe the setlist really changes?

 

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[mirage]

Well the 6 biggest hits are in there

That's enough for me haha

 

And about the unknown songs you are right, but sometimes people need to be taught there is more than just the hits.

 

Example the 2013 medley at Une Seule Fois, all oldies but the audience loved it.

 

Sometimes she needs to believe in her own (older) songs and make the audience love it.

If the performance and the song are good people will love it eventually

 

I know all this is theorizing but your set-list includes way too many unknown/obscure songs. Clearly leans towards pleasing hardcore fans. It is not bad by any means though.

[JulienMcbeal]

Imagine repeating something that works.

The foolishness.

You'd almost think she's...running a business?

 

Yes. But wasn't she supposed to be an Artist, too?

[JulienMcbeal]

Or do we have to pay for her expensive designer clothes?

 

Well, her money comes from our pockets...

[Xpresso]

Ok all of you who don't like the set list and want changes, please click "Like This."

 

Now, can we move on from the set list?

[JulienMcbeal]

No we cannot!

Some want PMLALS, we want new setlist!

[scielle]

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I know it's your night off 'n' all, but Celine! Why aren't you at the game?!

[rhapsodion]

I checked out the western Canada and USA shows couple weeks ago, and plenty of tickets are still available.

[scielle]

Oh, Celine...

 

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[MLowery855]

My ideal set list:

 

1. Misled

2. Colour Of My Love

3. Courage

4. A Song For You (cover - Leon Russell)

5. Imperfections

6. Lying Down

7. Ashes

8. How Does A Moment Last Forever

9. If You Asked Me To

10. Let’s Dance (cover - David Bowie - full song)

11. For The Lover That I Lost

12. The Chase

13. Et Je T’aime Encore

14. Love Of My Life (cover - Queen)

15. Water From The Moon

16. Hymne a L’amour (cover - Edith Piaf)

17. Open Arms (cover - Journey)

18. Flying On My Own

19. The Hard Way

20. Think Twice

Encore - Somewhere Over The Rainbow

 

I would be - as she would say - “more than thrilled” to never hear ABM, TPOL, BYLM, IACBTMN, BATB, MHWGO, LCMM, RDMH.. ever again for the rest of her career.

 

Of course like all our dream set lists this is a pipe dream but everyone else was doing it!

[jpatdeleon09]

Maybe that’s why the album should come out first before touring so... if they’re planning to do a tour and make a setlist they will now pick songs from the new album more like they did back in Taking Chances World Tour not with the fixed setlist like the current one

[CelinesDIVO5]

why Love can move mountains? you love it that much?

 

I actually love the song. I just wish she would actually sing it, instead of speed talking and ad-libbing the whole thing.

[smw]

 

 

I actually love the song. I just wish she would actually sing it, instead of speed talking and ad-libbing the whole thing.

 

Agreed.

LCMM is one of her most iconic, signature songs.

[Kian]

Maybe that’s why the album should come out first before touring so... if they’re planning to do a tour and make a setlist they will now pick songs from the new album more like they did back in Taking Chances World Tour not with the fixed setlist like the current one

 

I don't think it would make any difference. She had 4 songs released when the tour began, and she performed only 2 and a half, and now... we're still on 2 and even if we get any new song it will only probably replace the other new song so it doesn't move up from 2 songs per night. But hey, 2 new songs is enough, right? It's not like the name of the tour is Courage World Tour. Oh wait... I would like to hope she will add more songs in Europe but I'm afraid I'll only end up disappointed again.

 

It breaks my heart as a fan to know she will never perform 90% of songs from the new album. Especially because it's such an amazing album and I like almost every song. It gives me goosebumps just to imagine her performing Change My Mind, Heart of Glass, The Chase, Nobody's Watching, The Hard Way, Perfect Goodbye, Look At Us Now... What a concert that would be. She could easily perform 10 songs from Courage and still there would be 10 empty spots for all the hits. I don't even mind You're the Voice cause she obviously likes it so much and it works seeing it live but that covers medley and ending the show with Imagine is in my opinion the worst last segment on any tour she ever had.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I don't think it would make any difference. She had 4 songs released when the tour began, and she performed only 2 and a half, and now... we're still on 2 and even if we get any new song it will only probably replace the other new song so it doesn't move up from 2 songs per night. But hey, 2 new songs is enough, right? It's not like the name of the tour is Courage World Tour. Oh wait... I would like to hope she will add more songs in Europe but I'm afraid I'll only end up disappointed again.

 

It breaks my heart as a fan to know she will never perform 90% of songs from the new album. Especially because it's such an amazing album and I like almost every song. It gives me goosebumps just to imagine her performing Change My Mind, Heart of Glass, The Chase, Nobody's Watching, The Hard Way, Perfect Goodbye, Look At Us Now... What a concert that would be. She could easily perform 10 songs from Courage and still there would be 10 empty spots for all the hits. I don't even mind You're the Voice cause she obviously likes it so much and it works seeing it live but that covers medley and ending the show with Imagine is in my opinion the worst last segment on any tour she ever had.

 

We don’t know that.. but if they released the album first before touring.. i think it would make a difference. They can’t just include songs without releasing it on public. That’s why on movie soundtracks they release it first before showing the movie to the public so they will know it.

 

So, what we have now is the fixed setlist. They already made visuals for certain songs like “You’re The Voice”, etc.

 

Look at the visuals for Imperfections, it looks rushed. They now include that because they now know that people liked it. So, they should release the album first so they will know what the public wants and they can include that.

 

Lying Down and Courage was the first one to be included from the setlist maybe because i think it has more views than Imperfections before.. now, Imperfection is getting a lot more views and they loved it.

 

Also, Of course Courage will be included it’s the title of the Tour lol

 

 

I hope with her next album, release the album first then, after 3-4 months start the tour like they did back in TC era

Edited November 21, 2019 at 10:10 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Tom_London_Fan]

Got to admit having ‘Imagine’ as the encore is so tame and predictable. I don’t want to be called one of the “moaners” but if this set list doesn’t evolve for the better, my excitement levels for next Summer will start to plummet. The visuals are incredible, Celine is incredible...the set list 🙄

[jpatdeleon09]

What songs you think she’s comfortable to sing Live in the new album (except for the 3 songs that were released earlier)?

 

Me.. i think

 

- Perfect Goodbye

- Falling In Love Again

- The Chase

- I Will Be Stronger

- Nobody’s Watching

- Best Of All

 

What i want to hear her sing in Live

 

- How Did You Get Here (I think this will be fun)

- Look At Us Now

- Boundaries

- The Hard Way (It’s ok to have pre recorded parts)

- Perfect Goodbye (E)

Edited November 21, 2019 at 10:18 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Celine Fan 77]

What songs you think she’s comfortable to sing Live in the new album (except for the 3 songs that were released earlier)?

 

I think Perfect Goodbye would make the best ending to the show. I can totally see her singing it wearing that gorgeous white dress. The only issue would be the sh*t word but hey, she sings it on the album, so why not live?

[Céline RO]

I think Perfect Goodbye would make the best ending to the show. I can totally see her singing it wearing that gorgeous white dress. The only issue would be the sh*t word but hey, she sings it on the album, so why not live?

 

I think "Courage" would be by far the best ending. It's slow, works in an intimate set and would also sum up the whole show nicely. I think some of the songs on the setlist are placed in very strange sets.

 

I also think "Flying on My Own" would be the best opening as it's uptempo, fresh and new. If they would do this they would begin and end the show with new songs.

Edited November 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM by Céline RO

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I think Perfect Goodbye would make the best ending to the show. I can totally see her singing it wearing that gorgeous white dress. The only issue would be the sh*t word but hey, she sings it on the album, so why not live?

 

Yeah! Remove “Imagine” replace it with “Perfect Goodbye”. I LOVE THAT