Random news, thoughts and common questions about Celine (closed)

[souriredezora]

@Alex Sodi

Well, we’ll never know what the reality was between them…

All I can tell (from all the books and interviews) is that Celine was totally obsessed with Rene.

Whether he loved her as much as she loved him or not, it’s not for me to judge. I am glad Rene married Celine, otherwise I can’t even imagine how devastated she would have been if this was her unrequited love.

Nobody’s perfect.

[souriredezora]

Also someone was asking here what RC studied in college.

His IG page says entrepreneur. So probably business?.... I don’t know if that information is old.

[souriredezora]

On the topic of education, I have to legit laugh that a few people truly have celebrity fan rose-tinted glasses on when they practically argue that a grade school level education is more than sufficient (and questions the value of a HS education lol)—it is not ideal for anyone, let alone someone being groomed for global superstardom. Saying Réne did a disservice or any other criticism of how he handled some things doesn't mean I think he is the devil or that he was utter trash (one can absolutely respect what he's done AND still quibble on some aspects) so the bizarre proclamation that one is, uh, "Team Réne" is comical and juvenile... (congrats? Lol). It's because I appreciate Réne's abilitites and obvious intellect that's why this issue is one of the few contentious ones I find worthy to be critical of. I have already mentioned a handful ways it could have impacted/seems to have impacted Céline, it is unnecessary to repeat what I've already posted.

 

Mariah Carey finished. Whitney finished, her mother Cissy insisted despite offers left and right.

 

Even young affluent Taylor Swift did... and speaking of Swift, the level of encouragement her early handlers (parents, in this case) to understand her career and business beyond just focusing on the performance is commendable. Swift already had a pretty strong grasp of it in her 20s. To put it bluntly, had Swift's parents died back then, career-wise, Swift would have undoubtedly transitioned taking reins seamlessly. Had Réne passed away, say, the time around WDYHBN or BATB, despite her almost veteran level success in French territories, I doubt she could have piloted her career as seamlessly and to where she is now. This is not an insult nor an attack on her intellect (I've already said earlier I find her smart), but a note on the level of disadvantageous compartmentalization and sheltering done on her.

 

This could also explain her personal disinterest in the business/commercial side (not releasing certain materials, exploring/tapping other avenues of $$ like Rihanna, Grande; her bag/perfume lines that disappeared, reliance on old teams, etc) that fans on this board complain about, the management wobbles post Réne's passing, and to me (and I could be very wrong) it feels like their family's varied personal investments (real estate, mirage, the bar, etc) was more a Réne thing than hers... I'd like to chalk it up to "well, she's simply not a capitalist" (and that's very okay) but everything taken together...

 

Well, we can agree to disagree, the above is only my opinion and I know we are all just observers looking into fragments of Céline's world. The matter is moot as of 2023. All that's of any relevance now is our wish she recovers and be able to enjoy the fruits of her labor of several decades.

 

Sometimes I wish I didn't come across that Quebec poster's comment. True or not, it's messing with my emotions ever since.

 

 

yeah , education is one thing.

 

I’ve been watching a lot of Celine’s documentaries lately and re-reading one of her biographies. And now in retrospect I notice how much work she has been always doing. I mean, the amount of stress and pressure and constant work (physical and mental) is just incredible…. And part of it is Rene’s management to keep going, to always stay on top, to be the best, etc.

She could have stopped many years ago, and probably just work on a less intense scale. She won tons of awards, earned enough money. I just can’t help thinking that all this relentless rhythm contributed to SPS… (although SPS is genetic and has nothing to do with the environment; I mean look at Elton John - he’s 73 and still working like crazy, and he’s fine).

Anyway, I am just extremely sad what happened to Celine… and can’t help looking for “clues” of what could have caused her this disease.

I am also worried that she is 55 (all that number 5 symbolism…)

 

Anyway, I will probably get a ban after this post or warning. Sorry if I made someone upset by it.

[tshlw]

Cause, thing is, he might’ve been a good manager, but he was also a controlling husband (abusive, IMO) that limited Celine in several ways. It is, IMO, one of the reasons why Celine has such a conservative image that blocked her to create connection with newer generations.

 

You have every right to your opinion but I couldn’t disagree more about Rene being a controlling (abusive) husband. I have watched and read so many interviews from Celine and Rene and in no way do I ever ever feel he was that way or as controlling as many want to believe. Yes he was more conservative but so was her mother. The way she grew up I believe contributed to her being more conservative as well. Wanting to be married and a mother contributed a lot to her being less accessible to newer generations. And her discipline she placed on herself to protect her voice. That was all Celine not Rene. How many of the younger generation were interested in the Miracle project and talking so much about being a mother and wife.

 

Also if you are to believe Vito he was the one that picked most of her songs so was it really Vito then that caused her to be less connected to the younger generation in terms of music. This is just pointing out there are many things that contributed to her being less accessible and none of those things are him being controlling (abusive).

 

 

the fact that she doesn’t control her business, or seems to be interested in expanding, like other female singers do. Well, again, this is, in my opinion, Rene’s fault. Those young female artists, most of the time, have no control over their business. But, with time, they become really valuable to the market and begin to demand more control, fight the men, and they learn how to do it, and they start doing things on their own.

 

In the early years he decided most of what was going on creatively and business-wise but that was due to her age. As Celine got older she took more and more control of the creative aspect and for me when she said all I have to do is sing, it did not mean just show up and sing. In the French interviews both did it was said she was more involved creatively as the years went by and later even the one mainly in charge of that aspect. This I think is due to French interviews being longer and so had more time to get into details compared to what English interviews allowed. She never needed to “fight” him in my mind as he was not at all like the rest of these men. In the book ‘My Story, My Dream’ she talks about not liking the arrangement for Falling Into You and when she mentioned it to Rene he agreed and encouraged her and she got with the producers and they did re-record it. Also he was always encouraging her to write her own songs.

 

Celine not being interested in the business side or learning it is not because of Rene being controlling in my eyes. Yes he probably could have pushed her more to be more involved, but I do not believe she had interest in that side at all. She has said many times she likes to focus on one thing at a time, for me that was the creative side and later on being a mother. When she became a mother she said many times no business talk at home and wanted to spend all her free time with her son. I truly believe if they had not had the deal for ‘A New Day’ that would have cost so much to break the contract on, she would have stopped all singing projects for a few years to be a mom.

 

Her need to please and be agreeable is where her not pushing as much for things comes into play, I believe. I am sure that came mainly from being the 14^th child and the “accident. Yes having Rene be her manager from 12 years old did as well. I see this and her lack of self-confidence because she dd not finish her studies the main reason it took her longer to push for more control in the early years not him being controlling (abusive).

 

I am just rewatching an interview where she believes everyone has their job and she trusts those she works with. She does her job the best she can and knows those around her do the same. Which very much goes with her wanting to do one thing at a time.

 

Here is the link to the interview:

 

 

 

Wow I just can’t even with this statement:

Rene took away all chance Celine have to be her own woman. Her education was just part of it.

 

He was not perfect but then no one is but to even remotely think this is unfathomable to me.

 

An issue I do have with Rene, is in his wanting to make her a huge international star he did go overboard in how many interviews and shows he booked and thus she was over worked at times. Also I believe his gambling during the later years of their first stint in Vegas caused issues, which they worked out.

 

For me Celine is a caring, genuine, intelligent, and very self-aware person who never would have stayed married to someone who was as controlling (abusive) as you have suggested Rene was, based on your comments.

 

I will take my page from Celine, where she says he gave her so much knowledge over the years and that they were 50/50.

[nuts2you]

Not sure if everyone saw that Madonna has the new world Record on saleing over 400 million Records How many has Celine sold over time total,According to data updated to September 15, 2023 from Guinness World Records, Madonna has reached 400MILION sales of her albums and singles in 41 years of her career, thus maintaining the first position among female artists. Edited October 24, 2023 at 09:14 PM by nuts2you

[tshlw]

Not sure if everyone saw that Madonna has the new world Record on saleing over 400 million Records How many has Celine sold over time total,According to data updated to September 15, 2023 from Guinness World Records, Madonna has reached 400MILION sales of her albums and singles in 41 years of her career, thus maintaining the first position among female artists.

 

Finding it hard to get precise numbers but this site has her at #3 other sies say she has only old 200 million.

 

https://www.musicgrotto.com/best-selling-female-artists/

[Davey84]

Finding it hard to get precise numbers but this site has her at #3 other sies say she has only old 200 million.

 

https://www.musicgro...female-artists/

 

I would take that list with the biggest grain of salt! Rihanna at 3 with estimated Sales of 250 Million?? HOW? Her two biggest albums Good Girl Gone Bad (9 million) and Loud (8 million) combined doesn't even come close to the sales of Falling Into You (32 million) or Let's Talk About Love (31 million).

 

These lists and 'records' are never based on true numbers, usually only estimates and usually a combination of albums, singles, video's etc. etc.

[george_matei]

Guys, this is so random. I saw the news today on my national tv post

 

I'll put a link from BBC here

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67205192

[tshlw]

I would take that list with the biggest grain of salt! Rihanna at 3 with estimated Sales of 250 Million?? HOW? Her two biggest albums Good Girl Gone Bad (9 million) and Loud (8 million) combined doesn't even come close to the sales of Falling Into You (32 million) or Let's Talk About Love (31 million).

 

These lists and 'records' are never based on true numbers, usually only estimates and usually a combination of albums, singles, video's etc. etc.

 

Yeah why every list I went to was different. I find it hard to understand how in 2008 Celine was the biggest selling female artist of all time with over 200 million albums sold and now Madonna is with 400 million in totals sales. That means 2008 Madonna had to be below Celine, so than in 15 years Madonna sold close to 200 million albums when albums no longer sold at the same volume they did in the 80s and 90s. I find that hard to believe.

[comingback]

. Edited October 25, 2023 at 03:34 PM by comingback

[anewdayhascome]

Is it only me or the forum continues to have some technical issues? It logs me out all the time and there are times I cannot log in...

[tshlw]

Is it only me or the forum continues to have some technical issues? It logs me out all the time and there are times I cannot log in...

 

Yes it has to do with the site not having an SSL certificate. They are looking into getting one. I have found using Microsoft Edge works as Chrome as gotten very finicky with sites and their SSL certs. It was also suggested to try allowing third party cookies in Chrome or Incognito mode in Chrome.

[mebe]

I thought this one was funny! Lol

Sound battles in New Zealand where people use Celine's songs...

 

https://www.lapresse.ca/arts/musique/2023-10-25/nouvelle-zelande/des-chansons-de-celine-dion-qui-derangent.php

 

Envoyé de mon SM-A526W en utilisant Tapatalk

 

 

[anewdionhascome]

Not sure if everyone saw that Madonna has the new world Record on saleing over 400 million Records How many has Celine sold over time total,According to data updated to September 15, 2023 from Guinness World Records, Madonna has reached 400MILION sales of her albums and singles in 41 years of her career, thus maintaining the first position among female artists.

 

Sony Music claimed Céline Dion has already sold 250 million records worldwide as of 2018-2019ish. Its quite interesting how Céline Dion isn't even listed in the top 5 which would mean Taylor Swift and Beyonce outsold her. That sound fishy lol. Hope Céline's label atleast update her certifications in her key markets: US, Canada, France, UK etc.

[PuraVida]

Sony Music claimed Céline Dion has already sold 250 million records worldwide as of 2018-2019ish. Its quite interesting how Céline Dion isn't even listed in the top 5 which would mean Taylor Swift and Beyonce outsold her. That sound fishy lol. Hope Céline's label atleast update her certifications in her key markets: US, Canada, France, UK etc.

 

I agree, a full update is long overdue. And I expect she has sold more in China, Russia, and African nations than we will ever get accurate counts for.

Edited October 28, 2023 at 02:53 AM by PuraVida

[anewdionhascome]

 

 

I agree, a full update is long overdue. And I expect she has sold more in China, Russia, and African nations than we will ever get accurate counts for.

 

She's also heavily undercertified in Canada. The Colour of My Love is turning 30, I hope they atleast update its certifications or like a vinyl reissue. They're really missing the opportunity to do these anniversary things while Celine is away.

[ryba]

The Polish TV channel TVN is showing Aline tonight! Just in case some of you receive that channel and are interested:)

[rfkavanagh]

Just came across this and thought it was funny - one of the entries in The Netherlands' 2001 national pre-Eurovision qualifying contest (Nationaal Songfestival) was sung by an act called Céline & René! They came 6th out of eight and obviously didn't move on to the Eurovision.

 

It's... not great...

 

 

 

[AdrienneM]

Apparently Celine was at the Las Vegas Golden Knights vs Montreal Canadiens match in Vegas last night. My French isn’t as good as it used to be but I believe he does mention this was the first time he met Celine (as in that night). Glad she seems to be out and able to do things. https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/10/31/depuis-que-jai-pris-la-job-cest-le-meilleur-match-quon-a-joue---martin-st-louis

[No1IrishFan]

Apparently Celine was at the Las Vegas Golden Knights vs Montreal Canadiens match in Vegas last night. My French isn’t as good as it used to be but I believe he does mention this was the first time he met Celine (as in that night). Glad she seems to be out and able to do things. https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/10/31/depuis-que-jai-pris-la-job-cest-le-meilleur-match-quon-a-joue---martin-st-louis

 

I wonder how often she leaves the house in general. If she did attend the match last night, we only know about it because this guy mentioned it in an interview. Gets me wondering does she attend other things and we just don’t know or was this was the first outing in a long time.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I wonder how often she leaves the house in general. If she did attend the match last night, we only know about it because this guy mentioned it in an interview. Gets me wondering does she attend other things and we just don’t know or was this was the first outing in a long time.

 

I’m guessing, if this isn’t her first time going to an event In a good while, that she sits in private celeb boxes to avoid any sightings or pics being taken. It’s the only way I could guess why (so far) no pics of her at the game last night have come out.

[Nmj]

 

 

I’m guessing, if this isn’t her first time going to an event In a good while, that she sits in private celeb boxes to avoid any sightings or pics being taken. It’s the only way I could guess why (so far) no pics of her at the game last night have come out.

 

I think over the last 20 years Celine has become a staple in Las Vegas and people respect her privacy. There’s always bad apples but I think she’s protected well. I’m sure she slid in a side door, through private hallways etc. sat in a private box, probably even wore a ball cap just in case. I’m glad she’s getting out and about if this is true hopefully a good sign!

[comingback]

Glad to hear, that she was at that game yesterday. The last photo was from the recording studio early this year right? Edited October 31, 2023 at 01:48 PM by comingback

[AdrienneM]

Pictures have been released. She looks absolutely gorgeous!!

[Nmj]

Pictures have been released. She looks absolutely gorgeous!!

 

Wow she looks amazing especially all things considered. She looks well, though looks can obviously be deceiving. This is why she would release more updates and photos so people don’t run wild with crazy death bed rumors.

[No1IrishFan]

Wow. She looks amazing. It’s done my heart so much good to see her. Doesn’t look to be any bloating around her face either, maybe the treatment is going well?

[AdrienneM]

My first thought was that she’s definitely gained weight but she doesn’t look swollen or bloated as if she’s maxed out on steroids. She looks radiant and happy- similar to how she did back in early-mid 2017 when she put a bit of weight on then too. As someone said on twitter, this could have also been her testing to see how she would react to large amounts of noise and public spaces. Whatever the case may be, the fact that she looks happy and is out and enjoying stuff with her kids makes me very very happy.

[comingback]

Thanks! She looks amazing.

[Nmj]

My first thought was that she’s definitely gained weight but she doesn’t look swollen or bloated as if she’s maxed out on steroids. She looks radiant and happy- similar to how she did back in early-mid 2017 when she put a bit of weight on then too. As someone said on twitter, this could have also been her testing to see how she would react to large amounts of noise and public spaces. Whatever the case may be, the fact that she looks happy and is out and enjoying stuff with her kids makes me very very happy.

 

I think she looks great, even years younger in the face… but I definitely see her swollen a bit, could also be weight gain making her face fuller, so I hope that’s what it is. But for what we know about SPS seeing her out and about in this kind of environment is very promising that she’s attempting it. She was taking photos ( probably camera flashes involved) which could trigger a spasm, also loud noise, music and people cheering at a sporting event can also trigger it… so I hope that her actual experience was positive and didn’t trigger anything for her, and she looks radiant so I doubt and pray it didn’t.

[Gicedi]

NEW PICS!!!!

 

https://www.instagra...QuVJMgQ3/?hl=el

Edited October 31, 2023 at 03:57 PM by Gicedi