Random news, thoughts and common questions about Celine (closed)

[Davey84]

Has anyone seen this?

 

So many videos with a lot of views are saying that Céline Dion was "groomed" by her husband, and that she didn't need him to be a successful singer. Celine giving him the sun and moon was cringe. Do you all also think so?

 

 

CLICK BAIT, SPAM and not worth your time!!

[rfkavanagh]

While those videos are of course clickbait, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the underlying question. There are many, MANY questions that could be asked about Céline's childhood experiences with René, and you could certainly make an argument for a lot of grooming or grooming-adjacent behavior taking place - even as it may not have been viewed as such at the time.

 

For the record, I'm not saying that's what happened, and none of us will ever know. But I certainly don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility (and the whole "first kiss after Eurovision '88" PR talking point has always set me on edge for how contrived it is). Regardless, their longevity does point to a deep bond rather than an obsession with a young girl, but the circumstances of the origination of that bond is a question.

[Crazy for Celine]

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Has anyone seen this?

 

https://youtu.be/DVj4ng2h7YI

 

 

So many videos with a lot of views are saying that Céline Dion was "groomed" by her husband, and that she didn't need him to be a successful singer. Celine giving him the sun and moon was cringe. Do you all also think so?

 

https://youtu.be/WCZpA_69a-s

 

https://youtu.be/YZMNwBDkkJ0

 

This kind of video is best to be left ignored. Funny someone said Celine didn’t need Rene to be a successful singer while Rene played a huge part in her career. I don’t understand them.

Edited July 3, 2023 at 04:07 PM by Crazy for Celine

[RosieBarron]

Has anyone seen this?

 

 

 

 

 

So many videos with a lot of views are saying that Céline Dion was "groomed" by her husband, and that she didn't need him to be a successful singer. Celine giving him the sun and moon was cringe. Do you all also think so?

 

 

 

Why are you posting this rubbish here? To believe this nonsense is to disregard Celine's whole story and her personality. She wasn't your average 12 year old and was old beyond her years. She is a strong woman who knew and knows her own mind. Not to mention that her mum was around her when she was a teenager.

[comingback]

While those videos are of course clickbait, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the underlying question. There are many, MANY questions that could be asked about Céline's childhood experiences with René, and you could certainly make an argument for a lot of grooming or grooming-adjacent behavior taking place - even as it may not have been viewed as such at the time.

 

For the record, I'm not saying that's what happened, and none of us will ever know. But I certainly don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility (and the whole "first kiss after Eurovision '88" PR talking point has always set me on edge for how contrived it is). Regardless, their longevity does point to a deep bond rather than an obsession with a young girl, but the circumstances of the origination of that bond is a question.

 

We discussed that in tbe Aline film topic. Yes, I also think there are questions about their relationship. In an interview in 2003 (the Making of the IDAN video), she said that he raised her and that she trusts him...

I think Rene was a Father Figure for her and Rene was a great mentor ... I really hope everything was legal.

Edited July 3, 2023 at 05:01 PM by comingback

[Ukrfan]

I watched these videos before. Well, to be honest, there are many questions. Did you know the "I mortgaged my house to finance her first album" narrative is a lie? Many independent sources claimed it was not true. But then why even make up such a story?

[CourageProject]

 

 

Why are you posting this rubbish here? To believe this nonsense is to disregard Celine's whole story and her personality. She wasn't your average 12 year old and was old beyond her years. She is a strong woman who knew and knows her own mind. Not to mention that her mum was around her when she was a teenager.

Because whether these videos are anywhere true, I don't care. But it does raise a question. What was their relationship like outside the camera and spotlight?

[Davey84]

I watched these videos before. Well, to be honest, there are many questions. Did you know the "I mortgaged my house to finance her first album" narrative is a lie? Many independent sources claimed it was not true. But then why even make up such a story?

How is that narrative a lie?

 

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[rfkavanagh]

Why are you posting this rubbish here? To believe this nonsense is to disregard Celine's whole story and her personality. She wasn't your average 12 year old and was old beyond her years. She is a strong woman who knew and knows her own mind. Not to mention that her mum was around her when she was a teenager.

 

I know you don't mean anything bad here, but the whole "she wasn't your average 12 year old and was old beyond her years" is exactly the kind of horrific justification that's been used by predators, groomers, and pedophiles forever. A twelve-year-old is still a twelve-year-old, no matter how precocious or mature they may seem.

[Állex Sodi]

Well, is obvious, isn’t?

No adult person should ever feel sexually attracted to someone they watched grow. It’s disgusting. More than that, someone to whom they were a father figure, the man who hold her dreams in his hand. The power imbalance in there alone is enough to be considered an abusive relationship.

 

Do you all really think he never look to her in a sexual way until she turned 18, when he suddenly thought “oh, she is a woman, right”? Please! This is grooming textbook. It baffles me how people normalized this.

 

[incognito]

Well, is obvious, isn’t?

No adult person should ever feel sexually attracted to someone they watched grow. It’s disgusting. More than that, someone to whom they were a father figure, the man who hold her dreams in his hand. The power imbalance in there alone is enough to be considered an abusive relationship.

 

Do you all really think he never look to her in a sexual way until she turned 18, when he suddenly thought “oh, she is a woman, right”? Please! This is grooming textbook. It baffles me how people normalized this.

 

And the Eurovision story was all too convenient. A well publicized event where anyone could quickly research the date. Never believed it.

 

The not your average 12-year-old stories are what some GOPers use to justify that child marriage is still legal in some states of the US.

Edited July 3, 2023 at 11:09 PM by incognito

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

CLICK BAIT, SPAM and not worth your time!!

 

Did you watch them? Cause I've seen two of them, the first is not so great but no click bait. The second one is very well researched, serious in tone, & not clickbait.

 

I've never been a "fan" of Rene and while he may have done a lot of good for her career there's a lot that I've always felt off.

I'll just say that he better have never gotten physical with her the way he did with his second wife.

Edited July 4, 2023 at 12:14 AM by maki_Dion-er

[maki_Dion-er]

How is that narrative a lie?

 

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Because he tried to do it but they wouldn't let him since he had already mortgaged it prior (not for Celine). The truth is he got the money from a producer friend (the man was asked and said it was true).

Edited July 4, 2023 at 12:29 AM by maki_Dion-er

[Zofia]

How is that narrative a lie?

 

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The one who explains it in detail and with good documentation is Jean Beaunoyer in his biography of Céline; I don't have that book to hand, so I'm quoting two passages from his biography of René (better as a book; J. Beaulne, J. Beaunoyer, Et Angelil Créa Celine, Edipresse 2002):

 

"Avec l'appui de Marnay, René Angélil pense n'éprouver aucune difficulté à trouver 50000$, la somme qu'il estime nécessaire pour financer le premier album de Céline. On racontait qu'il avait hypothéqué sa maison pour obtenir ce montant et il a laissé la légende grandir. J'ai déjà expliqué avec force détails dans un autre ouvrage consacré à Céline Dion (Céline Dion, une femme au destin exceptionnel) qu'il ne pouvait en être ainsi, puisque sa maison était déjà lourdement hypothéquée. Pis encore, la banque estime qu'il est insolvable et qu'il ne peut obtenir l'argent dont il a un urgent besoin. L'homme est profondément ulcéré par cette situation, d'autant plus que ses créanciers s'impatientent. Pour la première fois de sa vie, il songe à déclarer faillite, ce qui pourrait le libérer."

 

«Il est vrai que René Angélil vivait une période difficile sur le plan financier, raconte Denys Bergeron. Il n'a pas hypothéqué sa maison puisque c'est moi qui lui ai fourni l'argent pour produire l'album de Céline. Il n'avait aucune entreprise à son nom et il était si démuni qu'il a fallu que je lui paye une paire de jeans quand il est allé en France avec Céline. Mais j'ai cru à son projet, d'abord parce qu'il est un génie du marketing, et puis il avait un as dans sa manche : Eddy Marnay. »

 

In general, it seems obvious that the story behind the official legend must be more complex and probably darker in places. It would be nice to tell it once in a way that is both insightful and honest, without preconceived judgments and without hurting Céline's feelings. It won't be easy to reconcile the two...

[Shaun]

I watched these videos before. Well, to be honest, there are many questions. Did you know the "I mortgaged my house to finance her first album" narrative is a lie? Many independent sources claimed it was not true. But then why even make up such a story?

 

Newsflash, it’s show business. Not everything is as it seems!

 

If there’s a way to make a story sexier or more interesting that’s what they do in show business. Like the “I only recorded My Heart Will Go On” once story. Not true clearly but to the general public and media it’s a fabulous sounding story that “she hated the song and only ever recorded it once” so they’ve kept it going all these years. It’s the same principle with the “I mortgaged my house to make her first album” story.

 

Frankly cannot believe what I’m reading in this thread regards René.

[Dancing_Queen]

I've thought about this a lot and I certainly have opinions about it. But truth be told, it doesn't really matter anymore. He's gone. If the public starts labeling him a groomer, Céline and her kids are the ones who will suffer as a result. On top of everything else she's currently dealing with, I don't want her to think too deeply about how/if the love of her life/father of her children took advantage of her at the start of their relationship.

 

The Eurovision-story is bollocks though, I'm 99% sure of it. The story itself feels true enough, but the timing/setting was probably different.

[maki_Dion-er]

Learning that Rene tried to make his band into the French Canadien Beatles when the Beatles became very popular has me wondering if all the complaints from some fans of Celine trying to sound like Adel, Sia, and the bedroom voice weren't actually all guidance from him. Have her follow what other artists are making popular to make her more appealing to the English market where she was starting to dwindle.

 

Imo the Courage album was much more herself than Loved Me Back To Life (even though I like that album).

[maki_Dion-er]

I've thought about this a lot and I certainly have opinions about it. But truth be told, it doesn't really matter anymore. He's gone. If the public starts labeling him a groomer, Céline and her kids are the ones who will suffer as a result. On top of everything else she's currently dealing with, I don't want her to think too deeply about how/if the love of her life/father of her children took advantage of her at the start of their relationship.

 

The Eurovision-story is bollocks though, I'm 99% sure of it. The story itself feels true enough, but the timing/setting was probably different.

 

I don't think this is new. She's been asked a lot about it in the past (in her bio she even admited there's truths to what people think). And imo, there's no doubt she must have moments where she reflects but regardless she still loved/s him.

I don't think these youtube videos are enough to get to her. And mainstream media now won't even want to touch the subject unless something somehow goes viral.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I don't think this is new. She's been asked a lot about it in the past (in her bio she even admited there's truths to what people think). And imo, there's no doubt she must have moments where she reflects but regardless she still loved/s him.

I don't think these youtube videos are enough to get to her. And mainstream media now won't even want to touch the subject unless something somehow goes viral.

 

Which biography does she allude to any of those things being true?

 

I mean, I definitely think there was some weirdness in their relationship. However, Celine does come off as a very independent and sincere thinker, who very much believes in her convictions. I would say that these aren’t exactly traits in someone who has been sexually groomed. People who have been brainwashed in such a way don’t tend to come off as so strong, free thinking and open with their lives.

 

But, I’m not a psychologist so I can’t really say with certainty. This is just a personal observation.

[RosieBarron]

 

 

Which biography does she allude to any of those things being true?

 

I mean, I definitely think there was some weirdness in their relationship. However, Celine does come off as a very independent and sincere thinker, who very much believes in her convictions. I would say that these aren’t exactly traits in someone who has been sexually groomed. People who have been brainwashed in such a way don’t tend to come off as so strong, free thinking and open with their lives.

 

But, I’m not a psychologist so I can’t really say with certainty. This is just a personal observation.

 

Thank you, that was essentially what I was trying to say but better put. She certainly doesn't come across as a victim or somebody mistreated or abused or as regretting her marriage in any way. Far from it.

[Zofia]

She certainly doesn't come across as a victim or somebody mistreated or abused or as regretting her marriage in any way. Far from it.

 

I apologize in advance for my poor English on such a complex subject. But... no, it doesn't work like that. In general, "having been abused" is not the same as "behaving like someone who has been abused" (according to the collective imagination) or even "feeling abused" (sic!). To be clear: no, I'm not suggesting that there was any abuse (physical, psychological) on René's part; too little is known. The implication is that it can neither be asserted nor denied. On the other hand, what is undoubtedly damaging is the normalization and even romanticization of this story of a gentleman 26 years older than the 12-year-old girl to whom he is very close and whom he ends up marrying. Both were well aware of the controversy their story could generate; Céline never missed an opportunity to point out that "she was the one who seduced him" at the right age. In the end, we'll probably never know if there was "abuse", but from her own words, the facts and the testimonies of others, we can cautiously assume that she developed a fairly deep-seated dependency - often (but not always) the consequence of too close a union, at least psychologically, experienced in childhood or adolescence.

 

 

Learning that Rene tried to make his band into the French Canadien Beatles when the Beatles became very popular has me wondering if all the complaints from some fans of Celine trying to sound like Adel, Sia, and the bedroom voice weren't actually all guidance from him. Have her follow what other artists are making popular to make her more appealing to the English market where she was starting to dwindle.

 

Imo the Courage album was much more herself than Loved Me Back To Life (even though I like that album).

 

I agree. René was known for his greatest dream: "to break the bank" (I'd like to add: "and not create it" - but that may be too mean). He was very focused on success, and after two failed attempts (with René Simard and Ginette Reno), he finally found his follower, his athlete and his gold mine: Céline. There's no doubt that, at some point, he ensured Céline's immense worldwide success, achieved at a frantic pace and at the price of hard work. But did he allow her to mature as an artist, did he give her the time she needed to reach artistic maturity? I know I'm bordering on sacrilege here, but everything I personally love about her is "in spite of" and not "thanks to" René. That's why my sadness today - for an even better artist than Céline could have become if illness hadn't prevented it - is immense.

[CourageProject]

Rene's kept her busy. The vegas contract was a bad decision even though it gave Céline millions. It played a number on Céline's health, could even be the cause of what she's suffering now(again I'm no doctor). But the shows, then tour, album and repeat is not a small thing. Even if the albums were released 3-6 years after the previous, the songs were recorded who knows when, and who knows in how many takes. Céline says she is the boss now, I couldn't help but see that the decisions she take, and the way they were trying to approach Courage is similar to Rene's tactics. And the fact that she still doesn't release the music videos of songs they said they recorded, because of a minor controversy that DOESN'T even matter.

 

 

 

 

Again I'm not versed with Celine and Rene's relationship like they themselves are. Céline knows better what happened. But there might be things that even she didn't notice and did unwittingly

Edited July 5, 2023 at 11:58 AM by CourageProject

[Zofia]

Claudette Dion, guest on Jean-Philippe Wauthier's "Bonsoir bonsoir", is supposed to "give news about Céline". She says :

 

"I know she's working hard. We're all keeping our fingers crossed. I'm glad that people are worried, that people are asking. She's working hard. We're confident we'll make it. You can't have a story like that. I called her and said: Heaven made a mistake, Céline. She said: Stop, you're going to make me cry. Do you know what? You turned 55 this year, your lucky number is 5, 55 is twice 5... Check ben le retour! " (« Check good come-back »)

 

If anyone can stand it, here you'll find the video with the full interview: https://vedettequebec.com/2023/07/05/claudette-dion-sort-et-donne-des-nouvelles-sur-letat-de-sante-de-celine-dion/

[CourageProject]

What does, "you can't have a STORY like that" even means? Is that a reference with

Céline's health, cuz it sounds insensitive

[Shaun]

She’s meaning Céline’s story, or her career, just can’t end this way.

[CourageProject]

Oh okay thanks

[CourageProject]

Oh okay thanks

[Zofia]

“ Ça ne se peut pas, une histoire comme cela”: “A story like that can't be true” = “what happened to Céline can't be true”

[PuraVida]

So...Celine was groomed and she stayed married to her "groomer" for 20+ years, had kids with him, and hasn't publicly dated since he passed away?

 

In what universe does that ever happen? For this narrative to work, those who believe it must assert that Celine is not only a victim, but was effectively brainwashed and psycho-emotionally stunted leading into and throughout her adulthood -- leading up to the present day.

 

I don't buy it at all. Remember: Celine's family initiated the professional relationship with Rene, not the other way around. It started as business, not some creeper selecting a victim and looking to exploit a child.

Edited July 6, 2023 at 07:21 AM by PuraVida

[ryba]

Seeing Celine and Rene in interviews and documentaries I always had the impression that there was sincere chemistry between them, especially around 1999 and in the early 2000s. They were both happy and glowing. I don’t think that you can fake such emotions. Celine really seemed fulfilled as a woman.