Collaboration with NUNUNU: Célinununu

[Javito]

The difference is that the clothes are the same for both boys and girls and they can later decide on their own what their style is going to be. Rather than forcing girls to wear dresses and boys to wear sports team paraphernalia, they have gender neutral options and then they can later make up their own minds.

 

I very much doubt kids of 9 and 6 years old and even less are concerned the least about what clothes they are wearing on at that age and if they are blue, pink or grey This campaign has a good purpose in mind, but the execution is just wrong and addressing the gender problem in the wrong way. Now it feels as if the parents are forcing these kids to either dress black&white or grey clothes, devoiding all colour from them because all the rest of clothing brands are sexualising and forcing children to dress "pink" or "blue". As if parents couldn't buy a pink t-shirt for their little boy if they wanted, or a blue jumper for their little girl. Seriously??

 

All I feel when seeing the pictures of these poor kids dressing in black and white is that they come from some kind of lifeless world or prison

 

Early years of children must be filled with colour and joy, not devoided of it. Or are we telling now all toy makers to produce all toys in black&white too, so as not to sexualize each toy?? It's absurd

Edited November 24, 2018 at 01:01 PM by Javito

[Brandon]

Could you tell us please how do you know all that? What makes you think she didn't do her research before committing to it?

Why is it so hard for you to believe that it was carefully planned because that's exactly what Celine wanted. In my eyes she knows very well what she's doing.

Love & Light to all of us here ❤️����

it's obvious Celine didn't make a well advised or informed decision, because the facts are the facts and Celine has often spoken of her values and her happy childhood memories and how she wished the same for her kids, none of which are reflected in this clandestine operation/campaign being perpetrated by these two women. Enough for ya?

I very much doubt kids of 9 and 6 years old and even less are concerned the least about what clothes they are wearing on at that age and if they are blue, pink or grey This campaign has a good purpose in mind, but the execution is just wrong and addressing the gender problem in the wrong way. Now it feels as if the parents are forcing these kids to either dress black&white or grey clothes, devoiding all colour from them because all the rest of clothing brands are sexualising and forcing children to dress "pink" or "blue". As if parents couldn't buy a pink t-shirt for their little boy if they wanted, or a blue jumper for their little girl. Seriously??

 

All I feel when seeing the pictures of these poor kids dressing in black and white is that they come from some kind of lifeless world or prison

 

Early years of children must be filled with colour and joy, not devoided of it. Or are we telling now all toy makers to produce all toys in black&white too, so as not to sexualize each toy?? It's absurd

THIS!! ^^^ :clap: Couldn't have said it better myself! Edited November 24, 2018 at 05:02 PM by Brandon

[scielle]

I don't think she expected the visceral negative reaction this got online among some.

 

 

Anyway - tomorrow on 50 Min Inside

 

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Just watched this.

It was more of a piece about the Celine transformation over the past few years - they touched on the end of Vegas, Deadpool, Pepe... a bit of a resume of the past few years, talking about her reinvention and desire to do new things. Even included a bit of RC rapping on the streets of Vegas.

 

They also went to the headquarters of Nununu and spoke with the founders. Again, confirmed that it was Celine who approached them, that she's been a fan of the brand for years, how much she likes what they stand for, spoke to what degrees he's involved with the designs, etc.

 

Hopefully it'll be available online at some point soon.

[Brandon]

I'm glad Céline has done something that is mildly controversial. All her career she's had to do things/make decisions where she pleases the majority and offends as few people as possible. Vanilla. Beige. Bore. It's most certainly the way René wanted things. Who cares if those types of people who actually have the ability to think those things and write them on Celinununu's YouTube video comments now 'no longer will buy her music/see her in concert'? Good riddance weirdos. I don't agree with everything she does, but she can do what she likes and we as fans should be more united in defending her against all these psychos.

you think Celine had to rely on a clothing line to be "controversial" ??

so its ok to be controversial just for the sake of being controversial without even paying attention to the message?

Celine made a bad decision here, she doesn't promote satanism, etc, Celine doesn't fully comprehend what that company is all about.

and there's nothing wrong in being vanilla, or beige , or blue or yellow. And "bore" ??? so you're saying everything Celine has done in her career until this clothing mess was a bore? Wow.

 

she was plenty controversial when she boldly went on television criticizing the Bush government saying "how come they can go half way around the world to drop bombs and kill people in 1 second but cant support their own people right here in America." or when she refused to accept a music award because the Quebec board deemed her as a "English artist" because they felt she betrayed them by singing in English. Those things my friend are Controversial, not a dumb clothing line.

[CSCfan]

Those things my friend are Controversial, not a dumb clothing line.

 

Well apparently it is, looking at all the comments here about the clothing line, let alone all the comments and reactions she got on social media...

Otherwise you have a extremely different meaning of controversial. It doesn't always have to be political..

 

And what Stevo is trying to say is that for Céline (who has always been "clean", who has almost no dirty stories and is very diplomatic most of the times), this is very controversial.

[rhapsodion]

it's obvious Celine didn't make a well advised or informed decision, because the facts are the facts and Celine has often spoken of her values and her happy childhood memories and how she wished the same for her kids, none of which are reflected in this clandestine operation/campaign being perpetrated by these two women. Enough for ya?

THIS!! ^^^ :clap: Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

Saying she did not make a well advised or informed decision is an assumption, not a fact.

[smw]

Celine's been very clear that she gravitated to this brand because of her twin boys. She did not create a children's clothing line to reflect her own or even Rene Charles' childhood. And she's been clear that this is NOT for everybody and she's not telling people how to raise their kids.

 

Because of N & E, Celine realized there was a necessity for an alternative and felt passionate about making a stand.

 

Personally -- I think the company was wanting to be super bold with their mission and make a big statement in these initial designs. They knew it'd be risky and would spark some debate. But they are trying to break down the stereotype of what we think kids should dress in and the founders of the company clearly felt personally stifled by these societal constructs for their entire lives so they're trying to offer people with kids who would gravitate towards these designs an actual alternative.

 

They could've played it much safer with the marketing -- and included smiling children, a bit more color, etc. but it's against the whole mission of breaking down what we THINK our kids want to/should dress in. I respect the boldness.

[Brandon]

Well apparently it is, looking at all the comments here about the clothing line, let alone all the comments and reactions she got on social media...

Otherwise you have a extremely different meaning of controversial. It doesn't always have to be political..

 

And what Stevo is trying to say is that for Céline (who has always been "clean", who has almost no dirty stories and is very diplomatic most of the times), this is very controversial.

Did not say that controvesy has to be political. but relatively speaking those things back then were way more controversial, because to go on TV and criticize governments in times of war took alot of balls, because even the television networks were reporting the controversy and adverse reactions were coming from all demographics... not just teens and millenials on social media There was no Instagram and Twitter in those days to be magnifying the controversy.

Saying she did not make a well advised or informed decision is an assumption, not a fact.

Facts are in the evidence and there is lots.

[Peppercorn1991]

Anyone else getting the advert coming up on Facebook in the middle of videos?

 

Kev x

[ruimarques]

Whatever theories of conspiracy or iluminati you may have and however you may disagree a dislike ... I’m so happy that she has done this step in her life and career... I can’t recall any of the 90’s artist who had done such an impact on the peakedge of their career ... look at Madona ... cosmetics MDNA ?!?! The only think I like about it is the name (quite convenient for the cause)

I love Celine is finally being herself. Tbh I never expected that she could come up with such a idea but it shows how “management” influenced the proper personality of Celine throughout the years.... (nothing about Rene)

[Brandon]

Whatever theories of conspiracy or iluminati you may have and however you may disagree a dislike ... I'm so happy that she has done this step in her life and career... I can't recall any of the 90's artist who had done such an impact on the peakedge of their career ... look at Madona ... cosmetics MDNA ?!?! The only think I like about it is the name (quite convenient for the cause)

I love Celine is finally being herself. Tbh I never expected that she could come up with such a idea but it shows how "management" influenced the proper personality of Celine throughout the years.... (nothing about Rene)

"management" influenced the proper personality of Celine throughout the years.... (nothing about Rene)" Yet Rene WAS her manager .

[CSCfan]

Did not say that controvesy has to be political. but relatively speaking those things back then were way more controversial, because to go on TV and criticize governments in times of war took alot of balls, because even the television networks were reporting the controversy and adverse reactions were coming from all demographics... not just teens and millenials on social media There was no Instagram and Twitter in those days to be magnifying the controversy.

Facts are in the evidence and there is lots.

 

Yes, but we're in the *now* here.

And in the *now* this is controversial, especially for an artist like Céline.

[Javito]

This whole discussion about Nununu and calling this collaboration controversial sounds stupid to me

 

Best is people couldn't care less about Celine sponsoring children clothing, releasing a bags collection, or doing a handstand in Armani, what they want is to hear her pipes and siiiiiing! (hope Celine realises that too )

[stevo]

you think Celine had to rely on a clothing line to be "controversial" ??

so its ok to be controversial just for the sake of being controversial without even paying attention to the message?

Celine made a bad decision here, she doesn't promote satanism, etc, Celine doesn't fully comprehend what that company is all about.

and there's nothing wrong in being vanilla, or beige , or blue or yellow. And "bore" ??? so you're saying everything Celine has done in her career until this clothing mess was a bore? Wow.

 

she was plenty controversial when she boldly went on television criticizing the Bush government saying "how come they can go half way around the world to drop bombs and kill people in 1 second but cant support their own people right here in America." or when she refused to accept a music award because the Quebec board deemed her as a "English artist" because they felt she betrayed them by singing in English. Those things my friend are Controversial, not a dumb clothing line.

 

The two moments you quote are I believe the only two *gasp* moments she’s ever had in her career of 30 years. OMG, she criticised the president. I don’t care that she’s beige. I have bought everything she’s ever released, I have followed her every move for the last 25 years, so you don’t need to attempt to educate me 🙋🏻‍♂️ Every move. I love her. I just don’t think she’s made a mistake here. It’s clothes. It’s not a satanic cult. Those two Nununu women are weird, very weird. And it’s got people talking about Céline. Who cares? Stop worrying about what small minded people think. I think the clothes are overpriced and ugly, the children miserable. But its about money. It’s commercial. We’ll not hear about Celinununununu in a year.

Edited November 24, 2018 at 11:53 PM by stevo

[Squall]

Could be worse. They could have put swastikas on the baby jumpers.

 

With the rise of Nazis in recent years, "New Order" isn't the best thing to put on clothing. Especially for a line attached to Celine.

[gafsa]

I think this discussion going round in circles, and put a bunch emoticon doesn't help.

[Brandon]

Yes, but we're in the *now* here.

And in the *now* this is controversial, especially for an artist like Céline.

we're in the "now" so we forget the past like it didn't occur? riiiight....

This whole discussion about Nununu and calling this collaboration controversial sounds stupid to me

 

Best is people couldn't care less about Celine sponsoring children clothing, releasing a bags collection, or doing a handstand in Armani, what they want is to hear her pipes and siiiiiing! (hope Celine realises that too )

right. its funny she has all this time to be shooting commercials, setting up twitter and instagram accounts for nununu and doing interviews for them, but yet she has zero time when it comes to releasing new material and promoting her music.

[Brandon]

 

With the rise of Nazis in recent years, "New Order" isn't the best thing to put on clothing. Especially for a line attached to Celine.

exactly. the connotation is inevitable. my point remains. Celine fumbled this one.

[CSCfan]

we're in the "now" so we forget the past like it didn't occur? riiiight....

 

No, not forget, only times have changed.

Today even the smallest things can be controversial, while they weren't years ago.

Edited November 25, 2018 at 10:40 AM by CSCfan

[Javito]

we're in the "now" so we forget the past like it didn't occur? riiiight....

right. its funny she has all this time to be shooting commercials, setting up twitter and instagram accounts for nununu and doing interviews for them, but yet she has zero time when it comes to releasing new material and promoting her music.

 

Yes, she has the time to promote it: she has her own concert hall built for her for 15 years where she could have sang the telephone book if she had wanted, she could have promoted one full album of her discography per year and rotate the setlist each 3-4 months with all the new songs of each album she released if she wanted. But yet she totally ignored this chance.

 

It's better to sing TPOL, BYLM, LCMM and MHWGO to exhaustion for 1,300 times and during 15 years.

It's better to release a new album while doing her shows there (TC, 1f&4t, D'elles, SA, LMBTL, EUS) and then totally ignore the new songs so as to keep singing the same 90s program till she herself acknowledges she's sick of singing the same songs...

 

There were never alternatives.

 

There were never other options to vary the songs setlist.

 

There was never much of a will and enthusiasm to rehears new songs and include them in the show...

 

It was what it was. But she had the heck of time to sing each and every song she has recorded in her career if only she had wanted... Now she had a full orchestra at her feet to beautifully arrange the songs and bring to the stage songs of her repertoire she has never sung before... But the comfort zone and convenience of always doing the same thing and go home asap was stronger.

 

#Couldawouldashoulda...

 

Luckily, the short mini tours of 2016 and 2017 were a glimpse of what 15 years of Vegas could have been... and never were. But thank God she did those summer tours that brought a breath of fresh air to her concerts (even for a limited time).

Edited November 25, 2018 at 11:11 AM by Javito

[scielle]

A piece on Celinununu on TVA, including an interview with the Nununu founders - https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2018/11/25/celine-dion-cette-fille-est-en-feu

 

Nothing we haven't really heard before - they say Celine approached them, brought them over to Vegas to work things out, was hands-on involved in the creative process, etc.

 

Oh, and we learn filming that commercial took from 10am to 5am the next morning!

 

"Coup de foudre

Céline Dion est entrée en contact avec Iris et Tali l’an dernier. La chanteuse connaissait le tandem, puisque ses jumeaux, Eddy et Nelson, s’habillaient en nununu depuis des années.

Organisée à Las Vegas, leur première rencontre s’est avérée concluante. «C’était comme un coup de foudre: le courant a tout de suite passé», indique Tali.

Céline Dion s’est impliquée dès le début du processus créatif, souligne la paire. «On a tout fait ensemble, précise Iris. On savait qu’on voulait faire quelque chose de significatif. On voulait créer quelque chose qui allait dépasser la mode.»

 

Infatigable

Les designers décrivent Céline Dion comme quelqu’un d’accessible, drôle et «super, super professionnel». Elles saluent son éthique de travail irréprochable, une qualité particulièrement apparente lors du tournage du mini-métrage promotionnel de Celinununu, dans lequel la diva québécoise subit une arrestation musclée après être entrée par effraction dans une pouponnière.

«Le tournage a duré 20 heures. On a commencé à 10 h, et rendu à 5 h du matin, j’étais fatiguée, j’avais hâte qu’on en finisse, mais Céline continuait d’être hyper animée et concentrée. Tout le monde est tombé amoureux d’elle. Elle est extraordinaire. Cette fille est en feu!»"

Edited November 25, 2018 at 04:17 PM by scielle

[scielle]

Just watched this.

It was more of a piece about the Celine transformation over the past few years - they touched on the end of Vegas, Deadpool, Pepe... a bit of a resume of the past few years, talking about her reinvention and desire to do new things. Even included a bit of RC rapping on the streets of Vegas.

 

They also went to the headquarters of Nununu and spoke with the founders. Again, confirmed that it was Celine who approached them, that she's been a fan of the brand for years, how much she likes what they stand for, spoke to what degrees he's involved with the designs, etc.

 

Hopefully it'll be available online at some point soon.

 

Well, the replay is here: https://www.tf1.fr/tf1/50-mn-inside/videos/50-inside-l-actu-24-novembre-2018.html, but for some reason the Celine segment appears to have been cut out of the online version?

[Javito]

20 hours filming that commercial!?!?!

 

She could record two albums if she spend that much time in the studio!! :w00t:

[mirage]

Lol imagine the videoclips we could have had for her new singles

 

20 hours filming that commercial!?!?!

 

She could record two albums if she spend that much time in the studio!! :w00t:

[scielle]

Here's an interesting article from Vice. I won't quote the full thing, but the full thing is definitely worth a read.

 

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"Yet Céline’s dystopia is one that many, clearly, want to be a part of — the ad has gone viral and been positively received by social media and the LGBTQ community. […]

 

We all are finally aware of Céline Dion’s status as a couture queen on another level. […] Her love of avant-garde fashion went uncelebrated until recently, but it was always there, and similarly, Céline was quietly chipping away at the gender binary long before she launched a viral children’s line. [… ]

Years before actual gay artists could use male pronouns in songs, Céline was on the airwaves in 1991 turning a song about a gay boy into a subversive pop hit. […]

 

In 2008, Céline spoke with a small UK website about the mutual love between her and drag queens: “I’m somebody who has a strong personality and I’m strong in my gestures and I think they like that from me. I do look at what they do.”

 

Her music -- the overwhelming romance of it -- resonated with other artists with queer sensibilities, like filmmaker Xavier Dolan.[…]

Céline told the anchor her mission statement for the new line: “Let people be who they are as quick and soon as possible.” This thesis is arguably the same as the one at the heart of Dolan’s Mommy -- above all else, let people choose who they want to become, because everyone should have the choice of controlling their own future.

 

Céline is well aware of the role fashion can play in discovering your identity. When she melted our social media feeds with all those streetwear looks last year, it wasn’t some veiled attempt at recapturing public interest. Those looks -- the Dior and the Vetements, the Gucci and the Louis -- were what allowed Céline to find herself after losing her husband and brother to cancer within days of each other. Her stylist, Law Roach, said: “[Céline] also credits me, and what we did, to helping her through her grieving process.”

 

Céline understands the influence of fashion and what it should really be about. She doesn’t use clothing as a cynical crutch to “rebrand,” but rather sees it as this undeniable tool for us architect our images at our most fundamental level -- and with CELINUNUNU, she’s now acknowledging that fashion can give us power before we can even walk."

[nuts2you]

http://www.purepeople.com/article/celine-dion-la-blague-macabre-de-laurent-ruquier-sur-rene-angelil_a314330/1?fbclid=IwAR0JOS4dBzi8upTvPOdDN3Ovun5KAqlqyr85nEqmZC6Oh7rllcVQkUAG80c

 

could someone pls bso kind and translate this for us that don't understand French

[Brandon]

 

 

No, not forget, only times have changed.

Today even the smallest things can be controversial, while they weren't years ago.

Exactly that's what I said. It's just because of social media that magnifies this "controversy". You're contradicting yourself sweetie.

[smw]

Here's an interesting article from Vice. I won't quote the full thing, but the full thing is definitely worth a read.

 

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"Yet Céline’s dystopia is one that many, clearly, want to be a part of — the ad has gone viral and been positively received by social media and the LGBTQ community. […]

 

We all are finally aware of Céline Dion’s status as a couture queen on another level. […] Her love of avant-garde fashion went uncelebrated until recently, but it was always there, and similarly, Céline was quietly chipping away at the gender binary long before she launched a viral children’s line. [… ]

Years before actual gay artists could use male pronouns in songs, Céline was on the airwaves in 1991 turning a song about a gay boy into a subversive pop hit. […]

 

In 2008, Céline spoke with a small UK website about the mutual love between her and drag queens: “I’m somebody who has a strong personality and I’m strong in my gestures and I think they like that from me. I do look at what they do.”

 

Her music -- the overwhelming romance of it -- resonated with other artists with queer sensibilities, like filmmaker Xavier Dolan.[…]

Céline told the anchor her mission statement for the new line: “Let people be who they are as quick and soon as possible.” This thesis is arguably the same as the one at the heart of Dolan’s Mommy -- above all else, let people choose who they want to become, because everyone should have the choice of controlling their own future.

 

Céline is well aware of the role fashion can play in discovering your identity. When she melted our social media feeds with all those streetwear looks last year, it wasn’t some veiled attempt at recapturing public interest. Those looks -- the Dior and the Vetements, the Gucci and the Louis -- were what allowed Céline to find herself after losing her husband and brother to cancer within days of each other. Her stylist, Law Roach, said: “[Céline] also credits me, and what we did, to helping her through her grieving process.”

 

Céline understands the influence of fashion and what it should really be about. She doesn’t use clothing as a cynical crutch to “rebrand,” but rather sees it as this undeniable tool for us architect our images at our most fundamental level -- and with CELINUNUNU, she’s now acknowledging that fashion can give us power before we can even walk."

 

Love this.

[Loup_garou]

Here's an interesting article from Vice. I won't quote the full thing, but the full thing is definitely worth a read.

 

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Click here to view the Tweet

 

"Yet Céline’s dystopia is one that many, clearly, want to be a part of — the ad has gone viral and been positively received by social media and the LGBTQ community. […]

 

We all are finally aware of Céline Dion’s status as a couture queen on another level. […] Her love of avant-garde fashion went uncelebrated until recently, but it was always there, and similarly, Céline was quietly chipping away at the gender binary long before she launched a viral children’s line. [… ]

Years before actual gay artists could use male pronouns in songs, Céline was on the airwaves in 1991 turning a song about a gay boy into a subversive pop hit. […]

 

In 2008, Céline spoke with a small UK website about the mutual love between her and drag queens: “I’m somebody who has a strong personality and I’m strong in my gestures and I think they like that from me. I do look at what they do.”

 

Her music -- the overwhelming romance of it -- resonated with other artists with queer sensibilities, like filmmaker Xavier Dolan.[…]

Céline told the anchor her mission statement for the new line: “Let people be who they are as quick and soon as possible.” This thesis is arguably the same as the one at the heart of Dolan’s Mommy -- above all else, let people choose who they want to become, because everyone should have the choice of controlling their own future.

 

Céline is well aware of the role fashion can play in discovering your identity. When she melted our social media feeds with all those streetwear looks last year, it wasn’t some veiled attempt at recapturing public interest. Those looks -- the Dior and the Vetements, the Gucci and the Louis -- were what allowed Céline to find herself after losing her husband and brother to cancer within days of each other. Her stylist, Law Roach, said: “[Céline] also credits me, and what we did, to helping her through her grieving process.”

 

Céline understands the influence of fashion and what it should really be about. She doesn’t use clothing as a cynical crutch to “rebrand,” but rather sees it as this undeniable tool for us architect our images at our most fundamental level -- and with CELINUNUNU, she’s now acknowledging that fashion can give us power before we can even walk."

 

 

LOVE IT!

[CSCfan]

Exactly that's what I said. It's just because of social media that magnifies this "controversy". You're contradicting yourself sweetie.

 

You said this clothing line isn't controversial, sweetie. And I said it is. It's simple as that.