Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[CSCfan]

You act like "the band" for any of these major artists aren't professional musicians themselves. Plenty of artists and their bands improvise random songs in their shows ALL the time. Adding a new Celine song to the repertoire should have been required background knowledge for them already.

 

Exactly. Scott and the band can learn and play it in a heartbeat, of course, he needs more time to create a good live arrangement for a song they've never done live before, but it's not as they don't have a lot of breaks in between and that the tour is almost ending. There's plenty of time. Same goes for Céline... especially these days she reads her lyrics from the autoprompter and there's hardly any choreography.

 

Plus you can't tell me she has 20 new songs and they only rehearsed 4....

 

I really want and need those changes.

Just that I'm not sure it is a start. I mean, her last mini tours exploded her last records.The attendance is still increasing. 89% with this income is it really a start ? At the end it looks that this Tour will be more successfull than Taking chances too. So... And I read here people saying strongly that her Tour promoter are incompetent, there should have been one night only it was way too much.

People, we're talking about 2 nights at 90%, is it really shameful, and that worst than one night at 100 % ? Did they do a mistake in term of income strategy and image?

 

Of course it's more "succesful"... the prices are way higher and she's doing more shows. She'll probably even beat Madonna and will be #1 by the time the tour ends. But for the fans, the tour (until now) has been a big disappointment.

 

The promotor isn't incompetent, they're just greedy.

[Ajax]

Ok than let s say it’s a start as a major disappointment for the fans from the set list aspect. Sure it is.

Just That I don’t see the connection with the Ottawa numbers.

[JulienMcbeal]

 

Its a cool idea, but I don't think its as simple as just 'adding songs' to the setlist. They need rehearsals and rearranging of the whole set in general. So even if these songs were presented to the team, it would require time from not only Celine, but the Band etc for rehearsals. It would take some time for them to get added in.

Well, there's 4 settings and instrumentations already done. Ready to use: FOMO, LD, Courage and Imperfections.

Let's use them all, that'd be a very easy change to make while a tremendous improvement.

 

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[Ajax]

Well, there's 4 settings and instrumentations already done. Ready to use: FOMO, LD, Courage and Imperfections.

Let's use them all, that'd be a very easy change to make while a tremendous improvement.

 

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Yeah, like just that to begin with. That would still be a huge progress.

[CelineTheBest5]

Ok than let s say it's a start as a major disappointment for the fans from the set list aspect. Sure it is.

Just That I don't see the connection with the Ottawa numbers.

Because there is not. Sometimes I cant believe what I read it......

(80% ,90%) most of people who are going to see her concerts are not huge fans who see everything she does and launch, they wanna listen to hits, they dont care if she will sing 2,3,4 new songs, actually they dont even know these new songs.......

Not all of the concerts of this tour will sold out because of the many numbers of the concerts, its too much, many of them in so close cities, there is no demand for it. There is nothing to do with concert tracklist.

If it was only 1 concert in Ottawa and it was 100% sold out nobody would say it was because the tracklist was perfect.

Edited November 20, 2019 at 06:57 PM by CelineTheBest5

[cdfan32]

Not all of the concerts of this tour will sold out because of the many numbers of the concerts, its too much, many of them in so close cities, there is no demand for it. There is nothing to do with concert tracklist.

 

Not all of the concerts selling out when prices are reasonable is BECAUSE of the setlist. Most artists who sell out a ton of dates are due to repeat visits from hardcore fans. The long term fans who will pay a lot to see a different show at a later date or location on the tour also because there's a few new songs every now and then. It's literally the MO of most other major touring artists. It's the reason Taylor Swift has a surprise guest on every few dates of her tours to sing a new song and an acoustic song where it's different EVERY night.

 

Now, I'm not saying that she needs to sing a new song every night or bring in guests to sing with her (actually I wouldn't want that because for Celine, I go because of HER voice), but you have to give long-term fans a reason to pay for the same show for the dozenth or more time with the SAME SETLIST over the last 20 years. This is basic common sense.

 

Often artists who have multiple shows in a row in the same city is because the same fans get a chance to go more than once. Clearly, many don't feel the need to do that here.

Edited November 20, 2019 at 07:03 PM by cdfan32

[Lu CelineFan]

Not all of the concerts selling out when prices are reasonable is BECAUSE of the setlist. Most artists who sell out a ton of dates are due to repeat visits from hardcore fans. The long term fans who will pay a lot to see a different show at a later date or location on the tour also because there's a few new songs every now and then. It's literally the MO of most other major touring artists. It's the reason Taylor Swift has a surprise guest on every few dates of her tours to sing a new song and an acoustic song where it's different EVERY night.

 

Now, I'm not saying that she needs to sing a new song every night or bring in guests to sing with her (actually I wouldn't want that because for Celine, I go because of HER voice), but you have to give long-term fans a reason to pay for the same show for the dozenth or more time with the SAME SETLIST over the last 20 years. This is basic common sense.

 

Often artists who have multiple shows in a row in the same city is because the same fans get a chance to go more than once. Clearly, many don't feel the need to do that here.

 

The prices are not reasenable. They are ridicilous high. If you read twitter will see people complaining about prices. I have fan friends from all over the world all they say the prices are very high. In fact Celine has one of the most expensive tickets among all the artits in the world.

 

The fans arent going two concerts in a row not because of the tracklist but because of the prices.

Edited November 20, 2019 at 07:11 PM by Lu CelineFan

[cdfan32]

The prices are not reasenable. They are ridicilous high. If you read twitter will see people complaining about prices. I have fan friends from all over the world all they say the prices are very high. In fact Celine has one of the most expensive tickets among all the artits in the world.

 

The fans arent going two concerts in a row not because of the tracklist but because of the prices.

 

We'll have to disagree, but her front row tickets are comparable with her peers while all the rest of the seats in the place are far cheaper. I feel for those who live in parts of the world who can't afford it, but it's the same situation with every major touring act these days. In general, her tickets are far more accessible than many as long as you buy quickly enough because those same reasonably priced tickets sold out immediately and got marked up by scalpers.

Edited November 20, 2019 at 07:21 PM by cdfan32

[Lu CelineFan]

We'll have to disagree, but her front row tickets are comparable with her peers while all the rest of the seats in the place are far cheaper. I feel for those who live in parts of the world who can't afford it, but it's the same situation with every major touring act these days. In general, her tickets are far more accessible than many as long as you buy quickly enough because those same reasonably priced tickets sold out immediately and got marked up by scalpers.

 

Oh sorry rich girl from a rich country.

 

But last tour on Montreal, 2016, front row was CAN400 (I've paid that). Now front row is CAN800 or even more.

[artistman2007]

 

 

 

please no more LCMM

Edited November 20, 2019 at 07:34 PM by artistman2007

[artistman2007]

 

 

 

please no more LCMM

u know what I’m in for that ,boring boring show the one she’s doing right now Edited November 20, 2019 at 07:32 PM by artistman2007

[browseceline]

It is a shame she is always serving the same. In fact I feel I get less interest listening to the new album now she does not do any effort to stand for those beautiful tracks. I feel, again, she does not give them enough interest. A shame because these are the moments she can present new stuff and not forever be known as that balladsinger from the 90s. This Celinessance not only is about wearing expensive designer clothes but should also mean getting rid of her Vegas setlists and experiment with totally new music.. And since this album does do so well - do that! So what all those general fans do not like them? It is because you always want to please everybody. That time has been, in Vegas and previous tours. Enough of those chances. Now really sing what you want to sing and sing many tracks from this gorgeous album! Be proud and courageous!

 

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Edited November 20, 2019 at 07:48 PM by browseceline

[Ajax]

 

 

We'll have to disagree, but her front row tickets are comparable with her peers while all the rest of the seats in the place are far cheaper. I feel for those who live in parts of the world who can't afford it, but it's the same situation with every major touring act these days. In general, her tickets are far more accessible than many as long as you buy quickly enough because those same reasonably priced tickets sold out immediately and got marked up by scalpers.

 

Well you re maybe right but as it is the first time I read that most of her tickets are cheaper than any other iconic acts do you have numbers to illustrate that ? I mean let s compare with Madonna, Elton John, U2, Adele..

Edited November 20, 2019 at 07:44 PM by Ajax

[sarit_celine]

Oh sorry rich girl from a rich country.

 

But last tour on Montreal, 2016, front row was CAN400 (I've paid that). Now front row is CAN800 or even more.

 

Most of us not that rich either, here they decided to rob us in daylight as well, for her first show ever, while Lara Fabian

and so many other artists never took those prices (!!!) Now the promoters of show having hard time to sell it out.

 

I have my limits, but yes, I'm heartbroken for that (still and guess will be for a long time more).

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Most of us not that rich either, here they decided to rob us in daylight as well, for her first show ever, while Lara Fabian

and so many other artists never took those prices (!!!) Now the promoters of show having hard time to sell it out.

 

I have my limits, but yes, I'm heartbroken for that (still and guess will be for a long time more).

 

I mean if Lara Fabian had Celines worldwide fame and legendary status, trust and believe she would be charging celines prices

[sarit_celine]

I mean if Lara Fabian had Celines worldwide fame and legendary status, trust and believe she would be charging celines prices

 

Enrique I is no less famous than Celine and he doesn't take those prices when he comes here (Let's say he kept having hits here

long time after, since Celine had a hit over here, and that has been ages ago which it's pity) and the list goes on.

 

And yes, you're correct about Lara, but it's ethically wrong to abuse our love and apperciation, and loyalty.

For the next Tour I will try to see if some fans will give a hand in order to do something about it.

 

I call it nothing but to be highly greedy, that's what it is. If shows don't sell well (for Celine) they are cutting prices down and we're talking on first rows as well in some cases). I'm not sure that will be the case for her shows here, maybe only for the poor seats

where you can't see nothing but that proves the abuse.

 

That just a sad reality for many other hardcore fans of her.

[sarit_celine]

The prices in France seemed to be less expensive but Ticketmaster blocked me right away

so I never had any chance to find something decent.

Wonder though what were the prices for the first rows there.

[cdfan32]

Well you re maybe right but as it is the first time I read that most of her tickets are cheaper than any other iconic acts do you have numbers to illustrate that ? I mean let s compare with Madonna, Elton John, U2, Adele..

 

Male artists aren't comparable because most nostalgia rock acts (and even Elton John), people go for the atmosphere. It can be in a stadium with cheap average pricing but the volume will make up for the revenue because people don't care about visuals, seeing the artist up close, or even the sound that much.

 

For female pop artists, a quick google search turns up:

 

Adele:

Adele barely tours and isn't likely to tour again any time soon (actually she said she might never tour again after her last tour).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markbeech/2017/06/14/adele-beats-taylor-swift-lady-gaga-as-most-expensive-fan-ticket-tickpick-says/

Jun 14, 2017 - Adele fans are prepared to pay an average of nearly $395.79 for tickets to her shows, the statistics say, based the online marketplace's data on events from 2013 to date. Adele's nearest rival is Swift, on $236.65 - some $160 a ticket behind.

But price doesn't matter because I wasn't able to get a ticket to Adele's concert anyway on the primary market (probably the only artist that happened).

 

Taylor Swift:

https://seatgeek.com/tba/music/taylor-swift-reputation-tour/

The average price for a ticket to a show during Taylor Swift's Reputation tour is currently $279. May 24, 2018

But this doesn't really matter either because it's a stadium tour, and the prices were nearly uniformly expensive aside from a VERY few nosebleeds and the front rows. The front rows were cheaper than Celine's because she isn't as established an act and the view is far worse being in a stadium with raised stage, but overall the show was much less affordable for the average attendee for the seat you got. This was the same with her 1989 tour, but the Reputation tour cost more despite being in larger venues.

 

Madonna:

https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2019/09/16/latest-tour-madonna-wants-less

Madame X tickets average about $300, up from about $160 for Madonna's last tour. Sep 16, 2019

This is also a bit misleading because while there are a very few nosebleeds and some discounted tickets later, the entire orchestra section, front mezzanine, front balcony in a theater was $400-750+ in most markets. Unless you live in a city of the residency and are willing to gamble on last minute tickets being put out at face value, it's not going to be very affordable to go either. As for the previous hit tours in arenas/stadiums, Madonna's toured most of the world more than most major artists her age (every 3-4 years for the last 20 years) so the casual market is pretty saturated.

 

Celine:

https://seatgeek.com/celine-dion-tickets

On average, a ticket to see Celine Dion in concert costs $230. However, ticket prices are subject to change and may vary based on the concert location, day of week, size of venue, and more. Prices may also differ city to city. For example, tickets to see Celine Dion in Las Vegas typically cost $232, but this may not be the case for fans in another city.

 

Now I'm not saying Celine's prices have never increased (I fully remember paying ~$200 for front rows in the early Vegas shows), but overall the inflation has been far less. I was also able to find affordable (sub-$150) tickets in many markets for decent seats (all but the very front rows). That never happened for any of the other above artists in the places I looked. They are certainly not FREE, and I'm not saying that at all. Just relative to other female artists, she's definitely much more accessible and has far more dates this time than most.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Enrique I is no less famous than Celine and he doesn't take those prices when he comes here (Let's say he kept having hits here

long time after, since Celine had a hit over here, and that has been ages ago which it's pity) and the list goes on.

 

And yes, you're correct about Lara, but it's ethically wrong to abuse our love and apperciation, and loyalty.

For the next Tour I will try to see if some fans will give a hand in order to do something about it.

 

I call it nothing but to be highly greedy, that's what it is. If shows don't sell well (for Celine) they are cutting prices down and we're talking on first rows as well in some cases). I'm not sure that will be the case for her shows here, maybe only for the poor seats

where you can't see nothing but that proves the abuse.

 

That just a sad reality for many other hardcore fans of her.

 

A concert costs more than you would think. You are already hundreds of thousands of dollars for transporting, setting up and organising the event. Probably another hundred thousand for band wages, another hundred thousand for wages of other workers in celines entourage and then, on top of that, Celines fee of *at least* $400-500,000 per show. AND promoter fee. All that into account will probably come to a million dollars per show, the rest is excess gross. So to gross at least one million, they need to make ticket prices according, these can change based on venue size, venue type and city also, a venue with 40,000 will charge less as its easier to get to a million where as a venue with 12,000 needs to be more expensive. You will also find places where she’s performing more than 2 shows are cheaper than other places, more seats available, less demand. Madonna, Barbra (whos prices are far worse than Celines), Ariana, Elton, Taylor, Cher... hell almost any Vegas residency show from Gaga, Aerosmith, Xtina... hell even Mariah... all equal to or more expensive than Celine is. Infact, most of the “WTF THATS SO EXPENSIVE” is related to Celines VIP packages or ticketmasters platinum system (which has nothing to do with celine or her team)... regardless

[browseceline]

 

Male artists aren't comparable because most nostalgia rock acts (and even Elton John), people go for the atmosphere. It can be in a stadium with cheap average pricing but the volume will make up for the revenue because people don't care about visuals, seeing the artist up close, or even the sound that much.

 

For female pop artists, a quick google search turns up:

 

Adele:

Adele barely tours and isn't likely to tour again any time soon (actually she said she might never tour again after her last tour).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markbeech/2017/06/14/adele-beats-taylor-swift-lady-gaga-as-most-expensive-fan-ticket-tickpick-says/

Jun 14, 2017 - Adele fans are prepared to pay an average of nearly $395.79 for tickets to her shows, the statistics say, based the online marketplace's data on events from 2013 to date. Adele's nearest rival is Swift, on $236.65 - some $160 a ticket behind.

But price doesn't matter because I wasn't able to get a ticket to Adele's concert anyway on the primary market (probably the only artist that happened).

 

Taylor Swift:

https://seatgeek.com/tba/music/taylor-swift-reputation-tour/

The average price for a ticket to a show during Taylor Swift's Reputation tour is currently $279. May 24, 2018

But this doesn't really matter either because it's a stadium tour, and the prices were nearly uniformly expensive aside from a VERY few nosebleeds and the front rows. The front rows were cheaper than Celine's because she isn't as established an act and the view is far worse being in a stadium with raised stage, but overall the show was much less affordable for the average attendee for the seat you got. This was the same with her 1989 tour, but the Reputation tour cost more despite being in larger venues.

 

Madonna:

https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2019/09/16/latest-tour-madonna-wants-less

Madame X tickets average about $300, up from about $160 for Madonna's last tour. Sep 16, 2019

This is also a bit misleading because while there are a very few nosebleeds and some discounted tickets later, the entire orchestra section, front mezzanine, front balcony in a theater was $400-750+ in most markets. Unless you live in a city of the residency and are willing to gamble on last minute tickets being put out at face value, it's not going to be very affordable to go either. As for the previous hit tours in arenas/stadiums, Madonna's toured most of the world more than most major artists her age (every 3-4 years for the last 20 years) so the casual market is pretty saturated.

 

Celine:

https://seatgeek.com/celine-dion-tickets

On average, a ticket to see Celine Dion in concert costs $230. However, ticket prices are subject to change and may vary based on the concert location, day of week, size of venue, and more. Prices may also differ city to city. For example, tickets to see Celine Dion in Las Vegas typically cost $232, but this may not be the case for fans in another city.

 

Now I'm not saying Celine's prices have never increased (I fully remember paying ~$200 for front rows in the early Vegas shows), but overall the inflation has been far less. I was also able to find affordable (sub-$150) tickets in many markets for decent seats (all but the very front rows). That never happened for any of the other above artists in the places I looked. They are certainly not FREE, and I'm not saying that at all. Just relative to other female artists, she's definitely much more accessible and has far more dates this time than most.

Yes they have increased! Here in holland prices are increased since her last concert and even then people thought her ticketprices were extreme. But now the 7th until 20th row 211 euros! I mean come on, one night to a concert paying that much? Ridiculous and for some big fans too much. And if that prices were justified okay but giving the almost same show again? Or do we have to pay for her expensive designer clothes?

 

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[Dancing_Queen]

Her concert reviews are the best they've ever been.

The crowd goes wild every night.

 

What "truth" is her Team supposed to dish out, pray tell?

 

"Boss, we really need to change the setlist. The forum really hates it."

 

 

 

[sarit_celine]

Yes they have increased! Here in holland prices are increased since her last concert and even then people thought her ticketprices were extreme. But now the 7th until 20th row 211 euros! I mean come on, one night to a concert paying that much? Ridiculous and for some big fans too much. And if that prices were justified okay but giving the almost same show again? Or do we have to pay for her expensive designer clothes?

 

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Also for a show with the same setlist this price comes out of greediness.

[browseceline]

Her concert reviews are the best they've ever been.

The crowd goes wild every night.

 

What "truth" is her Team supposed to dish out, pray tell?

 

"Boss, we really need to change the setlist. The forum really hates it."

It is because these songs always work.. They did in vegas so of course now they do again. Nothing new but it works

 

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[Dancing_Queen]

It is because these songs always work.. They did in vegas so of course now they do again. Nothing new but it works

 

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Imagine repeating something that works.

The foolishness.

You'd almost think she's...running a business?

[Ajax]

 

 

Enrique I is no less famous than Celine and he doesn't take those prices when he comes here

 

Hum you re not serious.

[sarit_celine]

A concert costs more than you would think. You are already hundreds of thousands of dollars for transporting, setting up and organising the event. Probably another hundred thousand for band wages, another hundred thousand for wages of other workers in celines entourage and then, on top of that, Celines fee of *at least* $400-500,000 per show. AND promoter fee. All that into account will probably come to a million dollars per show, the rest is excess gross. So to gross at least one million, they need to make ticket prices according, these can change based on venue size, venue type and city also, a venue with 40,000 will charge less as its easier to get to a million where as a venue with 12,000 needs to be more expensive. You will also find places where she's performing more than 2 shows are cheaper than other places, more seats available, less demand. Madonna, Barbra (whos prices are far worse than Celines), Ariana, Elton, Taylor, Cher... hell almost any Vegas residency show from Gaga, Aerosmith, Xtina... hell even Mariah... all equal to or more expensive than Celine is. Infact, most of the "WTF THATS SO EXPENSIVE" is related to Celines VIP packages or ticketmasters platinum system (which has nothing to do with celine or her team)... regardless

 

The promoter of the shows of Celine here, never explain the reason for those expensive tickets and he has a very good

reason why not to do it

 

The promoters can tell many stories, in the end of the day, they will take the max prices for what they can JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN

and don't give a single D toward fans, I hope at least we agree about that, and as long as there are fans who are willing to pay those prices, situation will get worst and worst

and hey it gets.

 

Here, the other seats which weren't VIP were still quite expensive and that has nothing to do with Ticketmaster

it has to do with robbery in daylight once again, while it's true that also them join in the party

whenever they can in order to rob those fans that come from aboard to a certain country.

 

We have more power in our hands (and pockets )

than we think in order to change this sick evil reality, we're being taken for fools (sorry!)

and even a small change will be something meaningful.

They want us to think this is just the way things go, but nop, anything can be changed I have no doubt

and one day it will.

[sarit_celine]

Hum you re not serious.

 

What do you mean? that he is not famous as her?

[cdfan32]

Also for a show with the same setlist this price comes out of greediness.

It is because these songs always work.. They did in vegas so of course now they do again. Nothing new but it works

 

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Imagine repeating something that works.

The foolishness.

You'd almost think she's...running a business?

 

Just because they work doesn't mean other things wouldn't work either. The fact that Celine's given almost nothing back to her fans musically via live tours and promoting the songs on the albums she wants us to buy over the last 20 years since she went to Vegas makes me less and less interested in her career and invested emotionally in her music because I'll never hear it live anyway. Because let's face it, I can check back in 3 years and it will be the same setlist that I've now heard dozens of times for decades. It's great to get that once every now and then reminder for nostalgia, but it's no longer a show I'm going to pay tons and tons to see or feel the need to see multiple times per tour.

 

Other artists I follow not only perform their new music on a regular basis but actively try to change things up even throughout a tour because it's the long-term fans, who have supported your music, merchandise, DVDs, tours, through the good times and bad, that support a career and deserve to hear something other than the same dozen hits for 20 years. While I love Celine's personality and think she's a wonderful person, I don't get that same sense of gratitude or loyalty towards her fans that I get from any other artist I've followed long-term. If anything, she takes us for granted and only caters to the casuals, which is yes, lazy and greedy towards her long-term fans.

 

Listening to Celine today, a casual fan would never know she has one of the most prolific music catalogs of all time. And THAT is a shame for her legacy, even if business-wise she doesn't care and makes the same money.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

The promoter of the shows of Celine here, never explain the reason for those expensive tickets and he has a very good

reason why not to do it

 

The promoters can tell many stories, in the end of the day, they will take the max prices for what they can JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN

and don't give a single D toward fans, I hope at least we agree about that, and as long as there are fans who are willing to pay those prices, situation will get worst and worst

and hey it gets.

 

Here, the other seats which weren't VIP were still quite expensive and that has nothing to do with Ticketmaster

it has to do with robbery in daylight once again, while it's true that also them join in the party

whenever they can in order to rob those fans that come from aboard to a certain country.

 

We have more power in our hands (and pockets )

than we think in order to change this sick evil reality, we're being taken for fools (sorry!)

and even a small change will be something meaningful.

They want us to think this is just the way things go, but nop, anything can be changed I have no doubt

and one day it will.

 

I think its naive to ignore the factors I mentioned. For example, it might have cost a million dollars alone to BOOK Celine nevermind anything else (as articles before this year when they discussed getting Celine to Israel), hence WHY its so expensive. Celine, the band, the crews, the transporters, the promoter, the local authority who owns the venue... all these people need paid. So either; they get paid with “expensive” ticket prices or they dont get paid and the promoter, celine and everyone loses huge amounts of money and goes into debt... is that what you want?

[mebe]

Her concert reviews are the best they've ever been.

The crowd goes wild every night.

 

What "truth" is her Team supposed to dish out, pray tell?

 

"Boss, we really need to change the setlist. The forum really hates it."

I guess the response from the audience would be the same if only 2-3 new songs were added to the show. I think it would please the majority of people. I have never seen an artist promote an album (and call the tour according to the album) by only singing 2 songs from the album. People who go see a show must expect a few new songs...

 

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